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04:41:06 <snowrichard> morning
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09:57:30 <MysticOne> question ... could anyone recommend a good primer/tutorial/something for beginning one's education of forth?
09:57:41 <onetom> phf..
09:58:13 <onetom> well.. gforth already has a good primer included into its docs
09:58:26 <MysticOne> hmmm... honestly, I never looked there
09:58:26 <MysticOne> hold :)
09:58:53 <onetom> its only there for 2 yrs or so, not more
09:59:07 <onetom> its was only a reference earlier
09:59:53 <MysticOne> it's apparently wasn't included in this installation of gforth (from fink on OS X)
10:03:08 <MysticOne> I see the tutorial now
10:03:12 <MysticOne> was on their site
10:03:13 <MysticOne> thanks :)
10:04:01 <I440r> hi MysticOne :)
10:04:16 <I440r> MysticOne do you have a dos boot partition too ?
10:04:22 <I440r> do a search for fprimer.zip
10:04:40 <MysticOne> I440r: nope, sure don't
10:04:51 <I440r> he ok :)
10:04:58 <I440r> do you code assembler ?
10:06:11 <MysticOne> nope
10:06:29 <MysticOne> I honestly barely code at all ... but, one of my friends has really interested me in forth
10:06:32 <I440r> u shud learn that too
10:06:42 <I440r> does he come in here ??? :)
10:06:48 <I440r> forth isa REALY good language
10:06:52 <I440r> puts c to shame
10:06:52 <MysticOne> especially after my experience with other languages (C, C++) and scripted things (Perl, Python)
10:06:55 <MysticOne> yeah, kc5tja
10:07:07 <I440r> cool
10:07:30 <MysticOne> I only know little bits of it so far
10:07:40 <MysticOne> but it just seems to be so elegant, to make so much sense yet be so simple
10:08:04 <I440r> thats what makes it better than c
10:08:08 <I440r> its simple
10:09:14 <MysticOne> yeah
10:09:34 <MysticOne> I've been trying to get into some useful coding with C/C++ for a while, but ... it's just so complicated for no apparent reason
10:10:59 <I440r> how do i split a file into two files of equal size in linux ?
10:11:17 <I440r> danmn even THAt might not be right here :(
10:18:04 <skylan> split?
10:23:12 <I440r> yes - make 2 files from one - but i dont know where the split actually is
10:23:20 <I440r> this is two joined files :/
10:43:06 <Robert> Hey
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14:28:27 <arke> hello favorite channel :)
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17:25:30 <TheBlueWizard> hiya all
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17:35:03 <TheBlueWizard> gotta go...bye all
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18:23:03 <kc5tja> EEEK!!!
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19:02:32 <rO|> hi
19:04:40 --- nick: rO| -> knoppix
19:06:06 * knoppix could need some help atm
19:06:46 <knoppix> some1 w/ nfs knowledge around?
19:15:48 <kc5tja> Nope
19:16:00 * kc5tja always turns off NFS support in all his Linux installations.
19:16:28 <kc5tja> The only think I know about it is it's a pretty nasty security hole.  :D
19:16:41 <kc5tja> (because NFS servers are unautheticated)
19:23:10 <MysticOne> you can make them only allow connections from specific IPs, users, etc., though
19:23:16 <MysticOne> not secure by any means ... but it works :)
19:24:11 * kc5tja nods
19:24:18 <kc5tja> I just don't deal with it.
19:24:25 <MysticOne> hehe
19:24:28 <MysticOne> and there's always iptables!
19:24:56 <arke> y0
19:29:51 <kc5tja>  ... must ... get ... free ... time ...
19:30:53 <MysticOne> kc5tja: no, time costs money!  it's $3.95/minute
19:30:59 <MysticOne> but you get some hot phone convos
19:32:53 * arke yaaawns
19:32:55 <kc5tja> No, I need some free time to work on my stuff.
19:33:14 <kc5tja> I need time to work on FS/Forth, its documentation, I need money to actually build the 6502 SBC, etc.
19:33:17 <kc5tja> Lots of work.
19:33:21 <kc5tja> Next to no resources to do it with.
19:36:35 <kc5tja> Though, I suppose the nicest thing I have going for me is that I can at least simulate the circuit on the computer really easily.  :-)
19:36:38 * MysticOne nods
19:36:41 <MysticOne> :)
19:36:55 <MysticOne> it's funny ... one of my friends and I are talking right now about what we'd do if we never had to work for a living
19:37:03 <MysticOne> I need to buy lottery tickets again
19:37:08 <MysticOne> $1/week isn't too bad of an investment
19:44:53 <kc5tja> I dont' do the lottery thing.
19:45:12 <MysticOne> I don't normally ...
19:45:19 <MysticOne> but $1/week for the chance to win millions isn't too bad I don't think
19:46:07 <kc5tja> Hey, that's $52 a year I could be spending on more useful things, like comic books, pr0n, or even better, a pack of 10 fresnel magnifying lenses to smoke little ants with.  :D
19:50:38 <MysticOne> pr0n!
19:53:35 <kc5tja> Wow.  20m is dead.
19:53:45 <kc5tja> There's usually at least one QSO going on 20m at this time of night...
19:55:53 <kc5tja> WTF?  There are a ton of voice signals in the CW-only subband of 40m!!
19:56:01 <kc5tja> Rude ass mother fuckers...
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19:58:57 <MysticOne> interesting
19:59:14 <MysticOne> I know!  it must be those countries where they no longer require CW!
19:59:16 <MysticOne> yeah, that's it
19:59:21 <MysticOne> because it's not an adequate filtering method
19:59:51 <kc5tja> DAMN THEM!  DAMN THEM TO HELL!  HELL I SAY!!!  FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!  AND RED-HOT BRANDING MORSE KEYS!!!
19:59:52 <kc5tja> :D
20:00:20 <MysticOne> hehehehe
20:00:46 <MysticOne> did you see qrz.com finally made a policy that if anyone tried to make a non-CW related discussion pro or con about CW, their posts would be deleted?
20:00:52 <kc5tja> Yes
20:00:54 <kc5tja> Thank god!
20:00:59 <MysticOne> yeah
20:01:01 <MysticOne> took them long enough
20:01:06 <MysticOne> "Bob Smith SK..."
20:01:19 <MysticOne> "Yeah, but if Bob had used CW and not SSB, God wouldn't have killed him."
20:01:43 <kc5tja> DELETEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!b
20:01:50 <MysticOne> wow
20:01:52 <MysticOne> you're quite vocal in here
20:01:57 <MysticOne> oh wait
20:01:58 <kc5tja> :P
20:02:01 <MysticOne> you're +o here, you can do what you want
20:02:08 * MysticOne chuckles
20:02:38 <MysticOne> hey, futhin is the channel owner?  haven't seen him in a long time
20:02:44 <kc5tja> YEp
20:02:52 <kc5tja> He comes in as either cduce or thin now-a-days though.
20:02:59 <kc5tja> I440r is the one who actually started the channel though.
20:03:05 <MysticOne> ahhh
20:07:12 <kc5tja> MysticOne: BTW, if you have a Forth question, and I'm not here to answer it, you can leave the question on our web forum for me to see: http://forum.forth.bespin.org
20:07:29 <kc5tja> Just let me know you did it, though, because I don't check it often.
20:11:18 <MysticOne> okies :)
20:11:25 <MysticOne> I was going through the gforth tutorial today
20:11:28 <MysticOne> trying to get melinda to do it too
20:11:38 <kc5tja> Interesting.
20:11:39 <kc5tja> :)
20:11:59 <kc5tja> How has that been going?
20:18:27 <MysticOne> I didn't get far into it today
20:19:42 <MysticOne> and haven't gotten her to try it yet
20:19:49 <MysticOne> she doesn't really want to, but, I'm pushing her to give it a shot
20:19:55 <MysticOne> I think if she got into it, she might enjoy it
20:33:16 <kc5tja> Well, it definitely takes an interesting mindset to learn Forth.  :)
20:33:26 <kc5tja> Forth is extremely utilitarian in nature.
20:34:29 <MysticOne> yeah
20:34:35 <kc5tja> Forth typically isn't a programming language which gives you what you want, but if you're careful, you can get what you need.
20:34:40 <MysticOne> well heck, just like us talking yesterday about order of operations
20:34:46 <MysticOne> it makes so much sense
20:34:50 <kc5tja> And I find I prefer that over what I want sometimes.
20:35:01 <MysticOne> it just interests me so much because it's different
20:35:16 <MysticOne> so many other, mainstream languages, are just ... so similar
20:35:18 <MysticOne> anyway, afk for a bit :)
20:35:21 <kc5tja> okies
20:35:37 <kc5tja> Sorry for being sorta AFK myself -- helping my roommates with some stuff.
20:47:42 <kc5tja> At some point, I'd like to keep all my business-related records inside FS/Forth.
20:47:50 <kc5tja> At the present time, though, I'm using Gnumeric.
20:47:50 <kc5tja> :)
20:53:51 <arke> is find the DOS equivalent of grep?
20:58:29 <kc5tja> I don't know -- I haven't used it in so long.
20:58:34 <arke> ACK!!!
20:58:40 <arke> i cant make it be recursive
20:58:41 <arke> im f00ked
20:58:58 <kc5tja> Oh, you mean with respect to finding files.
21:18:14 <MysticOne> oh well, bed for me
21:18:15 <MysticOne> g'nyght!
21:29:17 <arke> night
21:29:23 <arke> grr
21:29:32 <arke> VS.NET is such a big hunk of shit
21:29:41 <arke> 2GB worth of shit
21:30:50 <arke> hmph
21:30:53 <arke> screw it
21:31:05 <arke> im gonna try and see if i can get it to work with mingw or something
21:31:15 <arke> VS.NET is just not cutting it
21:31:32 * arke shouldn't be talking about this in a forth channel lol
21:39:49 <kc5tja> I don't even know what VS.NET is.
21:46:39 * kc5tja just got done working up a balance sheet for himself.
21:47:30 <kc5tja> Visual Studio .NET -- just found it on Google.  :)
21:52:15 * arke should be coding forth :)
21:52:25 * arke codes some forth
21:55:17 * arke has an urge to do graphics
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22:01:30 <arke> VBE in Pygmy ... :D
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22:11:20 <kc5tja> :)
22:11:33 * kc5tja is still hacking away on his financial statement.s
22:11:49 * kc5tja needs to get a substantially more concrete grasp of where his money is going, what it's doing for him, etc.
22:12:07 <kc5tja> I've come too close to being so broke that I ran the serious risk of not having a house to live in.
22:12:48 <kc5tja> Not that I was spending too much, but a combination of being unemployed and spending money in the wrong areas.
22:13:34 <arke> heh
22:13:37 <kc5tja> According to my balance sheet, though, I somehow managed to owe myself $103.00.  :-)
22:13:45 <arke> like, on a computer and net connection for IRC? :P
22:13:50 <kc5tja> (I somehow managed to acquire $103.00 in equity)
22:13:55 <kc5tja> No.
22:13:56 <arke> :)
22:14:00 <kc5tja> Those are investments well spent.
22:14:16 <arke> hrm ... VBE needs me to set aside 512 bytes for itself
22:14:22 <kc5tja> Besides, they've been paid for back when I had my last job.
22:14:25 <arke> :P
22:14:35 <kc5tja> Ditto for my $2500 ham radio.  :-)
22:15:09 <arke> ack :)
22:15:12 <kc5tja> Running the numbers, if things will go as I expect them tomorrow, I'll then owe myself $136.66.
22:15:27 <arke> :)
22:15:31 <arke> thats great :)
22:15:33 <kc5tja> I really have no idea where this equity is coming from.
22:15:39 <arke> lol
22:15:44 <kc5tja> Yeah, I just lack the cash to actually pay myself this amount.  :)
22:15:57 * kc5tja will have to ask my mother (who used to work for a bank) where this equity is coming from.
22:16:25 <arke> i currently have ...$217.92
22:16:42 <arke> but then again, i don have to pay for home, food, etc.
22:18:59 <arke> :)
22:19:05 <arke> HRM
22:19:20 <arke> word = 2 bytes, need 512 bytes for Vesa = 256 ALLOT
22:19:26 <arke> CREATE 256 ALLOT ,
22:19:27 <arke> :)
22:30:13 <arke> does this seem right:
22:30:38 <arke> code vbe-call bl al mov, $4f #, ah mov, $10 #, int, bx pop, nxt, end-code
22:37:08 <arke> FF FF 00 00 00hrm
22:37:16 <arke> it just seemed to have crahed...
22:37:16 <arke> lol
22:37:28 <arke> ff ff 00 00 00
22:37:36 <arke> thats the opcode supposedly that was wrong
22:37:55 <arke> anyway, i htink im gonna go sleep now :)
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23:47:29 <kc5tja> arke: No, you'd use 512 ALLOT
23:47:40 <kc5tja> ALLOT takes bytes, not words.
23:48:10 <kc5tja> Sorry for taking so long -- I ended up watching a movie.  "Scary Movie"  A fun movie, in that inane, fscked-in-the-head sort of way.  :D
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