00:00:00 --- log: started forth/03.09.25 00:04:27 * Serg_Penguin is stopping unneded services on freshly installed server 00:06:55 SDO: is squeak orthogonally persistent? 00:07:10 they'we been going in and out of style 00:07:20 but they guarenteed to raise a smile 00:07:32 so let me introduce to yuo... 00:07:57 .... Sergeant Pepper lonely hearts club BA-A-AND !!! 00:08:00 yeah ! 00:10:36 * Serg_Penguin recalls how i was yelling Besame Mucho w/ a girl almost at Red Square ;)) 00:10:51 anyway I wish you all the best 00:10:52 --- quit: yasam ("see you in Hell suckas!") 00:14:15 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 00:35:11 --- quit: I440r (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:12:02 --- nick: rO|_ -> rO| 01:20:13 --- quit: _whatz4th_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:26:41 --- join: schihei (~schihei@blueice1a.de.ibm.com) joined #forth 01:30:18 --- join: mmanning (~mmanning@saturn.vcsd.com) joined #forth 01:38:37 --- quit: I440r-wrk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:56:44 --- quit: Herkamire ("zzzzz") 01:57:12 --- quit: mmanning (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:57:33 --- join: mmanning (~mmanning@saturn.vcsd.com) joined #forth 02:47:50 --- join: yasam (~sam@210-55-45-197.dialup.xtra.co.nz) joined #forth 03:06:25 --- quit: mmanning (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:36:30 Does anyone know what the forth program is called which is based on the lisp program which arranges blocks and interacted with in english? 03:38:19 ah I remeber now, nevermind (if you could even understand what I was trying to say) 03:49:22 if I have usr/local/bin/gforth should I be able to type gforth to invoke it? 04:02:56 no worrie sfound out elsewhere 05:28:37 --- join: Serg_Penguin (Serg_Pengu@212.34.52.140) joined #forth 05:29:49 --- quit: Serg_Penguin (Client Quit) 06:07:43 --- quit: yasam ("see you in Hell suckas!") 06:14:28 --- join: fridge (~fridge@dsl-203-33-164-231.NSW.netspace.net.au) joined #forth 06:34:53 --- join: yasam (~sam@210-55-45-197.dialup.xtra.co.nz) joined #forth 06:37:42 --- join: Serg_Penguin (Serg_Pengu@212.34.52.140) joined #forth 06:40:12 * arke is back (gone 08:19:44) 06:40:22 y0 06:40:30 any new news about chuck coming? 06:44:25 --- join: crc (~crc@AC83F8C9.ipt.aol.com) joined #forth 06:44:56 --- quit: crc (Client Quit) 06:54:03 --- join: crc (~crc@AC83F8C9.ipt.aol.com) joined #forth 06:54:31 --- part: crc left #forth 06:58:20 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 07:05:44 --- join: Serg_Penguin (Serg_Pengu@212.34.52.140) joined #forth 07:20:16 hey Serg_Penguin 07:22:24 hi ! :) 07:44:21 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 07:49:19 --- join: Serg_Penguin (Serg_Pengu@212.34.52.140) joined #forth 07:56:20 --- quit: schihei ("Client exiting") 08:50:12 hi 09:39:55 --- join: ma] (markus@lns-p19-18-82-65-114-160.adsl.proxad.net) joined #forth 10:10:16 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 10:11:48 --- join: TreyB (~trey@cpe-66-87-192-27.tx.sprintbbd.net) joined #forth 10:15:51 --- join: _whatz4th_ (~SDO@co-trinidad1a-42.clspco.adelphia.net) joined #forth 10:34:57 --- quit: ma] (Remote closed the connection) 11:11:38 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@h000094d30ba2.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 11:12:21 damn 11:15:28 yasam: well, hello and welcome to you too ;) 11:16:05 come back when youre chuck ;) 11:18:09 hah 11:22:41 is chuck supposed to come today? 11:24:05 I dont know, Im beginning to think its a some sort of conspiracy 11:24:25 who invited him? 11:26:36 read this for some interesting coincidences: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/ewd00xx/EWD28.PDF 11:27:48 Herkamire dunno I440r? 11:28:29 no, I440r set the topic which asks when 11:28:51 i thought kc5tja did (I hope I got that right) 11:33:38 damn I must depart (lucky you werent chuck ;) 11:33:43 --- quit: yasam ("see you in Hell suckas!") 12:45:14 Projects 12:45:14 Here's a list of colorForth code I'd like to have. I'll post the best code with credit to the author. 12:45:14 Graphics 12:45:14 Triangle 12:45:14 Circle 12:45:15 Cube 12:45:17 Cylinder 12:45:19 Sphere 12:45:21 Modecules 12:45:23 Star map 12:45:25 Fractal tree 12:45:27 Mandlebrot set 12:45:31 Wood grain 12:45:32 Grass 12:45:33 Ray trace 12:45:35 Audio 12:45:37 Play .wav 12:45:40 Record voice 12:45:43 Analyse voice - extract phonemes 12:45:45 Recognize voice 12:45:47 Identify voice 12:45:49 Synthesize voice 12:45:51 Devices - Hardware interfaces require information not readily available. Intel publishes excellent specs. Others consider them proprietary. Agreeing to non-disclosure might prevent distributing source. Reverse-engineering Linux code seems the only way. 12:45:55 Various graphic accelerators 12:45:57 Frame swapping 12:45:59 Transparent characters 12:46:01 Solid rectangle 12:46:03 Solid triangle 12:46:11 Z buffer 12:46:15 Various audio accelerators 12:46:17 Play .wav 12:46:19 Record 12:46:21 Various modems 12:46:23 Protocols 12:46:25 PPP connection 12:46:27 Single ISP 12:46:29 2 blocks? 12:46:31 TCP/IP 12:46:34 3 blocks? 12:46:35 USB 12:46:37 Keyboard 12:46:39 Camera 12:46:41 Disk 12:46:45 2 blocks + 1/device? 12:46:47 JPEG decoder/encoder 12:46:49 PNG 12:46:51 Encoder - 3 blocks, Chuck Moore 12:46:53 Decoder 12:46:55 GIF decoder/encoder 12:46:57 won't paste the rest, see it at http://www.colorforth.com/status.html 12:48:16 few days ago i saw a question in the channel topic, above might be an hint/answer 12:49:01 Chuck 12:49:01 This is what I'm working on, priority on top. 12:49:01 PPP/TCP 12:49:01 Go 12:49:01 Code colorForth in colorForth 12:49:02 PCI Audio: send data to the D/A, get samples from the A/D 12:49:47 still in the networking section, tcp comes next/half done 12:50:17 tcp would be one of my first priorities once I got mine booooting 12:51:19 Herkamire: do you know rj_cf ? 12:55:53 also, i think speuler's wiki would be a good place for publishing c4th boot prob cases (and solving) ;-) 12:56:34 www.forthfreak.org 13:00:07 rO|: I don't know rj_cf 13:04:48 I AM BACK!!! 13:08:55 arke: WELCOME BACK!!! 13:09:23 Herkamire: WHATS UP? 13:09:56 Herkamire: what about ""boooting" c4th? 13:20:50 iirc some have searched for the info about the x18/25x cpu, which once has been on chuck's website, speuler has it on his wiki :-) 13:42:53 --- join: mmanning (~mmanning@saturn.vcsd.com) joined #forth 13:48:14 --- join: Speuler (~Speuler@mnch-d9ba588f.pool.mediaWays.net) joined #forth 13:48:45 'oi 13:49:55 welcome on board and please... 13:51:05 .. stop checking out OpenCannabis from CVS 13:52:59 .. keep your hands to yourself 13:53:10 .. remember to put your tar cvf arguments in order 13:53:26 and don't apply FireStarter 13:53:32 .. dont delete /vmunix 13:53:39 .. dont delete /dev/null 13:54:04 .. dont delete / :) 13:54:20 .. dont do dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/hda 13:56:43 .. only do cat /dev/hda > /dev/dsp when you feel like getting your ears chopped off :) 13:58:54 --- join: XeF4 (~xef4@peptide0.gprs.suomen2g.fi) joined #forth 14:03:21 Speuler: rofl 14:04:12 XeF4: iirc wil baden might have some sample code for you 14:05:02 http://home.earthlink.net/~neilbawd/ 14:06:08 Speuler: didn't know you had chuck's old 25x info :-) 14:06:21 rO|, check http://www.forthfreak.net/wiki/index.cgi?ForthCode , Forth fragments and tools 14:07:06 rO|, was not easy to find, kc5xx helped me with that one 14:07:54 and before it was all gone, i thought io better put a copy on my server 14:08:10 shall they sue me 14:08:19 *g* 14:09:21 with a number of google searches, the wiki ends up top btw, try tileforth as search item 14:09:46 i think you have done well w/ that 14:10:26 reason would be that there are very few tileforth hits 14:10:36 gets me 72 here 14:11:19 i got referer info enabled in the log, so i can see if someone comes from google, what he was searching for 14:12:39 sophisticated ;-) 14:12:46 lmi windows dos forth gives third position, behind two forth.org hits 14:13:59 sec, shall "they" sue me? why "they"? 14:14:11 the investors ? 14:14:30 "fragments and tools" ack 14:14:38 which investors? 14:15:20 i understood that there were possible investors for x25, which were the reasons for x25 info disappearing from the net 14:15:50 ic 14:17:07 and now they're gone/producing? nobody knows? 14:17:43 (if you get mailed by them, we'll know ;) 14:20:26 (i would 1st make a list of questions before inviting an interview:) 14:21:08 wouldn't be a wiki once again suited for that? 14:23:38 not sure. page editing collisions are not very well handled 14:24:19 nope, just a list collecting for preparation.. 14:24:56 X.25? 14:24:57 (don't think there will be *any* collision for that ;) 14:37:43 --- quit: Herkamire ("brb") 14:37:50 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@h000094d30ba2.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 14:38:44 Herkamire: fast reboot... ;-) 14:39:27 just testing my changes to my irc config 14:40:34 oh, and i thought the powermac reboots that fast (6sec) :-) 14:41:18 yeah right. 14:41:47 it takes 10 or 15 secconds for the bootloader to show up 14:48:43 i might be overlooking something, but isn't neilbawds "PLACE" overly complicated ? 14:49:10 i write it as : place 2dup c! 1+ swap move ; 14:49:38 on the tool belt page, it is: : place 2dup 2>R char+ SWAP chars MOVE 2R> C! ; 14:50:33 for symmetry : place 2dup c! char+ swap move ; 14:51:53 ( a1 n a2 -- ) 15:28:42 Speuler: its a strange situation, but what if that c! overwrites a byte in the source string? 15:29:36 a2 right, that would be a valid concern 15:36:19 hey, people? 15:36:50 anybody got a UNIX box w/XF4 or such I can VNC into and use for a while? 15:37:00 (heh, thats a pretty large request lol 15:39:13 can't you burn a Knoppix cd? 15:39:25 No. 15:39:36 otherwise, i would, trust me :) 15:42:56 --- nick: _whatz4th_ -> SDO 15:43:14 hrm 15:43:20 being a remote sysadmin seems like fun :) 15:59:11 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@66-91-231-74.san.rr.com) joined #forth 15:59:11 --- mode: ChanServ set +o kc5tja 15:59:36 re for now 15:59:44 kc5: any info on _when_ Moore is coming here? 15:59:56 Not at this time. 16:00:25 I understand that he was invited by thin/cduce/futhin/whatever he's called this week, and I did sent CM an e-mail asking for clarification. 16:00:56 arke was apparently supposed to tell me this, but he apparently forgot, because the first thing he asked me when I joined subsequent to the event was, "When is he coming?" 16:00:57 ;) 16:01:20 Anyway, CM hasn't responded to either my e-mail nor cduce's e-mail yet. 16:01:29 So it's entirely up in the air. 16:12:34 --- quit: clog (^C) 16:12:34 --- log: stopped forth/03.09.25 16:12:58 --- log: started forth/03.09.25 16:12:58 --- join: clog (nef@bespin.org) joined #forth 16:12:58 --- topic: '#forth --- IsForth (Linux) (by I440r) @ isforth.clss.net --- Chuck Moore was invited, lets hope he comes :) -- FOR WHAT TIME was he invited? That'd be nice to know, so I can be here too!!' 16:12:58 --- topic: set by kc5tja on [Wed Sep 24 09:43:36 2003] 16:12:58 --- names: list (clog @kc5tja Herkamire XeF4 Speuler mmanning SDO TreyB fridge njd rO| arke Robert @ChanServ onetom skylan rpc Klaw ianP) 16:51:10 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@ip-207-198-223-100.nyc.ny.FCC.NET) joined #forth 16:51:10 --- mode: ChanServ set +o TheBlueWizard 16:51:15 hiya all 16:51:52 re 16:51:55 sinitaikuri 16:52:20 hiya kc5tja 16:52:28 XeF4: huh? 16:52:35 blue wizard 16:53:14 ah...Finnish rendering of my nick...neat 16:55:47 kc5tja: hey 16:55:55 re 16:56:19 I have those movies online now 16:56:45 Cool. What was the URL again? 16:58:04 --- join: rO|_ (~rO|@pD9E59B42.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 17:00:18 Danke. :) 17:07:12 --- quit: rO| (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 17:07:57 gotta go...bye all 17:08:30 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 17:13:16 i might have a contender for obfuscated forth .. looks like : : ['] ;; is (;) : ; 17:13:50 Yeah, I'd say that APL is generally much easier to read than that stuff. :D 17:14:33 was not a contrived example ... 17:14:47 turned out that way, but making sense 17:15:59 for use like: : foo ; code: bar ; primitive: blerp ; 17:16:23 and ; ( giving "unbalanced" ) 17:23:15 Off to aikido. 17:23:19 * kc5tja is away: Aikido 17:33:17 --- part: Speuler left #forth 17:43:32 --- quit: XeF4 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:21:04 --- join: I440r (~I440r@0-3pool22-214.nas2.longview1.tx.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 18:33:52 kc5tja: i dont know anything about it .. 18:34:38 --- topic: set to '#forth --- IsForth (Linux) (by I440r) @ isforth.clss.net --- Chuck Moore was invited by email, however, we have not gotten a response yet.' by arke 18:51:45 --- quit: fridge (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:13:01 --- join: fridge (~fridge@dsl-203-33-164-231.NSW.netspace.net.au) joined #forth 19:14:08 --- quit: fridge (Client Quit) 19:36:28 --- join: fridge (~fridge@dsl-203-33-164-231.NSW.netspace.net.au) joined #forth 19:37:43 --- quit: TreyB (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:38:05 --- quit: clog (^C) 20:38:05 --- log: stopped forth/03.09.25 20:38:28 --- log: started forth/03.09.25 20:38:28 --- join: clog (nef@bespin.org) joined #forth 20:38:28 --- topic: '#forth --- IsForth (Linux) (by I440r) @ isforth.clss.net --- Chuck Moore was invited by email, however, we have not gotten a response yet.' 20:38:28 --- topic: set by arke on [Thu Sep 25 18:34:38 2003] 20:38:28 --- names: list (clog fridge I440r rO|_ @kc5tja Herkamire mmanning SDO njd arke Robert @ChanServ onetom skylan rpc Klaw ianP) 21:06:58 * kc5tja is back (gone 03:43:38) 21:09:36 --- part: Herkamire left #forth 21:12:22 --- join: TreyB (~trey@cpe-66-87-192-27.tx.sprintbbd.net) joined #forth 21:31:55 * kc5tja is away: food 21:32:21 * arke is back (gone 01:04:08) 21:50:20 * kc5tja is back (gone 00:18:26) 22:23:20 --- join: Serg_Penguin (Serg_Pengu@212.34.52.140) joined #forth 22:23:25 hi ! 22:27:00 /whois I440r I440r 22:27:07 r u there I440r 22:28:48 * arke is away: sleep 23:14:39 back for now. 23:16:36 i think of trying to add some neat features to IsForth 23:17:09 what folks need more - dynamic libs interface or running external progs ? 23:17:46 Personally, I'm going to concentrate on dynamic library support in FS/Forth -- it's more useful to me. 23:18:30 For example, the first FS/Forth release will be based on the SDL libraries to provide a clean frame buffer to work with. But I'm also planning on writing X11 and some console applications with it too. So I need to be able to change user interface libraries as the application permits. 23:21:52 no, i won't write anything ex general capability to use libs 23:21:55 like: 23:22:07 uselib /lib/zip.so 23:22:51 libfunc pack 23:22:57 libfunc unpack 23:23:00 etc... 23:23:49 * Serg_Penguin gotta reboot several times 23:23:53 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 23:24:01 I wasn't going to support words like uselib or libfunc myself; I was going to basically provide a raw interface to libdl instead (dlopen, dlclose, and dlsym), and let the user make his own primitives from those. 23:24:24 Off to bed. 23:24:37 --- quit: kc5tja ("THX QSO ES 73 DE KC5TJA/6 CL ES QRT AR SK") 23:36:56 --- join: Serg_Penguin (Serg_Pengu@212.34.52.140) joined #forth 23:37:22 --- quit: Serg_Penguin (Client Quit) 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/03.09.25