00:00:00 --- log: started forth/03.09.23 00:44:19 --- join: Serg_Penguin (Serg_Pengu@212.34.52.140) joined #forth 00:44:53 --- quit: Serg_Penguin (Client Quit) 00:48:59 --- join: mur (~mur@h31n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #forth 00:58:42 --- quit: mur ("lessons") 01:47:05 --- join: onetom (~tom@cab.bio.u-szeged.hu) joined #forth 01:47:06 --- quit: onetom_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02:29:32 i was a ham-radio washout 02:29:33 oh well 03:32:19 --- join: bashfire (~bashfire@pD9545F6A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 03:39:44 --- quit: SDO (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 03:39:44 --- quit: mmanning (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 03:39:44 --- quit: Robert (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 03:39:44 --- quit: ChanServ (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 03:41:54 --- join: SDO (~SDO@co-trinidad1a-42.clspco.adelphia.net) joined #forth 03:41:54 --- join: mmanning (~mmanning@64.238.237.215) joined #forth 03:41:54 --- join: Robert (~snofs@h31n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #forth 03:43:55 --- quit: Robert (No route to host) 03:47:38 --- join: Robert (~snofs@h31n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #forth 04:02:34 --- join: rO| (~rO|@pD9545F6A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 04:03:17 --- nick: bashfire -> bushfire|omg 04:15:12 --- join: yasam (~sam@219-88-8-201.dialup.xtra.co.nz) joined #forth 05:18:25 --- quit: jstahuman (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:41:31 --- join: gps (~gps@166.70.196.201) joined #forth 05:54:11 --- nick: mmanning -> I440r-wrk 06:04:52 --- join: ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) joined #forth 06:04:52 --- mode: zelazny.freenode.net set +o ChanServ 06:05:10 --- quit: ChanServ (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06:05:21 --- join: ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) joined #forth 06:05:21 --- mode: zelazny.freenode.net set +o ChanServ 06:05:36 --- quit: ChanServ (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06:05:39 --- join: ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) joined #forth 06:05:39 --- mode: zelazny.freenode.net set +o ChanServ 06:06:00 --- part: yasam left #forth 06:08:21 --- nick: gps -> _gps_ 06:44:00 --- join: yasam (~sam@219-88-8-201.dialup.xtra.co.nz) joined #forth 06:48:58 --- join: tathi (~josh@pcp02123722pcs.milfrd01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 07:19:13 --- join: fridge (~fridge@dsl-203-33-164-231.NSW.netspace.net.au) joined #forth 07:33:12 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 07:41:15 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~z@212.34.52.140) joined #forth 07:56:59 --- join: ian (~ian@63.208.76.4) joined #forth 07:57:33 serg i got your message yesterday, i would be interested in seeing that code, ill mail you tonight so you can send it to me :) 08:01:08 just gimme u'r adress, but mangle it against sniffers 08:01:24 i can privmst it to you :) 08:04:14 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@h000094d30ba2.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 08:05:51 morning folks :) 08:12:22 morning herk, all 08:13:39 morning 08:17:33 here is good night soon ;)) 08:17:43 Hi 08:17:47 hi 08:19:06 --- quit: ian ("leaving") 08:22:53 anybody feel that they've learned/discovered enough about forth to write a little article about it for forth.bespin.org? 08:23:11 sore 08:23:15 sUre 08:23:28 Serg_Penguin: cool :) what would you write about? 08:23:33 i may describe my terse control words, .. 08:24:00 my xperience w/ kc5tja's keybindings 08:24:03 ... 08:24:21 Hmm... I don't think I've learnt anything more revolutionary, except the usual Forthy things that people already know. 08:24:44 and an attempt to write general purpose parser for text mixed w/ commands 08:25:07 } some text { command } more text { YAcommand } 08:25:10 Serg_Penguin: sounds like good stuff. I'm curious about the control words most. 08:25:33 REP ?? ?; RE ?RE 08:25:58 Robert: I think there's also quite a need for good beginer's tutorials 08:26:18 Robert: perhaps tailored to a particular forth you know well 08:27:06 Serg_Penguin: what do they do? 08:27:22 : 20spaces 20 REP space ; 08:27:31 coool 08:28:10 trying to think how I'd implent that 08:28:23 : rep param swap 0 do dup >r execute r> loop drop ; ( n -- ) 08:28:30 in IsForth, tested 08:29:04 \ Control words 08:29:04 \ : (re) latest name> here - 1+ , ; 08:29:04 \ : re compile branch (re) ; immediate 08:29:04 \ : ?re compile ?branch (re) ; immediate ( bool -- , at runtime ) 08:29:04 : ?; if r> drop then ; ( bool -- ) 08:29:05 \ : ?? ifnot r> 2+ >r then ; ( bool -- ) 08:29:07 : rep r@ swap 1 do dup >r @ execute r> loop drop ; ( n -- ) 08:29:15 in GpForth 08:29:38 oh I see. I was thinking for some reason that it looped back to the begining of the word 20 times. duh 08:30:02 RE and ?RE do so, one time ;) 08:31:00 neat. so: : 2spaces space re ; 08:31:14 no ! dead loop ! 08:31:29 Herkamire: Yes, that's also important. But I think a good Forth tutorial (at least from an assembly programmer's point of view) should build a Forth from scratch, while teaching the language itself. That way the reader learns first how to make abstractions, then how to use them. 08:32:06 RE is just GOTO start 08:32:15 Serg_Penguin: ok 08:32:42 tail recursion is cooool 08:33:26 ?? exits in a true flag? 08:33:52 rep repeadedly executes the next token? or the whole rest of the word? 08:33:56 ?? skips over next word if true 08:34:12 next token 08:34:52 ?; EXIT's if true 08:35:19 cool 08:35:21 I like 08:35:22 ERR ?? executes next word if true 08:35:47 by skipping over IFNOT 08:36:03 tampering w/ return stack ;)) 08:36:23 Robert: Perhaps on top of an imaginary MISC for simplicity 08:37:01 so, loop bodies and conditional branches -> separate words 08:37:06 Robert: that would be very cool to have a tutorial on how to write a for in asm. 08:37:09 it helps factorization 08:37:21 I think writing your own forth is one of the best lessons 08:38:05 \ Field to packed level 08:38:05 : 6*+ 6 * @f+ + ; ( n -- n*6+f@ ) 08:38:05 : 6pk 0 6 rep 6*+ !a+ ; ( -- ) 08:38:05 : f>l 0af! 67 rep 6pk m @ !a+ ; ( n -- ) 08:38:36 \ a piece from one-liner SOKOBAN 08:39:27 !a+ and @f+ are A-register-alikes, respectively cell and char 08:39:41 yasam: Doesn't have to be, but it could be an advantage, yes. It could also be a disadvantage to people who are used to, say, x86. 08:39:45 0af! resets counters 08:40:22 IMHO straight from no-programmer to writing Forth is way too steep gradient ;(( 08:41:13 I want someone to write something that will animate a forth parser an the stack 08:41:37 take any Forth and tamper w/ inner loop 08:41:44 not much of the parser, 08:42:10 I just want it to show the source as a string of chars with spaces (that you can type in and then watch) 08:42:13 or write your own 'address interpreter' atop of existing, in Forth 08:43:26 rewrite INTERPRET to single-step and show stack 08:43:30 you watch it grag the next word of the left end, and if it's a number, than you watch it float over to sit on the top of the stack. if it's one of + - / * then you watch it float up between the last two items of the stack, and you watch them merge into one (the result of the math0 08:43:53 why float ? 08:44:05 just pic of both stacks, TIB etc... 08:44:07 float, hover, zip, fly 08:45:43 I want this as a way to help new new newbies to grasp the concept of a stack, and that there really really really is no syntax 08:46:20 the animation could also feature . and emit 08:46:56 IMHO it takes converting one existing Forth to DEMO-Forth ;)) 08:47:04 at ASM level 08:47:23 asm level? 08:47:37 you could write this on top of any forth with graphics capabilities 08:49:16 hack EXIT ? to allow run-time single-stepping 08:49:40 stepping is trivial in tokenized forths 08:49:53 or write own tokens interpreter ? 08:49:54 dont need to hack either exit or nest or next to do single stepping of forth 08:50:04 just have a seperate interpret loop for the debugger itself 08:50:15 no need to do bullshit patches etc 08:50:27 or special kernel builds to allow the debugger 08:50:55 im still working out some issues with linux keyboard input - when i have that finalized the debugger is next 08:51:02 I'm not really that interested in including definitions in the animation. just numbers and: + - * / . emit 08:51:04 hmm.. never wrote a stepper ;)) 08:51:13 maybe not emit 08:51:45 breakpoints will still require patching of corse 08:52:43 my ceiling just started leaking... directly into my garbage can 08:53:17 Herkamire: u gonna play U-571 ;))) 08:53:21 (down my calendar a bit on the way... but I still think it's pretty funny that all the drips are landing in my garbage can. I only have one in my whole (big) room) 08:53:30 Serg_Penguin: what's that? 08:53:35 unlucky and lucky 08:54:35 U-571 is a submarine thriller movie 08:56:57 serg, 'below' was better 08:57:21 U-571 was one of those movies which just makes you sit there going 'that isn't right, that isn't right *AT ALL*' 08:57:56 i agree, U-571 is less true than propaganda poster 08:58:04 I could write a short and very elementary tutorial on a tile puzzle game I implemented a while ago for something a bit different than the usual tut 08:58:17 serg, have you seen 'below' ? 08:58:24 yasam n^2-1 game ? 08:58:28 serg, its a horror movie, but based in a submarine, and pretty good, IMO 08:58:44 it's no 'Das Boot' but what is? 08:58:51 umm whats that? 08:58:55 das boot is good! 08:59:13 as submarine movies go, Das Boot will remain the measureing stick for decades to come, i suspect 08:59:37 heh, i'll dig video-pirates trashboxes 08:59:47 here only XXX and kick-face sells good 09:00:07 serg, the basic premise of 'below' is that they're on a WW2 american sub patrolling the atlantic... 09:00:15 and their captain dies, and the ship becomes haunted by him 09:00:31 to tell you WHY he is haunting the ship, or anything more, would spoil the plot, sadly 09:00:52 but its a very underhyped movie, one of the best horror type movies in a long time, IMO 09:01:33 I440r-wrk: no, whats that? 09:01:40 * Serg_Penguin wants to collect all sub movies 09:01:46 serg, some real classy effects too 09:01:48 is sub fan ;)) 09:02:22 serg, this doesn't spoil the plot... but often times when someone sweeps a lantern over an area, as the light moves away from an area, you sometimes see the ghost fade away from the light... 09:02:49 sometimes it's intended for you to see it, other times it's just there and not 'pointed out' by the plot 09:03:22 they seem to be all insane ;) 09:03:33 death at sea is not uncommon ;( 09:03:45 they should just go home quietly... 09:04:25 serg, well, this wasn't accidental death, he was murdered, but i'm in the realms of revealing plot :P 09:05:43 serg, there is one annoying bit, that is very unbelievable, tho 09:06:10 one U lost cap and few officers coz unlucky 100lbs bomb hit in a tower, and they limped home anyway 09:07:31 serg, back where my parents live, in the UK, there is a ghost U boat 09:08:12 the story/legend goes that it grounded off the coast while trying to follow what the captain thought was a target (was a lighthouse) and people swear that in foggy weather, the U boat is sometimes visible 09:09:06 what happened to crew ? captured ? 09:09:17 serg, killed, but i can't remember how 09:10:11 i *think* it might have been that a patrol spotted the grounded boat and bombed it, but i'm not positive 09:10:19 sucked into sand ? famous place what ate South Hoodwin lighthouse ? 09:10:20 its been a few years since i tried to study the legend 09:12:41 RU ace Lunin who damaged Tirpitz gave famous radio 'I perish but don't surrender'... 09:12:47 and returned anyway 09:14:23 he had volume fire in engine room, and was haunted by german patrols 09:16:20 other boat named 'Lembit' (forgot who captain) was burning till all O2 burnt, but never surfaced to be captured 09:17:07 serg, never realised the soviets had much in the way of subs in WW2 to be honest, its rarely mentioned 09:17:18 men who worn breathe masks survived, by attaching masks to HPVA tank-blow system then air in masks was expended 09:18:19 actually, they were struggling for life many howrs after fire gone out coz no O2 in boat 09:19:41 Suzanne: not many subs but many heroes 09:20:01 it's rarely mentioned coz nasty political reasons 09:20:07 *nod* 09:20:25 common joke here is what yankee won the war in Africa 09:21:54 after a while, ppl won't realize what soviets ever fought in a war, coz it'll be "rarely mentioned" 09:22:48 I doubt that 09:23:03 unless they destroy all the history books in existance currently on the subject 09:23:40 worse, to be from a small country 09:23:42 though most of the history I've read regarding russia was in regards to stuff like the seige of leningrad 09:23:59 not much on their naval conflicts 09:24:07 fridge, and the race to berlin 09:24:14 yeah 09:24:45 seige of leningrad... is a crime naturally 09:25:08 all food was concentrated in ONE place, easily bombed out 09:25:49 and it seems like one who did it, was playing at Germany side 09:27:14 would stores be scattered all over the city, many people won't die hunger death 09:30:57 heh, i remember another hero, pilot who was fighting till end of fuel covering air evacuation from Leningrad 09:31:32 he was only pilot in history who shot 5-7 enemies in his only fight - he was green ! 09:31:44 did he parachute to safety? 09:31:57 water-landed 09:32:12 crazy 09:32:45 germans were shooting parachuters, or it might be too low 09:34:58 land observers say what germans threw up to 30-50 planes in a dogfight, coz they were unable to count how much Russians are here ;)) 09:35:44 it was 5 or 7 initially 09:37:26 he was a modest hero ;) and said what he was just afraid of turning his back and lost timing in a stress of fight ;) 09:39:10 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 09:39:41 yasam: ? 09:39:48 my apologies my cat typed that 09:40:46 ;))))))))))) 09:46:18 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 10:25:23 gforth has littered my home directory with files, grrr, I cant be having this 10:26:59 hah really 10:27:02 what flies 10:27:04 iles :P 10:29:09 kernl64l.fi- and such I assumed this was normal? 10:29:33 --- join: Fr3k (~anvil@h33n2fls31o815.telia.com) joined #forth 10:29:35 hasen't happened to me 10:29:40 what are you doing with gforth? 10:31:10 nothing yet, I just followed the installation instructions 10:33:37 weird. 10:33:50 don't think I've ever installed gforth by hand 10:35:18 where is the file I mentioned located for you? 10:35:42 hello Fr3k watup? 10:35:57 no much yasam 10:36:01 not even 10:42:36 --- join: tathi (~josh@pcp02123722pcs.milfrd01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 10:49:30 yasam: I don't see any such file 10:49:52 thanks for looking 10:54:44 hrmm, I'll have to learn more about the unix side of things (I'm on Mac OS X) 10:56:20 <_gps_> could it be that you extracted a tarball into your home directory and it didn't create a directory? 10:56:40 <_gps_> Does tar -ztf gforth...tar.gz list a directory as the first path or files? 10:57:16 _gps_: usually most tar.gz-s have a folder at their toplevel 10:57:32 just as gforth....tar.gz 10:58:49 all GNU software tarballs extract into a subdirectory. 10:58:51 <_gps_> yah but it doesn't stop some people from not following convention. 10:59:02 one of their coding standards things 11:00:05 no I extracted gforth tarball then typed the path to the configure file in the gforth directory, then make, then make install 11:00:44 <_gps_> tar -zxvf gforth*.tar.gz; cd gforth; ./configure ? 11:01:50 actually it was autoextracted when it finished downloading, and I dont know what most of that line means 11:02:07 (it works fine) 11:02:27 <_gps_> man -k is your friend 11:02:59 --- quit: Suzanne ("Client exiting") 11:04:19 yasam: you typed gforth.../configure ? 11:06:06 no ...gforth.../configure 11:09:48 is the current directory used by more than just the shell? 11:10:10 (this question may reveal my depth of ignorance) 11:12:33 <_gps_> yes 11:12:46 <_gps_> programs inherit the shell's environment usually 11:12:56 ok thanks that will be it 11:13:02 <_gps_> setenv or export will show you what variables are exported. 11:18:43 yasam: when you buld software. cd to the directory. always run configure as ./configure 11:19:26 most software (if it will build at all from a different directory) will use the current directory for many temporary files (and generally won't clean them up) 11:19:31 ok cheers 11:20:15 I like to build stuff in the directory it came in because when I'm done installing I can just delete the whole mess 11:20:25 will do, I have to be off, thanks for your help 11:20:36 --- part: yasam left #forth 12:10:43 --- join: wossname (wossname@HSE-QuebecCity-ppp81405.qc.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 12:26:42 --- quit: wossname ("wtf omg blahLthg") 13:40:25 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 14:28:03 --- quit: _gps_ (".") 15:41:43 --- join: arke (~rk@ca-cmrilo-docsis-cmtsj-b-36.vnnyca.adelphia.net) joined #forth 15:44:12 --- topic: set to 'somebody think of a reason to invite Chuck Moore to this channel so that he may give another online fireside chat. || Here's a reason: A new revolutionary (non-color)Forth Operating System :)' by arke 16:00:26 arke: revolutionary in what way? 16:02:00 isn't chuck the one who sais that "an operating system is a non-thing"? 16:05:37 bah 16:05:38 :) 16:05:54 basically, its just a standalone forth with some nice features 16:08:48 like 16:09:00 integrated framebuffer, blah blah blah 16:57:51 --- join: rO|_ (~rO|@pD9E59639.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 16:57:56 --- join: rO|__ (~rO|@pD9E59639.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 17:02:45 --- topic: set to 'somebody think of a reason to invite Chuck Moore to this channel so that he may give another online fireside chat. || Here's a reason: A new revolutionary (non-color)Forth System :)' by arke 17:06:20 --- quit: rO| (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 17:06:21 --- quit: bushfire|omg (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 17:46:37 --- quit: arke (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:48:43 he can call this new system fifth 17:54:23 --- quit: njd ("Leaving") 17:54:55 --- join: njd (~melons@njd.paradise.net.nz) joined #forth 17:55:54 fridge: chuck?? 17:56:00 chuck called something fifth? 18:13:31 --- join: arke (~rk@ca-cmrilo-docsis-cmtsj-b-36.vnnyca.adelphia.net) joined #forth 18:15:13 I was reffering to the topic 18:15:19 revolutionary new forth 18:29:05 hello :) 18:29:42 --- quit: arke (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:30:15 --- join: arke (~rk@ca-cmrilo-docsis-cmtsj-b-36.vnnyca.adelphia.net) joined #forth 18:40:25 how about a revolutionary colorForth system 18:40:28 i like that better 18:55:26 naah 18:55:30 i dont like cf too much :) 18:55:34 well 18:55:40 i do, but i dont like the keyboard thing 18:55:43 or the block system 19:01:05 keyboard has quite a learning curve 19:01:13 there is a qwerty version 19:01:53 what don't you like about the blocks? 19:02:53 well, i would prefer an object-like system 19:03:01 shouldnt be that hard to implement either 19:03:02 but 19:03:14 chuck is gonna fill us in on what he thinks 19:03:26 and hes l33t 19:03:27 :) 19:29:54 don't think chuck likes objects 19:30:31 probably some people in here do, but you're probably better off discussing objects in some other channel 19:30:48 unless you want 8 opinions on why they suck ;) 19:30:58 not _that_ kind of objects 19:31:01 as in 19:31:13 a self-organizing filesystem 19:41:21 the keyboard is a piece of cake 19:41:32 piece of the cake 19:42:14 and blocks are blocks.. they're just a filesystem minus the system 19:43:04 well 19:43:15 :D 19:43:18 youll see 19:43:25 somebody invite him! 19:43:53 arke: what are you going to ask him? 19:44:09 if you were any colorforth word, what word would you be 19:44:29 did the news about ben and j-lo break your heart? 19:44:44 Herkamire: talk to him about my idea :) 19:44:48 and other people could talk too 19:44:59 and i really want to talk to him, he seems to be sch a cool guy 19:45:03 such* 19:45:18 * Klaw bites his tounge 19:45:56 i'll bet you could make a wicked worm using colorforth. 19:46:10 Terminator 3 style 19:46:48 you could do anything with colorforth 19:46:49 but 19:46:54 eh 19:47:01 ignore the but, meant for another window 19:51:06 it would be practical, and could easily pass along any updates later programmed in 19:51:16 well 19:51:22 all it needs is a malevolent AI to run it 19:51:50 i would prefer a setup which supports actual keyboard, and allows mods too (like qwerty, awerty, qwertz, dvorak) 19:51:51 and 19:51:56 better screen resolution 19:51:57 and 19:51:58 it allows mods 19:52:02 and there are screen resolution changes 19:52:08 there is a mod'd one with qwerty 19:52:19 and the dvorak doesn't take much effort to learn 19:52:26 especiall since it's onscreen 19:52:27 self-organizing filesystem 19:52:41 what do you mean by self-organizing anyway 19:52:52 like 19:52:55 you want the unix style hierarchy? 19:53:01 no 19:53:09 like 19:53:13 you want pegan rituals held in the vatican? 19:53:21 a PDF file called foo could be found 19:53:25 PDF.foo 19:53:27 eh 19:53:33 Types.PDF.foo 19:53:38 Types.Documents.foo 19:53:43 Types.Documents.PDF.foo 19:54:08 and lets say you described it as programming language tutorial 19:54:17 in the meanwhile you could program the TCP and an interface to a postgresql server on a remote box 19:54:17 Tutorials.programming.foo.foo 19:54:23 and use it for all your fileserving and searching needs 19:54:30 the ltree module on it is wonderful 20:28:27 --- join: LOOP-HOG (TofuMonste@207.191.240.84) joined #forth 20:44:35 --- join: thin (thin@bespin.org) joined #forth 20:44:48 hmm 20:44:51 i'm emailing chuck moore 20:45:17 and i'm telling him that he should damn well propagate heh 20:45:31 "I was thinking about how Ayn Rand didn't have any kids, and how that is annoying because her genes weren't propagated. I sort of think that every self-respecting genius should damn well propagate. And that includes you." 20:45:33 hrm? 20:45:56 thin: well, invite him here tomorrow 20:46:00 for tomorrow 20:46:01 he mentions on his website that he has a son 20:46:08 oh right 20:46:33 forgot 20:46:39 well great, now i don't have to tell him to propagate, lol 20:46:43 thin: have him come tomorrow afternoon and stay a while 20:46:45 :) 20:47:04 what is this about a new noncolor forth system? 20:47:34 my idea 20:47:39 :) 20:47:39 or 20:47:43 actually, colorforth but different 20:48:02 --- topic: set to 'somebody think of a reason to invite Chuck Moore to this channel so that he may give another online fireside chat. || Here's a reason: A new revolutionary Forth System utilizing the whole keyboard and a self-organizing filesystem:)' by arke 20:48:13 so you propose to invite him to discus various color forth offshoots or something? 20:48:21 n 20:48:21 o 20:48:27 sent the email 20:48:31 i propose to invite him so i can talk to him :) 20:48:31 too late to give him a reason :P 20:48:50 :) 20:48:52 email him yourself.. chipchuck@mindspring.com 20:48:53 and also 20:48:53 well, its a nice inventation i take it atleast 20:48:56 talk about my idea 20:49:09 thin: naah, i suck at writing nice emails 20:49:24 id probably make myself look like a complete idiot 20:49:29 "Hello Mr. Moore, 20:49:36 "Please make me your monkey. 20:49:39 heh 20:49:39 " Regards, 20:49:41 " Arke 20:49:48 good enough 20:49:49 send it 20:49:54 no way :D 20:49:57 why not? 20:49:59 he might.. 20:50:01 last time there were a gob of questions and there was somebody to give them to him one at a time 20:50:11 yeah that was me 20:50:24 ppl msged me questiosn and i gave them to chuck 20:50:28 if we come up with about 20 good questions then maybe we can have him come down to answer them? 20:50:42 i want to personally talk to him about my idea. 20:50:45 :) 20:50:52 he seems like such a great guy 20:50:53 and 20:51:18 arke: he's extremely terse. you won't really get that much out of it if you blather about your idea and rambling on and on 20:51:22 i could ask my dad if hes ever talked personally to a famous programmer, and he would say no, and i could say "bleeeaaah!! I did!" 20:51:25 --- join: I440r (~I440r@0-2pool71-129.nas3.longview1.tx.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 20:51:35 thin: "terse"? 20:51:39 I440r: y0 20:51:45 short and to the point 20:52:01 :) 20:52:02 arke: he says the least amount of words necessary 20:52:11 i440r: i emailed chuck moore just now 20:52:17 lol 20:52:18 cool 20:52:20 :) 20:52:21 told him ppl were crying 20:52:25 lol 20:52:30 did he answer yet ?? :) 20:52:33 *sniff* 20:52:35 i could ask my dad if hes ever talked personally to a famous programmer, and he would say no, and i could say "bleeeaaah!! I did!" 20:53:01 you could ask your dad if he's talked to god.. :P 20:53:04 and say "i did!" 20:53:11 YES! 20:53:12 :D 20:53:42 im famous! at least 3 or 4 people know me :) 20:53:44 does that count ? 20:53:52 chuck is the male demigod of Forth and Elizabeth is the female demigod of Forth ( she was the first person to learn it) 20:53:59 arke: you'd better make sure to make your idea very concise and make sure you have some specific questions to ask.. otherwise you are just gonna be blathering 20:54:13 loop-hog: nah, elizabeth is the devil equivalent.. she fell from heaven 20:54:25 i dont idolize chuck, nobody should - but heaps of respect are definatly in order :) 20:54:29 I440r: of course, _you_ made isforth! 20:54:30 we don't speak the e-word here 20:54:39 why not? 20:54:42 what did she do? 20:54:46 heh, just kidding 20:54:49 thin i think not, i disagree with alot of what she says but she isnt evil 20:55:03 because she sells SwiftForth its its like 500k? 20:55:52 when i turnkey a system on Swift its like 500K big 20:56:00 and you should be careful, maybe she reads the logs :) 20:56:02 loop-hog: no, i view forth & chuck moore's philosophy one and the same. so when other forthers don't have the same values/philosophy they aren't really forthing in my opinion 20:56:07 lol 20:56:14 clog might be reporting to her personally :) 20:56:44 --- quit: Herkamire ("goodnight") 20:56:45 --- topic: set to '#forth --- IsForth (Linux) @ isforth.clss.net --- Chuck Moore was invited, lets home he comes :)' by arke 20:57:00 s/home/hope 20:57:03 i met her before at a trade show and she didn't seem evil, like with horns comming out of her head, or glowing red eyes 20:57:22 also I met Steve Argwal 20:58:11 common dude, she isn't Bill Gates 20:58:20 I440r: lets hope he notices that _you_ made isforth :) he'll be proud of you lol 20:58:34 I'm afraid that if i ever say BG in person that he would give me a psyonic attach and crush my id 20:58:46 --- topic: set to '#forth --- IsForth (Linux) (by I440r) @ isforth.clss.net --- Chuck Moore was invited, lets home he comes :)' by arke 20:58:48 loop-hog: actually she's prolly more like bill gates than chuck moore 20:58:50 :D 20:58:57 arke: s/home/hope 20:59:05 --- topic: set to '#forth --- IsForth (Linux) (by I440r) @ isforth.clss.net --- Chuck Moore was invited, lets hope he comes :)' by arke 20:59:38 thin: what do you think about self-organizing filesystems? 20:59:45 maybe we can make a crossplatform game in the same idiom as HACK except that the monsters are replaced with famous computer people 20:59:54 arke: mental masturbation until you build it 21:00:06 thin: haha 21:00:06 arke: ree is the lord of all mental masturbators 21:00:22 thin: hahahaha 21:00:26 I will stop because i don't want to offend anybody 21:00:28 thin: yes, sometimes he is 21:00:42