00:00:00 --- log: started forth/03.10.25 03:10:05 --- quit: I440r_ (Connection timed out) 03:28:05 --- quit: I440r (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:44:36 --- quit: arke_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:04:13 --- quit: fridge (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:38:32 --- join: arke_ (~arke@adsl-68-22-248-48.dsl.chmpil.ameritech.net) joined #forth 09:35:38 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@66-91-231-74.san.rr.com) joined #forth 09:35:38 --- mode: ChanServ set +o kc5tja 10:06:55 --- join: jamc (dne@as3-6-8.asp.s.bonet.se) joined #forth 10:19:25 --- quit: kc5tja ("THX QSO ES 73 DE KC5TJA/6 CL ES QRT AR SK") 11:01:38 --- join: Sonarman (~user@adsl-67-113-235-95.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 11:02:50 --- quit: Sonarman (Client Quit) 11:06:42 --- join: Sonarman (~matt@adsl-67-113-235-95.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 11:33:23 --- join: slava (~slava@CPE0080ad77a020-CM.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 13:33:02 --- join: fridge (~matt@dsl-203-33-161-228.NSW.netspace.net.au) joined #forth 14:40:44 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@pc44dn1d.ppp.fcc.net) joined #forth 14:40:45 --- mode: ChanServ set +o TheBlueWizard 14:40:50 hiya all 14:45:04 hi 14:48:18 --- join: fridge_ (~fridge@dsl-203-33-161-228.NSW.netspace.net.au) joined #forth 14:48:29 wha't up tbw? 14:56:20 terve! just finished watching TV...now chatting with my buddy on another channel 14:58:58 :) 14:59:28 will chat with you in a half hour 15:02:04 i should go sleep insterad 15:02:49 hehe 15:41:00 mur: you still awake? :) 15:42:22 yes 15:42:36 havent manage to go sleep 15:42:50 i'm in bed though and lights are closed 15:42:52 :) 15:42:56 insomniac, eh? 15:43:33 no 15:43:34 irc 15:43:43 do you use mac? 15:44:11 http://versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/21312 is definately worth every byte :D 15:44:29 no...right now I use Winblows (I have Linux on the laptop, but it is half broken now) 15:45:14 * TheBlueWizard notes the brken nature is hardware part...not Linux's fault :) 15:49:21 --- join: John_Pete (~japeters@adsl-67-123-184-133.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) joined #forth 15:49:49 http://planetlee.net/dm.html parody of apple's site 15:50:14 Any one interested in data mineing CLF? 16:41:24 well, gotta go...bye all 16:41:49 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 16:43:07 gn 17:17:41 --- quit: fridge_ (Remote closed the connection) 17:50:32 John_Pete: thatis? 17:58:59 --- quit: jamc ("YOW!!") 18:27:10 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@66-91-231-74.san.rr.com) joined #forth 18:27:10 --- mode: ChanServ set +o kc5tja 19:03:21 --- join: I440r (~mark4@12-178.lctv-a5.cablelynx.com) joined #forth 19:03:48 trying the windows version of xchat cuz mirc is nagware 19:04:13 * kc5tja nods 19:04:48 I440r: i haven't used it, but HydraIRC looks pretty good 19:04:50 Hmmm 19:04:53 I440r: what about chatzilla? 19:05:08 I suppose I should build that Tesla turbine and start documenting it for arke. :D 19:05:42 i wanna build one of those 19:05:49 but my father dropped the lathe 19:05:51 duh 19:05:55 :( 19:06:31 Well, at least with a paper turbine, you don't need a lathe. (Though, you do still need an exacto knife to cut out the exhaust vents). 19:06:36 :) 19:07:11 * kc5tja wants to build a simple torque converter using Tesla turbines, just to play with it. 19:07:32 Maybe someday, even attach it to my bike just to see how everything works together. 19:07:33 sounds like fun 19:07:53 I don't expect it to be terribly efficient, but hey...it's all about the fun-factor. :) 19:08:01 lol 19:11:11 kc5tja: well.. xmas is approacing... its an ideal winter sport 2 fabricate tesla turbines ;) 19:14:30 Hehe ;) 19:14:37 whois slava ? 19:14:40 * kc5tja wants to build a Tesla compressor next. 19:14:43 ive not seen him/her b4 19:14:59 what is a tesla compressor ? 19:15:55 A tesla turbine spinning under outside mechanical control. It sucks air in through the "exhaust", and slings it out to the periphery. 19:16:19 ohhh 19:16:21 The compressor needs a snail-shaped rotor housing though, to change the fast-moving air into high-pressure air. 19:16:33 hmm if you blow air into the exhaust does it spin ? 19:16:42 No 19:16:52 pity heh 19:17:16 However, if you have a Tesla (expander) turbine, you CAN place a vacuum on the exhaust, and it'll spin, though not nearly as well. 19:29:53 Well, I'm officially missing quite a bit of my old equipment. :( 19:30:21 I no longer have my battery charger, the batteries to go with it, nor do I have my stack of ball bearings that I used to get my first set of turbines spinning freely. :( 19:30:54 I don't have my hole punch anymore, nor do I have any of my old art supplies, including the X-acto knife, my very expensive compass, etc. >:( 19:35:41 where it all go ? 19:43:33 I440r, im writing an interpreter for a forth-like language in java 19:44:50 cool 19:44:58 so your new in #forth? 19:45:04 fresh blood :) 19:45:04 yes 19:45:09 excelent! 19:45:14 the language is like a functional forth 19:45:24 eg [1 2 3 4 5 6] [dup *] map 19:45:37 would leave [1 4 9 16 25 36] on the stack 19:46:07 its used to script a few things in a game i'm making, like character interaction and missions. most of the game is in java 19:46:30 cool 19:47:24 what sorta game ? 19:47:31 rpg 19:47:53 but replace "dragons and swords" with "drug dealing and guns" :-) 19:48:25 cool hhe 19:48:33 brb 19:50:11 err i want to unmount /dev/hda6 from /var and mount /dev/hda8 as /var 19:50:15 how would i do that ? 19:50:24 cant unmount /var - its in use 19:50:29 mount -remount ? 20:04:20 I don't know. 20:04:28 * kc5tja is taking the pictures for the turbine now, though. 20:11:18 --- quit: I440r (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:12:40 --- join: I440r (~mark4@12-178.lctv-a5.cablelynx.com) joined #forth 20:41:31 --- quit: I440r (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:41:41 --- join: I440r (~mark4@12-178.lctv-a5.cablelynx.com) joined #forth 20:41:53 --- quit: I440r (Client Quit) 20:42:04 OK, got the eight discs cut out, including exhaust/intake vents. 20:42:42 Taking a short break right now. Next up is placing and gluing the spacer dots together on the discs, so that when everything is assembled, the discs are the right distance apart. 20:43:26 --- join: jma (jma@dialup-67.31.180.241.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net) joined #forth 20:43:35 anyone active? or just idling? 20:44:02 We're sort of active. 20:44:19 hehe... anyone mind checking out a URL I just threw up 20:44:28 see if it is concise and makes sense? 20:44:33 What's the URL? 20:44:39 http://www.simforth.com/mf 20:44:56 I plan on expanding it with more of a thesis type design 20:46:25 --- join: I440r (~mark4@12-178.lctv-a5.cablelynx.com) joined #forth 20:46:48 I440r: checkout http://www.simforth.com/mf 20:49:10 I like it. This is precisely the basic premise I had in mind when considering using the Steamer16 instruction set (8 instruction MISC with no return stack and only 3-deep data stack) for writing portable software. 20:49:23 glad you like it 20:49:25 Only I was going to do the machine translation at load-time, not at assemble time. 20:49:26 thank you :) 20:49:34 interesting 20:50:00 the advantage of assemble time (for me) is that I can create CODE words, too 20:51:16 Yep. 20:51:37 I was looking at my solution more for a cross-platform, Java-like executable format -- write once, run anywhere kind of thing. 20:51:48 that would be nice 20:52:25 I chose the Steamer16 because of how utterly restricted its instruction set is, and to achieve certain goals, common patterns show up literally everywhere. 20:52:26 :) 20:53:04 exactly! that was my goal here: make the instruction set small (and useful) enough that patterns become very simple! 20:53:56 kc5: do you use VC++ on Win32? 20:54:19 trying to get NMAKE with a makefile to work and its driving me nuts 20:55:07 When/if I do development on WIn32, yes. 20:55:19 I have no experience with hand-editing NMake files. 20:55:23 hehe... i think i may have gotten it... 20:55:28 brb -- bathroom 20:55:37 just my environment variables are wrong 20:57:40 Ahh 20:57:47 got it 20:57:59 first it couldnt find NMAKE.EXE then a DLL was missing, blah blah blah 20:58:06 once i got it set up it worked alright 20:59:58 any suggestions for my meta-compiler from the work you've done? 21:07:35 I haven't done any work on the virtual machine; I'd only gone so far as the idea stage, and that's it. 21:09:07 ah ok 21:09:19 perhaps when you get there my research may help a little :P 21:09:44 When I began this project, I found that there was little to no information on meta-compiling (like I'm doing) out there 21:09:59 I'm hoping to put together a large information base for others 21:10:20 Maybe. 21:11:03 As I understand the term "meta-compile," a meta-compiler is a compiler that can compile itself from within itself. 21:11:36 I think what you're doing is more along the lines of cross-compiling or virtual machine translation. 21:11:38 If that's the definition, then that's not what I've done :P 21:11:59 I'll have to figure that one out :) 21:13:31 Best place is on comp.lang.forth as to what the difference between a target compiler and meta-compiler is. 21:14:27 I frequent there, and enjoy many of the threads. But I find that some there are very quick to ridicule (ie better have all your i's dotted and t's crossed) 21:17:43 afk for a little while 21:19:54 Too many there are too quick to ridicule. 21:35:40 A meta compiler target compiles to the same processor as it is running on. 21:35:58 It is saved as a file and then reloaded to continue but on the same machine. 21:47:42 hello 22:01:40 re 22:01:51 * kc5tja just finished gluing on all the spacer dots on the turbine discs. 22:01:58 Now to let it sit for 24 hours so that they're good and dry. 22:22:21 back... thanks for the definition, John_Pete 22:23:52 cya l8r 22:23:55 --- quit: jma () 22:36:32 Meta compiling looks like magic till you know how it is done (Chicken and egg) 22:36:42 Any one ther have Win32Forth? 22:37:09 I am trying to change the Colons-only function to No->quotes 22:37:29 I can crash the system but not make it work correctly. 22:38:34 I do not have Win32Forth. 22:38:44 and, alas, I must also retire for the evening. 22:39:16 night! :) 22:39:18 --- quit: kc5tja ("THX QSO ES 73 DE KC5TJA/6 CL ES QRT AR SK") 22:42:09 Good evening 22:56:13 --- quit: arke_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23:00:43 --- quit: Sonarman ("leaving") 23:32:13 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@216.27.161.121) joined #forth 23:34:56 --- quit: proteusguy (Client Quit) 23:35:01 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@216.27.161.121) joined #forth 23:37:02 --- quit: John_Pete (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23:37:02 --- quit: MysticOne (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23:37:02 --- quit: ianP (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23:37:15 --- join: John_Pete (~japeters@adsl-67-123-184-133.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) joined #forth 23:37:15 --- join: ianP (ian@inpuj.net) joined #forth 23:37:15 --- join: MysticOne (mysticone@mysticone.usercloak.freenode) joined #forth 23:50:21 --- quit: John_Pete (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:58:07 --- join: yo|da (~yo|da@217.229.157.190) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/03.10.25