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00:07:17 * kc5tja is back (gone 03:02:29)
00:08:18 <Robert> Hi
00:08:20 <kc5tja> Well, I'm off to bed now.  Done with my homework, and I actually understood all of it!  Amazing.
00:08:26 <Robert> Hehe, good night! :)
00:08:37 <kc5tja> Well, I can chat for a bit.
00:08:42 <kc5tja> Just not too long.  I have class tomorrow.
00:09:05 <XeF4> kc5: what are you studying these days?
00:09:12 <kc5tja> Currently, Calc-II.
00:11:23 * Robert will be leaving for school in a while.
00:11:34 <Robert> kc5tja: Why?
00:11:55 <Robert> kc5tja: I mean, what kind of education do you plan to get on top of that, or what kind of job?
00:13:53 <kc5tja> I'm working towards obtaining a Physics degree.
00:14:20 <kc5tja> My long, long-term plans are to teach physics in a university, and to participate in some research and development projects.
00:14:25 <XeF4> kc5: aha. I soon need to actually read that calc book I bought in '97 :-)
00:14:52 <kc5tja> My shorter-term goals is to just have fun.  I have always loved physics.
00:15:01 <kc5tja> Hehe :)
00:16:14 <Robert> kc5tja: Nice, good luck.
00:16:18 <kc5tja> Now that I'm working again (WOOHOO!), I can concentrate more on school, and even start planning, in earnest, various projects for my kit business.
00:16:22 <kc5tja> Robert: Thanks.
00:16:50 <Robert> kc5tja: Develop a quantum computer for me once you're done, please.
00:17:00 <kc5tja> Actually, you can get a number of other jobs with a Physics degree too, like senior-level software development or other kinds of engineering positions.  Don't ask me why this is the case, but it happened twice while I was working at Hifn.
00:17:11 <kc5tja> Robert: That'll take about 64 years to do.
00:17:33 <Robert> OK. I'll try to live that long. ;)
00:17:42 <kc5tja> Hehe :)
00:36:35 <kc5tja> OK, I'm off to bed.
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06:33:50 <mur> hello!
06:33:53 <mur> serg :)
06:34:49 <Robert> Terve!
06:34:53 <Robert> My dad just went to Finland
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06:37:45 <mur> Robert: oh dear! was he arrested and expelled? :)
06:37:52 <mur> Hej Robert!
06:37:57 * mur is hacking packgages
06:38:03 <Robert> ;D
06:38:15 <mur> packages . need to do 3 labels. poster took me 2 weeks ;P
06:38:25 <mur> deadline was 40 mins ago :o)
06:38:38 <mur> about hour and 10 mins time left
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12:53:44 <Robert> Hi
12:54:39 <kc5tja> Hello
12:54:47 <kc5tja> Just got back from school.
12:59:24 <ianP> hi
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13:19:11 <fridge> hmm
13:19:22 <Robert> Heh.
13:20:20 <kc5tja> My, what a wonderful exit message.
13:20:43 <Robert> Yes, very
13:20:53 <kc5tja> Anyone know of a company that designs custom electronics cases?  Not carrying cases, not suitcases, not packing cases, not transport cases, -- equipment cases, preferably in ABS plastic?
13:28:29 <fridge> like that you'd have LED's, toggle switches sticking out of... something to house a project in?
13:30:17 <fridge> or do you mean a case for housing an assortment of electronic parts in wells?
13:31:40 <kc5tja> The former.
13:31:52 <kc5tja> As in, I'm designing a device, and I'd like to have a custom case made available for it.
13:32:02 * kc5tja is going into the electronics kit business.
13:32:16 * kc5tja is doing research on how much certain things cost, who to purchase from, etc.
13:32:39 <kc5tja> I found one place (finally), but they sure do look to be awfully expensive.
13:33:18 <fridge> all the engineering places I've been in contact with, just grab a square plastic box of appropriate size and drill out holes where appropriate
13:33:37 <fridge> I guess if you're doing a high volume production run a custom case would be worth it
13:38:02 <TreyB> kc5tja: injection molded plastic type case?
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14:29:00 <fridge> http://forth.gsfc.nasa.gov/
14:29:05 <fridge> just stumbled across that
14:35:45 <Robert> Cool
14:51:26 <kc5tja> Yeah, neat stuff.  Though, I find it intriguing that they're using primarily Harris RTX-20x0 processors.  Where are the MISC chips, man?!  ;D
14:54:41 <Robert> In Chuck's lab? ;)
15:25:52 <kc5tja> Where they do the world no good.
15:26:31 <kc5tja> They need to be out, in the world, helping to cure world hunger, giving Chuck reasonable employment so that there's one less mouth to feed from public funds.  ;D
15:27:32 <Robert> Ehm, that's it!
15:27:47 <Robert> How Forth Saved The World, that should be my new book.
15:46:20 <arke> y0
15:46:37 <arke> I Fear None, For Forth Shall Guide Me
15:46:40 <arke> by Chris Walton
15:46:40 <arke> lol
15:54:29 <kc5tja> Heh
15:54:46 * kc5tja is reading up on B-field communications systems right now.
15:54:58 <kc5tja> Looks like something I can make use of in a few of my kits in the future...
15:59:30 <fridge> chuck is unemployed?
15:59:48 <arke> fridge huh?
16:00:21 <fridge> giving Chuck reasonable employment
16:00:22 <fridge>       so that there's one less mouth to feed from public funds.  ;D
16:01:21 <fridge> perhaps I misinterpreted it
16:04:25 <arke> er.
16:06:56 <kc5tja> He's employed, as far as I know, but for how long depends on how long his contract lasts.
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17:19:39 <arke> thin :(
17:41:06 * kc5tja is away: foodstuffs
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17:57:57 <TheBlueWizard> hiya all
18:03:56 <TheBlueWizard> no one awake here?
18:04:22 <fridge> yes
18:06:20 <TheBlueWizard> hehe
18:10:11 <TheBlueWizard> gotta go...bye all
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18:16:04 <arke> y0 all, im b4xx0rs
18:31:33 * kc5tja is back (gone 00:50:27)
18:31:48 <kc5tja> No you're not -- *I'M* back!  ;D
18:31:58 <kc5tja> You know, TBW stays here shorter and shorter every time.  :D
18:32:21 <arke> heh
18:32:24 <arke> tr00
18:32:31 <arke> kc5tja soooo ... whats up?
18:35:45 <arke> kc5tja can i see the pygmy source for fs/forth? please? i wanna steal it and make it commercial and make a bunch of money from it and give you none of it.
18:35:49 <arke> lol
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18:43:08 <arke> proteusguy y00
18:43:27 <proteusguy> re:howdy.
18:43:44 <arke> *yaawn(
19:00:40 <kc5tja> arke: Sorry -- was doing the dishes.
19:01:06 <kc5tja> I would have to pull the sources off my laptop somehow, which isn't easy, considering it lacks a network connection and a working floppy drive.
19:01:23 <kc5tja> But I'll get a null-modem cable hook-up going soon and grab the .scr files.
19:20:33 <arke> :)
19:20:35 <arke> cool
19:20:44 <arke> poor kc is gonna get ripped off
19:20:44 <arke> lol
19:21:52 <kc5tja> Go for it.  I place FS/Forth under the zlib license anyway.
19:21:58 <kc5tja> That's what open source is all about.
19:24:40 <arke> lol
19:24:44 <arke> i was kidding, btw
19:24:57 <arke> i just want to look at it, maybe take one or two words, and give you credit for it
19:25:03 <arke> (but i dont know how zlib works...)
19:25:38 <kc5tja> zlib license works like this:
19:25:45 <kc5tja> 1.  It's not your code.  Don't claim you wrote it.
19:25:58 <kc5tja> 2.  Keep this license with the rest of the code.
19:26:24 <kc5tja> 3.  If you modify it and want to redistribute it, that's perfectly OK by us -- just don't call it what we called it.
19:27:02 <arke> so i could take a word and just say that kc wrote it for FS/Forth and that I stole it?
19:28:25 <kc5tja> Frankly, I don't particularly care.  :)
19:30:13 <arke> :)
20:16:25 <arke> soo
20:16:27 <arke> whats up?
20:19:51 <kc5tja> Nothing much.  Just doing some web research
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20:20:34 <arke> fun
20:20:36 <arke> gilbertdeb y0
20:20:40 <gilbertdeb> aloha
20:20:45 <gilbertdeb> what's fun?
20:21:05 <kc5tja> arke: Fun in one sense, but quite serious in another sense.
20:22:08 <arke> kc5tja researching the kit things?
20:22:30 <kc5tja> Well, I'm still looking for a place that I can have cases fabricated from.
20:22:43 <kc5tja> Relatively cheaply, and in relatively small quantities per batch.
20:26:02 <arke> :)
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20:55:07 * kc5tja found a couple of patents on inductively coupled communications systems.  Really neat stuff.
20:55:38 <kc5tja> The problem is, of course, that it's patented.  Although this one patent I'm looking at expires two years from now (if it hasn't already expired).
21:01:07 <fridge> the world would be such a different place
21:01:28 <fridge> if everyone shared knowledge
21:01:28 <fridge> instead of hoarding it
21:03:15 <kc5tja> No kidding.
21:03:52 <arke> yeah
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21:04:52 <fridge> kc5tja: I'm in the mood for stating the obvious
21:06:17 <arke> I440r y0 d00dz0r
21:06:20 <arke> x.x
21:06:21 <fridge> ;)
21:07:43 <I440r> hi
21:07:46 <kc5tja> You silly people you.
21:13:09 <kc5tja> OK, Image Magick is a total, utter, piece of bodily detritus that it warrents burnination in the inner bowels of hell, so far deep in Diablo that even Gates assumes a heavenly position.
21:13:35 <I440r> any news from chipchuck
21:13:49 <arke> w o w
21:13:58 <I440r> ?
21:13:59 <arke> I440r no, unfortunately ot :(
21:15:40 <kc5tja> No, Chuck has not returned e-mails to either myself or to thin.
21:16:02 <kc5tja> arke: It's a piece of shit; it is far, far, far worse than MS Paint.
21:16:41 <kc5tja> True, at least it's one of the few things that can read TIFF files under Linux, but ... GEEEEZ, not only is it utterly hard to use, but 99% of the user interface doesn't work.
21:17:13 <I440r> anyone activly developing it ?
21:17:16 <arke> GIMP :)
21:17:39 <kc5tja> GIMP will not read TIFF files.
21:17:55 <kc5tja> At least, not the variety of TIFFs used by the USPTO.
21:18:27 <kc5tja> OK the good news is that I can use Image Magick to save the images as PDFs, and use my Acrobat reader to review the documents.  That's wonderful news for me.
21:26:04 <I440r> since when has mirc been restricted to 30 days?
21:26:32 <I440r> time to switch to virc in windows
21:27:01 <fridge> does it stop working now?
21:27:10 <arke> I440r XCHat in windows works fune
21:27:13 <arke> fine*
21:27:18 <fridge> I thought it complained once but then it kept going
21:27:34 <I440r> dunno
21:27:50 <fridge> tinyirc works too
21:31:48 <arke> XXchat is the best, imho
21:35:17 * kc5tja likes xchat too.
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22:36:47 <Serg_Penguin> hi !
22:37:12 <kc5tja> greetings
22:37:41 <Serg_Penguin> how's your EDU ?
22:38:59 <kc5tja> Killing me.
22:39:08 <kc5tja> Last test I took, I failed.  Miserably.
22:39:46 <Serg_Penguin> all tests suxx
22:39:51 <kc5tja> I lack the artistic insight to know when, and how, to accomplish a u-substitution when integrating something.  And that, invariably, causes me to lose full credit on questions.
22:39:58 <kc5tja> Tests don't suck.
22:40:05 <kc5tja> Inadequately administered tests suck.
22:40:10 <kc5tja> Huge difference.
22:40:18 <Serg_Penguin> i score 147 out of 150 IQ ;))
22:40:31 <Serg_Penguin> but i'm not the total winner
22:40:35 <kc5tja> I'd probably fail the IQ test too.
22:40:56 <Serg_Penguin> really, i was total loser be4 the thing you hate so reasonlessly ;))))))))))0
22:41:12 <kc5tja> I have plenty of reason to hate it.
22:42:18 <kc5tja> A person is a total loser only if he believes himself to be.
22:43:02 <Serg_Penguin> sure ! but it takes effort to prove/show example to person he is not ;))
22:43:10 <kc5tja> The sole exception is this one kid in my calc-II class, who thinks he's God's gift to mathematics and analysis, who routinely gets things wrong, and spends 20 minutes of every class period arguing with the instructor over some useless bit of trivia.
22:43:12 * kc5tja sighs
22:43:29 <Serg_Penguin> heh
22:43:41 <kc5tja> Speaking of effort, I managed to get the job at In-n-Out burgers.  :)
22:43:50 <Serg_Penguin> in school, our math teacher was unable to solve homework
22:44:02 <Serg_Penguin>  at In-n-Out burgers.  :) ???????
22:44:16 <kc5tja> Yes, I'll be mopping floors, cleaning tables, taking orders, and flipping burgers.
22:44:46 <kc5tja> But it pays the rent, and is sustainable throughout my entire college career.
22:44:53 <Serg_Penguin> ;)))
22:45:07 * kc5tja is also going to close down my consulting business, and open an electronics kit business to take its place.
22:45:17 <Serg_Penguin> cool
22:45:51 * Serg_Penguin is dreaming of poor man's kit hobby computer
22:46:08 <Serg_Penguin> UNIX-able, knee-makeable
22:46:09 <kc5tja> Well, I can't guarantee my kit computer will be cheap, because of low production runs.
22:46:18 <kc5tja> And it'll definitely NOT be Unix-able.  :)
22:46:24 <kc5tja> But it will be knee-makable.
22:46:36 <kc5tja> It'll run an OS written in Forth.
22:46:43 <Serg_Penguin> ;)
22:46:58 <Serg_Penguin> what applications you plan ?
22:47:11 <kc5tja> Or, at least, it'll have Forth embedded in the OS.  Either way, I don't care.
22:47:36 <kc5tja> I dunno -- I'll probably start with basic business management software (it'd be nice to run my own business on this thing).
22:47:58 <kc5tja> But the kit computer is a long, long ways off, though. 
22:48:13 <kc5tja> Right now, I'm concentrating on smaller, easier to make things, like frequency counters and signal generators.
22:48:13 <Serg_Penguin> heh, i'd rather start from network soft
22:49:02 <kc5tja> Serg_Penguin: Putting Ethernet on the thing will likely drive the cost of design and manufacture up.
22:49:09 <kc5tja> It's better to put Ethernet on an expansion card.
22:49:26 <Serg_Penguin> no hell ! UART + ext. modem
22:49:40 <Serg_Penguin> leased line in poor man's home ????
22:49:51 <kc5tja> ?
22:49:56 <kc5tja> What are you talking about?
22:49:58 <Serg_Penguin> LOL !! good if plain phone
22:50:15 <Serg_Penguin> i talk about cheap poor man's comp
22:50:25 <kc5tja> Yes.
22:50:47 <kc5tja> You are aware that I can purchase a 100-base-T 5-port hub for cheaper than I can get a 56kbps telephone modem, right?
22:50:56 <kc5tja> (by almost a factor of two, I might add)
22:50:59 <Serg_Penguin> ooops
22:51:22 <kc5tja> Still, a UART would be one of the standard interfaces on it.
22:51:23 * Serg_Penguin was searching job from 14.4 thing acquired as trash-gift
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22:51:52 <kc5tja> re SDO
22:52:49 <kc5tja> Wow, it's only 22:48 here; it feels very much later than that.
22:55:53 <Serg_Penguin> here Ethernet is cheaper than modem too, but leased line install/traffic is MUCH expencive than modem calls
22:56:44 <Serg_Penguin> my 5$ scratch-card lasts 2 months (email/news only), no initial pay
22:57:11 <Serg_Penguin> for Eth, i would pay 20$/month even w/ zero traffic
22:57:49 <Serg_Penguin> and, if i call direct modem link to a friend, i pay 0
22:58:06 <kc5tja> Scratch card?
22:58:37 <fridge> kc5tja: I'd imagine its some form of prepaid
22:58:42 <Serg_Penguin> buy a card, scratch off protective paint, read number, enter it to form (initial call free)
22:58:54 <kc5tja> hmm
22:59:04 <Serg_Penguin> same w/ mobile phone
23:04:12 <kc5tja> GAHH!  Damn computer!  I come --><-- that close at winning a hand of Spades, but NOOO!!!  Computer has to catch up, overwhelm me at the last moment, and then mash my face in mud as an additional insult.
23:04:43 <kc5tja> And it's not like it's cheating either -- usually it's pretty even.
23:05:01 <kc5tja> But this time, I ended up with -45 points, and the computer get 527 points.  That royally pisses me off.  :)
23:09:08 <kc5tja> Well, I'm off to bed.
23:09:18 <Serg_Penguin> just don't piss in a switchbox and all be OK
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