00:00:00 --- log: started forth/03.09.24 00:19:21 --- join: Robert (~snofs@h31n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #forth 00:45:28 --- join: karingo (karingo@5.portland-03-04rs.or.dial-access.att.net) joined #forth 01:16:30 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~z@212.34.52.140) joined #forth 01:41:52 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 02:46:33 --- quit: arke (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02:46:42 --- join: arke (~rk@ca-cmrilo-docsis-cmtsj-b-36.vnnyca.adelphia.net) joined #forth 03:05:14 --- quit: arke (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:05:21 --- join: arke (~rk@ca-cmrilo-docsis-cmtsj-b-36.vnnyca.adelphia.net) joined #forth 03:18:54 --- join: snowrichard (~richard@host-216-79-206-48.shv.bellsouth.net) joined #forth 03:19:14 anybody awake 03:23:01 --- quit: snowrichard ("Client Exiting") 04:50:14 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~z@212.34.52.140) joined #forth 04:50:42 --- quit: karingo (""you will see"") 05:34:45 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 05:52:35 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~z@212.34.52.140) joined #forth 05:57:08 --- join: yasam (~sam@210-54-228-9.dialup.xtra.co.nz) joined #forth 06:30:02 : infinite-loop recurse ; 06:30:33 : nop ; 06:30:37 return stack overflow ;)) 06:30:46 bah :) 06:31:22 er 06:31:47 a decent forth optimizes "recurse ;" to jmp 06:31:50 :) 06:32:57 oops ! 06:33:18 it changes algorithm, it's BAD 'optimistaion' ! 06:35:02 hmph 06:35:22 i hope chuck comes after i come back from school 06:35:36 oherwise ima be peeseed off 06:36:20 i hope logs will be on web soon ;)) 06:41:58 wrong 06:42:22 a decent forth does NO optimizations what so ever (2c) 06:42:48 is there a specific date/time for him ? 07:09:40 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 09:42:27 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@66-91-231-74.san.rr.com) joined #forth 09:42:27 --- mode: ChanServ set +o kc5tja 09:43:36 --- topic: set to '#forth --- IsForth (Linux) (by I440r) @ isforth.clss.net --- Chuck Moore was invited, lets hope he comes :) -- FOR WHAT TIME was he invited? That'd be nice to know, so I can be here too!!' by kc5tja 09:44:25 twas the last Q before u arrived 09:44:42 :) 09:45:02 I rarely read the logs for this channel. I have more important things to do with my time, like idle. 09:45:43 The Question has stood unanswer for a while, none seems to know :( 09:46:01 I shall not sleep until he arrives! 09:46:15 If it is 3 months, so be it! 09:46:29 will you wash your keyboard after he leaves? 09:46:44 I will get it framed 09:46:44 Heh 09:46:44 I dont get it either 09:46:59 I wonder if it was thin who invited him. 09:47:04 I'd make a killing on ebay 09:47:06 He's usually the front-man for that sort of thing. 09:47:30 "Keyboard used to communicate with Chuck Moore -- all original." $9.95. ;D 09:49:13 alas, I cant monopolise this phone line :( 09:49:22 Doh. 09:49:33 Charge money for every minute you're offline for "damages." :) 09:49:49 hehe 09:50:14 * kc5tja has a job interview today at In-n-Out burgers. 09:50:22 * kc5tja will be flipping burgers while going to school. 09:51:10 while? isnt a yoyo or something more traditional ;) 09:51:21 Huh? 09:51:27 I don't understand that question. 09:51:41 kc5tja: is IT in that poor shape near where you live? 09:51:43 interpreted going as travelling 09:52:15 fridge: Yes. I'll have been unemployed for one year come October otherwise. 09:52:35 But it's this way everywhere. 09:52:44 =( 09:52:49 come to .au =) 09:52:51 Tech industry is still normalizing after the '92 dot-com boom. 09:53:13 we have some jobs 09:53:14 fridge: I'm willing to bet that your businesses will still find me unemployable. 09:53:17 we stole some from the usa 09:53:22 and then india stole it from us 09:53:29 * kc5tja doesn't have any degrees or certifications. 09:53:33 and I think some other countries are stealing them from india 09:54:39 kc5tja: what are you studying at the moment? 09:54:41 fridge: "Hmm...no certifications, no qualifications, and can't speak German. The only thing going for you is your overwhelming preference for Metric system of measurement. That's a start, at least..." 09:54:49 I care not for such matters, I am an ivory tower dweller in training (just dont tell them of my dirty forht secret ) 09:54:54 fridge: I'm working towards a degree in Physics. 09:55:02 german? 09:55:23 fridge: .au is Austria, no? 09:55:27 .au is australia 09:55:36 Damn you for having such similar country names. 09:55:38 :) 09:55:40 comiserations 09:55:46 it is very similar, yes =) 09:55:50 .at is Austria 09:56:10 * kc5tja would love to visit .au someday. But I'm not certain I can fit in the culture there either. 09:56:22 no one else does, why should you 09:56:24 culture? 09:56:33 I used to know a friend from Australia, and his stories of what people do to each other "for fun" down there don't really interest me. 09:56:51 yasam: Yes. Australia has a very interesting history and culture. 09:57:04 kc5tja: hmm, not sure what you're referring to? 09:57:17 people being slack to each other for there own amusement? 09:57:31 kc5tja: me neither you must be thinking of austria again 09:57:37 fridge: One of the national past-times, it seems, is to try to piss someone off to the point where he starts throwing punches, and only THEN are they considered part of the clique. 09:57:50 Depends on how you mean by "Slack." 09:57:59 To be, being slack is being totally lazy and disinterested. 09:58:00 I've never witnessed that myself 09:59:22 kc5tja: (Im joking, its part of our culture to take jibes (is that a word?) at aus) 09:59:35 yasam: haha 09:59:58 I never got that rivalry 10:00:10 or any rivalry really, seems very common in football 10:00:26 though they take it to the point of killing each other 10:00:27 I assume you mean football as in Soccer? 10:00:32 yeah 10:00:45 seeing as thats what 99% of the world calls it 10:00:57 which football? you can always tell a countries most popular sport: its called football 10:01:01 I think most people call it football; we're one of the few exceptions. 10:01:18 yasam: in that case, soccer 10:01:45 the only sensible one really 10:02:01 Except for the manslaughter that occurs on the field 10:02:11 (after a game) 10:02:14 (to be called football) 10:02:54 football is league in oz? 10:03:28 I dunno... soccer is the most participated sport in the country 10:03:37 and afl is very popular currently 10:03:48 could be any of the three 10:03:50 here too, though when I was at school it was for poofs only 10:03:51 I guess that answers yasam's question. :) 10:04:17 or so I was told (I played myself) 10:04:25 Here in CA, it seems to be for women only. There are tons of commercials for the Women's Soccor Leage, but nothing publicized about a men's soccor leage. 10:04:54 * kc5tja can't participate in any sport involving hand- or foot-propelled projectiles. 10:05:08 I don't like sports that involve other people 10:05:15 too many egos 10:05:16 I've lost every single game I've ever participated in over the years. 10:05:34 * kc5tja overwhelmingly prefers bicycling. Man, that is one sport I absolutely adore. 10:05:41 Not racing, but just riding. 10:05:45 I've never raced either 10:05:53 but I ride 10k a day ;) 10:05:55 where I went to school you had to play two sports 10:06:02 Nice. 10:06:18 * kc5tja will start bike riding to work once he gets his bike back, and I learn the route better. 10:06:20 makes me feel alive 10:06:24 and every teacher had to coach one 10:07:00 had a puncture, helped a guy get his car started and talked to 3 people on the way home 10:07:12 in a car I just sit nearly motionless 10:07:21 until I reach my destination 10:08:09 I also enjoy aikido (obviously, since i yap about it so often!). 10:09:09 I used to take tai kwon do I thought it sucked 10:09:30 TKD does suck if you go to one of those McDonalds training halls/dojos/whatever they call it. 10:09:44 "You want a black-belt with that?" 10:10:13 * kc5tja gets so pissed off when I see someone go to a TKD dojo, and like, two months later, they've progressed farther in the art (supposedly) than I have in aikido in three years training. 10:10:49 That's three years of aikido training, and I'm only half-way to black-belt. Do the math. :) 10:10:55 thats yet another reason I need to look for a new job 10:10:59 wasnt like that, the head honcho (I cant recall the proper name) was good and very strict on etiquette 10:11:28 Well, etiquette is important. 10:11:29 can't do any courses or sports like aikido on a regular basis working my hours =( 10:11:37 But when ego gets involved, I agree, it really starts to suck. 10:12:56 if you approached him with your hands behind your back, then you were in trouble, same with aikido? 10:13:15 No. Never! Not at all! 10:13:26 We follow Japanese etiquette in an Aikido dojo. 10:13:34 The basic rules for etiquette are this: 10:13:49 1. If you're late for class, you wait on the side of the mat, sitting in seiza pose. 10:14:00 The instructor will, at his liesure, call you onto the mat. 10:14:31 You bow BEFORE you get on the mat (acknowledging the sensei), get onto the mat, bow AGAIN (acknowledging the founder of the art), then join in with the class as if you'd always been there. 10:14:44 2. Never talk while sensei's talking. If he's talking, he has something to say. 10:14:53 s/something/something important/ 10:15:31 3. The order of performing the art is higher-ranking students to lower-ranking, so that the lower ranking people see it more and can study it more. 10:15:49 4. You strike, I strike. Fair is fair. 10:16:52 5. If sensei interrupts you, corrects you, or yells at you in class, that's a GOOD thing. He sees something in you, and he wants to perfect you further. People he doesn't care about, he'll let them wither and die, so to speak. 10:17:55 6. Know your partner. Your primary responsibility is to make sure you and your partner are safe. 10:18:14 There are a few others, too, but I'm not remembering much more than these, since these are the most important. 10:18:26 The biggest thing is to address your instructor as sensei, and to bow. Bow lots. :D 10:18:37 and deep! 10:19:48 hmm, for some reason in tai kwon do your hands cannot be concelaed when talking to others 10:20:03 something to do with carrying weapons perhaps 10:20:13 Yes, very much so. 10:20:38 In aikido, at least, you don't need to bow deep unless you're bowing from seiza position. 10:20:52 And, do not look at the other person while bowing -- it implies lack of trust. 10:21:07 If you're on the street or something, that's different. But inside the dojo, it's important to trust. 10:21:23 the depth of a bow is important in traditional japanese culture in general though (or I think so) 10:21:33 ah I see 10:21:46 Well, it depends. 10:21:56 I've never seen anyone do a deep bow while standing. 10:22:02 Only while in seiza. 10:22:15 certainly you should bow deeper than he to you 10:22:24 The significance of the bow comes from the samuri -- I trust you won't chop off my head, and I'll bow to prove it. 10:23:26 I'm sure -- there's still much about Japanese culture I don't know. 10:23:42 But, I've never really ran into that situation. 10:24:12 We largely treat each other as equals in the class (principle of beginner's mind: when you get on the mat, you're a beginner -- always), except for sensei. 10:24:36 Also, ranking student always teaches, unless he asks a lower ranking student to teach in his stead. 10:24:43 The "sensei" is sensei because he is the ranking student. 10:24:55 If a shihan were to happen to come that day, then "sensei" becomes "student" just like you. 10:25:13 It's awkward to have your sensei doing the same things you are, because you're just not used to seeing him practice with you. :D 10:25:15 well, my parents had alot of business dealings with japanese, where the depth of your bow is an important barganing tool, you can come off as humble or assert you are their equall 10:25:58 That might be a business-specific practice, I don't know. I'd have to ask about that if I remember at the time. 10:26:12 I have heard that about businesses in Japan. 10:27:22 the thing I didnt like about tai kwon do was that people did moves in competition that got points ny making contact but would be ineffectuall in real life and thus against tai kwon dos teachings 10:27:53 Aikido is non-competitive; I think it's the only Japanese art that isn't. 10:28:14 At least, it's not supposed to be; Tomiki Aikido has competitions, but they're more competitive based on form rather than actual sparring. 10:28:42 E.g., Tomiki Aikido is more like Olympic figure skating than it is judo. :) 10:29:45 But, on the other hand, it takes decades of training in Aikido to be "effective" with it out on the street. 10:32:41 hopefully, a deterence to all the morons who think they take it up to be 10:33:29 Many people drop out of aikido early on, definitely. Especially the big, buff, obvious sports buffs who think they can keep up with us. :) 10:33:53 I remember one incident when a person walked in off the street and asked to observe a class. 10:34:17 We were going over basic tai sabaki that day, so nothing really serious in the throwing department. Just a bunch of getting off the line. 10:34:45 Half-way through the class, the person asked the sensei, "Is this all? There are no attacks or kicks?" 10:35:00 "Well, you're free to join us on the mat if you want." 10:35:15 He declined, and stayed until the end of class to watch. 10:35:53 Well, at the end of the class, he and sensei were talking (nothing harsh; both were smiling), and sensei was showing him some videos of previous classes (we record all classes) 10:36:35 I could see the expression on the person's face as he was watching. He must have been watching some breakfall techniques (probably some oyo wazas done really fast), and I thought the poor guy was going to faint. 10:36:44 Well, needless to say, we never saw him again. Ever. :) 10:37:21 Other people, who are more humble, try it and stay for at least six months before they depart -- a reasonable and nice attempt. 10:37:29 hehe 10:37:38 Those who are most humblest stay with the art for years, or even for the rest of their lives. 10:37:44 my brother took judo, so I know about those 10:38:24 * kc5tja nods -- both judo and aikido derive from the same art: jujutsu. 10:38:43 jujutso begat judo and aikijutsu. 10:38:48 aikijutso begat aikido. :) 10:39:06 So there are a lot of similarities between them, despite their differences. 10:39:49 In Japan, it seems a lot of aikidoka also take judo, and vice versa, because they both compliment each other so well. Judo for close-in fighting, aikido for problem deterence. 10:39:54 aikido is more offense oriented right/ 10:40:11 DEFENSE. Big-time defense. We have absolutely NO offensive strikes in aikido. 10:40:34 Our only offensive move is to goad the attacker into striking. That's it. And that's all mind-work (we call it 'leading the mind'). 10:40:37 oh so just like judo, 10:41:51 * kc5tja doesn't know too much about judo, not having taken it before. I know basically only lineage information, that's it. 10:42:33 it is only defense aswell, with alot of emphsis on falling throwing and holding 10:42:50 thats what I gathered anyway 10:42:55 Our emphasis is also on falling, throwing, and joint-locks. 10:43:04 But we always go with the joint movement, not against it. 10:43:12 So our joint locks are more like pins. 10:43:20 the opposite of tai kwon do 10:43:25 There are only two actual joint "locks" in Aikido -- nikkyo and yonkyo. 10:43:55 our teacher said "find out which way joints bend, and bend them the othe way" 10:44:09 That's useful only in the most dire circumstances. 10:44:18 For example, if I were attacked on the street, I'd try aikido first. 10:44:33 If that failed, THEN I'd go for the meaty stuff -- AIKIJUTSU for you, asshole!! ;D 10:44:38 also "the aim is to fell your oponent in your first action" 10:45:10 I think the tai kwon do motto must be take no chances 10:45:10 We fell our partners (we like not to call them opponents -- philosophical reasons) in our first reactions too (if done right). 10:45:25 But that's usually only with advanced techniques, adn those take a long time to learn to do properly. 10:46:15 alot of tai kwon do is maximising you muscle usage and balance when making blows 10:46:37 I respect TKD a great deal -- it really is an effective art, just like aikijutsu. But too many practitioners develop an ego. It's the ego which ruins it for everyone. 10:47:21 My biggest problem is NOT to use muscles while doing an aikido technique (the ideal technique is applied entirely by the attacker!), and yes, balance is important in aikido too. 10:47:23 yes, many of my costudents were assholes, and many more seemed to be just mucking around 10:47:46 * kc5tja nods 10:47:55 seams very similar to judo 10:48:02 I have a few video files on my box of aikido in action. 10:48:19 fridge@hovil:/u1/movies/aikido$ du -hs . 10:48:20 4.3G . 10:48:22 =) 10:48:23 One by the current doshu himself, even, though he's demonstrating only basic techniques. 10:49:10 I'm connected at 31200 :( 10:49:25 * kc5tja nods 10:49:35 4.3G of stuff over a 31200 line? You're a masochist! 10:50:11 *sniff* -- all the people riding by on their road bikes -- making me jealous!! >:/ 10:50:19 I won't get my bike back until Saturday, at least. 10:50:42 I just enter various search terms into xmule, that was the result for aikido 10:51:22 Whoops -- I didn't realize it was fridge who posted that. Sorry! 10:51:48 I apparently am not awake yet, despite having been up for an hour, and eating gratuitous quantities of sugar suspended in a syrup on top of my blue-berry waffles. 10:52:18 nice talking to you I have to be off 10:52:27 yasam: Likewise. :) 10:52:39 --- part: yasam left #forth 10:52:45 fridge: I admit, I don't have 4.3GB of Aikido stuff. 10:52:54 I barely have a 10MB worth of stuff, actually. 10:52:56 :) 10:53:55 Oops -- sorry, I have 11.8MB of stuff, according to K's desktop. :) 10:59:57 theres a couple of documentaries on morihei 11:00:31 I've haven't watched them all yet 11:07:23 You have them digitized? 11:07:40 Would they fit on a CD-ROM? What format? 11:07:55 I downloaded them all froma peer to peer network 11:08:35 I tried searching for aikido stuff on a P2P network once, but I couldn't find a thingg. 11:09:15 Any chance I could grab those movies from you at some future date? 11:09:26 * kc5tja would love to see them. 11:11:05 for sure 11:11:26 the movies are mostly mpeg 11:11:54 --- quit: I440r (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:12:01 --- join: I440r (~I440r@0-2pool71-129.nas3.longview1.tx.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 11:15:09 can forth be expressed in BNF ? 11:25:47 I440r-wrk: No, actually, it's been tried, but it can't be 100% expressed in BNF. 11:26:13 didnt think so 11:26:45 i t hink that would be a metric for a good language, if it can be expressed in bnf its not a good language :) 11:26:46 heh 11:26:50 high level that is 11:28:23 It's too free-form. 11:28:32 yup 11:28:36 Just as most spoken languages cannot be expressed as BNF. :) 11:28:43 heh 11:28:48 specially not english heh 12:56:22 --- join: tathi (~josh@pcp02123722pcs.milfrd01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 12:57:52 Hi tathi 12:58:21 hi Robert 13:25:20 * kc5tja is away: shower 13:32:56 --- quit: Fr3k ("reboot") 13:37:06 --- nick: rO|__ -> rO| 13:39:19 --- part: rO|_ left #forth 14:04:19 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@h000094d30ba2.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 14:21:19 * kc5tja is back (gone 00:55:59) 14:28:45 --- quit: Herkamire ("leaving") 15:16:20 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 15:35:23 * arke is away: I'm busy 15:35:49 * arke is back (gone 00:00:02) 15:36:03 That was quick. :) 15:38:23 heh 15:38:26 i thought i was away 15:38:31 guess not 15:38:35 just came home from sch00l 15:38:40 * kc5tja did the same thing a while back. 15:38:45 whats up'? 15:38:48 and 15:38:49 Nothing much. 15:38:51 when is chuck coming? :) 15:38:55 Wasting some time before going to a job interview. 15:39:02 arke: That's what I'd like to know. 15:39:12 Hence my little appendix to the topic. :) 15:39:13 hope he comes _now_ 15:39:15 :) 15:41:30 I just sent him an e-mail, asking for clarification on when he would be present, assuming the invite was for real in the first place. 15:44:38 watch him show up when were all somewhere else :P 15:44:40 hehe 15:44:51 we can blame it on microsoft or fbsd :) 15:45:42 Nahh, don't blame fbsd. Blame Commodore. They're always at fault, except for when Microsoft Did It. 15:50:11 Well, I have to go -- I need to get to the restaurant. 15:50:17 It won't pay to be late for your second interview. :D 15:50:32 * kc5tja is away: interviewing to flip burgers. 15:50:56 heh 15:51:04 ims be flippin burgers again soon :) 16:24:15 good luck! 16:24:18 break a leg! 16:25:34 :) 16:25:39 when is chuck coming? 16:57:52 --- join: rO|_ (~rO|@pD9E59E17.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 17:16:10 --- quit: rO| (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:41:50 hrm 17:41:58 where should I start for my binary spitter? 17:42:03 probably the interpreter stack. 17:42:08 whats a good cell size, you think? 17:45:52 1 17:46:41 haha 17:46:43 no 17:46:44 :) 17:52:56 aww. 17:54:28 --- join: LOOP-HOG (TofuMonste@207.191.240.27) joined #forth 17:54:51 hi 17:55:45 y0 17:56:09 i got a job today 17:56:23 i hope it works out to be tolerable and somewhat sane 17:56:30 YAY 17:56:34 yeah 17:56:50 its not a programming job, i'm not a pro programmer 17:57:13 i get to fight with character recognition software in a scanning/input business 17:57:37 i know that character recognition software is fundamentally flawed, but maybe it won't be so bad 17:57:40 is it like pro wrestling? 17:57:49 it might be :^) 17:57:52 can you punch it in the kidneys? 17:58:01 that always hurts 17:58:31 maybe it more like rastling, which is like wrestling but its unprofessional and you do it with your kid brother 17:59:18 atleast its on swing, which is my usual shift 17:59:29 we got banned from playing rastling 17:59:36 after I got thrown through a window 17:59:38 banned from where? 17:59:41 my house 17:59:41 lol 17:59:54 did you have to sleep under a bridge 18:00:15 stay up all night at dunkin donuts? 18:00:38 no, just no more rastling because my parents got sick of having to replace things we broke during our fightin' 18:01:29 ouch 18:02:53 that reminds me of the time when i was a kid and i was running around at some friends house and the mom had cleaned the sliding glass door to the back yard and i didn't see that it was closed and ran right into it 18:03:13 I did that last week 18:03:21 no, a few months ago now, but anyway 18:03:55 was rather drunk, went to go out the door thinking it was open and lost my balance and put a big dent into the case of a Sun S3/80 18:04:17 too bad 18:04:33 threw it out 18:06:41 i like track balls 18:07:07 i bought this logitech model a month or so ago 18:07:44 its pretty nice, the way the arrow zips around the screen without having to move a mouse around the table 18:07:57 which reminds me i need to try this guy with missle command 18:08:23 is it finger or thumb operated? 18:08:57 there is a ball in the middle of it and i click the mouse button with my thumb 18:09:15 my gf has a thumb operated microsoft trackball, that is, she uses her thumb to move the ball 18:09:21 maybe missle command will work if i can get the missles to fire with the keyboard, and move the crosshairs with the trackball 18:09:24 she's a mouse hater ;) 18:09:38 of both kinds 18:09:59 i like the track ball an order of magnitude better than the mouse 18:10:22 well this logitech is very comfortable 18:11:08 i have a Saitek p750 game controller and it is mearly adequete 18:11:29 I tried the much praised microsoft sidewider and found it to be a world class peice of junk 18:12:11 the directional pad was so slippery it was like ice skating, and the throw on the analog control was so short that it might as well have been a digital pad 18:12:24 worthless 18:12:54 just because the sales person talks it up does not mean you should buy it 18:13:34 macdonalds is the most popular restraunt, it must make the best food, right? 18:13:49 <> 18:14:41 i'm thinking that if the trackball is this good i would like their controller, but i'd need to try it 18:15:01 oh oh !!!! in a few months i'll b able 2 get a PS2 and a GC 18:15:10 :^) 18:16:20 do you guys have game machines? 18:16:38 I have a nintendo gamecube 18:16:55 i would probably get mario and metroid 18:17:38 yeah, metroid is pretty cool. 18:18:01 I have a bunch of old stuff, DC, Saturn, NES, PS1, Jaguar 18:18:34 its hard to find anything new i want to play on the DC 18:20:53 PS1 now is like what 2600 used to be, an infinate supply of 3rd party games for cheap 18:22:20 not 2600 is considered vintage 18:22:22 !!!! 18:22:27 darn i'm gettin old 18:24:06 how can you argue that the 2600 is _not_ vintage 18:25:02 you can't 18:25:20 its the only game machine i know of that has simulated wood grain finish 18:25:38 hehehe 18:25:43 i meant " now 2600 is considered vintage" 18:25:55 2k games 18:26:03 better than beige 18:26:03 256 bytes of ram 18:26:10 raster chasing 18:26:26 the hardware couldn't even keep up with the screen redraw 18:26:35 better than monopoly 18:26:51 better than chutes and ladders 18:27:07 oh, there was a reprogrammable game machine older than a 2600 18:27:23 it was the Oddysey, it came out in 1972 and it was a state machine, no CPU 18:27:59 it was so primitive that it could not generate a background, it came with transparent plastic overlays that you taped ontop of your televisio screen 18:28:23 the controllers had two knobs on them 18:28:28 reminds me of the vetrex 18:29:01 the vetrex had a cpu, it came with its own vector display, but it was b/w 18:29:15 had the colour screens that you put on the monitor 18:29:24 ok 18:30:22 i never played one 18:30:29 they looked neat 18:31:19 vector display was pretty unique 18:31:32 they were always brighter at corners where the photon gun changed direction 18:31:35 i think that it was the only home game machine to use one 18:31:59 ofcourse they were used in the arcade where each arcade machine could be custom hardware anyway 18:33:48 do you have one? 18:35:07 marble maddness!!! 18:35:24 i loved that old game, always stunk at it though 18:35:35 there is a openGL clone for linux 18:35:40 I play it a lot at work ;) 18:35:43 called trackballs 18:35:54 i've always heard rumors that Atari used Forth for some of their arcade games but i don't know which ones 18:36:01 they probably would have been some of the latter games 18:36:10 like early to mid 80's 18:36:30 fridge, what do you do? 18:37:02 just system operations 18:37:22 baby sitting unix machines? 18:37:28 sorry i don't know 18:39:39 yeah, pretty much 18:40:12 just fix them when they break and patch security problems etc 18:40:29 i think i get it 18:43:00 i think its time to split 18:43:05 i'll see you later 18:43:08 time for bed 18:43:10 night 18:43:16 --- quit: LOOP-HOG () 19:20:23 * kc5tja is back (gone 03:29:50) 19:24:54 --- quit: fridge (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:40:48 --- quit: TreyB () 19:41:31 --- quit: I440r (Connection timed out) 19:42:17 arke: I sent e-mail to Chuck to see if he's even been invited, and if so, when. As soon as I find anything out, I'll be sure to post the information here. 19:42:22 (sorry for the lengthy delay) 19:46:47 --- join: gilbertdeb (~gilbert@fl-nked-ubr2-c3a-37.miamfl.adelphia.net) joined #forth 19:46:57 aloha 19:47:06 Greetings 19:47:24 what are we gonna ask CM? 19:47:32 I don't know. 19:47:44 is it going to be moderated like before? 19:47:44 I truely don't know what is going on. I don't know who invited him, or for what reasons. 19:47:50 Probably so. 19:47:55 Assuming other people know about it. 19:47:55