00:00:00 --- log: started forth/03.09.10 00:11:00 --- join: gilbertbsd (~gilbert@fl-nken-u2-c3b-178.miamfl.adelphia.net) joined #forth 00:12:11 --- quit: gilbertbsd (Client Quit) 00:28:30 --- quit: gilbertdeb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:58:15 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~z@212.34.52.140) joined #forth 01:12:07 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 02:59:06 --- join: mur (~mur@h31n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #forth 02:59:08 hello 02:59:13 (quick break in symposium) 03:09:35 silence. 03:14:44 --- quit: mur ("symposium") 03:29:16 --- join: bashfire_ (~bashfire@pD9EE143A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 03:33:31 --- quit: bashfire (Nick collision from services.) 03:33:42 --- nick: bashfire_ -> bashfire 03:55:06 --- join: crc (~crc@AC853950.ipt.aol.com) joined #forth 03:57:56 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~z@212.34.52.140) joined #forth 04:02:22 --- quit: Serg_Penguin (Client Quit) 04:05:48 --- quit: crc ("I was using TinyIRC! Visit http://www.tinyirc.net/ for more information.") 04:11:33 --- join: crc (~crc@AC853950.ipt.aol.com) joined #forth 05:36:19 --- part: crc left #forth 06:11:35 --- join: ez4 (~ez4@pcp01518726pcs.reding01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 06:46:09 --- join: centuari (fsdf@61.0.155.118) joined #forth 06:46:27 --- quit: centuari () 10:49:59 --- join: tathi (~josh@pcp02123722pcs.milfrd01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 11:13:07 --- quit: tathi (""bleh"") 12:17:35 --- quit: TreyB () 12:57:01 --- join: TreyB (~trey@cpe-66-87-192-27.tx.sprintbbd.net) joined #forth 14:12:25 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@pca7dn08.ppp.fcc.net) joined #forth 14:12:25 --- mode: ChanServ set +o TheBlueWizard 14:12:30 hiya all 14:12:59 hi tbw 14:13:11 hiya Suzanne 14:17:04 tbw, you don't happen to have experience with CSS do you ? 14:17:56 Cascading Style Sheet? only a little 14:18:12 well, i'll ask then, if you don't know, you don't know... :) 14:18:22 if i define a style H2.toc does a H2 within a
equate to H2.toc ? 14:18:24 right :) 14:19:59 hmm...I believe it is a flat definition (i.e. not hierarchial / scoping), so I would say yes. Then again, I dunno...and of course it may be browser dependent, web standards notwithstanding 14:20:51 yeah, well, if it looks right on a CSS capable browser, but defaults back to 'standard' behaviour on browsers that don't work right, its not a big deal 14:21:01 i just want to indent sub-sections in my toc listing :) 14:21:17 i suppose i can try it, its probably the easiest way to find out if its right 14:22:01 yeah...good luck with that :) 14:23:00 * TheBlueWizard sometimes wishes there is a "Compleat Guide to HTML/CSS/DHTML/XHTML/whatever for Dummies and Geniuses and Language Laswyers" :) 15:03:26 Hey. 15:03:42 I just learned that my programming teacher used to code some Forth in the 80s, heh. 15:03:47 And now he's teaching C++ to beginners. 15:03:50 Poor guy :) 15:05:14 hiya Robert 15:05:37 lol...yeah...C++ is atrocious, but it sells 15:07:21 Actually, he protested when the school wanted to switch from Pascal to C++. 15:07:42 Not that Pascal is much better, but it sure is easier to teach. 15:08:46 Pascal is good for teaching, yes....though I'd recommend something a bit more modern than Pascal 15:09:46 Well, Deplhi brought Pascal to the 90s, but not much further. :) 15:11:03 yep...plus Delphi is a commercial (e.g. not open standard) language, so can't really use that IMHO 15:12:00 can use Delphi, sure, but it ain't exactly portable in the sense that you don't have to depend on a specific vendor for its standards / definitions / whatever 15:13:47 Hmm... Free Pascal and that GUI project for it is said to be quite Delphi compatible. 15:13:56 Besides, they teach MSVC++ here. 15:14:08 MFC isn't exactly the most portable thing there is. 15:16:08 no 15:16:23 but it is one of the most widely used FC out there 16:00:53 MFC sucks :P 16:01:31 it suffers from the classic framework problem, that being, that to do anything beyond the simple, you end up having to rewrite large chunks of the framework 16:01:32 hehe...yeah 16:02:14 on the paper it looks well done...but when you push the envelope...bang, it's rotten 16:02:49 i went back to plain win32 after struggling to do anything with MFC 16:03:31 it LOOKS slower to develop win32, but, otoh, you save a HUGE amount of time that you waste trying to find out how to do something in MFC, and then when you discover you can't, reimplementing the classes involved 16:05:27 * TheBlueWizard has never done any real development with win32 and MFC 16:05:51 but I've heard numerous horror stories, and yours is rather typical 16:06:05 tbw, *nod* 16:17:49 gotta go...bye all 16:18:40 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 17:11:20 --- quit: Suzanne ("Client exiting") 17:27:19 --- join: Suzanne (~suzanne@65-73-37-205.bras01.mdl.ny.frontiernet.net) joined #forth 17:35:14 --- join: I440r (~I440r@sdn-ap-005txhousP0102.dialsprint.net) joined #forth 17:47:25 --- join: arke (~rk@ca-cmrilo-docsis-cmtsj-b-36.vnnyca.adelphia.net) joined #forth 17:49:16 --- quit: SDO ("Vision[0.9.6-0203]: i've been blurred!") 17:50:49 --- join: SDO (~SDO@co-trinidad1a-42.clspco.adelphia.net) joined #forth 18:04:31 hmm, octree is an interesting application 18:04:45 kind of reminds me of blender, but for CAD 18:07:12 hey all!!!! 18:07:20 ." hey all" 18:07:23 :P 18:45:15 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@c-24-62-127-94.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 18:46:19 I went to the ocean today :) 18:46:38 and now I get to play with forth :) 18:46:45 what a wonderful day :) 18:48:27 :) 18:48:28 :) 18:48:29 :) 18:48:34 i am happy for you :) 19:58:57 I'm installing Linux on my girl friend's computer! 19:59:23 Windoze is becoming so disfunctional that she's finally ready to give it a try :) :) 20:01:11 --- part: njd left #forth 20:23:28 --- join: _arke_ (~rk@ca-cmrilo-docsis-cmtsj-b-36.vnnyca.adelphia.net) joined #forth 20:23:57 Herkamire: hehe, my girlfriend uses KDE without complaining 20:24:11 granted, all she does is surf the web and use chat things 20:24:38 --- quit: arke (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20:25:00 :) 20:25:21 my girlfriend mostly just uses the web 20:25:35 and a text editor sometimes. 20:26:40 oh, and mp3 player and AIM 20:28:36 hmm, get ready for some serious tech support :) 20:28:58 it can't be worse than my gf on windows 20:31:10 no, but she can't blame the switch to Linux for further problems 20:31:38 She needs BeOS or somthing simple 20:32:06 *sniff* BeOS 20:32:43 I liked the API for BeOS 20:33:07 Thanks! 20:33:53 (although I didn't have much to do with the APIs most folks used) 20:34:03 heh 20:34:09 yeah, all that GUI stuff 20:34:22 bleh 20:44:03 tech support will be much easier with Linux. 20:45:34 Yep. You can pretty much guarantee that they can't hose the box beyond repair. 20:46:39 i would probably use NetBSD 20:46:56 i find it cleaner 20:54:57 TreyB: exactly. Windoze got to the point where it ran for an average of about 40 secconds before freezing completely (like no mouse movement or ctrl-alt-del) 20:57:46 http://www.microapl.co.uk/asm2c/ 21:03:39 uuter: crap that's expensive 21:05:42 heh, yeah 21:05:45 but cool 21:05:59 they have some x86 <-> PPC asm translator action as well 21:09:03 neat. 21:09:23 I just want a ppc mac emulator for windoze 21:09:35 utter feed isfiorth kernel sources through that :) 21:11:30 --- quit: uuter ("ircII EPIC4-1.1.6 -- Are we there yet?") 21:23:41 <_arke_> isforth sources would break most translators :P XD 21:24:12 --- quit: I440r (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21:24:34 --- join: I440r (~I440r@sdn-ap-005txhousP0102.dialsprint.net) joined #forth 21:44:47 Did someone mention beos here :) 21:45:07 <_arke_> y0 all 21:45:13 _arke_, howdie partner 21:54:37 --- join: I440r_ (~I440r@sdn-ap-010txhousP0506.dialsprint.net) joined #forth 21:59:45 --- quit: _arke_ ("Client Exiting") 21:59:52 --- quit: Herkamire ("bedtime") 22:09:48 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~z@212.34.52.140) joined #forth 22:10:13 hi ! 22:16:44 --- quit: I440r (No route to host) 22:27:49 /me is feverly installing new patches for holes in MS DCOM 22:45:47 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 22:54:53 --- quit: I440r_ () 23:53:26 --- join: gilbertdeb (~gilbert@fl-nked-ubr2-c3a-37.miamfl.adelphia.net) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/03.09.10