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00:28:06 <a7r> yoh
00:39:35 <ianP> yo
02:42:41 <Robert> y
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04:56:29 <Speuler> www.forthfreak.net made it into the netcraft uptime stats: http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.forthfreak.net
04:59:12 <Robert> You must be proud!
05:00:04 <Speuler> about the 100% uptime ?
05:00:28 <Robert> Right.
05:00:32 <Speuler> wasn't me who wrote linux
05:00:58 <Robert> Lies 
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05:26:10 * Speuler lies down too
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05:51:16 <snow_richard> morning.
05:52:10 <Robert> Hi snow
05:52:43 <snow_richard> recoding that Michael language my web site is gone and that was my only backup
05:53:51 <Robert> Heh.
05:54:11 <mur> hey snowman!
05:54:13 <Robert> That's sad... but I guess it says something about the importance of backup copies.
05:54:21 <snow_richard> have some more web space with shreve net
05:54:22 <Robert> Which reminds me, I should go make some backups myself.
05:54:33 <Robert> ....later :)
05:54:35 <mur> Robert my backup copies are ok! i did them 5 years ago already!
05:54:44 <mur> ;)
05:55:37 <snow_richard> says a litte more about keeping people updated with your email address.  If they could have reached me about the web site billing it would still be there :) 
05:56:23 <Robert> mur: Hehe.
05:56:37 <Robert> snow_richard: That too, I guess.
05:57:13 <mur> snow_richard we have non-profit org in finland
05:57:25 <mur> which provides email addresses with one time cost 
05:57:30 <mur> and email shoudl work until you die
05:57:32 <snow_richard> at any rate I don't have a great deal to do at this place except fiddle with the computer
05:57:59 <mur> hmm.. email redirecting i meant
05:58:04 <snow_richard> and go to alcoholics anonymous meetings
06:00:14 <Robert> mur: home.se
06:00:32 <mur> is it non-profit organization (not firm) ?
06:00:55 <Robert> Not sure... have a look.
06:01:14 <mur> since, if it is profit making firm, the contract may be subject to change some day
06:01:19 <mur> if there are bad ages
06:01:40 <mur> but [non-profit] organizations are not making profit from the users, but it's made by the users
06:03:09 <snow_richard> later
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09:07:03 <arke> y0 all
09:07:07 <arke> mur: terve!
09:07:42 <mur> terve arka
09:08:31 <arke> mur: how goes life, my scandinavian friend #2?
09:08:39 <mur> ij
09:08:40 <mur> ok
09:08:47 <mur> soon life is going on more, when i go walk with dog
09:08:54 <arke> :D
09:08:55 <mur> i think life will progress 1-3 km
09:10:10 <arke> my life usually progresses about 2km a day, which is the occasional distance betwenn bedroom, kitchen, and bathroom, and all the range my fingers type added to that
09:10:43 <mur> uh
09:10:54 <mur> mon- friday i travel with public transportation at least 20 km
09:11:01 <mur> maybe 30 km and sometimes 40 km
09:11:08 <XeF4> my life sometimes seems to progress 30km in one day, but then I end up going to sleep in the same place from where I woke
09:11:42 <mur> do you know with whom do you sleep next to?
09:11:43 <mur> ;)
09:11:56 <mur> 30 km with bus, metro and trams
09:12:11 <mur> fridays i usually take train for 100-150 km
09:12:17 <mur> 120 km maybe
09:12:23 <mur> in addition to that
09:12:27 <XeF4> Hel->Lahti?
09:12:33 <mur> 1
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10:13:09 <Speuler> schon mal jemand lpforth gesehen ?
10:13:38 <Speuler> ehm
10:13:50 <Speuler> s/german/english/
10:13:53 <Robert> What's lpforth?
10:14:02 <Robert> (i.e. no) :P
10:14:22 <Speuler> metacompiler for linux. can call functions in dynamic link libraries
10:14:27 <Speuler> not too big
10:14:32 <arke> hmm ... sw33t
10:14:57 <Speuler> i've put a link on the wiki
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10:15:02 <Robert> Nice.
10:15:05 <Robert> Hi ez4 
10:15:08 <Speuler> under ForthSystems
10:16:00 <Speuler> Includes assembler for metacompiling and improvement of speed.
10:16:29 <Speuler> Includes utility words to make system easy to be explored
10:16:41 <Speuler> last two lines taken from "features"
10:18:42 <ez4> hello
10:19:21 <Speuler> 'day
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12:31:54 <tathi> I love coming back to Forth after programming in other languages.
12:32:01 <tathi> It's such a nice feeling. :)
12:37:41 <Herkamire> :)
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13:35:38 <Herkamire> man, I make the weirdest bugs.
13:37:15 <mur> cool
13:37:50 <mur> my back is dead
13:38:03 <mur> it hurts like hell no matter what position it is i
13:38:03 <mur> n
13:39:21 <tathi> :(
13:40:29 <Herkamire> sucks. try floating in a bath
13:40:46 <mur> no bath
13:41:44 <mur> i put pillows behind back, so my back is now like C
13:41:50 <mur> half circle..
13:42:00 <mur> it hurts less that way
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13:43:21 <mur> hello snow richard
13:43:29 <snow_richard> hello
13:43:49 <snow_richard> mostly a lazy day here.  took a nap
13:44:29 <snow_richard> watched "Dances with Wolves".
13:45:07 <snow_richard> and "Patch Adams"
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13:48:11 <snow_richard> oh my.  a shell on fire :) 
13:48:52 <snow_richard> hi
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17:36:26 <arke> y0
17:37:34 <Herkamire> hi arke 
17:37:45 <Herkamire> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) I squashed my bug :)
17:37:49 <Herkamire> my forth works again :)
17:38:28 <Herkamire> I should test my code more thuroughly
17:40:57 <arke> :)
17:43:21 <Herkamire> ahhhhh it feels good
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17:49:03 <arke> :P
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18:22:15 <arke> what are the most minimal forth words one needs?
18:22:19 * arke thinks
18:22:37 <arke> + - * / dup swap over emit @ !
18:26:15 <arke> create does> mod drop
18:26:32 <arke> r> >r
18:26:40 <arke> thats pretty much it, i would say
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18:38:52 <Herkamire> arke: I like : personally...
18:45:15 <arke> oh
18:45:16 <arke> heh
18:45:17 <tathi> ooh, intermittent bugs. fun!!!
18:45:21 <arke> and : and ; of course
19:04:17 <Herkamire> arke: I reccomend also having: for next if then
19:04:21 <Herkamire> and tail recursion
19:05:28 <arke> hmmm ... :)
19:30:12 <tathi> grr...
19:32:50 <tathi> I hate bugs that don't happen with the debugger running.
19:39:09 <tathi> actually, if I were smart, I would have realized half an hour ago that that always indicates caching problems
19:39:13 <tathi> doh!
19:56:21 <arke> hm?
20:10:29 <tathi> I was having problems with my forth interpreter.
20:12:49 <tathi> on something like 1 in 4 if statements the code lined up just wrong on a cache boundary and my code didn't flush it.
20:13:03 <tathi> but of course, I have other programs running, so sometimes it got flushed anyway
20:14:10 <tathi> and when it happened, it would do a very small infinite loop until the caches got flushed
20:14:25 <tathi> which typing some text would usually do
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20:14:38 <tathi> (that had me looking in all the wrong places :)
20:20:16 <arke> :D
20:24:59 <Herkamire> caching bugs are bastards.
20:25:28 <Herkamire> my old unit tests really came in handy with that because they ran the forth 12 times.
20:26:44 <arke> Hah!
20:26:48 <arke> I am gonna do a first here.
20:27:01 <arke> I certainly believe that there is no SML Forth out there yet.
20:27:32 <tathi> as in a combination of SML and Forth?
20:27:38 <tathi> or SML written in Forth?
20:27:43 <tathi> or Forth written in SML?
20:27:52 <tathi> ;)
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20:30:29 <arke> forth written in SML
20:31:14 <Herkamire> arke: go for it
20:31:21 <arke> buut
20:31:33 <arke> i have to get a little more familiar with SML, especially string parsing, first
20:31:58 <tathi> sounds like fun
20:32:04 <tathi> though I don't know SML at all
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20:35:09 <Herkamire> I reccomend making a forth in a language where you have direct access to memory (like C or asm)
20:35:34 <Herkamire> but whatever, just write a forth. have fun, learn lots
21:00:06 <arke> :D
21:16:21 <Herkamire> writing a forth is a major learning experience.
21:16:42 <Herkamire> two-fold if you're writing it in a language you aren't completely farmilliar with.
21:19:23 <arke> lol
21:19:26 <arke> well
21:19:32 <arke> i think ill write funth in pure asm :)
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21:22:01 <arke> shouldnt really be hard .... well, actually, yes.
21:22:21 <Herkamire> just try it :)
21:22:27 <Herkamire> you'll learn a ton I promise
21:22:34 <arke> ill probably have the most trouble with environments
21:23:11 <arke> and the parsing :)
21:23:15 * arke sucks at parsing
21:23:16 <arke> :)(
21:23:17 <arke> :(
21:24:50 <Herkamire> forth parsing is so easy it's a joke
21:25:02 <Herkamire> all you have to do is read in input to the next whitespace
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23:26:38 <arke> this place hasnt been very active lately
23:26:51 <arke> especially since kc5tja and Suzanne aren;t around for some reason
23:47:13 * arke is away: sl33p
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