00:00:00 --- log: started forth/03.08.31 00:00:09 It was actually useful back then. 00:00:15 kc, no, there were a few 'C++' to C preprocessors too 00:00:24 ie, after it was standardized 00:00:36 they weren't much good tho, and generally failed in the market to 'real' C++s 00:00:40 You misunderstand me. 00:00:55 sun's original C++ was a pre-processor too, and it sucked :) 00:01:00 but then, so did acc :) 00:01:49 Anyway, oo2c is based on the OP2 compiler system, from the Oberon systems that came before. It is possible to re-implement the "back-end" to emit raw machine language or assembly language if you wanted. Nobody has yet bothered, though it was a stated interest back a few years ago. 00:01:56 sun's original C++ also was another example of why case-sensitivity filesystems are evil :P 00:02:19 * kc5tja prefers case-preserving filesystems over case-sensitive filesystems. 00:02:23 Like AmigaOS. 00:02:24 one of our labs' terminals could only generate orginal uppercase ascii 00:02:32 and having to type \C\C was just a pain in the ass 00:02:45 trigraphs!@! 00:02:50 kc, yeah, i'd agree, preserve the case, but don't rely on it 00:03:44 Crap. I need to get to bed. It's midnight here. 00:03:47 uuter, not a trigraph, its just, to get a cap in unix when you login on a upper-case only terminal, you have to \ the characters, which of course, also means you have to \\ to get a escape *sigh* 00:04:21 night all. 00:04:29 using samba via an upper-case only terminal becomes an experience in typing \ a lot :P 00:04:30 night kc 00:04:54 bye 00:05:06 --- quit: kc5tja ("\T\H\X \Q\S\O \E\S 73 \D\E \K\C\5\T\J\A/6 \C\L \E\S \Q\R\T \A\R \S\K :-)") 00:05:33 suzanne, are you in school? 00:05:37 nope 00:05:49 do you teach it? :) 00:05:53 where do you find such terms these days? 00:05:54 nope :P 00:05:54 heh 00:06:01 uuter, these days? hopefully nowhere 00:06:07 uuter, i'm talking about 10 years ago :P 00:06:29 samba has existed that long? 00:06:32 crusty old wyse and televideo stuff that was utterly useless 00:06:45 uuter, no, but i've used samba on a linux box with a broken caps lock key :P 00:06:51 hehe 00:06:56 oh 00:07:24 well, the key was probably fine, the uC was seriously confused, most likely 00:07:43 it would do the 'flash all 3 leds' at boot, then stay in caps lock for the rest of time :/ 00:08:42 anyway, IMO, making the C++ compiler 'CC' was incredibly stupid on sun's part 00:09:21 and that WAS on the crusty old terminals 10 years ago... :) 00:09:42 thats some lame naming 00:09:45 the compilers sun provided consisted of: cc = k&r, acc = ansi c, CC = C++ 00:09:45 cppc 00:10:11 Suzanne_, hi 00:10:13 uhg 00:10:20 hi sdo 00:10:46 uuter, it wouldn't have been so bad, except acc was VERY broken, and you couldn't really rely on it compiling much 00:11:11 this was in school 00:11:12 ? 00:11:21 yeah, 1991-1993ish 00:11:37 we didn't have unix the first year, had PrimeOS boxes 00:11:44 now THERE is an evil OS ;) 00:11:45 at least it was not windows 00:11:57 PrimeOS ? 00:11:59 uuter, trust me, windows 3.0 was better than PrimeOS :P 00:12:04 hehe 00:12:10 CP/M ripoff? 00:12:14 used to find a lot of PrimeOS boxes on x.25 nets 00:12:19 on datapac and telenet 00:12:20 no, Prime was a minicomputer vendor in the 80s 00:12:40 sounds dreadfull 00:12:44 it was a really awful OS, they took the worst features of VMS *and* UNIX, and threw away all the good features from both 00:12:53 the architecture was evil too 00:13:06 original MPU? 00:13:20 the basic premise of a Prime box, was that it took its CPU and divided it into virtual 6502s for each user 00:13:36 oh man 00:13:58 so you're sat using a machine that cost oh, $250,000 say, and its giving you one fucking GPR :P 00:14:07 heh 00:14:21 A X Y for life~ 00:14:22 they had ONE redeeming feature in hardware 00:14:38 a little red button on the inside of the case, and it's corresponding LED on the back panel 00:14:47 the 'decomission' button 00:15:04 press it for X seconds, it burns out a bunch of fuse maps inside the CPU and renders the machine useless 00:15:11 haahh 00:15:17 military? 00:15:22 banks? 00:15:27 after that, all the machine does, is light up the 'DECOMISSIONED' LED on the back panel 00:15:50 uuter, i have no idea of the point, really, if you found one in a landfill, the components would likely be worth more :) 00:16:03 its not like it destroys data reliably or anything like that 00:16:20 For the banks branch in Iran 00:16:48 its probably one of those features the military insisted on without thinking 00:17:02 yeah 00:17:10 commie proofing 00:17:24 yeah, but the data is still on the HDD if you decomission it 00:17:34 that is amazing, they had a self destruct button inside the box. 00:17:42 well, they can't use it against you 00:17:47 I have never heard of such a thing. 00:17:55 some video game systems have that 00:18:05 and embedded MPUs used in ATM- 00:18:06 s 00:18:18 there is a 'destruct' opcoe 00:18:20 opcode 00:19:04 http://homepage.mac.com/trash80/dp/prime.html 00:19:31 yeah, we had 5370s iirc 00:21:49 the point is tho, the standard military practice to 'decomission' a machine in a risky environment, is a thermite pack :) 00:22:56 that is about right. Even the hardware coming out of the Northern NM labs is mostly stripped and HDs are multi-technique'd destroyed. 00:23:28 sdo, there's not much you can do with a machine that has been thermited :) 00:23:29 (nails, rolling under destructo-flatrollers, ground and so forth, they have crushers/shredders for it now) 00:24:08 Suzanne_ that is not much you can do with anything that is thermited :) including ID the guy that did it. 00:24:11 hehehe 00:24:21 heh 00:25:05 Just discovered the IRC client named Vision for BeOS, what a killer client! 00:25:34 is it new? 00:25:39 or x86 only? 00:25:50 i can't remeber it 00:25:59 Felix is what I used until this afternoon. 00:26:05 It was too damn buggy and 4+ years old. 00:26:13 * Suzanne_ lols 00:26:22 Vision is newer, the folks that brought you Baxter are the folks with Vision. 00:26:24 the 5370 managed 8 VAX MIPS allegedly 00:26:32 Suzanne_, no laughing at my BeOS! 00:26:46 baxter, thats what i had 00:26:47 no, we can't have had 5370s 00:26:54 we had ours before 1992 00:27:34 uuter, baxter was pretty good, but the GUI for Vision (once you figure out the multipanel configuration process, that screwed me a while back to use Felix instead) is amazing. 00:27:46 Really sweet, simple and FAST, nice and easy to work with, very pleasant. 00:28:22 uuter, how long ago did you start, and then when did you stop using BeOS. 00:28:47 I have ported a bunch of FORTH's to BeOS, just curious... http://beforth.dyndns.org 00:29:21 damn, that page isn't up to date on the ports, I'll have to spend some time rummaging thru and finding what works now that i have redone some of them. 00:29:35 I had 5 Pro on a PPC for a few months 00:29:44 It was cool 00:29:58 Yes, it is cool, and PPC is nice. I have a bunch of BeOS machines here. 00:30:03 but, i only have two PPC machines, so BeOS lost out to NetBSD 00:30:07 LOL 00:30:12 I have 2 beboxen. 00:30:17 wow!@ 00:30:19 bunch of single processor Macs/PPC 00:30:22 i'd dig one of those 00:30:31 One is serial #00006 00:30:38 :) I got it early on in 1996 00:30:42 heh, Be cleance? 00:30:46 Nope. 00:30:56 I got both machines cause I was into be early on. 00:31:04 heard about it running on a quad 604 DayStar? 00:31:16 I heard and saw it in 1995 Dec I believe, and then bought/paid in spring of 96 00:31:19 Yes 00:31:20 it does 00:31:21 4*200 Mhz 00:31:26 do you have a quad daystar. 00:31:30 no 00:31:32 I have a quad PPro. 00:31:37 iBook and a 6400 00:31:41 ah. 00:31:46 I have a bunch of 6400's around. 00:31:48 No ibooks though. 00:31:52 but i DO have a Lisa~ 00:31:56 Nice! 00:32:01 I had one in 1983 00:32:05 do you live in California? 00:32:09 Nope. 00:32:14 I used to live in Seattle. 00:32:20 Worked for Apple back then. 00:32:28 we are not really awash with hardware here 00:32:34 oh yeah? 00:32:38 in what department? 00:32:42 Yep, for the Bellevue office. 00:32:54 For the entire NW, and then I went to work for the COmputer Stores NW 00:33:06 not development? 00:33:08 THey offered me as a service tech a Lisa for I believe 6300 bucks. 00:33:27 Nope, got it cause I wanted it, and then also cause it would help me learn to use/service it. 00:33:34 I actually have an internal Forth for the Apple /// from Apple 00:33:41 Anyway, I sold it about 1 month before they dropped their price to 4999 00:33:50 luck you 00:33:51 Nice, I would like to get a copy of it. 00:33:54 +y 00:33:58 Yes, I was very lucky. 00:34:05 i will have to see if i can find it 00:34:16 That would be great, I collect all things Apple ][ and /// 00:34:25 I have a HUGE warehouse full of Apple ][ stuff. 00:34:25 I have a /// as well 00:34:31 I do also, I have 2 of them. 00:34:32 well, think i'll head to bed, its 3:35 already 00:34:34 One for parts, one works. 00:34:37 later Suzanne_ 00:34:39 --- quit: Suzanne_ ("Client exiting") 00:34:40 I have a bunch of prototype IIc's 00:34:51 I have about 10-15 //c+ and a bunch of //cs 00:34:59 I would like to swap you for a proto //c if you don't mind. 00:35:07 You want a //c+ 00:35:07 i went down to the states to visit a former Apple II programmer, got his stash 00:35:20 how early on are the //c protos? 00:35:29 have you done much research on them? 00:35:32 how many do you have? 00:35:39 the cases are machined it appears 00:35:47 milled? hmmmmmmmmm 00:35:51 hand made then basically 00:35:59 there was a stick talking about a special Apple manufacturing facility 00:36:03 sticker 00:36:16 wow, that sounds kinda prototype. 00:36:21 that is cool. 00:36:38 I have thousands of floppies, and I also manage the CallAPPLE BBS, AppleCRATE 00:36:39 yeah, the dvorak/qwerty swich has 'language' penciled in on one 00:36:42 www.callapple.org 00:37:13 check out the BBS, I'm on there every day, it is low traffic, but fun. 00:37:29 I check in about 1-2 times a day for a few minutes. 00:37:43 cool 00:37:54 CallAPPLE was the largest user group in the world for many years for Apple. 00:37:56 i have not done much retro action of late 00:38:00 yeah 00:38:25 i have actuall print-outs of a AUG with Woz listed as a member 00:38:25 I lived in Seattle, so going to Kent WA and the techline support center was a highlite on the weekends. 00:38:30 his address/number 00:38:41 I also helped start the largest BBS in the NW for apple, PPS, Pirates of Puget Sound :) 00:38:54 hmm~ warez group? 00:38:56 We used to have the largest software pirate/porno parties with beer and all that jazz. 00:39:02 Yep, we were seriously into warez back then. 00:39:03 HAH~ 00:39:07 oh man 00:39:10 24-48 hours of it at a time, non stop. 00:39:19 the 80s was the real shit 00:39:22 Pirates Harbor was the only other US based BBS at the time that was larger. 00:39:33 It was a LOT of fun, that is for sure. 00:39:53 Some of the greetz/cracked by splash screens are rad 00:39:55 We had callers from around the world. 00:40:05 Yah, I remember many of them. 00:40:20 i have even seen a KKK/Nazi gourp, strange mix 00:40:27 Rich got busted for phreaking in the 83 time frame, and went to work as restitution to the phone company, for all places, ATT. 00:40:49 LOL, his duties were to teach them all he knew. 00:41:07 LOL I found that ironic, and put a cap on our activities and started the decline of the group. 00:41:24 (remember, this is NOT CallAPPLE I'm talking about, PPS has NOTHING to do with CallAPPLE, nothing :) 00:41:36 At all, I don't want anyone to think the two are even remotely related, they are not. 00:43:07 uuter, where are you located? 00:43:10 Canada? 00:43:37 Looks like you are in the BC exchange. 00:54:36 uuter got dropped it seems 00:54:39 should be back shortly 00:56:19 --- join: uuter_ (~uuter@ajhg40uqy57xe.bc.hsia.telus.net) joined #forth 00:56:21 arg 00:56:23 sorry 00:56:26 client died 00:58:50 --- quit: uuter (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:59:21 --- nick: uuter_ -> uuter 00:59:28 yes, southern BC 00:59:39 currently forrest fire country 01:04:31 are they getting it under control? 01:04:51 the locals ones 01:05:10 the > 22,000 hectare one is better 01:05:26 damn 01:26:04 * arke is back (gone 04:52:40) 01:41:15 --- join: mur (murr@baana-62-165-184-29.phnet.fi) joined #forth 01:52:13 mur: terve! 01:52:39 terve 01:52:49 arka is a finnish word 01:53:36 but you will have to look it up from dictionary if you want to know what it means >:) 01:53:59 uuter, I used to go to school in Bellingham. 01:54:27 WWU, at the time was a quiet little old Georgia Pacific company town with loads of Indians and quiet. 01:55:07 uuter, no problemo on the client, that is why I switched to Vision instead of Felix, Felix was always locking up and crashing :( 02:06:22 --- quit: SDO ("Vision[0.9.6-0203]: i've been blurred!") 02:32:51 --- join: SDO (~SDO@co-trinidad1a-42.clspco.adelphia.net) joined #forth 02:40:09 --- quit: onetom ("leaving") 03:22:18 --- join: onetom (~tom@cab.bio.u-szeged.hu) joined #forth 04:41:32 --- quit: mur (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04:41:32 --- quit: skylan (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04:41:32 --- quit: draq (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04:41:32 --- quit: Klaw (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04:42:57 --- join: mur (murr@baana-62-165-184-29.phnet.fi) joined #forth 04:42:57 --- join: skylan (sjh@vickesh01-4698.tbaytel.net) joined #forth 04:42:57 --- join: draq (ident@203-219-179-14-nsw.tpgi.com.au) joined #forth 04:42:57 --- join: Klaw (~anonymous@ip68-4-157-105.oc.oc.cox.net) joined #forth 05:00:13 --- join: fridge (~fridge@dsl-203-33-165-44.NSW.netspace.net.au) joined #forth 05:00:58 --- quit: fridge (Client Quit) 05:02:54 --- join: fridge (~fridge@dsl-203-33-165-44.NSW.netspace.net.au) joined #forth 05:04:00 yay 05:04:08 back on line with a shiny new 120gb raid array 05:04:27 raid array is a little redundant in itself 07:29:42 it is 07:46:09 hmmmm 07:55:14 --- quit: fridge (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08:01:56 --- join: fridge (~fridge@dsl-203-33-165-44.NSW.netspace.net.au) joined #forth 08:07:11 mur: terve 08:07:26 mur: i looked up "arka", and I found that it meant "sore". ??? 08:08:55 terve 08:09:04 quite bad translation :P 08:09:25 heh 08:09:29 what does it mean? 08:09:39 arka as physically is when you touch the area it feels ouch 08:09:54 e.g. you might not want to sit 08:10:00 so sore is actually the right word 08:10:02 and arka is "mentally" 08:10:08 no 08:10:13 sore is stronger 08:10:18 oh 08:10:39 well, its sorta a little bit right then :) 08:10:51 and mentally it is "shy" 08:11:05 not not really exactly shy 08:32:18 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@h000094d30ba2.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 08:37:19 * arke is away: I'm busy 08:37:49 * arke is away: w0rk, sl33p, 3vil 08:39:00 OK! 10:07:02 --- quit: SDO (Client Quit) 10:08:08 --- join: SDO (~SDO@co-trinidad1a-42.clspco.adelphia.net) joined #forth 10:08:24 hello 10:09:10 hello 10:31:27 hell0 10:34:28 --- quit: mur ("Murr.") 11:12:48 --- join: Suzanne (~suzanne@65-73-37-205.bras01.mdl.ny.frontiernet.net) joined #forth 11:16:20 back for more RISC wars? :) 11:17:03 lol, i dunno what the 'war' was really 11:17:10 * Suzanne prefers RISC over CISC any day 11:17:15 ~ 11:17:49 which would probably explain why my main machine is a dual G4, and my main server is a G3 (which i must get around to clustering with the other 2 spare G3s i've got) 11:18:26 i have a G2, G3, G4 11:18:40 G2 ? 11:18:44 603 or 604 ? 11:18:46 603 11:18:50 ah 11:18:51 603ev 11:19:22 * Suzanne has a biege G3 minitower that has been problems from day 1, 3 B&W G3s, and the dual-G4 11:19:46 plus a crusty old Quadra 900/950 sat in a corner that i don't use :) 11:19:55 (its a 950 logic board in a 900 case) 11:20:09 well, thats not quite true, i've never identified exactly WHAT the logicboard is :) 11:20:22 it seems to be some Q950/WGS95 hybrid 11:20:28 heh, said computers are the only ones in regular service 11:20:35 hmm 11:20:52 it appears to be a 950, but some things on the board don't match with any sold 950s 11:21:05 prototype? 11:21:06 like the DIMM sockets for VRAM 11:21:28 i have no idea, its beyond me as to determining what/where it came from - i bought it used so don't have its pedigree :/ 11:21:57 it also seems to have a spare expansion slot beyond the NuBUS and PDS slots 11:23:25 the back of the case says 'Quadra 900' but the board definitely is running at 33MHz 11:23:32 so clearly its not 'stock' whatever it is 11:23:39 hmm 11:24:05 i think there was some sort of strange Q900 machine 11:24:09 at first i suspected it was a 950 logicboard in a 900 case, some kind of upgrade, but as i said, various things don't 'match' 11:24:33 a 900/950 should have SIMMs for VRAM, this has a single DIMM 11:25:17 it has the dual SCSI bus of a WGS, but still it doesn't match the WGS board layout 11:26:18 its a mifftery 11:27:12 indeed 11:27:22 AppleFritter may have some info 11:28:38 not sure where to look on their 11:28:41 there, even 11:29:15 they have an IRC channel 11:31:52 * arke is back (gone 02:54:14) 11:40:26 Suzanne: what would you do with a g3 cluster? 11:44:21 herk, use a cluster-aware version of gcc :P 11:46:47 heh heh :) 11:47:12 debugging mozilla/linux-kernel are we? ;) 11:47:26 and since the G3 linux box runs my db server, maybe the distributed version of postgresql 11:48:45 --- join: Speuler (~Speuler@mnch-d9ba4264.pool.mediaWays.net) joined #forth 11:48:46 tbh, the idea of clustering them is as much a case of 'i have 2 G3s sat doing nothing, might as well use them for SOMETHING' as anything else 11:48:52 g'day 11:49:26 Tach 11:49:43 god dag the_rob 11:50:05 :) 11:50:38 Suzanne: fun :) 11:53:57 is that just standard IDE cdrom and hard disk drives which go into powermacs ? 11:54:23 i remember disk drives with firmware, modified for apple 11:54:51 probably modified enough so you can't replace it with OEM parts 11:54:53 speuler, usually, its just generic IDE stuff these days 11:55:27 even going back to 68k days, there were 'special firmwares' but *most* HDDs and CDROMs would 'just work', only a few would not, for some reason 11:55:46 would be nice. just back from a party, where i scored a powermac 11:55:48 w/o disk and cdrom 11:56:06 now, various CDRWs won't 'boot off CD' on G3s and some early G4s, but that seems to be to do with the way the CDRW doesn't directly ID as a CD-ROM first 11:56:28 speuler, how old is it ? 11:56:39 good question 11:56:53 apple switched to IDE for CD around the introduction of the powermac, so that should be ok, but they still used SCSI for HDDs up until around the 9600 11:57:13 the biege G3 has 2 IDE channels, and you can use either SCSI or IDE HDDs, as i remember it 11:57:27 march 97 11:57:36 hmm, what model ? 11:57:46 you're probably going to need a SCSI HDD for it 11:58:26 and you'll need to take into consideration that prior to the B&W G3s, you need the boot partition to be less than 4GB 11:58:32 scsi would be ok. ah, here it says : performa 6400 11:58:39 ah, urgh :) 11:58:49 the performas were generally considered 'not very good macs' 11:59:00 is SCSI more expensive due solely to patents and licensing fees? 11:59:07 they work, just they often had crappy FSBs and stuff 11:59:18 fridge, SCSI is more expensive simply because it can be 11:59:23 still got some scsi stuff on the shelf 11:59:30 the market accepts higher costs on SCSI, so the companies charge it 11:59:57 hoped to be able to put linux on 12:00:07 ahh 12:00:18 the performa 6400 used an IDE HDD (part of the 'low cost' aspect) 12:01:14 you might want to check on www.xlr8yourmac.com for compatibility, but you should be 'ok' with most modern (less than 128GB) drives 12:01:46 as i'll reuse spare parts, there's no >100 gbyte among those 12:02:02 *nod* 12:02:10 20 or 30 i should still have a few 12:02:17 should do 12:02:37 as i said, just make sure the boot partition is first on the disk, and less than 4GB in size 12:03:12 those machines take standard floppy drives too ? 12:03:18 no :/ 12:03:20 in case booting from cdrom fails 12:03:31 apple use some weird floppy interface 12:03:47 but finding replacements isn't impossible 12:03:50 dhcp/tfpt in bios ? 12:03:55 tftp 12:04:08 speuler, i'm not sure about the performa on that count, tbh 12:04:24 i know my biege G3 can boot from the net from OF 12:06:00 does it even have ethernet tho ? 12:06:17 the 6400 is listed as 'standard ethernet: NONE' 12:06:56 (though i know everymac has gotten that wrong on other performa models friends have bought, so i wouldn't take it as gospel :) 12:07:59 it doesn't have an ethernet connector but there's a load of cards in the cardboard box 12:08:14 the 6400 has only one IDE channel 12:08:24 w/o network, that machine would be pretty useless 12:08:46 1 disk, 1 cdrom would be fine 12:08:51 i have a cheap PC NIC in mine, running NetBSD 12:09:43 would be the 4th cpu with linux here 12:10:15 make it 3, as one only runs linux to show that it can run it 12:11:17 uuter, yeah, adding net is fine, but i dunno if you're gonna be able to boot from net on a generic nic, i doubt it 12:11:46 but then, i dunno if the performas use OF or not, so i don't know if even finding a PCI NIC with OF driver code would help 12:12:21 boot roms for powerpc, to plug into an off-the-shelf nic maybe be more difficult to come by 12:12:34 speuler, indeed 12:13:15 can you write device drivers in OF? =) 12:14:09 fridge, yes 12:14:39 any PCI NIC sold for use on a sun would probably contain the bytecode for OF 12:14:46 yes, all PMacs use OF 12:15:14 PeeCee PCI cards don't have the F-Code drivers in ROM 12:15:25 uuter, i know... 12:15:27 so it can't add it to the device tree 12:15:40 * arke is away: brb r00ting stuff 12:15:40 uuter, you can get a asante 10/100baseT card for $25 tho 12:15:45 and i would imagine it has F-code in rom 12:15:47 i have one 12:15:56 but NetBSD does not work with it 12:15:59 --- quit: arke (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:16:28 how about linux tho ? 12:16:45 yeah 12:16:49 tulip kmod 12:16:56 * Suzanne nods 12:17:06 i ran LinuxPPC 2000 and YellowDog 2.0 12:17:15 netbsd isn't exactly the pinnacle of peripheral compat :P 12:17:38 well, it certainly is the most platform compat OS 12:17:54 well, depends on how you look at it :) 12:17:56 its nice and clean as well 12:17:58 i tried to run netbsd once 12:18:07 it wouldn't even recognise the CMD640 in my G3 :P 12:18:11 i don't really like Linux all that much 12:18:28 --- quit: ChanServ (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12:18:32 --- join: arke (~rk@ca-cmrilo-docsis-cmtsj-b-36.vnnyca.adelphia.net) joined #forth 12:18:53 --- join: ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) joined #forth 12:18:53 --- mode: orwell.freenode.net set +o ChanServ 12:21:15 * arke is away: be back in 120 seconds 12:21:22 --- quit: arke (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:22:44 --- join: arke (~rk@ca-cmrilo-docsis-cmtsj-b-36.vnnyca.adelphia.net) joined #forth 12:49:53 --- quit: rpc ("leaving") 12:56:12 --- join: rpc (~rpc@global.whiteh8.net) joined #forth 13:14:51 --- quit: rpc ("leaving") 14:56:23 --- join: tathi (~josh@pcp02123722pcs.milfrd01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 15:48:44 hello 15:49:42 Hi there 15:50:13 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@66-91-231-74.san.rr.com) joined #forth 15:50:13 --- mode: ChanServ set +o kc5tja 15:50:32 kc5tja :) 15:50:44 Howdy 15:51:12 * kc5tja is now an official Trader Joe's convert. 15:51:37 :) 15:51:56 I walked into the store with a single $20 bill, and purchased what I thought (based on price tags) was $20 worth of stuff. 15:52:06 I walked out with all my stuff, plus $6.50 in change. 15:52:15 what is Trader Joe's? 15:52:33 some sort of pawn shop? 15:52:50 Hehe. 15:52:51 It's an all-natural, all-organic, all-healthy type of supermarket. 15:53:16 And the prices are dirt cheap as marked. Let alone my apparent inability to do the simplest arithmetic. 15:53:30 ah, thats cool 15:53:45 discovering the local shops in San Diego? 15:54:06 uuter: Trader joe's is a chain store; not local. But they stock a lot of local stuff. 15:54:20