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00:18:34 <rO|> good morning
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12:27:08 <snowrichard> hey dudes
12:27:21 <snowrichard> brb\
12:28:17 <snowrichard> ok
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12:28:47 <snowrichard> hi
12:28:50 <lma> hi
12:29:14 * lma is happy: dvorak is working better and better
12:30:51 <snowrichard> what is dvorak
12:31:12 <lma> the keyboard: asdfg -> aoeui
12:31:41 <lma> (but searching for aoeu on google gives a good tut)
12:31:50 <snowrichard> I spent a lot of years learning the qwerty one don't want to change now :) 
12:32:00 <lma> :)
12:32:30 <lma> anybody knows if there is a #fpga or #vlsi channel?
12:32:45 <snowrichard> hardware?
12:32:51 <lma> +
12:33:21 <snowrichard> sure we design chips while you wait.  takeout chip factory
12:33:52 <snowrichard> I wish
12:34:06 <lma> industry leading turn-key solution?
12:35:44 <snowrichard> don't know anything about chip design 
12:35:48 <snowrichard> :) 
12:36:20 <snowrichard> my dad's uncle designed the first TI calculator though
12:36:26 <snowrichard> Jerry merryman
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12:36:40 <TheBlueWizard> hiya all
12:36:44 <snowrichard> hey
12:36:51 <TheBlueWizard> hiya snowrichard
12:37:01 <snowrichard> updated my michael system
12:37:26 <snowrichard> going to do an IDE in GTK with glade next
12:37:31 <TheBlueWizard> "michael system"?
12:37:40 <snowrichard> little forth like language
12:38:03 <snowrichard> http://veteransinaction.org/michael
12:38:06 <TheBlueWizard> ah...so is it Linux based Forth system?
12:38:16 <snowrichard> has compiled on linux and os x
12:38:25 <TheBlueWizard> I see
12:38:36 <snowrichard> binary in the tarball is linux though
12:39:31 <snowrichard> using mandrake 9.2
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12:40:14 <TheBlueWizard> hiya proteusguy
12:40:58 <proteusguy> Howdy - long time no see. How's things going?
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12:42:21 <TheBlueWizard> doing fine...you?
12:44:21 <proteusguy> Staying busy... reconfiguring my laptop with latest windows and linux so got a new version of XChat running and thought I'd get back on.
12:45:03 <TheBlueWizard> ah
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18:48:04 <kc5tja> MysticOne: Yo.
18:48:16 <kc5tja> gahh, I just get to the keyboard, and I have to go afk for a bit.  >:(
18:49:04 <kc5tja> back
18:57:13 <MysticOne> kc5tja: heya
18:57:50 <kc5tja> Howdy.
18:58:01 <kc5tja> A most interesting day today.
18:58:13 <MysticOne> I gathered that from your e-mail :)
18:59:04 <MysticOne> kc5tja: where do you live now exactly?
19:00:04 <kc5tja> I live in University City, just off the 52 on-ramp from 5 south.
19:00:23 <kc5tja> So as you can see, when they closed off 163, 15, and parts of the 52, I was a bit worried.  :D
19:00:42 <MysticOne> hehe
19:01:01 <kc5tja> Interesting.  There's a 20-questions net on 40m.  :)
19:01:40 <kc5tja> Weird.  No news on Google or CNN about the plane crash.
19:01:49 <MysticOne> any idea why it crashed?
19:01:53 <kc5tja> None.
19:01:57 <kc5tja> That's what I was trying to find out.
19:02:04 <MysticOne> I wonder if it was related to the ash
19:02:24 <kc5tja> Visibility was about 5 to 10 feet before the crash.  It was really, really bad.
19:02:30 <kc5tja> He should NOT have been flying at all.
19:02:43 <Sonarman> what plane crash?
19:03:02 <kc5tja> A plane crashed into the 163 south-bound lane just in front of our In-N-Out restaurant.
19:03:29 <Sonarman> yikes
19:03:40 <kc5tja> The pilot walked away, apparently.
19:03:59 <kc5tja> Even though the plane basically disintegrated and erupted in a rather large mushroom cloud of fire and smoke.
19:05:21 <MysticOne> sounds... not fun
19:05:35 <kc5tja> Maybe not for him.
19:05:51 <kc5tja> I know I was in shock when I saw it.  :/
19:06:01 <kc5tja> It was the most freaky thing I'd ever seen.
19:06:08 <kc5tja> This night has changed me in very big ways.
19:06:50 <kc5tja> The wild fires alone were enough to make everyone at the restaurant be even more cohesive and tight-knit than we usually are.
19:07:01 <kc5tja> We were giving free food and drink to anyone who wore a uniform.
19:07:03 <kc5tja> Anyone.
19:07:19 <kc5tja> Policemen, CHP, paramedics, firemen, ...
19:07:27 <kc5tja> Even the military.
19:08:00 <kc5tja> We were routinely handing out 80 to 150 burger orders.
19:08:11 <ianP> thats crazy man
19:08:29 <ianP> i hope it gets better out there soon
19:08:31 <ianP> is it?
19:08:37 <kc5tja> Depends on where you live.
19:08:45 <kc5tja> So far, I seem to be safe.  But not if you live in the south.
19:08:53 <kc5tja> Well, even further south than where I live.
19:08:55 <kc5tja> It's still snowing ash.
19:09:06 <kc5tja> But the skies here are a little bit clearer.
19:09:40 <MysticOne> kc5tja: I want a burger :(
19:10:13 <kc5tja> I'm sure you do.
19:10:48 <MysticOne> I WANT ONE NOW!
19:10:51 <MysticOne> GIVE IT!
19:10:54 <ianP> wild...
19:10:59 <kc5tja> Wow, this sucks.  The 2m repeater that I used to always get with 5mW of power is now just barely above the noise floor here.
19:11:03 <MysticOne> ianP: do you want a burger too?
19:11:23 <kc5tja> MysticOne: Would you like onions on that?
19:11:27 <ianP> please
19:11:30 <MysticOne> kc5tja: sure
19:11:42 <kc5tja> Great.  Would you like some french fries with your burgers tonight?
19:11:50 <MysticOne> I'm sasd ... the most horrible place to get burgers and stuff here closed the other day :(
19:11:54 <ianP> please!!
19:11:57 <MysticOne> well, not horrible, but ... kinda bad
19:11:59 <ianP> there's this place down the street
19:12:02 <MysticOne> and yes, fries please!
19:12:07 <ianP> i get a sack  full of fries and my burger in waxpaper
19:12:13 <ianP> $3 - so many fries!
19:12:14 <kc5tja> Great.  Would you like something to drink as well?
19:12:16 <MysticOne> ianP: oooooh, yum
19:12:21 <MysticOne> kc5tja: Livewire MtDew!
19:12:22 <ianP> kc5tja: wow, you're helpful today!
19:12:27 <MysticOne> but I've never seen it in fountains :(
19:12:31 <ianP> hehe
19:12:47 <kc5tja> ianP: This is absolutely standard fare for In-N-Out.  Always.  You'll never find a rude INO employee.  Never.  They don't last long.  :)
19:13:12 <MysticOne> kc5tja: you're fired for being too nice
19:13:13 <kc5tja> MysticOne: I'm sorry, we don't have Mountain Dew.  We have coke, diet coke, rootbeer, 7-UP, lemonade, ice-tea, and water though.
19:13:23 <MysticOne> kc5tja: hmmm... lemonade!
19:13:34 <kc5tja> Alright.  Would you be eating here this evening?
19:13:41 <MysticOne> yes
19:13:42 <MysticOne> :)
19:13:52 <kc5tja> OK, here's your ticket.
19:13:55 <ianP> nice, i'd like to visit
19:13:58 <kc5tja> CHB
19:14:00 <kc5tja>   W
19:14:03 <kc5tja> FF
19:14:08 <MysticOne> wait... I didn't ask for no W!
19:14:09 <kc5tja> Med Coke
19:14:16 <kc5tja> Counter - Eat In
19:14:21 <kc5tja> Total: $1.5M
19:14:25 <ianP> ouch
19:14:26 <kc5tja> Order:: 86
19:14:29 <MysticOne> look, get rid of that there W!
19:14:34 <MysticOne> I don't eat upside down letters
19:14:39 <kc5tja> Sorry, so you really didn't want the onions then?
19:14:47 <MysticOne> can they be O?
19:14:57 <kc5tja> (W means "with everything")
19:15:01 <MysticOne> ohh...
19:15:04 <MysticOne> salmon?
19:15:07 <MysticOne> that might be good
19:15:17 <kc5tja> (Spread Lettuce Tomato is stock; W adds onions to it)
19:15:22 <MysticOne> I see :)
19:15:28 <kc5tja> WO is without onions
19:15:36 <kc5tja> SL is just spread and lettuce only (no tomato)
19:15:37 <ianP> that seems counterintuitive
19:15:49 <kc5tja> ianP: It is.
19:16:00 <kc5tja> But it makes sense in a weird sort of way.
19:16:11 <ianP> well, i guess it does.
19:16:14 <ianP> "with onions"
19:16:21 <ianP> is the other way around
19:16:33 <ianP> oh well :D
19:16:35 <kc5tja> There is a separate "O" for onions too, but it's used only in weird contexts.
19:17:17 <kc5tja> At any rate, I'm kind of glad MysticOne asked that question, because I'm being trained for order taking now, and I kind of need to know this stuff.  :D
19:17:57 <kc5tja> BTW, the meal that MysticOne would have ordered would have cost only $4.?? too.
19:18:11 <ianP> new job?
19:18:20 <kc5tja> If he ordered a double-double (aka 2x2), then it would have come to $5.06 precisely.  :D
19:18:34 <kc5tja> In the sense that I even HAVE a job, yes.
19:19:08 <MysticOne> afk for just a bit :)
19:20:21 <kc5tja> GEEZ!  The fires are now raging in Escondido.  :(
19:33:19 <kc5tja> Hmm...got some rolling blackouts going right now.
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19:51:06 <ianP> damn :/
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19:54:55 <kc5tja> It definitely seems to be raging more southward at the moment than westward.
19:55:06 <kc5tja> But that can change at a moment's notice come tomorrow morning.
19:56:06 <kc5tja> El Cajon is being evacuated at the moment.
19:59:55 <MysticOne> back
20:00:01 <MysticOne> kc5tja: you made me go out and get fast food
20:00:03 <MysticOne> kc5tja: bastard
20:02:38 <kc5tja> Heh
20:02:52 * kc5tja is hungry too, but I've been overeating of late, so I really don't want to get anything.
20:02:55 <MysticOne> went to wendys... everywhere else was closed
20:03:02 <kc5tja> Wendy's is good.
20:03:05 <kc5tja> Expensive, but good.
20:03:14 <MysticOne> not too bad
20:03:21 <I440r> i had the rest of the mac+cheeze i made last nite
20:03:25 <MysticOne> chicken nuggets++ :)
20:03:32 <I440r> with ALOT of shart cheddar!!!!
20:03:35 <I440r> yummie!
20:03:47 <MysticOne> kc5tja: I've been playing DDR *all* day
20:03:56 <I440r> ddr ?
20:04:08 <MysticOne> Dance Dance Revolution
20:04:12 <MysticOne> bought DDRMAX2 yesterday
20:04:20 * kc5tja can't stand that game.
20:04:26 <MysticOne> kc5tja: dude, it's *hard*
20:04:27 <MysticOne> and fun
20:04:28 <MysticOne> :)
20:04:36 <kc5tja> I know it's hard, but I just can't stand it.
20:04:45 <MysticOne> why?
20:04:45 <kc5tja> The music is crap, the concept is crap, ... :D
20:04:53 <kc5tja> (obviously this is all my personal opinion, so...)
20:04:54 <MysticOne> pfft, that's because you can't do it :)
20:05:07 <kc5tja> No, it's because I don't enjoy dancing.
20:05:10 <MysticOne> I have exercised more today than I have in a long time
20:05:13 <TreyB> Simply don't play.  It leaves more room for the rest of us :-)
20:05:14 <MysticOne> it's not dancing :)
20:05:31 <MysticOne> though I wish I could get out on the dance floor and show my 1337 moves from DDR
20:05:34 <kc5tja> MysticOne: Sure it is.  It's more like tap-dance, but it's still dancing.
20:05:38 <MysticOne> I've probably done about 70 songs today
20:05:43 <MysticOne> my legs hurt so much
20:05:55 <kc5tja> TreyB: I've never played it ... ever.
20:06:11 <MysticOne> kc5tja: if you ever visit me, you have to try it at least once ... in the comfort of home, it's pretty fun
20:06:16 <I440r> wtf is ddr ?
20:06:21 <MysticOne> I've never played in the arcade becase I know a little 12 year old asian kid will show me up
20:06:27 <kc5tja> MysticOne: I will politely decline.  :)
20:06:29 <MysticOne> I440r: it's a game, dance dance revolution
20:06:33 <I440r> oh
20:06:33 <I440r> bleh
20:06:44 * TreyB has it, and a pair of pads.
20:06:51 <kc5tja> My computer has 640MB of dance dance revolution RAM in it.  :D
20:06:51 <MysticOne> TreyB: it's great, isn't it?
20:06:55 <MysticOne> kc5tja: hehehe
20:07:26 <MysticOne> I only had Konamix before, which was fun, but not that fun
20:07:31 <MysticOne> it seems to be a lot harder than DDRMAX2
20:07:38 <TreyB> MysticOne: I like it, but I haven't mastered the hardest songs.
20:07:41 <MysticOne> but, they had DDRMAX2 at Wal-Mart last night for like $35, so I bought it
20:07:51 <MysticOne> TreyB: me neither, I'm 100% light mode at the moment with a few forays into standard :)
20:08:03 <TreyB> Oh.  I play standard mode.
20:08:14 <MysticOne> I can't do a lot of them in standard yet
20:08:16 <MysticOne> but, working up to it :)
20:08:20 <MysticOne> have you ever played Konamix?
20:08:22 <TreyB> No.
20:08:27 <TreyB> I only have DDRMAX.
20:08:41 <TreyB> I like to play in exercise mode.
20:09:15 <MysticOne> It has basic, tricky, and maniac ... and I can only do them in basic.  I've never been able to get anything above a B on it, though, because it just doesn't seem to let me ... same songs on DDRMAX2 and I can get AA
20:09:16 <TreyB> I wish you could queue up a bunch of songs and not break after each one.
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20:09:21 <MysticOne> yeah
20:09:24 <MysticOne> and just run all the way through
20:09:26 <MysticOne> workout mode is cool
20:09:31 <MysticOne> the melinda!
20:09:44 <kc5tja> mooooo!
20:09:48 <TreyB> Can they do that in DDRMAX2?
20:09:51 * melinda pokes at kc5tja
20:09:55 <MysticOne> TreyB: there's non-stop mode
20:09:58 <MysticOne> TreyB: but it still breaks
20:10:03 <MysticOne> and not in workout I don't think
20:10:20 <TreyB> Hmm.  For $35, I may have to get a copy.
20:10:33 <kc5tja> Wow.
20:10:48 <kc5tja> To go from Escondido to San Diego on the currently open freeways, it takes 6 hours.
20:10:56 <kc5tja> That's 0.5 miles per hour.  :D
20:11:00 <kc5tja> (trip average)
20:11:15 <MysticOne> so fast!
20:11:29 <kc5tja> Dude, I walk 5 times faster than that.  :)
20:11:44 <melinda> Thats one hell of a walk
20:11:56 <kc5tja> About 30 miles or so, yeah.
20:12:21 <melinda> well if you got tired you could always just sit on a car
20:12:37 <kc5tja> Chat with the drivers and all, yeah.  :)
20:12:46 <kc5tja> 0.5MPH?  That doesn't sound right.
20:13:02 <kc5tja> 30 miles / 6 hours = 5 miles / 1 hour -- sorry, 5 MPH.  :)
20:13:10 <kc5tja> Damn decimal points.
20:13:13 <TreyB> Or about twice as fast as you walk.
20:13:14 * kc5tja is tired.
20:13:35 <kc5tja> Trey, but about the same speed as the average bicycle trip of the same length up a steep hill.
20:14:13 <TreyB> I live in Houston.  I don't know the meaning of "steep hill".
20:14:21 <MysticOne> TreyB: poor man ...
20:14:29 <MysticOne> I was over there not too long ago
20:14:33 <MysticOne> bidness trip
20:14:54 <TreyB> What kind of bidness?
20:14:54 <kc5tja> On flat road, I can do 12 to 20MPH on my bike, depending on wind conditions.
20:15:12 <TreyB> kc5tja: we got lots of flat.  Miles and miles of it.
20:15:17 <MysticOne> wireless networking stuff
20:15:49 <TreyB> Cool.  I hang out in in the Houston Wireless User Group channel on this server.
20:16:00 <MysticOne> coolness :)
20:16:04 <kc5tja> TreyB: Do you have a community area network set up?
20:17:08 <TreyB> kc5tja: I don't, but the HWUG folks set them up.  I live in the country on 7 acres.  I'd need special antennae just to get to the nearest neighbors.
20:17:13 <MysticOne> "Hey, where are you?"  "I'm on the CAN"
20:17:41 <kc5tja> TreyB: Yep.  That's the type of thing we hams have to deal with all the time.  :D
20:17:42 <MysticOne> TreyB: we were wirelessly enabling the Midtown properties on, umm... Bagby and somethingerother
20:17:45 <kc5tja> And we do it all for the fun of it too.
20:17:47 <MysticOne> apartment complexes
20:18:12 <TreyB> MysticOne: downtown.
20:18:27 <MysticOne> TreyB: yeah
20:18:30 <MysticOne> kinda ...
20:18:31 <MysticOne> :)
20:18:37 <MysticOne> I can't remember what all the roads are
20:18:38 <TreyB> I live in Alvin about 30+ miles SSE of downtown.
20:18:58 <MysticOne> yeah, I doubt you're in range :)
20:19:21 <TreyB> I get my 'net access wirelessly through Sprint Wireless Broadband though.
20:19:51 <TreyB> I live too far from the CO for xDSL and the cable companies have never heard of my zip code.
20:20:41 <kc5tja> That's typical of big utility companies.
20:23:23 <MysticOne> hehehe
20:23:39 <MysticOne> TreyB: Sprint isn't doing that anymore, are they?  Like, new customers?
20:24:10 <TreyB> Not that I know of.  I got in a few weeks before they stopped taking new customers.
20:24:15 <MysticOne> ahhh
20:24:29 <MysticOne> we're providing wireless Internet access in my area, and working to expand it elsewhere as well
20:24:32 <MysticOne> (such as Houston) 
20:24:37 <MysticOne> but, still in the early stages
20:24:54 <TreyB> "We"?
20:25:06 <MysticOne> my employer
20:25:12 <MysticOne> hence why it was business when I was in Houston :)
20:25:27 <melinda> MysticOne: And bob the midget from Tijuanna
20:25:27 <TreyB> You missed the opportunity for a free plug.  You'll never make it into marketing.
20:25:37 <MysticOne> hehehe
20:25:40 <MysticOne> I don't handle that :)
20:25:45 <MysticOne> CityNet is the company
20:25:48 <TreyB> Ok.
20:25:48 <MysticOne> www.citynetinfo.com
20:27:30 <MysticOne> very interesting field too
20:28:13 <MysticOne> I'd have it at my house right now if I'd get off my butt and put up a pole with an antenna on it
20:28:58 <kc5tja> I thought you already HAD a pole with an antenna on it.
20:29:06 <kc5tja> What happened to it?
20:30:02 <MysticOne> dude, that was so year and a half ago
20:30:20 <MysticOne> I moved
20:30:21 <MysticOne> :)
20:30:24 <MysticOne> I had a 30 foot tower
20:30:28 <MysticOne> we don't have service out there yet anyway :)
20:30:48 <kc5tja> My rear end.  :)  You were complaining about how you were getting such bad reception, while your boss was getting excellent reception, despite living further away from you.  Remember?
20:31:12 <MysticOne> that was when he was testing at a customer site, and I was holding up an antenna by the window pointing at the tower :)
20:31:22 <MysticOne> no pole :)
20:31:23 <kc5tja> You never told me that.
20:31:37 <MysticOne> I probably don't need it to be up very high
20:31:59 <MysticOne> and with the card that I'm using, directly hooked into the antenna I'm pushing 2 watts, so I probably have enough power :)
20:32:03 <MysticOne> or 1 watt...
20:32:06 <MysticOne> but I think it's 2
20:38:37 <MysticOne> man, I'm going old school now ... listening to Alice in Chains' unplugged album
20:38:44 <MysticOne> haven't listened to this in...  man, years
20:39:24 <kc5tja> Wind is starting to kick up again somewhere in San Diego.  No precise location information yet, but the fire is starting to kick up again as a result.  :(
20:39:32 <MysticOne> :(
21:06:13 <MysticOne> my legs hurrrtt
21:06:30 <kc5tja> El Cajon has another 10 homes devestated by raging flames.
21:07:01 <kc5tja> The wind is kicking up again there.  Firemen have retreated.
21:07:29 <kc5tja>  http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/031026/480/ny11310262336
21:08:06 <MysticOne> damn
21:08:52 <kc5tja> Yeah :(
21:09:47 <kc5tja> Oops -- firemen are trying to make a new stand to fight the fire with.
21:10:10 <MysticOne> hopefully it's not a wooden stand
21:10:11 <kc5tja> Slightly further away (so it's still technicall a retreat)
21:11:11 <kc5tja> And this is just one day.
21:11:14 <MysticOne> yeah
21:11:22 <kc5tja> We still have at least one more day of this to deal with.
21:11:22 <MysticOne> definitely a major fire :(
21:11:25 <kc5tja> Yes.
21:11:31 <kc5tja> Second largest in all of San Diego's history.
21:12:53 <MysticOne> man, this music brings back so many memories
21:14:40 <MysticOne> sad that there won't ever be any more AiC :(
21:23:59 * kc5tja is away: food
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22:13:02 <MysticOne> listening to some nice PF now
22:13:03 <MysticOne> hiya foxchip :)
22:13:27 <foxchip> hi
22:13:54 <foxchip> just trying out a different chat program
22:14:03 <foxchip> any discussions going on?
22:14:05 <MysticOne> chatzilla, apparently :)
22:14:10 <MysticOne> nahh, nobody is really around at the moment ... 
22:15:27 <foxchip> comp.lang.forth has been unusually quiet ever since that internet worm spammed the posters there with tons of junk
22:15:49 <foxchip> what program are you using?
22:16:14 <MysticOne> I use irssi
22:16:27 <foxchip> how did you know that I was trying chatzilla?
22:16:33 <MysticOne> it changes your ident to say it
22:16:37 <MysticOne> 00:12:30 -!- foxchip [~chatzilla@adsl-209-182-168-45.value.net] has joined #forth
22:17:05 <foxchip> ah, I didn't see that message...
22:17:22 <foxchip> I guess you don't see the message when you join
22:18:05 <MysticOne> that's correct
22:25:32 <foxchip> I hadn't planned to say long, just wanted to see what the user interface was like on chatzilla
22:27:08 <foxchip> I guess things are rather quiet here anyway.  Bye
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22:33:12 * kc5tja is back (gone 01:09:12)
22:34:11 * kc5tja is away: recording a record...
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22:34:57 <Serg_Penguin> hi-i-i !
22:35:18 <Serg_Penguin> first snow here ;))
22:36:19 <kc5tja> Over 208,000 acres here destroyed by wild fire.
22:36:40 <Serg_Penguin> http://photofile.ru/default/do?aid=49866
22:36:43 <Serg_Penguin> oops !
22:36:45 <kc5tja> Check the news sites on the Internet for more details.  Right now, I have to go -- helping a roommate record an album.
22:36:53 <Serg_Penguin> are you in danher ?
22:37:03 <Serg_Penguin> danGer ?
22:37:03 <kc5tja> No -- San Diego
22:37:19 <Serg_Penguin> ok
22:37:32 <kc5tja> anyway, gotta go.  :)
22:41:47 <Serg_Penguin> good luck !
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