00:00:00 --- log: started forth/03.12.20 00:04:02 --- join: Robert_ (~snofs@c-305a71d5.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 00:04:02 --- quit: Robert (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 02:41:24 --- join: Robert (~snofs@c-305a71d5.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 02:41:28 --- quit: Robert_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:30:43 --- quit: warp0x00 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:34:30 --- join: warp0x00 (~warpzero@dsl.142.mt.onewest.net) joined #forth 04:11:17 --- join: aktnot (ident@233.80-202-65.nextgentel.com) joined #forth 04:25:03 --- quit: warp0x00 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:25:27 --- join: warp0x00 (~warpzero@dsl.142.mt.onewest.net) joined #forth 04:33:21 --- join: snowrichard (~richard@adsl-068-209-159-248.sip.shv.bellsouth.net) joined #forth 04:33:48 hello 04:34:09 brb 04:37:02 hello 04:44:01 hi 04:44:07 was in other channel 04:45:39 oooh hooo witchy woman see how high she flies.... 04:45:48 classic rock station 04:46:42 moo 04:50:29 --- quit: snowrichard ("Leaving") 05:12:14 --- join: schihei (~schihei@pD9548B90.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 05:47:27 --- quit: warp0x00 (Excess Flood) 05:48:10 --- join: warp0x00 (~warpzero@dsl.142.mt.onewest.net) joined #forth 05:53:17 --- quit: schihei (Client Quit) 06:13:53 OrngeTide: ping? 06:25:19 --- join: schihei (~schihei@pD9548B90.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 06:28:01 --- quit: aktnot ("leaving") 06:32:27 --- join: aktnot (ident@233.80-202-65.nextgentel.com) joined #forth 06:34:56 --- quit: schihei (Client Quit) 08:14:01 y9 10:00:37 --- quit: fridge ("Client exiting") 10:12:05 --- join: schihei (~schihei@pD9E5CA03.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 10:17:46 --- join: fridge (~fridge@dsl-203-33-164-75.NSW.netspace.net.au) joined #forth 10:21:50 warp0x00: pong. 10:29:38 --- join: Robert__ (~snofs@c-305a71d5.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 10:29:39 --- quit: Robert (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:31:49 --- join: aktnot_ (ident@233.80-202-65.nextgentel.com) joined #forth 10:34:31 --- nick: Robert__ -> Robert 10:34:31 --- quit: Robert (Remote closed the connection) 10:34:38 --- join: Robert (~snofs@c-305a71d5.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 10:35:41 --- quit: aktnot (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 10:44:04 --- join: Speuler (~User@node-d-9180.a2000.nl) joined #forth 10:44:29 'morning 10:46:58 --- quit: Robert (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 10:47:36 --- join: rO| (rO_@pD9E0A474.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 10:48:00 --- join: Robert (~snofs@c-305a71d5.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 10:50:54 --- join: tathi (~josh@pcp02123722pcs.milfrd01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 11:21:25 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 11:21:37 --- quit: rO| (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:22:31 --- join: rO| (rO_@pD9E0A474.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 11:31:26 bongo! 11:31:27 lol 11:31:35 didnt see ya sneek in there :P 11:31:35 --- quit: schihei (Client Quit) 11:32:12 hi mark ! 11:32:18 good 11:32:23 i like obscurity 11:32:34 Hi Speuler 11:32:46 hi Robert 12:29:52 --- quit: njd ("epic4-1.1.16 - oblivion : the lost souls of time..envy life.") 12:34:45 hehe 12:35:17 out of the 20 or so websites I visit on a regular basis, only 3 of them aren't available as a RSS feed 12:37:13 rss ? 12:37:29 Romulans Spank Spock, of course 12:40:28 I440r: basically a site summary in XML format, for news aggregators, I am using straw, a news aggregator for gnome 12:41:01 its what I thought newsgroups would be like, before I used them 12:42:27 gnome - ick! lol 12:42:39 * I440r needs some help with isforth documentation :( 12:42:46 --- quit: rO| (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12:45:04 I440r: what is the problem? 12:45:28 no idea where to start 12:45:29 :/ 12:45:47 and im the only person with enough knowledge of the system to document it atm 12:47:14 I440r, consider to keep only one set of documents, and generate the docs from the one set. such as, grep source files for the doc portions, and maintain doc in the source 12:48:16 speuler i dont want sources and documentation interlaved into the same source files, that would fill up the source files with huge ammounts of bullshit visual clutter making them totally unreadable and thus unmaintainable 12:48:37 my soruces dont look like an unmade bed like most others ive looked at... 12:49:00 ive strived to keep my sources neat and clean and readable and to keep the bs visual clutter to a minimum 12:49:01 I440r, you can grep -v the files for a non-doc source-only version 12:49:19 speuler when i do joe somefile.f how do i filter out the bullshit ? 12:49:20 heh 12:49:33 i know what your saying - i understand its advantages 12:49:44 but the disadvantage is unmaintainable CODE 12:49:53 CODE belongs in soruce files 12:49:56 not documentation 12:49:59 not version history 12:50:20 an "intelligent" editor, allowing to hide lines matching certain patterns, would be nice 12:50:43 an intelligent editor can splice together seperate source and documentation 12:50:47 speuler an intelligent editor would think its more intelligent than you are and would hide info you need 12:51:03 no, i define the match patterns 12:51:16 i wont use a folding editor either, at least not and use its folding 12:51:33 you're free not to do :) 12:51:38 because when i move through the sources even if im skipping past functions my eye still scanns over them 12:51:44 therefore i take them in partially 12:52:02 if they were hidden i would have to UNHIDE them to look at them 12:52:04 no thanx :/ 12:52:13 its a great idea on paper but not in practice 12:52:26 why hide something you would want to see ?? 12:52:59 exactlyu 12:53:16 and even if im looking for some other function i still want to see EVERYTHING as i scan past it 12:53:28 my brain will be thinking about the stuff i scan past 12:53:39 while im working on the shit i was looking for :) 12:54:05 do you put any documentation in the source? 12:54:15 who ? 12:54:17 i do 12:54:22 int i; // increment i 12:54:24 i put comments and thers some text in the sources that does not belong 12:54:24 h0h0 12:55:00 fix that, I just woke up, anyway you get what I mean 12:55:04 i call it "documentation" so i don't have to write some 12:55:17 small amounts of documentation describing what the code is attempting to do at that point 12:55:27 but actually, those parts are machine-extractable 12:55:46 i even use a forth word to extract parts of it 12:55:59 and display it as "on-line help" 12:56:44 in bashforth i do too 12:56:47 doc doc 12:56:52 show doc of word doc 12:57:03 which is just above the code of word "doc" 12:57:48 using seperate files would be messy 12:58:08 with this scheme, i can spot undocumented words with a blink of an eye 12:58:18 and there's no obsolete doc 12:58:41 it also softly forces me to document any word 12:58:59 especially the helper words, and "internals" 12:59:22 not much use for doc of standard words :) 13:01:34 unless they differ from the standard 13:01:54 wouldn't be a standard word, in that case 13:02:10 well you could have a standard word that operates in a non standard way 13:02:15 but extremely important to know about, sure 13:02:38 no, you can have the name of of standard word 13:02:52 but not a standard word which behaves non-standard 13:02:59 hairsplitting of course 13:04:02 discussion of standards leads to ANS, ANS leads to hate and hate leads to the dark side of the force 13:04:23 exactly!!!! ans is the dark side! 13:04:25 heheh 13:04:31 * Speuler doesn't care 13:05:39 my forths implements words as i feel its right, even if isforth compatibility suffers . 13:05:58 big grin 13:06:53 if i'f write an ANS conform system, it would be compatibility by coincedence 13:08:08 bongo your forth doesnt need to be isforth compliant any more than isforth needs to be ans compliant 13:16:02 but - when does a system stop being forth ? say, i type " 1 2 + .", and the system responds with " *** 1 2 + . -> badly structured expression" ... 13:16:27 but i maintain "this is my forth, only, it is a bit non-ANS" 13:18:02 "you have to write it this way: dot(tos+=mem[sp++])" 13:19:13 almost neglectable syntactic discrepance 13:19:54 due to not having a fully-standard + or . 13:20:37 --- quit: I440r ("Leaving") 13:21:06 --- join: I440r (~mark4@12-160.lctv-a5.cablelynx.com) joined #forth 13:21:36 oopts 13:22:11 --- quit: zardon ("Lost terminal") 13:26:20 --- join: zardon (~zardon@d216-232-233-5.bchsia.telus.net) joined #forth 13:36:39 easiest way out would be to state "forth is what its discoverer meant it to be", which in the current state would render all non-colorforth implementation "forth-alikes" 13:36:47 --- quit: MysticOne (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:37:42 that would be fine with me too. i don't care whether i'm working on/with a forth system or a forth-like system 13:39:15 I think it is important to consider what the creator thinks forth should be 13:39:21 to an extent 13:40:03 ok i just tried to go to www.m-1911.org and got some fucking porn site 13:40:05 grr 13:40:27 but that is why they call it XYZ Forth 13:40:39 and not just Forth. 13:41:21 period = denotes end hehe 13:42:08 --- join: MysticOne (mysticone@mysticone.usercloak.freenode) joined #forth 13:43:09 are there mysticubes too ? 13:44:30 not to mention mysticircles 13:44:54 there's only MysticOne 13:44:56 or ... MystiCone 13:44:57 :) 13:45:25 hehe, mystic 13:47:29 so does anyone but futhin work on forth.bespin.org? 13:52:05 anyone know AdamMarquis? 13:52:26 he made the ide bootloader in the forum 13:52:33 er, made/posted 13:53:02 --- quit: fridge (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 14:00:09 --- join: fridge (~fridge@dsl-203-33-160-177.NSW.netspace.net.au) joined #forth 14:00:11 ahh 14:00:15 I thought I knew it 14:00:21 I440r = mark 14:00:45 hey fridge 14:02:01 howdy 14:02:32 just dragged the bed into the loungeroom 14:02:40 only room with aircon =) 14:05:01 :) 14:05:37 --- part: slava left #forth 14:06:29 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@pc92dn1d.ppp.FCC.NET) joined #forth 14:06:29 --- mode: ChanServ set +o TheBlueWizard 14:06:46 hiya all 14:13:44 moi 14:14:23 terve mur :) 14:40:55 oh. just noticing, domain the-b.org is still available 14:40:56 --- quit: fridge (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:41:25 how much does a domain cost these days ? 14:41:36 org about 15$/y 14:41:44 cheap 14:41:48 grab it before microsoft does :) 14:42:02 lol 14:42:04 de and eur about 6 $ 14:42:23 but eur only reservation yet 14:42:41 5 $ 14:45:46 not even offical registrations 14:45:53 some bulk registrars stuff 14:46:42 mur: early registration has been available for non-bulk .eu for a while now 14:47:00 where? 14:47:19 mur: my domain reseller does 14:47:29 seen some others too 14:47:34 that does not make it official for certainly 14:47:45 come first - get is the idea here 14:48:03 i read somewhere someone said that firms offer preregistrations even there is not even official registrations yet 14:48:31 thats the purpose of preregistration 14:48:44 wouldn't need if you can register the domain already 14:49:15 "we'll get that domain for you once the tld becomes available" 14:49:38 for sure there'll be conflicts 14:49:59 no idea how that's going to be handled. 14:50:07 possibly, time of prereg 14:52:18 but the-b.eu sound shitty 14:59:35 --- join: fridge (~fridge@dsl-203-33-160-177.NSW.netspace.net.au) joined #forth 15:08:36 --- join: Robert_ (~snofs@c-305a71d5.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 15:09:05 hiya Robert 15:09:15 Hi :) 15:10:19 --- quit: Robert (Nick collision from services.) 15:10:37 TheBlueWizard: kysy Robertilta jotain suomeksi! ;) 15:10:51 bur.eu 15:11:17 --- nick: Robert_ -> Robert 15:11:38 Speuler: i think they just all flood reg domains and first gets 15:11:41 matter of secs 15:15:16 --- part: Speuler left #forth 15:21:44 y0 15:22:38 hey chrisrw 15:22:53 did you see the posts Adam made at forth.bespin.org? 15:23:43 no 15:23:46 hooold on 15:23:56 as in, Adam Chlipala? 15:24:17 no 15:24:22 Marquis 15:24:28 which I believe is I440r hehe 15:24:34 but I might be wrong 15:24:50 pretty cool posts 15:25:00 exactly what I want to do as far as getting a forth system bootstrapped 15:25:02 no.... 15:25:09 I440r is Mark 15:25:25 Mark is short for Marquis 15:25:31 but it's probably not i440r 15:25:31 er 15:25:31 noo 15:25:41 Mark Manning :) 15:26:07 hehe, k 15:26:16 so someone here is Adam Marquis 15:26:48 hrm 15:26:52 might be wossname 15:27:08 yeah 15:27:11 it might 15:27:24 Robert? 15:27:32 Yes? 15:27:33 is it wossname? 15:27:36 No 15:27:46 k 15:27:56 I'll just have to wait on futhin then 15:27:59 he probably knows 15:28:41 yep :) 15:28:51 oh 15:28:53 lol 15:28:56 woss = Sebastian Hubbard 15:29:04 wossname = ESbas-tian Hubbard 15:29:05 duh 15:29:08 llo 15:29:12 http://robert.zizi.org/seb.html 15:29:13 Sebastian* 15:29:13 hehe 15:29:29 Favourite programming languages:C and Assembler 15:29:35 no forth? 15:29:43 :(~ 15:30:36 :)) 15:31:14 Favourite programming languages:C, forth and assembly language 15:31:17 mur: ok! 15:31:17 Rob's page 15:31:37 ircname .. Time to play! :) 15:31:41 hehe tbw 15:31:47 friendly ircname :) 15:32:18 only 9 computers Rob? 15:32:23 geez, wimp 15:34:03 Robert: ymmärrän sinä puhut suomea...niin miten menee? 15:35:24 TheBlueWizard: Hyvää iltaa. 15:36:47 Timmie died? 15:37:23 What Timmie? The Dutch one? 15:37:30 we're going to need another timmy! 15:37:32 Robert: 15:37:34 heh 15:38:22 United Freaks 15:38:28 Freaks United 15:38:32 Yes 15:38:46 TheBlueWizard: You knew I didn't know finnish :) 15:39:08 Robert: oh? 15:39:16 * TheBlueWizard glances at mur 15:39:42 --- join: Sonarman (~matt@adsl-64-169-93-83.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 15:39:57 so I take it nobody visits the forth forum at bespin? 15:40:03 hey Sonar 15:40:10 hi! 15:40:21 you're happy today :) 15:40:23 hey hey hey 15:40:40 TheBlueWizard: Heh. 15:40:58 mur: Mihin sinä kysyt minun puhua Robert:ilta suomeksi? 15:41:31 (Why did you ask me to talk to Robert in Finnish?) 15:41:45 no reason specified 15:41:47 ;) 15:41:50 hehe 15:42:00 you guys are even assholes to each other 15:42:07 lovely 15:43:10 TheBlueWizard: Haha. 15:43:30 mur: Sluta lura den stackars blåa trollkarlen. 15:45:19 mur: du bist ja ein gemeines arschloch 15:45:52 mur: Puhutko ruotsia? 15:46:06 :)) 15:46:09 chrisrw: How unpolite of you 15:46:10 mur: Puhutko saksia? 15:46:13 :) 15:46:32 Robert: Im not a very polite person 15:46:43 what did he do? 15:46:54 mur: du bist ja ein gemeines arschloch 15:47:15 ohh 15:47:16 you bastard 15:47:17 saksia :) 15:47:21 heh 15:47:30 ree: know german? 15:47:55 Robert: heh 15:48:06 I know English 15:48:13 i understand german 15:48:13 and.. 15:48:21 i still dont see that line worth commenting 15:48:21 English 15:48:36 mur versteht nichts :( 15:48:41 those are the only two languages I know 15:48:56 which one do you know better? 15:49:08 Let me guess, English! 15:49:31 i say English instead 15:49:36 let's see who is right 15:49:37 heh 15:50:23 you're both wrong 15:50:31 I know very little of either 15:50:36 but equally the same amount 15:50:38 mur: SIGN A-S-L YOU? (that's a direct "translation of an ASL query :) 15:50:54 hey, i know what "mur versteht nichts" means! 15:50:59 from listening to RAMMSTEIN 15:51:02 ME SIGN A-S-L NOT 15:51:17 so nobody reads the #forth forum? 15:51:18 :( 15:51:35 * mur is wearing cursed ring of conflict 15:51:46 everywhere i go,i cause conflicts 15:51:49 people over react 15:51:51 ree: i read the forum, but i have never posted there 15:51:52 :D 15:52:25 mur: :-D 15:52:27 ohh 15:52:33 do you know who AdamMarquis is? 15:52:41 AdamMarquis is suprdupr 15:52:45 i'm pretty sure 15:52:49 --- quit: MysticOne (Client Quit) 15:52:52 hehe, thanks 15:53:24 not registered here 15:54:33 he has some cool posts 15:54:41 yeah, he does 15:54:43 similar ideas to me 15:54:49 also in comp.lang.forth 15:55:04 ahh, yes 15:55:04 what kind of ideas? 15:55:10 I'll load my newsreader 15:55:40 ohh.. regarding colorforth and embedding a dev system directly into a bootstrap for an OS 15:55:47 a/the bootstrap 15:56:11 so there woudl not be but minimal kernel? 15:56:16 I've decided to go with forth instead of editing my assembly code with vi and assembling it with fasm 15:56:34 well.. I like to view my system as one large image 15:57:05 there won't be a line between kernel and executing code 15:58:17 II can have temporary forth code taking place of future asm code 15:58:25 --- join: MysticOne (mysticone@mysticone.usercloak.freenode) joined #forth 15:58:27 and interactively replace/add code while developing the system 15:58:33 so it works out to be best 15:58:40 plus I'll have more people interested this way 15:59:22 I convinced myself I was limiting myself using a regular editor like vi and assembler like fasm or nasm 15:59:25 ::) 15:59:30 why not let forth do that for me 15:59:51 you're learning, Joe :)) 16:01:10 anyway, my thinking priod abuot RkG is ovr 16:01:12 :) 16:01:14 --- quit: Robert (Remote closed the connection) 16:01:23 ObjC it is :)) 16:01:25 GRRRR 16:01:31 mur: ! 16:01:32 mur: ! 16:01:32 mur: ! 16:01:35 the programming is annoying practical 16:01:41 :) 16:01:47 why isn't there much ahrdcore programming 16:02:02 it requires large platform :( 16:02:07 WHY DONT WE ALL JUST CODE BINARY 16:02:09 no time and effort to code such 16:02:25 practical != !binary 16:02:38 haha 16:02:44 that reduces to 16:03:01 practical = binary 16:03:02 :) 16:03:24 ree mark means "of mars" or "warlike" 16:03:32 or - in norwegan... "field of worms" 16:03:33 ugh 16:04:44 lol 16:04:45 uh 16:05:03 well chrisrw you know too theoretical 16:05:05 field of worms isn't norwegian 16:05:12 RkG? 16:05:40 ree: my current project :)) 16:05:43 --- quit: aktnot_ ("leaving") 16:06:39 hehe.. you like to start everything with Rk :) 16:12:16 --- join: Robert (~snofs@c-305a71d5.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 16:12:26 wb Robert 16:12:40 hej rober 16:12:41 ! 16:16:37 so who volunteers to do my dox ? 16:16:41 futhin! 16:16:48 make yourself usefull for a change!!! 16:16:50 :P 16:18:06 hehehe 16:18:19 robert! 16:18:23 yeah, you channel stealing asshole :) 16:18:26 robers web pages are cool 16:18:44 robert - wanna do an isforth web page for me ? 16:19:06 robert's pages are good.. well formatted and simple 16:19:12 exactly 16:19:18 and not purple 16:19:24 definitely not purple :) 16:19:26 purple is a given 16:19:27 sorry 16:19:31 has to be purple 16:19:33 grr 16:19:36 grow some balls 16:19:41 please :) 16:19:47 they stole "queer" im NOT letting them have purple! 16:19:47 :P 16:19:56 they stole "gay" i mean 16:20:22 except on christmas, we get "gay" back! 16:20:32 don we now our gay apparal! 16:20:34 purple is good colour but requires skills to use it 16:20:40 rob, his purple/gay/fag site is beneath your skills bud 16:20:54 --- join: slava (~slava@CPE0080ad77a020-CM.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 16:21:04 actually.. our one office wall is purple 16:21:05 * TheBlueWizard laughs 16:21:06 has anyone thought of doing OO in forth using a multi dispatch sort of thing? 16:21:08 so I can't say anything 16:21:27 OOP????????? 16:21:30 ie, define the word (foo bar) baz, where foo and bar are predicates 16:21:40 if they return 1, then dispatch baz 16:21:40 http://www.geocities.com/tablizer/oopbad.htm 16:21:46 purple works everywhere except for a car colour 16:22:17 actually.. I think purple works on interior 16:22:47 ca* 16:22:50 slave is talking more about dispatches than OOP.. dispatching is fun 16:22:51 car* 16:25:38 for instance right now i'm writing a perverted forth-like langauge interpreter, and it does math with bignums, ratios, fixnums and soon complex numbers 16:26:10 it would be nice if i could define +, -, sin, cos etc etc etc to take the various numbers as multiple dispatches 16:26:29 purple works everywhere? hmm...I'd like some purple grasses, purple sun, purple snow, .... :) 16:26:46 hell yess! 16:26:52 purple SNOW!!! :) 16:27:14 oi 16:29:58 Purple snow? 16:30:03 Oh. 16:30:20 * Robert wonders what kind of pills TheBlueWizard is taking 16:30:44 * TheBlueWizard laughs...he was just making sarcastic joke 16:30:51 purple piss could be arranged 16:31:23 futhin: ha ha...I heard one can actually change the color of piss through certain eating 16:31:52 back 16:32:49 i was thinking of the joke that medical doctors play on each other by spiking food with a substance that turns your piss bright blue 16:33:27 :) 16:33:38 And the rest of your body, heh. 16:33:43 At least the inside. 16:34:03 mur: I440r onpa mieletön :) 16:34:28 -pa? :) 16:35:33 eh ? 16:35:45