00:00:00 --- log: started forth/03.10.05 00:14:10 --- join: gilbertdeb (~gilbert@fl-nked-ubr2-c3a-37.miamfl.adelphia.net) joined #forth 00:16:07 gilbertdeb Y0 00:16:33 hi arke 00:17:05 I440r you know what I just realized? I probably wouldnt even be half as far right now if I were doing this in C 00:25:27 of corse not 00:26:17 :) 01:08:12 --- join: gilbertbsd (~gilbert@fl-nked-ubr2-c3a-37.miamfl.adelphia.net) joined #forth 01:08:45 --- quit: gilbertdeb (Nick collision from services.) 01:08:52 --- nick: gilbertbsd -> gilbertdeb 01:09:40 --- part: gilbertdeb left #forth 01:16:13 does FOR ... NEXT do anything to the return stack? 01:16:41 ack 01:16:55 im sorry, that was one of those questions that you answer yourself after you ask it 01:16:58 nevermind :) 01:35:00 does Pygmy FOR take 1 argument or 2? 01:35:07 * XeF4 hasn't looked 01:36:01 1 01:36:25 count down or count up? 01:36:25 it sets cx to it, then uses loop or something in NEXT 01:36:30 down 01:36:44 16 FOR --> 15, 14 ... 2, 1, 0 01:37:01 anyway, i gotta sleep 01:37:03 night all :) 01:47:52 can I define something like /* all sorts of text */ using 0 [if] and [then] ? 02:02:27 --- join: ASau (~asau@158.250.48.200) joined #forth 02:02:54 Dobryj den'! 03:36:29 Morning, ASau 03:50:53 back 03:51:08 :) 03:52:07 dobro dan 03:52:30 * onetom_ just came back from the market of subotica ;) 03:57:17 What's what? 04:03:19 ? 04:04:16 what'a *that* 04:04:20 what's *that* 04:04:22 Sorry. :) 04:04:26 subotica 04:05:24 a city near by the country boundary 04:05:30 OK 04:06:53 It's strange to me to go to a town nearby country boundary for shopping. 04:07:36 Since you live in the middle of a Great Empire? 04:07:50 Though, I've been in such a country this summer, where you need to cross boundary for "everyday" shopping. 04:08:16 Which one? 04:08:20 No, I "live" in boundary region. 04:09:03 But even there you have to go approx. 200 km before you reach boundary. 04:09:23 I've been in Abkhasia. 04:10:16 They've celebrated 10 years of victory in war for independence recently. 04:10:34 ...Sen 30. 04:10:36 Is that a country? 04:10:43 Never heard of it. :D 04:11:17 It's a "rebel part of Georgia" :) 04:11:41 But, it's independent now. 04:11:48 ...for 10 years :) 04:11:55 Hm, OK. 04:12:13 There're too many countries you've never heard of. :))) 04:12:20 I usually refer to those countries as "places I would never go to". 04:13:25 Abkhasia used to be a whole-USSR "Kurort" before that war. 04:13:57 Oh. 04:14:01 Someting like Costa Blanca, Riviera etc. 04:14:39 subotica (szabadka in hungarian) is just 40km from my home city (szeged) 04:15:42 "Subotica" is Ceska word. Am I right? 04:17:13 ...Czech... 04:17:29 Damn, how is it written in English? 04:18:07 "Tjeckiskt", in Swedish. ;) 04:18:09 no, its part of the old yugoslavia 04:18:11 English sucks. 04:18:34 its serbia atm i guess 04:18:47 OK, Slovenska. 04:18:59 yup 04:19:27 slovenia not slovakia (iguess) 04:24:16 Yes, not Slovakia. 04:59:37 --- join: mur (murr@baana-62-165-186-76.dsl.phnet.fi) joined #forth 05:02:52 --- quit: mur (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 05:03:58 --- join: murr (murr@baana-62-165-186-76.dsl.phnet.fi) joined #forth 05:04:25 --- nick: murr -> mur 08:27:40 --- join: KOHTPA (~asau@158.250.48.200) joined #forth 08:28:02 Welcome back 08:28:56 It seems nothing has happened when I was absent. 08:29:20 Nope. 08:32:26 gwkllo 08:32:28 jhwlööpgfasdfsd 08:32:30 grrr 08:32:31 hello 08:32:58 Dobryj veczer. 08:34:35 Hm. I wonder, when will my connectionless name be deleted? 08:36:53 Ghost it. 08:43:30 Now I can write something to myself. :) 08:44:28 --- quit: ASau (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08:46:37 --- nick: KOHTPA -> ASau 08:47:10 privet ASau 09:28:11 terve mur Robert 09:28:24 ja = & 09:45:42 Hi 09:46:18 whats up? 09:46:30 * arke wis writing a vi-style block editor for pygmy forth 09:47:50 Ich gehe raus, tschüss 09:48:22 Robert bis später :) 10:09:23 --- join: Speuler (~Speuler@forthfreak.net) joined #forth 10:09:44 'morning 10:11:36 evening 10:14:06 Speuler good morning, insane nut 10:15:34 may your brain boil :) 10:17:43 it will should you attempt the brainfuck implementation 10:20:17 ;P 10:21:05 :P 10:21:07 naaj 10:21:13 writing a vi-style block editor 10:21:20 in froth 10:21:25 forth* 10:22:12 brb 10:22:17 --- part: Speuler left #forth 10:23:07 --- join: Speuler (~Speuler@forthfreak.net) joined #forth 10:26:00 --- quit: Speuler ("Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.0.5") 10:26:17 --- join: Speuler (~Speuler@forthfreak.net) joined #forth 10:26:33 Speuler da nutz0r 10:27:12 :) 10:27:16 how often did i dis- and reconnect during the last 5 minutes ? 10:27:26 brb 10:27:26 -:- Speuler [~Speuler@forthfreak.net] has left #forth ["CARRIER LOST"] 10:27:27 -:- Speuler [~Speuler@forthfreak.net] has joined #forth 10:27:27 -:- SignOff Speuler: #forth ("Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 10:27:27 1.0.5") 10:27:27 -:- Speuler [~Speuler@forthfreak.net] has joined #forth 10:27:29 Speuler da nutz0r 10:28:14 ok. that's once less than i actually did 10:28:27 just playing with dircproxy 10:29:17 :) 10:30:53 --- join: semtex (~Speuler@mnch-d9ba586f.pool.mediaWays.net) joined #forth 10:31:04 --- part: Speuler left #forth 10:31:12 --- join: Speuler (~Speuler@forthfreak.net) joined #forth 10:32:14 --- part: semtex left #forth 10:33:50 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@66-91-231-74.san.rr.com) joined #forth 10:33:51 --- mode: ChanServ set +o kc5tja 10:34:24 --- quit: mur ("Murr.") 10:46:52 Well, I'm glad to see that there are still folks who periodically post to the #Forth forum. :) 10:48:38 --- join: schihei (~schihei@pD95486A5.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 10:48:58 didn't see that .. you have an url at hand ? 10:49:18 http://forum.forth.bespin.org 10:50:02 Nothing terribly useful there. At least not yet. 10:50:24 Maybe if my kit efforts take off, I can use that forum as a tech support forum for my Forth-related products or something. 10:53:21 ah, the leaf article you mean ? 10:53:49 No, I consider that useful content, because it's Forth related. 10:54:03 I'm talking about the idle chit-chat, and the relatively infrequent use of the forum. 10:54:30 I definitely intend on using it for FS/Forth support though. 10:54:44 but you forgot to set the tags 10:54:53 --- quit: ASau () 10:56:08 the most recent article is from one day before i started the forthfreak wiki 10:56:38 Heh 10:57:08 how many visitors do you get there on a daily base, on average ? 10:57:50 where do they usually come from (weblog referrer info) ? 10:58:00 I don't know. 10:58:01 Can't be very many though. 10:58:10 I don't know. 10:58:13 It's not my site. 10:58:24 i get about 50% through google. maybe 10..20 % from wikipedia 10:58:24 ah 10:58:26 You'd have to ask Tril for that information. 10:58:43 and the retro site accounts for a notable number of hits too 10:58:46 Speaking of which, I should actually consider working on FS/Forth today. 10:59:04 Interesting. 11:00:21 a few from phil burks page 11:00:24 Maybe I can put a conspicuous Wiki page describing my Forth-enabled kit computer there. :) 11:00:28 and the rest is pretty mixed 11:01:34 less than i expected through the forth ring 11:01:50 2, at most 3 a day come from there 11:02:10 Hmm... 11:02:19 And probably only because they hit the "Random Links" link. 11:02:50 can't see that in the referrer log 11:02:51 I never did understand the whole "Ring" concept, frankly. 11:03:15 I mean, it's neat to link all the related sites together and all, but why a ring? That's the most horribly inefficient structure to use for browsing. :) 11:03:27 but which google, the log is useful, because it shows also the search expression 11:03:40 Speuler: Good point. I will have to remember that. :) 11:03:52 s/which/with/ 11:33:08 --- join: tathi (~josh@pcp02123722pcs.milfrd01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 11:43:34 kc5tja!!! 11:43:35 :) 11:47:44 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 12:03:31 --- part: Speuler left #forth 12:10:49 re 12:43:06 hey kc5tja 12:43:11 back from walking the dog 12:43:18 gonna work more on FoVI 12:44:16 as of now, it sets up the screen corectly, but I have a bunch of other code :) 12:47:15 --- join: snowrichard (~richard@adsl-33-209-7.shv.bellsouth.net) joined #forth 12:47:24 hello folds 12:47:33 can't type today 12:47:35 hello 12:47:36 hello 12:47:39 folks people 12:47:41 :) 12:48:01 I have redone my little language 12:48:06 Michael 12:48:13 it is loosely based on Forth 12:48:31 when I get some docs ready I will announce on freshmeat 12:48:50 :) 12:48:58 what different between Michael and Forth"? 12:49:18 include files for source code 12:49:27 no blocks 12:50:02 sort of minimal at this point 12:50:11 :) 12:50:41 I have an EDIT word that uses the C system command to shell out to VI 12:51:00 #file includes a source code file and compiles/runs it 12:51:06 20 levels 12:51:11 :) 12:51:17 a file pointer stack 12:51:37 very fun :) 12:52:00 I will finish the docs sometime soon and get them up on my web site 12:52:09 it is very small file 12:53:04 if a token starts with 4 1 bits (hex FX) it is user defined word. tokens less than that index into a table of C functions 12:53:30 12 bit user definitions index gives 4096 possible user defined words 12:53:41 :) 12:53:57 of up to 1K code size each 12:54:15 16 bit branch offset for loops 12:54:47 an unconditional branch (BRAN) and (0BRAN) for if statement/loops 12:55:15 but the user codes IF xxx ELSE xxx ENDIF and DO xxx UNTIL 12:55:35 --- quit: schihei (Client Quit) 12:55:42 Hi 12:55:49 Robert y0 12:55:52 sup 12:56:10 I am broadcasting on shoutcast now 12:56:10 :) 12:56:13 shoutcast? 12:56:31 shoutcast.com search for "Woody's home for veterans" you need xmms 12:56:45 or winamp 12:56:58 * Robert is playing The Wall at the moment. :) 12:57:09 Too good to stop! 12:57:10 well I am listing to my station 12:57:12 :) 12:57:25 but I like Floyd 12:57:26 Spirit of the Radio :) 12:57:28 Rush 12:57:28 run rabbit run 12:57:38 dig that hole 12:57:39 Red Hot Chili peppers :) 12:57:42 catch the sun 12:57:49 ... 12:57:50 snowrichard: :) 12:57:51 cant stop 12:57:54 give it away 12:57:59 under the bridge 12:58:02 my friend 12:58:06 Isn't that from Dark Side of the Moon? 12:58:06 higher ground 12:58:06 :) 12:58:09 thats when the peppers were GOOD 12:58:30 this dude that works here at night is a gifted vocalist and guitarist 12:58:44 I have been converting one of his cassettes to mp3 12:59:19 stay up till 3am listening to it and editing with sweep :)) 12:59:48 Hmm.. 13:00:01 I've got some mp3s that a friend recored from his band. 13:00:04 but he is schizophrenic like me 13:00:12 in college 13:00:18 LSU-S 13:00:19 In a very ugly way - including abusing my tape recorder and a soundcard. 13:00:23 LSU-S? 13:00:36 Louisiana state at Shreveport 13:00:58 What's with the college? 13:01:11 he is a student and works here too 13:01:20 Ah, OK. 13:01:30 needs money :) 13:01:40 snowrichard is in louisiana ? 13:01:46 don't we all I had a $900 cell phone bill 13:01:54 I am at a veterans home 13:01:58 because I am nuts :) 13:02:06 but is nice place 13:02:06 we are all nutz :) 13:02:20 god given nice friends 13:02:31 I was first to move in 13:02:39 $900 cell phone bill? Heh 13:02:41 just open 13:02:48 Remind me not to get any 13:03:08 I am not paying it all at once big surprise 13:03:29 I owe $10,000 to hospital in Marshall for my wife's bills 13:03:48 :/ 13:03:50 after divorce am declaring the old bankrupt thing 13:04:12 if I can get free laywer to help 13:04:40 $5000 on credit cards 13:04:48 car note 13:05:01 but the house is free and clear that my wife lives in 13:05:21 that was miracle. our other house burned jan 11th 13:05:50 but she is in a hospital now 13:06:01 smoking ruining her lungs I quit though 13:06:20 My parents recently started smoking again 13:06:25 After a 10 year break. 13:06:27 started? 13:06:29 why? 13:06:45 Heh, I wish I knew 13:06:48 I quit drinking/drugging too 13:06:49 AA 13:06:58 church 13:07:15 Great 13:07:26 join choir sang today 13:07:33 feel great 13:07:37 better than last 10 years 13:07:51 Jesus cures depression :) 13:08:28 Last time I opened a bible I got scared and returned to my computer 13:08:46 not meaning to preach totally off topic :)) but help me 13:08:50 That's when I got to the "drag the blasphemer out of the camp and let the whole community stone him" part 13:09:30 want to set up a foundation to help disabled make living 13:09:54 (like me!) 13:10:28 What exactly would the foundation do? 13:11:01 train how to do web sites / internet marketing, produce art work interactive multimedia linux based CD's ? 13:11:04 more ideas 13:12:03 Oh 13:12:04 Forth :P 13:12:04 write books about life 13:12:36 well i coudl code it in Michael under Knoppix :) 13:12:59 knoppix cool 13:13:09 back 13:13:13 Hehe, sounds like an excellent idea to use a minimalistic language running on a 1MB kernel 13:13:54 I have a SYSTEM word in my language now so michael scripts can call bash scripts 13:14:34 Michael>"cat file.txt | more" SYSTEM 13:14:37 :) 13:14:48 Heh, cool 13:15:04 I'm working at a stand-alone Forth now 13:15:11 For a school project 13:15:16 Projectk Arbete 13:15:17 :) 13:15:21 or something like that 13:15:24 Projektarbete in Swedish, yes. 13:15:30 theyh have to do that in germany too, but not here in the USA 13:15:36 nature calls brb 13:15:41 :D 13:16:45 need go get coffee refill too 13:16:56 at least I don't need to go ~=== any more 13:17:09 Hehe, good thing 13:17:42 my best female friend on yahoo now be back later 13:36:00 back 13:50:12 --- quit: snowrichard ("Client Exiting") 14:19:57 --- quit: I440r () 14:48:53 --- quit: TreyB () 15:37:00 --- nick: arke -> asdf_ 15:37:16 --- nick: asdf_ -> adsf 15:38:10 --- nick: adsf -> arke 16:00:02 --- quit: kc5tja ("THX QSO ES 73 DE KC5TJA/6 CL ES QRT AR SK") 16:09:49 --- join: gilbertdeb (~gilbert@fl-nked-ubr2-c3a-37.miamfl.adelphia.net) joined #forth 16:12:30 gilbertdeb gr33ts 16:12:41 aloha arke 16:22:44 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@66-91-231-74.san.rr.com) joined #forth 16:22:44 --- mode: ChanServ set +o kc5tja 16:23:43 * kc5tja is away: Cleaning my room 16:24:47 y0 kc 16:37:49 re 16:40:18 whats up? 16:40:32 Cleaning and re-arranging my room. 16:40:41 Trying to make some room for the ham radio. 16:40:59 what does your quit message mean? 16:41:53 that's like asking the meaning of life 16:41:56 it's different for every person 16:42:19 Heheh :) 16:42:23 THX = Thanks 16:42:28 QSO = For the conversation(s) 16:42:30 ES = and 16:42:35 arke, i believe it is a ham radio thing. 16:42:38 those geeks 16:42:42 73 = So long, and thanks for all the fish (well, not quite, but it does mean So Long) 16:42:44 * gilbertdeb shakes his head. 16:42:49 DE = This is 16:42:52 KC5TJA/6 = me. 16:42:55 CL = Clear 16:43:16 QRT = Going off the air. 16:43:25 AR = end of transmission 16:43:31 SK = ending transmission now. 16:44:41 --- join: usa (~usa@adsl-64-142-9-188.sonic.net) joined #forth 16:44:53 hello usa 16:45:00 Hello 16:45:36 whats your forth story? :) 16:45:51 I am just playing with setting up Gaim, so if I die suddenly it is because I pressed the wrong shortcut key! 16:46:00 okay. 16:46:08 he came to the US from austria with only pennies in his pocket 16:46:13 hahaha 16:46:22 and through his ingenuity became a successful bodybuilder 16:46:29 The story is the usual one, I played with it a little a long time ago, thought it was interesting, but never did anything with it. 16:46:46 how did you come upon it that long time ago? :) 16:47:30 TRS-80 had a version, and of course "Threaded Interpreted Languages" had a Z80 listing in it. 16:47:43 ah yes. 16:47:50 did you read it? 16:48:12 Yes, the local university library had a copy which I had checked out for many months. 16:48:31 And of course DDJ had stuff in those days 16:49:01 yeah, I saw an article abstract from '85 on how to write a 386 asm using forth. 16:49:08 but I never saw the article itself. 16:49:19 they'd like me to pay to read it. 16:50:03 Again the library had paper copies - you can tell how old I am :-) 16:50:15 hmmm lets see. 16:50:25 2005 - 1985 == 20 16:50:35 -2 == 18 16:50:43 I'm guessing 40 +/- 3 16:50:58 Pretty close, I was 44 4 days ago 16:51:31 :) 16:51:39 the 'recent birthday' factor. 16:51:55 It sneaks up on you all the time :-) 16:53:54 so you wanna revive your forth interests? 16:53:57 I did think about trying to sneak a forth system into the last embedded product I did, which was PowerPC based. I worked out most of the primatives, but I didn't realy know what to do with them. 16:54:13 I see. 16:54:21 what was the product, if i may ask? 16:55:37 It was a 'Media Gateway', which took in 4 E1 or T1 lines (essentially 31 or 24 multiplexed telephone lines) and converted them into UDP and sent them out over Ethernet. 16:55:59 cool. 16:56:06 you do this as a hobby? 16:56:23 Part of the gret Voice over IP revolution which was supposed to have happened already :-( 16:56:36 No, this was real paying work. 16:57:00 how does one get such a job :P 16:58:13 In my case it was a matter of leaving one job, emailing everyone I knew saying 'don't bother with that email address, use this one', waiting for a friend's wife to read the email and tell her husband to employ me. 16:58:46 cool :) 16:58:52 The gateway card is actualy in use, but it is not making millions :-( 16:59:53 It was a fun card, It actually used a Power Quic II chip, which has a PPC core and lots of I/O on the chip. When we got our first one they were very much alpha silicon. 17:00:18 I had never used alpha silicon before, and was supprised by things like its DMA controller 17:00:31 alpha silicon? 17:00:39 as in the alpha from DEC? 17:00:51 Normally you tell it to send 8 characters, and it goes 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 finished 17:01:05 No alpha as in pre beta, very buggy. 17:01:13 ah okay. 17:01:19 Sometimes it would go 8 7 6 finished 17:01:51 I spent a long time trying to figure out why my driver would not always send out a complete message 17:02:34 I blamed usual things, like not setting the chip up correctly, using a buffer for 2 things at the same time etc etc etc 17:02:48 But no, it was buggy silicon. 17:03:24 who woulda thunk? 17:03:25 :) 17:05:34 I had all the primatives coded, based on someone elses port of hforth (I think), which was an extension of eforth. 17:06:58 I kept looking for a nice byte-coded forth, as the chip had 16k of on-board memory, and we thought we had ROM to burn, but I never found one. 17:07:30 --- quit: usa ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") 17:08:40 --- join: usa (~usa@adsl-64-142-9-188.sonic.net) joined #forth 17:08:52 pressed the wrong button? ;) 17:09:27 Yep. Gaim is an all in one tool, and I was trying to refresh the 'yahoo' IM 'buddy' list 17:09:32 --- join: I440r (~nospam@12-178.lctv-a5.cablelynx.com) joined #forth 17:10:07 So what is your forth story? 17:10:38 I'm the resident perpetual newbie :) 17:11:15 someone suggested looking into it, so here i am :) 17:11:58 I440r has better forth stories than I do :D 17:12:23 that makes tehm sound like FISH stories :P 17:12:31 "the one that got away" 17:12:34 it was HUGE!!! 17:12:37 heheh. 17:20:24 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@207.111.96.62) joined #forth 17:20:24 --- mode: ChanServ set +o TheBlueWizard 17:20:30 hiya all 17:20:47 hiya I440r :) 17:23:14 tbw!! :) 17:23:52 how's lifew? 17:24:10 * TheBlueWizard eats a stray w 17:25:20 * TheBlueWizard wonders what's up with Chuck Moore per /topic 17:25:48 tbw there was a proposed fire side chat with him... 17:27:10 here? cool 17:27:52 no response yet tho 17:27:55 i hope he is ok 17:28:02 he's prolly busy. 17:41:13 --- join: TreyB (~trey@cpe-66-87-192-27.tx.sprintbbd.net) joined #forth 17:41:35 hiya TreyB 17:41:42 Howdy TheBlueWizard. 17:49:44 gotta go...bye all...happy forthing! 17:50:06 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 17:55:00 Wow, this is soooo nice :) 17:55:24 the traffic noise? 17:55:28 you really find it soothing? 17:55:36 * arke just made his Windows XP look almost completely like Mac OS X 17:55:47 'look' what about 'feel' 17:58:33 well, feels alot like it too, but its not the real thing :( 18:00:08 lol 18:01:07