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06:10:38 <Serg_Penguin> hi !
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09:31:42 <Herkamire> wb wossname 
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11:16:54 <gilbertdeb> aloha
11:18:28 <arke> 'lo
13:15:04 <gilbertdeb> how is your forth coming along?
13:19:43 <Herkamire> mine's coming along nicely :)
13:20:30 <gilbertdeb> :)
13:20:36 <gilbertdeb> and is it documented in the sources?
13:20:37 <gilbertdeb> :)
13:32:37 <Herkamire> in the sources? no
13:33:02 <Herkamire> I don't have comments, just a doc/ directory
13:33:16 <Herkamire> I have shadow blocks, but I don't really use them
13:33:27 <gilbertdeb> hey, can you ask a question that cannot be reframed in terms of: how, wh{at, en, ere, o, y} ?
13:34:42 <Herkamire> do you think I know these things?
13:35:38 <Herkamire> are these good ones?
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13:38:01 <gilbertdeb> heheh. I think they're atomic
13:38:21 <gilbertdeb> I can't think of anything else to put in there.
13:41:04 <hovil> gilbertdeb: you can put forward a proposition as a question
13:41:40 <gilbertdeb> hovil what do you mean?
13:41:45 <hovil> going to the beach today?
13:42:04 <hovil> its kind of cheating I know.
13:42:06 <gilbertdeb> hovil but it can be reframed ...
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13:48:36 <Herkamire> gilbertdeb: can you reframe this question?
13:49:04 <gilbertdeb> Herkamire 'how can this question be reframed' :)
13:49:14 <Herkamire> different question
13:49:21 <gilbertdeb> Hmmm.
13:49:31 <gilbertdeb> so 'intention' or capability ?
13:49:34 <Herkamire> yours assumes that it's possible. mine is asking if it's possible
13:52:28 <gilbertdeb> Herkamire I think it is a valid question.
13:52:47 <gilbertdeb> I really ought to think a little harder.
13:53:07 <Herkamire> I think there is a class of questions that can be reframed start with is/are.
13:53:40 <gilbertdeb> I thought about that ...
13:53:44 <Herkamire> are you hungry?
13:53:49 <Herkamire> is that a hamburger?
13:54:13 <Herkamire> do like forth?  --> is forth a language you like?
13:54:49 <Herkamire> this might be the class of "yes or no" questions
13:54:59 <gilbertdeb> heheh. thats right.
13:55:00 <gilbertdeb> the famous.
13:55:39 <gilbertdeb> Herkamire I'd say a lot can be reframed in terms of the yes/no type queries.
13:55:46 <gilbertdeb> or else we'd have no computers? :)
13:55:50 <gilbertdeb> eg, 'date'.
13:55:53 <Herkamire> hehe :)
13:56:18 <gilbertdeb> date clearly asks 'what' ... but it wires down to yes/no.
13:56:20 <Herkamire> 20 questions game can identify any object with yes/no questions
13:56:43 <gilbertdeb> so would you say the yes/no types are the real atomical ones?
13:57:07 <Herkamire> I guess. I'm no expert, I'm just thinking.
13:57:31 <Herkamire> also you can reframe at least some of your wh... words into what:
13:57:32 <gilbertdeb> heheh. keep going.
13:57:46 <gilbertdeb> true. when == what place
13:57:53 <Herkamire> when are you coming?  ---> what time are you coming
13:57:55 <Herkamire> yeah.
13:57:56 <gilbertdeb> oops. what time.\\
13:58:04 <gilbertdeb> where == what place etc.
13:58:15 <gilbertdeb> so What, and the yes/no types would you say?
13:58:23 <Herkamire> why --> what are your reasons...
13:58:32 <gilbertdeb> the intention/capability ones fall neatly under yes/no as well.
13:58:33 <Herkamire> how --> what makes it work
13:58:59 <Herkamire> who --> what person
13:59:26 <Herkamire> that brings us down to two classes of questions.
13:59:38 <gilbertdeb> yes: what, yes/no
13:59:49 <Herkamire> ASL (amarican sign language) divides questions that way.
13:59:55 <gilbertdeb> Herkamire really?
14:00:06 <Herkamire> for yes/no you raise your eyebrows, for what you lower your eyebrows
14:00:11 <gilbertdeb> no how would you know this??? 
14:00:30 <Herkamire> I've studied sighnlanguage a bit
14:00:39 <gilbertdeb> Okay, what were the freaking chances!!!
14:00:41 <Herkamire> I can do basic communication
14:00:56 <gilbertdeb> awesome.
14:01:39 <Herkamire> I've thought asl was cool for ages, but now that I have someone to sighn to, I actually learned it. (my girlfriend knows quite a bit of asl)
14:01:58 <gilbertdeb> cool!
14:02:25 <Herkamire> irc is probably a great place for deaf people, so I wouldn't be too suprised to find others here who know sign language.
14:02:44 <gilbertdeb> yes, there are.
14:03:00 <Herkamire> well, I gotta go
14:03:06 <gilbertdeb> thanks man.
14:03:15 <gilbertdeb> mebe I should have thought a lot harder :)
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18:52:37 <Herkamire> I'm back! I'm back! oh boy! what happened?
18:52:55 <gilbertdeb> arke went to play madden
18:53:00 <gilbertdeb> its a slow universe.
18:53:20 <Herkamire> lots of people must be falling over
18:53:45 <gilbertdeb> heheh.
18:54:15 <Herkamire> http://www.irtc.org/ftp/pub/anims/2001-04-15/falldown.mpg
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19:24:57 <Herkamire> gilbertdeb: can you access this URL: http://www.dropinthebucket.net/Reason.html
19:31:37 <gilbertdeb> ya man
19:32:07 <Herkamire> my client complains that some associates of hers get "file not found". can't fathom why
19:32:34 <gilbertdeb> ask her to ask them to refresh
19:37:25 <Herkamire> they've tried it several times. and they can get to my website http://herkamire.com/ which is on the same server, same nameservers, same registrar...
19:37:32 <Herkamire> same damn settings everywhere
19:37:55 <Herkamire> probably just some stupid thing like he didn't capitalize the R.
19:38:28 <gilbertdeb> Herkamire but it shouldn't matter no?
19:38:42 <uuter> yeah, its case sensitive
19:38:55 <uuter> i never use upper-case
19:40:08 <Herkamire> me neither
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22:20:55 <Serg_Penguin> hi
22:21:54 <uuter> hello
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22:44:06 <uuter> hi hi
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23:00:56 <Serg_Penguin> i just bought a red-green stereo glasses :)) maybe will make stereoscopic demos ;))
23:58:35 <uuter> heh
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