00:00:00 --- log: started forth/03.09.02 00:09:40 Hmmm. 00:24:33 --- join: bliss (~bliss@24.66.121.31) joined #forth 00:25:33 --- quit: bliss (Client Quit) 00:48:10 gilbertdeb: u wanna say the 'nuke' is too cruel ? 00:48:19 Hi serg 00:49:21 hi 01:02:32 Serg_Penguin it is only a proposition. 01:08:55 yeah, almost untested :)) tested in inadequate conditions 01:20:45 --- quit: rk (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:39:07 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 02:32:25 --- join: bizfish (~nils@p508696C0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 02:56:57 :) 02:57:01 Zzzz 02:57:02 --- quit: gilbertdeb ("Told you I could quit any time!") 03:40:36 --- part: bizfish left #forth 05:35:07 --- join: nickname03 (ident@203-219-179-14-nsw.tpgi.com.au) joined #forth 06:11:09 --- quit: onetom (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06:11:09 --- quit: rpc (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06:11:27 --- join: onetom (~tom@cab.bio.u-szeged.hu) joined #forth 06:11:27 --- join: rpc (~rpc@global.whiteh8.net) joined 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the initial release 08:55:15 hmmm.. looks pretty 08:55:45 lemme look ... 08:58:08 thx 08:58:42 sw33t 08:58:44 its nothing super special... but nice 08:59:26 if you havent looked at the "tutorial", please do and make some comments :) 09:00:19 just curious... im gonna hard code this (for now): what is that standard TAB spacing in Forth? I typically use 3... 09:01:12 i typically use no TAB, coz different deitors/viewers use different steps 09:02:29 so tab -> space? 09:03:09 i make some "smart tabs" in that CR will auto copy the previous lines indent (spaces/tabs or mix) 09:05:46 jma: leaf sounds very cool :) 09:05:56 thanks :) 09:06:13 looks very thurough 09:06:31 there is only 1 thing left to add before uploading... 09:06:40 opening a file automatically (command line) 09:06:54 not many forth projects in here get to the point of being user friendly 09:07:22 jma: are you the guy who was playing with getting a forth running on GBA? 09:07:41 yep... still got it :) 09:07:47 and it rocks 09:07:53 remove /leaf from the url above 09:07:54 cool :) 09:08:06 Dragon BASIC is a BASIC->Forth compiler 09:08:23 * Robert shrugs. 09:10:53 very interesting :) 09:11:00 * onetom is about again 2 finish his color editor, coz he already knows how 2 aquire screen dimensions in gforth :) 09:12:37 impressive :) impressive 09:12:41 any buyers yet? 09:14:07 about 100 09:14:19 i actually didnt expect that many 09:14:32 a lot of kids are getting interested in Forth 09:14:34 :) 09:16:49 GOOD! 09:16:50 :) 09:17:17 onetom screen dimensions for a terminal ? 09:17:20 thats easy 09:17:27 look at the bottom of term.f in isforth 09:17:33 I440r-work: sure, ioctl 09:17:42 rigtt 09:17:47 right even 09:17:47 heh 09:17:48 TIOCGWINSZ 09:18:01 so whats yer problem? :) 09:18:29 i didnt knew how can i make ioctl calls from gforth 09:18:43 but fortunately its integrated into it 09:18:48 :) 09:18:53 i just had 2 dig its sources a lil 09:18:56 its so easy in isforth :) 09:19:05 sure 09:19:09 ;)) 09:19:20 i digged isforth src ;)) 09:19:21 but other things r so unusuall... 09:19:37 but i plan 2 adopt isforth too 09:19:48 whats unusual about isforth? 09:20:28 jma: a lot of things i440r told us ~2yrs ago 09:21:12 heh 09:21:19 * Serg_Penguin gotta go home 09:21:27 later serg! 09:21:30 atm, i use gforth for ontopoflinux hacking & me father uses flux, picforth, gforth & holonforth 09:21:35 he also liked sol 09:21:43 whats sol ? 09:21:53 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 09:21:54 jma: wow! how long have you had it up for sale? 09:22:00 your father codes forth too ? 09:22:05 herk: about 6 months 09:22:20 I440r-work: sure. i learnt it from him many yrs ago 09:22:49 I440r-work: & last yr i introduced & learnt him enth/flux ;) -- as a payback 09:22:53 my father introduced me too! 09:23:26 hmmm.. these fathers r like that... :) 09:23:58 me father also copied holonforth 2 my sisters computer :) she was born in 1991... 09:24:29 12 iS a good age to start forth :) 09:24:35 13 ? 09:25:57 Hehe. 09:26:02 My sister doesn't want to. :( 09:27:48 :) 09:28:46 jma: congradulations :) sounds like good money :) and I like your shareware policy. How long did you spend coding it? 09:29:11 whats teh url for that ? 09:29:34 seems to me at wisn't thaaaat long ago I heard you asking about how to get the gba hooked to your computer (through linux?) 09:29:49 whats a gba? heh 09:29:56 game boy advanced 09:30:06 scr00 gba. 09:30:08 I440r-work: jma made a forth for it. 09:30:16 its all about TI-83 :) 09:30:18 what is a gba ? 09:30:20 ohhhhh 09:30:28 whats the url for it ?? :) 09:30:35 * arke wants to make a forth for his TI-83 09:30:37 its got work left to do 09:30:41 www.simforth.com 09:31:06 herk: took about 6-8 months to code 09:31:23 not long for the forth kernel, but a lot of work on all the API functions 09:32:04 music and sound was a bitch, too 09:32:07 err - all i see is a basic compiler for it heh 09:32:16 the BASIC compiles to Forth (TIN) 09:32:37 Neat thing, jma. :) 09:32:44 if you pass -tin on the command line, it assumes the source file is Forth and just compiles it straight 09:32:51 jma: that's awesome. I hope the money keeps coming in 09:33:08 i doubt it will... there are cracks out already for the reg. code ;( 09:33:12 you code basic and it compiles forth ? 09:33:18 you wrote a basic interpreter in forth ? 09:33:19 heh 09:33:21 yes 09:33:23 no 09:33:29 the BASIC compiler is in C 09:33:40 whats teh link for the forth compiler ? 09:33:49 they are one and the same (for now) 09:33:54 oh lol 09:33:59 can you code forth then ? 09:34:03 I'm working on some redesign 09:34:03 for the bga ? 09:34:05 yes 09:34:09 cool! 09:34:13 it is my own kind of Forth, tho 09:34:24 I'm currently making it more ANS 09:34:30 yukk :/ heh 09:34:37 jma: why? 09:34:48 well, the GBA has some interesting characteristics 09:35:02 and I didn't want to be bothered with an interpreter (over serial) 09:35:31 for example: the GBA cannot byte-read 09:35:46 and it forces a Harvard architecture 09:35:52 which sux :( 09:36:03 no it doesnt 09:36:07 --- join: thin (thin@bespin.org) joined #forth 09:36:14 just simply not a 4th arch 09:36:21 just simply not an ideal 4th arch 09:36:21 data and code are separate 09:36:21 i440r: you got the job? :) 09:36:29 hah! hello thin 09:36:45 u r also busy nowdays :) 09:36:49 ooh, leaf looks leat 09:36:58 thx 09:37:06 later today the download will work 09:37:11 onetom: yeah, school has started now, so maybe i'll be on the net more 09:37:12 y'all gotta tell me what you think 09:37:42 thin: instead of learning.. iknow how it goes ;) 09:37:54 heh :P 09:38:03 nah, this time i'm gonna get serious 09:38:20 get scholarships etc cuz i have no money :P 09:38:43 -- he said... for about the ~3rd time.. >;) 09:38:54 thin! 09:39:03 ah, money ... me have neither :) 09:39:44 i440r-work: hey! 09:39:50 so did you get work?? 09:39:56 what is the job? 09:40:25 working with satelite tracking stuff :) 09:40:30 all in forth! 09:41:36 cool 09:43:30 I440r-work: sw33t! 09:43:39 I440r-work: i wanna have a forth job ..... 09:44:18 * arke is away: sh0w3r 09:44:56 i440r-work: if you figure out how to hack into satellites thru your job, let me know ;) 09:51:03 --- quit: thin ("laters") 09:56:47 heh sorry - working hard :) 09:56:48 ish! 09:57:52 Neat. 09:58:06 --- join: uuter (~uuter@ajhg40uqy57xe.bc.hsia.telus.net) joined #forth 09:58:09 * Robert connects the satellite tracking software to his big laser. 09:58:10 Hi uuter 09:58:13 hello 10:02:32 * arke is back (gone 00:18:13) 10:03:18 * arke thinks of CGI-Forth 10:08:26 make any dynamic webpage with CGI-Forth! 10:08:37 #!/usr/bin/forth 10:08:59 .( Hello, World! ) 10:10:49 Ehm. 10:11:01 I tried to do that with IsForth, but something didn't quite work. 10:11:13 what was that? 10:11:19 Not sure. 10:11:20 erm it should work i think 10:11:29 isforth outputs to stdout so it should work 10:11:32 I440r-work: Even handling parameters and stuff? 10:11:44 oooh 10:11:49 maybe it needs to be like pure, so that it really only prints what its supposd to 10:11:56 make it #! /usr/bin/forth -sfload 10:12:13 I tried this a long time ago, before those new fancy parameters :P 10:12:24 :) 10:12:27 try again :P 10:12:28 * Robert leaves this for arke to try. 10:12:36 i dont have a place to try 10:12:39 :) 10:12:43 Bah. Then I'll do it. 10:12:54 robert is just lazy :P 10:12:56 * arke needs a website ... *eyes people* 10:12:57 Yeak. 10:12:58 Yeah 10:13:39 think of how easy it would be to make a website stat thing for any forth proggie! 10:13:48 Oh, CGI isn't enabled here. 10:13:49 * Robert lazy 10:14:14 I440r-work: btw, does IsForth have any compile-time printing routine yet? 10:14:23 I440r-work: Or do I have to compile a word with ." and run it? 10:15:41 * arke tries to imagine brainfuck CGI 10:15:55 Robert: : .( [char] ) word count type ; immediate 10:16:20 what do you mean - a compile time printing routine 10:16:25 thats what .( does 10:16:37 .( blah blah blah ) 10:16:53 Oh, you have .( ? I didn't think you did. 10:16:59 it always had that :P 10:17:08 yourjust too lazy to LOOK in the sources :/ 10:17:10 its in comment.f 10:17:24 which is only the FIRST thing compiled in the extend :P 10:17:33 I440r-work is t3h l33tz0r 4th h4x0r 10:17:49 grep ': .( ' *.f 10:20:45 i plan to make rkforth 95% isforth compatible 10:20:46 :) 10:21:55 Bleh! 10:22:13 But I tried .( sometime, I know I did. 10:22:44 it wont work in kernel.com unless you first fload src/ext/comment.f 10:28:23 I use the isforth executable. 10:29:31 hmm ... is there a way to get the address of a word? 10:30:17 ' word 10:30:29 that returns the cfa 10:30:49 you can then do >name to get the name field address 10:30:49 it just needs to return the address which in stc would make 'call address' 10:31:00 n>link to then get the headers link field address 10:31:13 ' (pronounced tick) returns the words cfa 10:31:15 remember, rkforth is gonna be different than all the other ones :) 10:32:03 I440r-work: oh, i finally found a better term :) natively compiled :) 10:32:33 that means that the forth code you feed the compiler is converted directly into assembler 10:32:46 even teh : defs end up as coded defs 10:32:51 yup. 10:33:03 i dont care what anyone says, thats NOT forth 10:33:11 ... 10:33:24 * arke cries 10:33:46 lol 10:34:08 * arke cries 10:34:09 * arke cries 10:34:09 * arke cries 10:34:10 I440r-work: Pfff... :) 10:34:19 why is it not forth? 10:34:25 it is _better_!!! 10:34:32 more flexible, sp33d, etc. 10:34:38 not always 10:34:46 its definatly not as space efficient 10:35:03 I440r-work: How about on forth chips, do you support threaded code there too? 10:35:06 if word headers are identifiable by XTs, do you really need the CFA field in the header? 10:35:06 space is not what i worry about :) 10:35:18 yes - why not 10:35:30 threaded microcode :) 10:35:45 I440r-work: How about if some speed is needed? 10:35:55 then write a coded definition 10:36:04 Hm. 10:37:10 rkforth is different. 10:38:08 rkforth will be l33tz0r 11:28:32 where's a good site to read about SCO vs IBM (quick overview and status of argument(s)) 11:37:47 --- join: gilbertdeb (gilbert@fl-nked-ubr2-c3a-142.miamfl.adelphia.net) joined #forth 11:46:10 --- join: jdrake (jdrake@CPE00045afdd0e8-CM014410113717.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 12:06:03 --- quit: jma () 12:10:49 --- nick: arke -> NickServ_ 12:11:52 --- nick: NickServ_ -> arke 12:16:46 --- join: innes (~innes@user-0c8gl9n.cable.mindspring.com) joined #forth 12:18:20 ! 12:19:37 ! 12:19:39 !? 12:23:23 --- quit: arke ("Client Exiting") 12:23:50 --- join: arke (~rk@ca-cmrilo-docsis-cmtsj-b-36.vnnyca.adelphia.net) joined #forth 12:31:47 --- quit: Stepan (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12:58:53 --- quit: gilbertdeb ("Told you I could quit any time!") 13:17:08 --- quit: uuter ("ircII EPIC4-1.1.6 -- Are we there yet?") 13:17:17 --- join: gilbertdeb (gilbert@fl-nked-ubr2-c3a-142.miamfl.adelphia.net) joined #forth 13:25:03 anyone want a free book on OpenROM firmware, it is online in PDF form from SUN. 13:25:08 http://sunsolve.sun.com/data/800/800-4251/pdf/ 13:25:09 enjoy. 13:25:29 wget -m http://sunsolve.sun.com/data/800/800-4251/pdf/ should do the trick. 13:25:33 --- join: uuter (~uuter@ajhg40uqy57xe.bc.hsia.telus.net) joined #forth 13:27:08 also those that don't know, Marcel has OCR'ed the SF book... http://home.iae.nl/users/mhx/ 13:27:51 --- quit: I440r-work (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:29:52 --- join: I440r-work (~x@saturn.vcsd.com) joined #forth 13:33:13 --- join: Klaw (~anonymous@ip68-4-157-105.oc.oc.cox.net) joined #forth 13:35:53 --- quit: jdrake ("Oops. This machine just fell asleep") 13:58:58 if anyone cares, I have also mirrored the Starting Forth book at http://sdobooks.dyndns.org:8080/Forth/StartingForth/index.html 14:04:59 if anyone cares 14:05:05 NOBODY LOVES ME 14:07:37 Klaw, yep, passive agressive. 14:07:43 As for the other book I just mirroed... 14:07:43 http://sdobooks.dyndns.org:8080/Forth/ForthGuide/index.html 14:07:49 Enjoy, I feel 3 books in one day is enough. 14:08:00 Oh, the labor of love. 14:08:07 Klaw, now go back to bits already. 14:15:55 --- quit: rk (Remote closed the connection) 14:33:57 --- join: Klaw` (~anonymous@ip68-4-157-105.oc.oc.cox.net) joined #forth 14:34:01 ghosts 14:34:47 --- quit: Klaw (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:35:53 --- quit: innes ("Client Exiting") 14:39:54 --- nick: Klaw` -> Klaw 14:39:56 Hi Klaw 14:54:03 hi 14:54:18 is it just me or has the internet had problems for the last month 14:54:35 which part of it? 14:55:32 the routing part 14:55:46 i mean it's entirely possible that my cable company sucks along with 16:33:25 --- quit: I440r-work (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 18:36:13 --- join: skylan (sjh@vickesh01-4698.tbaytel.net) joined #forth 18:41:07 conspiracy 18:42:05 this program crashes every time i run it -- so then I run it inside gdb and it's solid as a rock. 18:43:20 klaw, uninitalised variable somewhere 18:43:40 gdb inits the variables to 0, running 'for real' doesn't 19:05:41 thanks :-) 19:15:03 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@pc78dn1d.ppp.FCC.NET) joined #forth 19:15:04 --- mode: ChanServ set +o TheBlueWizard 19:15:15 hiya all...will be brief 19:17:31 You be brief, I'll be ... 19:17:42 supersized? 19:17:46 Nah. bad pun. 19:18:06 yeah...stupid pun, if that can be called a pun 19:18:37 Hey hey! 19:18:39 be gentle! 19:20:02 oh? I didn't know you are this sensitive 19:20:35 :D 19:21:59 on a few occasions, especially when I am in a foul mood, I can be really savage... 19:22:31 ack. things happen. 19:23:50 * TheBlueWizard solemnly nods 19:24:11 as if to demonstrate.... 19:26:01 * TheBlueWizard puts maggot filled dog poop on a pizza, then force feeds it to Darl McBride, then 19:26:25 Uhoh. darl's gonna be not well. 19:26:29 * TheBlueWizard grabs Darl McBride by his neck, and does a bone crushing massage, reducing that jerk to a worm, then electrocute him repeatedly, but does not permit him to die 19:26:46 well, you get the picture :) 19:27:05 Yes quite clearly. 19:27:16 * gilbertdeb backs away very very very slowly. 19:27:34 * TheBlueWizard chuckles 19:28:28 well, enough of this talk...time for me to go to bed...bye all 19:28:45 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 20:05:34 --- join: mmanning2 (~x@sdn-ap-010txhousP0378.dialsprint.net) joined #forth 20:06:24 --- quit: mmanning2 (Client Quit) 20:08:07 --- join: I440r (~x@sdn-ap-010txhousP0378.dialsprint.net) joined #forth 20:09:30 hello 20:09:45 hi 20:11:17 * Suzanne mumbles 20:11:33 hi babe :) 20:11:36 how u is ? 20:11:51 getting annoyed 20:12:13 I440r: y0 20:12:41 :) 20:12:43 me 2 20:13:07 this is the most bizarre bug ever :/ 20:13:16 my $300 tv card is fucked. im sure its that, one 900mhz athlon and the kt7 motherboard have already been blown up by it 20:13:18 --- nick: arke -> {arke} 20:13:29 and now i cant get this kg7 raid to work at all 20:13:33 oh dear god 20:13:36 the bug vanished 20:13:38 im throwing the pile of shit out 20:13:56 <{arke}> I440r: how old is it? 20:14:13 --- nick: {arke} -> arke 20:15:16 gah 20:15:21 the bug reappeared :/ 20:15:29 lol 20:15:33 Suzanne what bug? 20:15:41 Suzanne: what are you working on, and what is the bug? 20:15:43 gilbert, its complicated, you sure you want to know ? 20:15:49 i do. 20:15:58 basically... i have 2 threads in my program 20:16:05 one checks iTunes for status/info 20:16:08 the other handles the GUI 20:16:22 the object that handles checks is served to the GUI via DO 20:16:36 now, when iTunes is quit, it hangs the GUI thread 20:16:54 if i do a break in gdb, it 'seems' to be sat forever in a objc_send_msg to the check process 20:17:11 but i have no idea why its getting clobbered :/ 20:17:38 :/ 20:17:43 the problem is only compounded by the fact that i'm not sure gdb is telling the truth 20:18:12 gdb lies alot 20:18:31 however, if i set a breakpoint in the timer execution on the check/info thread, it still triggers breakpoints 20:18:36 its just the GUI thread that is dying 20:18:39 gdb is the biggest pile of shit debugger i ever had the misfortune to use 20:18:51 even worse than nec emultors 20:21:44 the thing that puzzles me, is that it seems to barf the moment that focus is returned to whatever program gets focus after iTunes quits 20:22:06 and even worse, it didn't do it before yesterday 20:22:54 take a breather: http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/computer_science_lesson.jpg 20:29:36 lol 20:30:17 * Suzanne wonders... 20:30:35 if the strings are 'belonging' to iTunes, and i'm just getting a reference to them, that MIGHT explain things 20:30:41 Suzanne: random printf is the way to go ... 20:30:56 arke, not when i have no idea which function/thread is causing the error 20:31:15 thats why "random" 20:45:53 --- quit: I440r (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:46:42 --- join: I440r_ (~x@sdn-ap-010txhousP0378.dialsprint.net) joined #forth 20:46:56 argh 20:47:14 greets! 20:52:30 --- quit: I440r_ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:52:58 --- join: I440r__ (~x@sdn-ap-010txhousP0378.dialsprint.net) joined #forth 21:06:54 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@66-91-231-74.san.rr.com) joined #forth 21:06:54 --- mode: ChanServ set +o kc5tja 21:07:17 kc5tja: y0 21:07:55 0y 21:08:02 Making myself some food. 21:10:48 --- quit: I440r__ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 21:11:08 --- join: I440r___________ (~x@sdn-ap-010txhousP0378.dialsprint.net) joined #forth 21:11:12 uhhh 21:11:23 hehehe 21:11:28 weirdities. 21:11:47 * kc5tja notes the gods of connectivities completely ignores how many underscores you have appended to your name. :D 21:12:08 --- join: jdrake (jdrake@CPE00045afdd0e8-CM014410113717.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 21:13:23 --- nick: arke -> arke____________ 21:13:29 --- nick: arke____________ -> arke 21:15:18 --- quit: I440r___________ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 21:15:49 See what I mean? :D 21:16:39 --- join: I440r_ (~x@sdn-ap-010txhousP0378.dialsprint.net) joined #forth 21:16:41 anybody know how to get set up with free usenet, with thunderbird and possibly some free server? i dont like using google. 21:18:42 isp 21:18:56 except if it is bell, then your newsgroups suck anyways 21:19:16 my isp doesnt provide it 21:19:18 :P 21:20:21 get a new one? 21:20:38 lol 21:27:58 --- quit: I440r_ () 21:27:58 --- quit: arke (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21:28:11 --- join: arke (~rk@ca-cmrilo-docsis-cmtsj-b-36.vnnyca.adelphia.net) joined #forth 21:28:34 this explains it all: http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/softwarewar.gif 21:30:42 haha 21:31:17 nice 21:31:54 I think the fellow collects ALL the pix he sees on the web. 21:31:57 there are TONS 21:33:05 back 21:35:03 * kc5tja went to Katz sensei's dojo today. I didn't have my gi; it needs to be washed. 21:35:14 Still, Katz sensei recognized me and insisted I got on the mat anyway. 21:35:16 :) 21:35:38 It was pretty cool. 21:35:43 --- join: I440r_ (~x@sdn-ap-010txhousP0378.dialsprint.net) joined #forth 21:35:46 Here I was without a gi, and hence, no way of indicating rank. 21:36:07 Everyone there thought I was so completely new, that they were gentler than feathers falling on snow. 21:36:14 Until I threw them... :D 21:36:20 har har har. 21:36:23 you trojan you! 21:36:27 heh 21:36:33 I really didn't intend on training today. 21:36:40 But it was fun to get back on the mat. 21:37:34 where was SF when this happened hmmm? http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/use_strict.jpg 21:37:52 SF? 21:38:00 starting forth 21:39:55 --- nick: beapp -> SDO 21:41:24 --- nick: SDO -> beapp 21:41:41 hello 21:41:51 AppServer? 21:42:16 I think he uses that nick whenever he's using an application under BeOS other than the IRC client. 21:45:00 hello 21:45:09 * arke is away: sl33p 21:46:19 redheads 21:47:00 ? 21:47:27 * kc5tja finishes his math homework for this week. 21:49:12 http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/2mouse.jpg 21:52:39 --- quit: Herkamire ("goodnight") 21:53:09 heheheh 21:57:12 * Suzanne sighs 21:57:25 well, i know what the problem is :/ 21:57:36 aint got a fucking clue how to fix it, tho 21:58:04 whats the problem? 21:58:24 gilbert, the problem is, my app dies if iTunes quits while it is talking to it via applescript 21:58:45 which oddly enough, seems to be 99% of the time 21:59:03 can you get iTunes to not quit? 21:59:13 yeah, by not hitting command-q :P 21:59:21 the problem is, i need to be able to handle this situation 21:59:26 hehehe. 21:59:58 the old joke of 'it hurts when i do this... ' 'well don't do that then' doesn't really produce quality software :P 22:04:04 why does this not work.. : shout 1 2 + followed by.. shout 22:04:28 how does it not work? 22:04:36 : shout 1 2 + ; 22:04:39 *the terminal*:1: Undefined word 22:04:47 oh it must be the ; i always forget that 22:04:53 yeah 22:05:06 ; puts it back into interpret mode 22:05:13 the format is : ; 22:05:31 show do variables work 22:05:32 otherwise it was trying to resolve shout, which Forth can't see while you are defining it 22:05:38 s/s/\s 22:11:20 jdrake variable 22:11:35 n ! 22:11:42