00:00:00 --- log: started forth/03.12.08 00:02:41 --- mode: I440r set -o I440r 00:12:50 Well, that killed the conversation. 00:13:18 what did ? :) 00:46:44 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~z@212.34.52.140) joined #forth 01:06:42 --- quit: Robert (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:06:44 --- join: Robert_ (~snofs@c-305a71d5.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 01:15:05 hi Robert_ 01:22:31 /me is reviving old dusty 486 for warehouse terminal :)) 01:22:57 --- quit: jdrake ("Oops. This machine just fell asleep") 01:24:40 --- quit: Herkamire ("oh my, it's getting very late") 01:55:54 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 02:31:19 --- join: schihei (~schihei@blueice1x.de.ibm.com) joined #forth 02:35:23 --- nick: Robert_ -> Robert 03:00:46 schihei: you work at big blue? 04:01:52 fridge: yes 04:02:25 do you use forth in your day to day tasks? 04:03:21 yes, a little 05:07:20 --- quit: fridge ("Leaving") 05:25:44 --- quit: haroldo_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05:30:44 --- join: haroldo (~haroldo@r200-40-217-167-dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) joined #forth 05:54:36 --- quit: warp0x00 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:55:55 --- join: warp0x00 (~warpzero@dsl.142.mt.onewest.net) joined #forth 06:09:04 --- quit: I440r ("Leaving") 07:03:20 --- quit: MysticOne ("Lost terminal") 07:04:53 --- join: MysticOne (mysticone@mysticone.usercloak.freenode) joined #forth 07:12:19 --- join: I440r (~mark4@saturn.vcsd.com) joined #forth 07:26:42 Hi 07:45:09 --- quit: Robert ("leaving") 07:48:40 --- join: Robert (~snofs@c-305a71d5.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 07:54:36 --- quit: Robert ("leaving") 07:57:34 --- join: Robert (~snofs@c-305a71d5.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 07:57:37 --- quit: Robert (Client Quit) 08:05:27 --- quit: schihei (Client Quit) 08:06:28 --- join: Robert (~snofs@c-305a71d5.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 08:22:37 --- quit: Robert ("leaving") 08:32:52 --- join: Robert (~snofs@c-305a71d5.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 09:01:41 --- join: jdrake (~whore@CPE00045afdd0e8-CM014410113717.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 09:15:11 --- quit: jdrake ("Oops. This machine just fell asleep") 09:27:53 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@66-91-231-74.san.rr.com) joined #forth 09:27:53 --- mode: ChanServ set +o kc5tja 09:50:02 --- quit: kc5tja ("THX QSO ES 73 DE KC5TJA/6 CL ES QRT AR SK") 10:03:23 --- join: schihei (~schihei@pD9E5C3B4.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 10:07:02 suh-weet! isforth supports structures. And apparently sensible ones. 10:10:09 lol well chuck would disagree 10:10:16 but i like em 10:11:58 In C, I often put all my globals (that are related) into a single global structure. Of course, one tries not to use globals often, but sometimes it's not avoidable. And by putting them in a structure, it reduces name space oddities. I also enum and typedef just about everything. I like stong type checking that I can override as needed. 10:12:18 Structures are just too powerful a tool not to have. 10:13:06 enums in c are wastefull, instead of creating a #define name value for each enum it defines a constant structure and makes the name equal to the offset into the structure 10:13:07 very poor 10:13:42 look at the memory manager - i challenge anyone to create something equiv without the structures and have it as easy to maintain 10:14:03 enums in C do not generate code. 10:14:56 well the sure do in every c compiler i ever used them in - but those are usually embedded ones like ashling etc 10:15:03 not famous for efficient compiles lol 10:18:20 bb; phood is thataway --> 10:22:43 According to the C specification, enums are nothing more than automatically assigned labels with a type of integer. They do not alocate storage, any more than structure or union does without an instantiation of it. 10:23:00 So it appears your compiler is b0rken. 10:46:27 --- join: chandler_ (~darmok@64-145-60-36.client.dsl.net) joined #forth 11:16:06 not MY compiler lol 11:16:15 isforth doesnt have enums yet 11:20:05 --- quit: schihei (Client Quit) 11:49:09 --- nick: chandler_ -> chandler 11:49:36 I meant your C compiler, obviously. 12:30:35 --- join: schihei (~schihei@pD9E5C3B4.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 12:41:32 lol ok :) 12:41:45 so are you messin with isforth ? 12:41:54 any questions or suggestions.. let me know 12:42:27 Not right at the moment. I was poking through seeing what it took to do files and/or sockets. Looks pretty straight forward. Now if I could just find the motivation I misplaced last week. 12:42:33 I already looked under the sink. It wasn't there. 12:43:00 it sometimes hides in bottles of jack danniels 12:43:25 * jc goes to look 12:43:57 Hmm. Looks like I picked a bad week to stop sniffing glue. 12:54:34 I love that movie. 13:35:53 --- quit: schihei (Client Quit) 13:50:07 --- join: karingo (karingo@199.portland-06-08rs.or.dial-access.att.net) joined #forth 13:54:44 --- quit: karingo (Client Quit) 15:27:10 --- quit: I440r ("bbl") 15:34:44 --- join: _gps_ (~gps@166.70.196.201) joined #forth 15:47:49 --- join: arke (~chris@ca-cmrilo-cuda1-c3b-124.vnnyca.adelphia.net) joined #forth 15:57:52 y0 16:08:20 --- join: madgarden (~madgarden@Kitchener-HSE-ppp3576567.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 16:20:36 --- join: I440r (~mark4@12-160.lctv-a5.cablelynx.com) joined #forth 16:28:34 y0 I440r 16:28:39 you penetrate my mouth 16:28:39 your in-and-outs are furious 16:28:39 sometimes a hair get stuck between my teeth 16:28:39 you always leave that white tasty liquid in my mouth 16:28:41 hi 16:28:44 good ol' toothbrush 16:29:35 whee 16:33:00 --- part: madgarden left #forth 16:55:09 --- join: Sonarman (~matt@adsl-67-113-234-219.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 17:17:06 --- part: _gps_ left #forth 17:39:17 --- quit: haroldo (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 17:42:38 --- join: haroldo (~haroldo@r200-40-213-110-dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) joined #forth 17:44:29 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@h000094d30ba2.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 18:35:38 I440r! 18:35:49 I440r: why in heavens name does IsForth return non-zero!? 19:27:00 --- join: jdrake (~whore@CPE00045afdd0e8-CM014410113717.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 19:30:44 --- quit: jdrake (Client Quit) 19:30:46 --- join: jdrake (~GodlessHo@CPE00045afdd0e8-CM014410113717.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 19:32:25 jdrake, since when have you been a forther? :) 19:32:58 : what was that ; 19:35:18 er 19:35:27 ive never seen you here before.... 19:35:31 i dont think, at least 19:36:23 i have been in here yesterday and once about two months ago 19:36:30 we might be of use to one another 19:36:39 i am looking at doing something that I think you have experience with 19:37:14 ? 19:37:22 brb 19:37:28 how are you getting a non zero return 19:37:37 it returns errno 19:37:48 making a safe forth in cocoa (just my specific implementation) 19:39:38 mmmm ... :) 19:39:54 I440r: well, it has no problems, says "Au Revoir!", but makes make fail 19:40:16 err i dont understand what you mean 19:41:15 --- quit: jdrake ("Snak 4.9.7 IRC For Mac - http://www.snak.com (There are 2 version numbers left before 5.0.0!!)") 20:01:08 --- join: jdrake (~GodlessHo@CPE00045afdd0e8-CM014410113717.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 20:46:57 --- quit: jdrake ("Snak 4.9.7 IRC For Mac - http://www.snak.com (There are 2 version numbers left before 5.0.0!!)") 21:00:51 re all 21:28:31 --- quit: Herkamire ("bed") 21:54:59 I440r, you awake? 22:01:45 I'll read any responses in the AM. Question is, is there a word like 'variable' but allows initialization like var or const? I just want to preset a value, and was looking something like '1234 variable spot', initializing spot to 1234. 22:16:48 yea i am now 22:17:33 not in isforth, var and const are sorta things i invented (tho other forths call var "value") ive never seen the like of const before 22:18:01 the 79 standard required you pre-initialize variables, i think 83 broke that 22:29:15 --- quit: Sonarman ("leaving") 22:49:25 --- quit: skylan (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22:54:45 --- join: ss (~matt@CommSecureAustPtyLtd.sb1.optus.net.au) joined #forth 22:55:16 --- nick: ss -> hovil 22:56:26 any ANS vs "real forth" flamefests today? =) 23:04:26 why not 23:04:27 :) 23:04:30 sounds good to me :) 23:24:10 is there a keyword to print out the dictionary? 23:24:22 like .s prints the stack 23:26:40 --- quit: I440r (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 23:29:03 --- join: r (r@162.33.46.6) joined #forth 23:29:29 Borscht. 23:30:22 --- join: I440r (~mark4@12-160.lctv-a5.cablelynx.com) joined #forth 23:30:55 oopts im sure i didnt mean to do that 23:31:06 Do what? 23:31:55 quit 23:32:01 actually, power off the laptop 23:32:55 I see. I've never been here before. Nice to see a live Forth channel. 23:34:48 --- join: I440r_ (~mark4@12-160.lctv-a5.cablelynx.com) joined #forth 23:35:15 grr i hate that 23:35:21 centericq detaches when you close the console on it and it goes into some huge race condition and eats up 9999999% of your cpu 23:35:23 --- quit: I440r (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23:35:28 NOTHING else will run till you kill it 23:35:38 including the console/terminal you try open to KILL it 23:35:40 sounds like typical GNU software 23:36:07 Also sounds like ICQ 23:36:44 centericq i dont use any other 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/03.12.08