00:04:04 --- log: started forth/03.11.05 00:04:04 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~z@212.34.52.140) joined #forth 00:05:42 Privet! 00:06:30 Davno ne videlis'! 00:29:34 privet ! 00:31:28 privet 00:36:40 *Serg_Pernguin* 00:37:10 ...strange controls... hmm 00:40:57 ne mogesh prochitat /msg ili russki yazik ? 00:48:49 wouldn't bother me if you chat here in russian 00:54:13 mur: sorry, seems like he has trubbles and can't read my /msg in RU 00:57:06 cya 01:01:14 moja kodirovka, razumeetsja 01:09:30 --- quit: SDO_AMD (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:22:45 --- quit: ianP (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:23:07 --- quit: ASau ("should go away") 01:25:24 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 02:40:09 --- join: segher (~segher@blueice1a.de.ibm.com) joined #forth 02:40:28 : : does> execute ; 02:41:29 erm 02:41:41 : : create does> execute ; 02:42:09 erm 02:42:13 : : create ] does> execute ; 02:42:18 phew 04:36:32 --- join: schihei (~schihei@pD9E5CCA2.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 05:52:51 no 05:53:11 create ( comma somehing in here ) does> @ (do something with it here 05:53:16 ) 05:53:35 tho i have seen create , does> ; 05:53:39 which looks silly to me 05:54:02 thers no difference between that and variable that i can tell 05:54:09 : variable create , does> ; 05:54:10 lol 05:54:24 or create 0 , does> ; 05:57:26 that's how i define VARIABLE , yes 05:58:12 well EXECUTE doesn't work obviously, but i have a special primitive that _does_ do what i want :-) 05:59:27 --- join: fabjus (~fabian@p508F266C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 05:59:38 Hello 06:01:24 Anybody here knowing something about retrolinux? 06:03:38 nope, never even heared of it lol 06:06:55 sup 06:11:38 <-- at work - "hardly working" !!! 06:11:38 --- quit: mmanning ("Reality Strikes Again") 06:13:13 --- quit: fabjus ("leaving") 06:18:42 --- quit: segher (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06:18:42 --- quit: njd (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06:18:43 --- quit: onetom (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06:18:43 --- quit: mur (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06:18:43 --- quit: schihei (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06:18:44 --- quit: slava (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06:20:22 --- join: onetom (~tom@cab.bio.u-szeged.hu) joined #forth 06:20:22 --- join: slava (~slava@CPE0080ad77a020-CM.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 06:20:22 --- join: schihei (~schihei@pD9E5CCA2.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 06:20:22 --- join: segher (~segher@blueice1a.de.ibm.com) joined #forth 06:20:22 --- join: njd (~junk@njd.paradise.net.nz) joined #forth 06:20:26 --- join: mur (~mur@smtp.uiah.fi) joined #forth 06:45:05 --- quit: schihei (Client Quit) 06:55:32 --- quit: warp0x00 (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06:58:00 --- join: warp0x00 (~warpzero@dsl.31.mt.onewest.net) joined #forth 07:06:50 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~z@212.34.52.140) joined #forth 07:15:03 re 07:15:10 re 07:15:20 * Serg_Penguin is macro-shooting ads 07:17:15 :) 07:17:23 marcoshooting is fun 07:18:15 * mur made interesting test with paper 07:18:33 heh, i got euro outlets and USSR plug 07:18:37 kind f envelove 07:18:48 :) 07:18:59 so can't turn lamps on, only flash - damn glossy paper !! 07:19:26 eeek 07:19:40 flash light (especially built-in) shoudl never be used 07:19:46 sure !! 07:19:58 but light 'll be on only tomorrow ^(((( 07:20:18 what are you taking photos of? 07:20:23 digital or traditional camera? 07:20:36 Canon PowerShot A70 07:20:59 sounds like decent 07:21:05 system camera? 07:21:26 no, compact, 340$ 07:21:39 unchangeable lens, 3x zoom 07:22:13 argh :P 07:22:19 is it digital anyways? 07:22:25 sure, it is 07:22:55 digital system cameras are very expensive 07:23:23 ~1000$, EOS 300D 07:24:52 we have some pretty fancy cameras at phtography dept 07:24:59 they are about 20000 eur 07:25:53 wanna pic of my makro table ? 07:27:00 if it is not huge and you can send url :) 07:27:15 url more importantly 07:27:38 here i can buy old 6x9 Zeiss Super Iconta for 2500 RUB, ~80$ 07:27:58 do u accept DCC ? 07:28:15 i may downsize to whatever you want 07:28:59 i am on university shell 07:29:12 i can't dcc 07:31:12 i'm adding to my web photo album 07:31:42 :) 07:36:33 http://photofile.ru/default/do?aid=53246 07:36:36 see it 07:37:25 ok 07:37:46 and http://photofile.ru/default/do?aid=49866 - regular fotos 07:38:03 nice macro table ? 07:38:14 self built repro workstation?: ) 07:38:35 IT'S NICE 07:38:41 ha-ha-ha ! old soviet, factory-made ;)))) 07:38:49 :) 07:38:50 hehe 07:39:00 just bought in second-hand shop for 20$ 07:39:10 camera on it is Olympus Mju-2 07:39:20 just for picture 07:39:21 what are you photoing? 07:39:43 little paper bags for seeds 07:39:43 --- join: ianP (ian@inpuj.net) joined #forth 07:39:48 just ads for short 07:40:27 interesting long exposure pictures 07:40:54 heh ! the cheapest brand camera w/ M mode :))) 07:40:58 if you had exposed it a bit longer you coudl have made scifi picture where faster than sound car goes 07:41:04 M*? 07:41:09 manual mode 07:41:33 i love it, after full-mechanic Zenit SLR 07:41:40 the as long as you want mode? 07:41:55 4, 2, 1 M, B did it go like that? 07:42:03 up to 15 sec on A70 07:42:13 no, u choose on-screen 07:42:20 only 1 wheel for modes 07:42:54 M, Av, Tv, P, "green", "sport", "night".... 07:42:56 what is the fastest mode it supports? 07:43:05 fastest ???? 07:43:08 i mean shortest exposure time 07:43:14 1/2000 07:43:21 15 - 1/2000 07:43:32 mega cool, after 1/30 - 1/500 on Zenit 07:43:56 2000 is probably shortest refresh rate on light sensor 07:44:01 or then some hack 07:44:18 refresh is off while exposure ;))) 07:44:24 even 15 sec ;)) 07:44:41 well 1000th second needs flashlight i think 07:44:48 not tomention 2000 07:45:10 it'll become probably much less than 2000th second with not flash as only light 07:45:29 ??? 07:45:55 average flash is 1/10000 long 07:46:05 can catch a bullet in midair 07:46:05 the water drops are photographed with 1/10000 s but that is not possible but to have longer exposure time and in completely dark room and flash light is on for 10000th second 07:46:41 it requires quite mach hacking to photgrahy bullet :) 07:47:12 just frow second-hand bullet by hand ;))) 07:47:50 fire it in water be4, like crime experts do, to avoid damage 07:48:43 hehe 07:49:00 very fast shutter is easy to build :)) 07:49:03 yo need to have some light sensor to fire the flash to capture flying bullet 07:49:27 the faster the shutter, more errors it causes 07:50:16 take a disk of 30 cm diameter, make a hole of 5 mm 07:50:16 balance it and spin hell fast 07:50:21 you have fast shutter ;)) 07:51:03 that is called film / cinema camera 07:51:19 hole is 1/360 of circle, yes ? 07:51:52 if u make 7200 rpm, like HDD.. 07:52:31 1/43200 ;)) 07:52:37 cinema camera has refreshrate of 24 fps because of historiical resons 07:56:27 you can make a shutter out of free-falling piece of metal :)) 07:56:27 w/ a hole,sure 07:56:27 have you treid? 07:56:27 have you done much photography? 07:56:30 not tried, but i had a pic of myself shot w/ 6x9 cam made of trash in few evenings 07:57:20 i done 1 roll of film and under 100 digi 07:57:40 under 100 valuable interesting pics, not button hits 08:00:43 may i do some graphics from http://photofile.ru/default/do?sp=&sn=53246&id=737023 ? 08:01:37 sure, consider it under GNU license for books and so 08:02:01 do whatever you want, but mind CHANGELOG and original author 08:02:59 i wanna make some pamphlet out of it myself 08:03:38 scan a piramyd on dollar bill and put it alongside w/ one on photo 08:03:40 ' 08:04:38 'NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM' 08:05:44 changelog? :) 08:05:52 usually i put photographer to picture 08:05:59 changelog woudl be a lot of work 08:06:10 espcially if i do tens of work a day :) 08:06:10 when 08:06:16 .. otherwise i dont do much rarely 08:11:03 * Serg_Penguin is scanning 1$ in other room 08:11:11 wait a little :))) 08:11:56 that's a good way to get a new camera? 08:20:42 ??? 08:21:05 get a 'tin can' camera and become a master w/ it 08:21:53 did u mean "how to choose a good model" ? 08:23:32 no i meant that you'd be copying bank notes :) 08:23:50 if it was good way to get new camera, because you coudl produce bank notes, understand the joke? :) 08:24:08 i copied just a piece of it' w/ mason's "great seal" ;(( 08:24:13 i got a joke ;)) 08:28:58 :) 08:36:48 Serg_Penguin: murr.host.sk/tmp/magicpotion.jpg 08:39:54 Serg_Penguin: what shoudl the changelog include? 08:41:08 heh, i see no trace of my work ;)) 08:41:20 ? 08:41:37 oh the one i pasted 08:41:41 made it one day for fun 08:42:36 changelog... hm, i think a link and brief description of original work, and _how_ did you modify it, so others may learn from it 08:43:01 what is your name or shoudl i have only Serg or Serg-_penguin? 08:43:16 i do not care ;)) 08:43:34 i hide my identity coz writing some texts on religion and politics 08:43:57 sounds intresting 08:45:07 not to say i'm living like a spy or paranoic, but ... i'm just careful 08:45:19 i understand the situation of rus :) 08:53:33 revisit 08:53:34 http://photofile.ru/default/do?sp=&sn=53246&id=737023 08:54:57 whadda you think of it ? 08:55:07 404 08:55:07 :/ 08:55:17 oooooops !! 08:55:37 now it works 08:55:40 what's changed? 08:55:57 http://photofile.ru/default/do?sp=&sn=53246&id=737026#sc 08:56:22 refresh the pyramid building picture ;)) 08:57:39 see the collage ? 08:58:16 oh 08:58:20 hehe 08:58:42 that's the picture iäm editing actually :) 08:59:08 doing same work ? 08:59:11 hehe... 09:01:09 --- part: segher left #forth 09:05:05 i got quite interesting effect on it 09:14:41 ;)) 09:14:59 did u ever look on dollar bill carefully ? 09:15:05 no :/ 09:17:33 wait soo you can see 09:17:35 soon 09:21:39 didn't meant to. it was cool picture but now it looks boring :) 09:21:45 extreme dullness :) 09:26:18 are you in hurry? 09:30:06 heh, gotta go home ;)) 20:28, a hour of traveling 09:30:21 10 mins? 09:30:28 --- quit: warp0x00 (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09:32:19 --- join: warp0x00 (~warpzero@dsl.31.mt.onewest.net) joined #forth 09:34:47 ill upload it now 09:36:40 murr.host.sk/tmp/moskva-mystery.jpg 09:38:03 and moskva-mystery_CHANGELOG.rtf (coudlnt write txts) 09:40:13 Serg_Penguin: tell me what you think ;) 09:43:11 nice, but what was you 'saying' by this piece of art ? 09:43:15 RTF suxx 09:43:28 so write HTML ;)) 09:43:37 i'll convert it to .txt soon 09:43:51 what do you think of the effect that happened to houses? :) 09:45:04 like they are tiny toys and you shot macro w/ long lens and shallow depth of sharpness 09:45:57 http://www.frame-fund.fi/aom/gaal/artwork-3.html 09:46:01 this one'äs interesting 09:46:10 miklos gaal has been studying on same dept than i am 09:46:17 he's more or less photographying now 09:46:19 though 09:47:12 anyway, what do you say by this work ? 09:47:43 it wasn't anything it supposed to be 09:47:56 what da hell blurry lens the guy used ?????? 09:48:12 my very 1st pics were sharper ! 09:48:21 sure 09:48:24 i uedited it :) 09:48:27 edited 09:48:33 it's still the same photo 09:48:55 i mean http://www.frame-fund.fi/aom/gaal/artwork-3.html 09:49:02 oh that one! 09:49:09 he used older kind og camera 09:49:16 you can rotate the axis of lense in that 09:49:21 those are cool 09:49:28 mega cool ;)) 09:49:29 they're pictures of helsinki 09:50:05 i like mosaic the most 09:50:17 puzzle, heh 09:51:28 but he'd better use short sharp lens 09:52:30 its intentionally made like that 09:52:35 look at 'excrcice day' left is sharp, right is blur - at same distance !!! yuck-bletch ! 09:52:45 to cause the effect of that they were pictures of miniatures 09:52:56 and not everything ought to be intentionally sharp 09:53:28 sure, but: 09:53:49 it must be sharp border between sharp and blur ! 09:54:05 smooth transition looks like tech scrap, not effect 09:54:29 i disagree 09:54:33 like in portrait: sharp face, blur far away 09:55:39 pictures can be all blur and still nice 09:57:19 but this ones hurt my eye 09:57:34 :) 10:10:58 oooops, 21:09 ;((( i gotta run home 10:11:19 bye ! 10:11:22 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 10:58:01 --- join: rO| (~rO|@p62.246.8.105.tisdip.tiscali.de) joined #forth 11:01:11 --- join: rO|_ (rO|@p62.246.48.35.tisdip.tiscali.de) joined #forth 11:20:23 --- quit: rO| (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:32:37 --- join: ayrnieu (~user@206.61.132.161) joined #forth 12:15:50 --- quit: rO|_ ("Leaving") 12:48:55 --- join: mmanning (~mmanning@saturn.vcsd.com) joined #forth 12:55:54 --- join: melinda (melinda@melinda.usercloak.freenode) joined #forth 14:03:23 --- quit: slava (Connection reset by peer) 14:04:14 --- join: slava (~slava@CPE0080ad77a020-CM.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 14:44:40 --- log: started forth/03.11.05 14:44:40 --- join: clog (nef@bespin.org) joined #forth 14:44:41 --- topic: 'where people get together to talk about CVT, stirling engines, tesla turbines, data structure and algorithm design, and occasionally Forth' 14:44:41 --- topic: set by kc5tja on [Wed Oct 15 21:47:35 2003] 14:44:41 --- names: list (clog slava melinda mmanning ayrnieu warp0x00 ianP TreyB skylan oooo MysticOne @ChanServ njd onetom mur) 14:55:46 --- part: slava left #forth 15:15:58 --- log: started forth/03.11.05 15:15:58 --- join: clog (nef@bespin.org) joined #forth 15:15:58 --- topic: 'where people get together to talk about CVT, stirling engines, tesla turbines, data structure and algorithm design, and occasionally Forth' 15:15:58 --- topic: set by kc5tja on [Wed Oct 15 21:47:35 2003] 15:15:58 --- names: list (clog melinda mmanning ayrnieu warp0x00 ianP TreyB skylan oooo MysticOne @ChanServ njd onetom mur) 15:36:59 --- join: arke (~chris@ca-cmrilo-cuda1-c3b-66.vnnyca.adelphia.net) joined #forth 15:37:45 greetings and salutations fellow earth creatures 15:38:56 --"-- 15:39:07 terve mur 15:39:17 teRRRRRRve 15:39:32 teRve 15:39:56 like everywhere else, i'll once more spam this picture i made and which i'm quite fond of at the moment 15:39:59 http://murr.host.sk/tmp/moskva-mystery.jpg 15:40:02 tell me what you think 15:40:23 orginal http://photofile.ru/default/do?sp=&sn=53246&id=737023 15:42:32 interesting.. 15:48:26 --- join: chandler (~darmok@64-145-60-36.client.dsl.net) joined #forth 15:49:07 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@h000094d30ba2.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 15:59:57 --- join: Sonarman (~matt@adsl-64-160-164-105.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 16:25:57 --- join: Crefinol (grunlar@dialin-884-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net) joined #forth 16:31:30 --- quit: warp0x00 (Client Quit) 16:34:28 --- join: warp0x00 (~warpzero@dsl.31.mt.onewest.net) joined #forth 16:39:33 * warp0x00 needs math help :( 16:43:08 math help? 16:43:23 yes 16:43:28 i need help with some math 16:43:34 what sort of math? 16:43:49 the kind with numbers? 16:43:56 :D 16:45:08 no, I mean like, trig, calculaus, algebra, or whatever 16:45:13 er 16:45:16 algebra i think 16:45:24 im trying to figure out a function for this sequence 16:46:36 just out of curiousity, what's the sequence? 16:47:06 1, 4, 10, 20, 35, 56 16:47:32 or (c * 1) + ((c - 1) * 2) + ... + (2 * (c - 1)) + (1 * c) as a function of c 16:48:35 i found a way to compute it recursively 16:49:33 hmmm 16:49:46 so that's the next number after 56 16:49:48 ? 16:50:44 84 16:51:14 it's a quartic polynomial I think 16:51:30 use the technique of making a table of x_n - x_(n-1) 16:51:34 until it becomes constant 16:51:53 so 3, 6, 10, 15, 21, 28 in this case 16:51:58 then 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 16:52:02 then 1, 1, 1, 1 16:52:12 i am like what 16:52:16 excuse me? 16:52:25 im confused 16:52:30 do you speak English well? 16:52:32 I think you lost me on that explanation ... bu I think the next number in the series would be 120 16:52:35 yeah 16:52:53 yeah 120 16:53:25 interesting. Dunno if this will help but here is what I worked on a scrap of paper ... 16:53:29 its also f(c) = f(c-2) + c^2 16:53:41 ok, take your sequence and look at successive differences 16:53:48 right 16:53:58 those differences are 3, 6, 10, 15, 21, 28 16:54:01 then I took the differences of the differences 16:54:04 then look at the differences in those 16:54:07 and got 3 4 5 6 7 ... 16:54:11 and look at the differences in those 16:54:14 that made it easy 16:54:25 because it took doing it four times to get to a constant factor, it's a quartic polynomial 16:54:27 so what does it mean then? 16:54:36 just build up the right constants 16:54:43 so how do i figure out what the quartic is? 16:54:48 * Crefinol scrathces head. sounds like you got it figured out? 16:55:00 hold on, I'll try to get an answer 16:55:10 basically construct the polynomial for each of those sequences 16:55:16 of course, the bottom sequence is x_n = 1 16:55:22 then x_n = n + 3 17:02:46 --- quit: ayrnieu (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:02:46 --- quit: onetom (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:02:47 --- quit: warp0x00 (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:02:47 --- quit: oooo (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:02:47 --- quit: MysticOne (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:02:47 --- quit: skylan (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:02:47 --- quit: Sonarman (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:02:47 --- quit: mmanning (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:02:48 --- quit: TreyB (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:02:48 --- quit: ChanServ (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:02:48 --- quit: njd (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:02:48 --- quit: melinda (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:02:48 --- quit: ianP (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:03:18 channel split? 17:03:35 major splittage 17:06:16 --- join: ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) joined #forth 17:06:16 --- join: ianP (ian@inpuj.net) joined #forth 17:06:16 --- join: melinda (melinda@melinda.usercloak.freenode) joined #forth 17:06:16 --- join: warp0x00 (~warpzero@dsl.31.mt.onewest.net) joined #forth 17:06:16 --- join: Sonarman (~matt@adsl-64-160-164-105.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 17:06:16 --- join: mmanning (~mmanning@saturn.vcsd.com) joined #forth 17:06:16 --- join: njd (~junk@njd.paradise.net.nz) joined #forth 17:06:16 --- join: MysticOne (mysticone@mysticone.usercloak.freenode) joined #forth 17:06:16 --- join: oooo (o@virgo.bombsquad.org) joined #forth 17:06:16 --- join: skylan (sjh@Sprint3005.tbaytel.net) joined #forth 17:06:16 --- join: TreyB (~trey@cpe-66-87-192-27.tx.sprintbbd.net) joined #forth 17:06:16 --- mode: orwell.freenode.net set +o ChanServ 17:06:33 --- join: onetom (~tom@cab.bio.u-szeged.hu) joined #forth 17:06:42 channel go boom 17:06:53 :) 17:06:54 :) 17:06:54 :) 17:06:55 that was weird 17:06:55 :) 17:06:56 :) 17:06:57 --- join: ayrnieu (~user@206.61.132.161) joined #forth 17:06:59 :) 17:07:01 :) 17:07:03 :) 17:07:06 :) 17:07:08 :) 17:07:11 :) 17:07:14 :) 17:07:16 12! 17:07:30 chandler: (1/6)c^3+(1/2)c^2+(1/3)c 17:11:13 hmmm 17:11:33 Crefinol: are you new to IRC? 17:11:49 pretty much, yeah 17:11:56 warp0x00: cool, that's right 17:11:59 what did you use to find it? 17:12:12 I was just brute-forcing something that would give me the correct differences 17:12:44 eet ees a netsleet 17:12:46 dunno why I said quartic above, when it was obvious from my explanation that it was cubic 17:12:47 chandler: that's amazing. I never would have figured that out 17:13:03 Crefinol: what's amazing? 17:13:39 chandler: asked my caclulator to do a regression 17:13:48 Crefinol: that was so called net split, when server loses connection the servers connected to that particular server and clients connected to any dropping servers 17:13:50 warp0x00: cheater! :-) 17:14:00 chandler: yes 17:14:04 will lose connection to others, so net will split into 2 parts 17:14:07 what you can do is look at n^3 - (n-1)^3 as a starting point for the differences 17:14:23 the server was connected so all the clients came back to with us, 17:14:48 they didn't joined irc like usually is done, but the server connected another server and the clients were connected to same server than ours 17:15:14 chandler: hmm now how do i reverse the function so if i give it a number it will give me the c 17:15:59 just solve n = (your equation) for c 17:16:37 okay 17:16:38 so 17:16:53 a = (1/6)c^3+(1/2)c^2+(1/3)c 17:17:02 yeah, solve for c, but it won't be pretty 17:17:26 i dunno if i can 17:17:27 hmm 17:17:43 http://common-lisp.net/paste/display/26 17:17:53 that's sufficiently ugly 17:17:59 its listp 17:18:01 lisp 17:18:04 evil! :) 17:18:13 holy whoa 17:18:19 * Crefinol hides under the table until the lisp goes away 17:18:31 oh, bah. I think everybody should know both lisp and forth 17:18:33 chandler: just kidding. just be aware that this is a forth channel :) 17:18:36 Crefinol: was my explanation of any help? 17:18:38 i know a little scheme. 17:18:43 oh, scheme, evil! 17:18:50 CL, evil! 17:18:58 Forth is teh best 17:19:01 but the URL is because I borrowed the pastebot I wrote to get that 17:19:02 because 17:19:05 Forth you can actually compile 17:19:17 uh? 17:19:26 * chandler smells a misconception 17:19:30 mur: yes. 17:19:49 You can compile forth programs if you use direct-threading, can't you? 17:20:31 arke: in what way can't you compile lisp? Common Lisp was designed to be compiled 17:20:38 eck?? 17:20:59 I don't understand... did you mean to say you can't compile lisp? 17:21:00 you can make a quine out of CL without reproducing teh code in an evil way (like for a C quine) 17:21:19 you can't natively compile lisp without a bunch of checks and workarounds 17:21:23 what??? 17:21:41 I think you are vastly mistaken 17:21:48 yes, there are type checks all over the place 17:21:53 but it's no less compiled because of it 17:22:12 and if you declare your types (yes, you can do this) and set safety to 0, most implementations will even dispense with the type checks 17:22:45 anyway, I didn't mean to start a language war. I know lisp, and I know some forth, and I won't bother comparing two VERY different beasts. 17:24:15 chandler: can i query you? 17:24:26 sure, I guess... 17:24:35 :) 17:28:24 * chandler wonders what arke meant about CL quines 17:35:16 fight! 17:35:35 * ianP grabs some peanuts and a beer 17:35:37 hehe 18:12:39 * warp0x00 is back (gone 01:38:15) 18:38:14 --- quit: arke ("reinstall :)") 18:44:24 bummer, I missed the math problem 18:44:29 looks like Calculus to me 18:48:01 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@66-91-231-74.san.rr.com) joined #forth 18:48:01 --- mode: ChanServ set +o kc5tja 18:50:20 hey kc5tja 18:50:21 sup 18:50:27 Howdy 18:50:33 Just relaxing a bit from work. 18:50:46 Thinking of doing some work on FS/Forth for Linux today. I've let it sit for far too long. 18:53:00 --- join: I440r (~mark4@12-178.lctv-a5.cablelynx.com) joined #forth 18:54:30 ls 18:54:43 err wrong window :/ 19:03:15 --- quit: Crefinol ("Client Exiting") 19:03:44 damn. I've forgotten how to do derivations and integrals 19:04:29 err i never knew at all! 19:04:29 lol 19:05:05 how do you get from: x + 2 to: xx/2 + 3x/2 + K 19:06:36 err 19:06:37 magic 19:06:41 thatws all i can say 19:06:46