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03:00:20 <Serg_Penguin> hi
03:01:05 <Robert> Hej serg
03:01:41 <Serg_Penguin> i just bought color stereo glasses  ;))
03:02:04 <Serg_Penguin> had a talk w/ designer of RU stereo movie system
03:02:22 <Serg_Penguin> and wanna download NVIDIA stereo drivers
03:02:34 <Serg_Penguin> and maybe write some demo ;))))
03:02:48 <Serg_Penguin> did u ever try this kind of stuff ?
03:03:03 <Robert> Nope.
03:03:11 <Robert> Sorry, I have to leave for school now
03:03:13 <Robert> See you!
03:03:19 <Serg_Penguin> cu!
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10:31:49 <fridge> hey
10:33:22 <arke> hello
11:14:23 <uuter> hi
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14:26:02 <uuter> hello
14:53:10 <fridge> hmm, the forth syntax mode in vim works well enough
14:53:42 <uuter> does it learn new words, or just have syntax for CORE ?
14:53:58 <fridge> just core, but even that makes it more readable
14:54:58 <fridge> perhaps emacs mode is more advanced and would readjust syntax highlighting as you defined/underfined words
14:56:15 <uuter> green on black for me
14:56:49 <fridge> hehe
14:57:07 <fridge> do you have bright green and normal green?
15:00:22 <uuter> just green
15:00:46 <uuter> not sure, i just slid the colour wheel pointer to a shade of green
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16:25:34 <arke> exactly 15 minutes!
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17:53:33 <suprdupr> yop yop
17:54:26 <gilbertdeb> Shhh.
17:54:31 <gilbertdeb> we're hunting wabbits.
17:54:57 <suprdupr> i have an idea tell me what you think
17:55:11 <suprdupr> defining words could be all-in one:
17:55:25 <suprdupr> they would lie at the end of the definition they name
17:55:47 <suprdupr> doing the ret and the dictionary entry
17:56:13 <gilbertdeb> have you tried it out yet?
17:56:18 <suprdupr> : test bloploplop ;
17:56:42 <suprdupr> would become "bloploplop test" the two words being of different color
17:56:45 <suprdupr> quite strange
17:56:57 <gilbertdeb> have you been inhaling those fumes again?
17:57:01 <suprdupr> nope
17:57:08 <suprdupr> im about to test it
17:57:56 <suprdupr> but now school is there and so is my girlfriend and friends, so i have less time to try stuff
17:58:19 <gilbertdeb> school is where?
17:58:29 <suprdupr> school started
17:58:45 <suprdupr> full time, second year of college
17:59:12 <suprdupr> i have to hand out my "memoire" by the end of November
17:59:35 <suprdupr> the headline is coming so im trying to come up with a lot of strange ideas to see wich one would work best
18:00:20 <gilbertdeb> suprdupr whats your memoir supposed to be about?
18:00:30 <suprdupr> to handle fall through between definitions using the previous system, a "..." word would be used to do only half of the normal processing
18:00:42 <suprdupr> new trends in forth
18:00:53 <gilbertdeb> you get to write about forth in school?
18:00:56 <suprdupr> new computer language is the main theme
18:01:03 <gilbertdeb> K :)
18:01:08 <gilbertdeb> k is newish.
18:01:14 <suprdupr> yeah, international baccalaureate
18:01:26 <suprdupr> here its called BI in french
18:01:46 <suprdupr> private school stuff, pretty expensive but recognized around the world in universities
18:01:56 <gilbertdeb> I know what it is.
18:02:04 <gilbertdeb> the UN schools use it a lot.
18:02:17 <gilbertdeb> infact, almost exclusively.
18:02:30 <suprdupr> UN ?
18:02:34 <gilbertdeb> yeah.
18:02:48 * suprdupr call for a definition since for him UN stands for united nations
18:02:55 <gilbertdeb> and?
18:02:58 <gilbertdeb> whats so confusing about it?
18:03:06 <gilbertdeb> there is only one UN
18:03:18 <gilbertdeb> and the kids of the UN reps must go to school some where no?
18:03:55 <gilbertdeb> so the schools they tend to attend give out the BI or IB
18:03:57 <gilbertdeb> bacca
18:05:55 <suprdupr> i was simply not sure of the emaning of UN
18:06:27 <suprdupr> its pretty expensive to pass
18:06:36 <suprdupr> the exams are 678$CAN
18:07:06 <suprdupr> and semesters are in the 1200-1300 price range
18:07:17 <suprdupr> anyway
18:07:37 <suprdupr> to get it you must hand out a memoire and a Knowledge theory essay for bonus points
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18:08:45 <TheBlueWizard> hiya all
18:08:48 <suprdupr> hi tbw
18:08:53 <TheBlueWizard> hiya suprdupr
18:09:18 <suprdupr> i have  a question for you, what do you think of this mechanism for definitions:
18:09:47 <gilbertdeb> suprdupr I think that is great. they make you write :)
18:09:52 <suprdupr> each defining words is placed after what it defines in source code and embodies the ; and the definition action
18:10:22 <suprdupr> : test blopblop blop ; would be "blopblop blop test" with different colors
18:10:36 <suprdupr> and perhaps a newline char also
18:10:42 <suprdupr> a three way definining word
18:10:47 <suprdupr> and for fall throughs
18:10:55 <suprdupr> one could use the ... word
18:11:05 <suprdupr> thta would only do the definition/newline stuff
18:11:59 <suprdupr> comes from the fact that ": ;" constructs are way much than fallthroughs between definitions
18:13:42 <TheBlueWizard> hmm....I assume the way to determine which word "terminates" the definition would be the one which does not appear earlier in the dictionary (i.e. undefined word means it acts as a new word that terminates the action)...right?
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18:18:04 <TheBlueWizard> suprdupr: did you see what I said?
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18:30:58 <TheBlueWizard> gotta go...bye all
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19:41:44 <gilbertdeb> hmmm. 15 20 + 
19:41:47 <gilbertdeb> 35 
19:41:57 <gilbertdeb> with 4 hours of sleep ...
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20:47:58 <kc5tja> re
20:52:08 <gilbertdeb> aloha
20:52:11 <gilbertdeb> whats news?
20:52:42 <kc5tja> I'm in my San Diego house right now.
20:52:50 <gilbertdeb> wow!
20:52:53 <gilbertdeb> whats it like?
20:53:20 <kc5tja> And, I received a call from the Employment Development Division -- they said that I can remain on unemployment despite being in business for myself as long as I make less than a certain amount, and what I make does NOT come out of my pay.
20:53:37 <kc5tja> The house itself is kinda crappy; one of the wall outlets has a faulty ground connection.
20:53:40 <gilbertdeb> cool!
20:53:48 <gilbertdeb> hehehe.
20:53:52 <gilbertdeb> what about roomies?
20:53:55 <kc5tja> But it's cool neighborhood -- nice and quiet.
20:54:02 <kc5tja> Roomies seem pretty cool so far.
20:54:05 <kc5tja> It's way too early to tell though.
20:54:12 <gilbertdeb> I hope its not as quite as mine.
20:54:18 <kc5tja> It's going to be a while before I get fully settled in though.
20:54:25 <gilbertdeb> about 500 people live in this complex and I've seen 8 so far.
20:54:38 <kc5tja> The more quiet it is, the better.
20:54:47 <kc5tja> Silence truely is golden.
20:55:13 <gilbertdeb> kc5tja but sometimes It makes things awkward.
20:55:16 <kc5tja> Two of my roomies are professional musicians, so I also get to listen to high-quality music for free.  :)
20:55:25 <gilbertdeb> heheheh.
20:55:27 <gilbertdeb> what do they play?
20:55:35 <kc5tja> gilbertdeb: Try living in a regular apartment complex someday.  You will come to appreciate how valuable silence is.
20:55:38 <kc5tja> gilbertdeb: Name it.
20:55:50 <kc5tja> gilbertdeb: They each can handle multiple instruments.
20:56:11 <gilbertdeb> kc5tja I live in a town house with some gate way out front ...
20:56:16 <Klaw> i'm ina  regular appartment complex
20:56:41 <gilbertdeb> what it means is there are mostly really OLD people here and I have to go way out of my 'hood to see relatively young people.
20:57:05 <Klaw> my neighbor plays techno and house, too early and too late
20:57:09 <kc5tja> gilbertdeb: Gated community.
20:57:29 <gilbertdeb> kc5tja yeah. too damned quiet.
20:57:32 <kc5tja> Klaw: My roomies are quite courteous with their music.
20:57:49 <kc5tja> gilbertdeb: If I can't hear a gentle breeze blowing in the trees outside, it's too noisy for me.
20:57:55 <kc5tja> And I do mean a gentle breeze.
20:58:11 <gilbertdeb> really? do you have sound proofing?
20:59:45 <kc5tja> No, and that defeats the purpose.
21:00:09 <kc5tja> Common courtesy can go a long way.
21:00:21 <kc5tja> They practice mostly during the day, when most people are either in school or at work.
21:05:59 * kc5tja is just doing some Calculus homework right now.
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21:54:21 <kc5tja> re SDO
21:54:30 <uuter> hi
21:54:54 <kc5tja> hi uuter
21:55:19 <uuter> greetings
21:56:08 * kc5tja is finishing up his calculus homework for tonight.
21:56:49 <uuter> you are in school?
21:58:04 <kc5tja> Yes.
21:58:12 <kc5tja> I'm taking only calc-II this semester though.
21:58:41 <kc5tja> That's all I could afford to take with my finances.  But it's a good thing, because calc-II requires a lot of time to devote towards memorizing useless integration rules.  :D
21:58:49 <kc5tja> Calc-III is actually an easier class.
21:59:14 <SDO> hello
21:59:21 <uuter> so i hear
21:59:51 <SDO> Calc III was the easiest of all the calc as I recall.
21:59:59 <kc5tja> Yep.
22:00:17 <kc5tja> Calc III si where they show you all the shortcuts you should have learned in Calc II.  :)
22:00:20 <SDO> I just read parts of a FFT book, and it was all about calc, man I need to refesh.
22:00:51 <SDO> 15 years without using Calc, and now I need it to understand the FFT stuff I want to learn.
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22:02:25 <kc5tja> Yeah.
22:02:32 <kc5tja> I took Calcs 1-3 about 11 years ago.
22:02:34 <kc5tja> I'm refreshing too.
22:02:48 <kc5tja> Although, this time, I'm going for a Physics degree instead of an electrical engineering degree.
22:37:14 <kc5tja> YAY!  Done with my homework.
22:37:16 <kc5tja> For this week at least.
22:37:45 <uuter> do you attend class?
22:37:48 <uuter> lectures
22:37:55 <kc5tja> Absolutely.
22:38:50 <kc5tja> It's silly not to, in my opinion, unless you have a doggone good reason (e.g., your house really is on fire, or your dog ate your little brother, not his homework, etc.)
22:40:30 <gilbertdeb> huh? 
22:40:32 <fridge> I found many reasons not to
22:40:39 <gilbertdeb> I *hate* attending classes :D
22:41:17 <gilbertdeb> I still do pretty darned well for my bad behavior :)
22:42:02 <gilbertdeb> then again, my courses are easy and I read as much as I  can.
22:42:21 <fridge> I find lecturers a good place to draw pictures
22:42:47 <fridge> lectures even, I doubt that lecturers would apprectiate being drawn upon
22:42:55 <gilbertdeb> :)
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22:43:02 <gilbertdeb> fridge I like to interact with the profs.
22:43:02 <Serg_Penguin> hi !
22:43:10 <gilbertdeb> if i can, it keeps me very interested.
22:43:37 <Serg_Penguin> i got my server burned ;((((( now raising another one feverly
22:43:44 <gilbertdeb> :)
22:51:38 <kc5tja> I find lectures are actually a good place to, say, do something really stupid, like ask for assistance on the homework problems you had difficulties with.
22:52:35 <kc5tja> And, yes, interacting with the professors is always a bonus.  Keep your eyes and ears open, and you'll learn things that aren't normally taught in the class, and not always on the class' subject either.
22:53:44 <gilbertdeb> kc5tja thats true.
22:54:14 <Serg_Penguin> if one cheats w/ tasks, for what da hell does he learning ????
22:54:57 <Serg_Penguin> i cheated only in subjects i did not ever wanted to know - like literatore or history, coz it's propaganda and brainwash
22:55:23 <gilbertdeb> Serg_Penguin but  you have to remember that a lot of people don't go to school to learn. they go specifically to get 'a degree'
22:55:40 <gilbertdeb> whatever they do to get it, thats what they do.
22:56:03 <gilbertdeb> if they have to copy essays from the net to get it, thats what they'll do especially if they can get away with it.
22:56:11 <gilbertdeb> And i"ve seen it done so many times its not even funny.
22:57:20 <gilbertdeb> Serg_Penguin propganda/brainwash there is still stuff to be learnt.
22:57:36 <fridge> a lot of universities got pulled up for plagiarism here
22:57:43 <fridge> they had independant auditing I think
22:58:02 <gilbertdeb> Serg_Penguin I cheated once ... I was 10 or 11. I've never bothered to cheat since.
22:58:14 <fridge> and for professors passing students who pay fees up front
22:58:15 <gilbertdeb> if even it means I get a bad grade for not finishing on time, I don't care.
22:58:25 <fridge> even when they failed the coursework
22:58:31 <gilbertdeb> fridge really?
22:58:35 <fridge> yes
22:58:53 <fridge> because full fee paying international students pay for the research
22:59:00 <fridge> and of course people want more research $
22:59:07 <fridge> so they push them through like cattle
22:59:30 <gilbertdeb> the important thing is to learn how to read, write, think, read, write, think. Logically, critically, systematicaly (as in systems theory), analytically.
22:59:31 <fridge> lowering the standards needed to pass
23:00:02 <gilbertdeb> fridge but there are few short term economic incentives not to!
23:00:04 <fridge> a friend of mine at university in melbourne told me that one of his lecturers got replaced because he refused to pass failing students
23:00:33 <fridge> well failing 'fee paying' students
23:00:40 <fridge> not on government HECS
23:01:51 <Serg_Penguin> HELL !
23:01:56 <fridge> do you know what HECS is? I'm not sure if there are similar systems everywhere else, basically .gov keeps a tally of fees and when you graduate and get a nice job paying big $$$ the government recoups the money then through higher taxes
23:03:35 <kc5tja> fridge: Yes, they're called "Government Student Loans" here in America.  
23:03:41 <kc5tja> And that's if you can qualify for them.
23:05:46 * kc5tja is pissed; I have a nice new room with which to erect a decent-sized antenna in, and I can't do it because I don't have a screwdriver to wire the power supply to the ham radio to use it with.  :)
23:08:47 * Serg_Penguin screwed my recent computer w/ a table knife
23:09:06 <fridge> I just got offered an amiga 2000 for free
23:09:14 <fridge> now to think of a use for it
23:09:47 <kc5tja> Hey, that's cool.  :)
23:09:51 * kc5tja still has his Amiga 500.
23:10:01 <Serg_Penguin> yeah ! would i get one , i'll find a use, sure ;))
23:11:45 * Robert too.
23:11:51 <Robert> Use? Gaming!
23:11:55 <Robert> Now, some school :)
23:11:56 <Robert> bbl
23:12:12 <kc5tja> Tomorrow, I'll probably head to my old apartment, grab the toolbox and my gi, train, then head home and wire up the rig and restring my guitar.
23:12:18 <gilbertdeb> fridge does it have a x86 or M68K thing?
23:12:43 <kc5tja> gilbertdeb: Amiga 2000s have 68000 processors on board normally.
23:12:59 <gilbertdeb> ah okay.
23:13:04 <kc5tja> Most used ones that you pay money for have at least a 68020 upgrade card in it though.  :)
23:14:53 <kc5tja> Oh well.
23:14:57 * kc5tja is going to hit the sack.
23:15:22 <kc5tja> SDO: As soon as I'm all settled in here, I'll start working on that guitar lesson thing.
23:16:53 <Serg_Penguin> kc5tja: electric or acoustic guitar ?
23:17:40 <kc5tja> Electric.
23:18:58 <Serg_Penguin> kc5tja: that's kewl
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23:33:10 <kc5tja> doh; thin came and gone.
23:33:16 <kc5tja> Serg_Penguin: Yeah, but acoustic is cool too.
23:33:33 <kc5tja> Each has their own unique texture.
23:44:07 <gilbertdeb> ot: kc5tja ever listened to Morphine?
23:46:28 <Serg_Penguin> gilbertdeb: i wanna sue everyone who adv's drugs in names or trademarks
23:46:46 <gilbertdeb> :)
23:46:50 <Serg_Penguin> up to Steinberg w/ their 'Acid'
23:46:50 <kc5tja> gilbertdeb: Never heard of them.
23:47:27 <gilbertdeb> Serg_Penguin the drug itself does nothing, people's abuse of it is what causes trouble.
23:52:32 <fridge> the drug does a lot of things
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23:54:28 <gilbertdeb> Serg_Penguin the group has a really great sound. you should listen to them sometime :)
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