00:00:00 --- log: started forth/03.08.24 00:07:50 --- mode: ChanServ set +o I440r 00:08:09 --- mode: I440r set +l 83 00:08:09 heh 00:08:15 --- mode: I440r set -o I440r 00:10:57 ? 00:11:10 its a joke 00:11:16 limit to the 83 standard :P 00:11:33 :P 00:11:37 heh 00:11:58 historically that limit has always been set in here - it was added to teh default channel modes 00:12:02 not sure why its removed 00:12:13 i doubt this channel will ever have more than 83 ppl init 00:12:14 in it 00:12:16 you like the FIG 83 standard? 00:13:02 83 is post fig - its not realy a fig standard, it was developed by the forth standard team 00:13:15 and i prefer 83 to ans. ans is an abomination 00:13:17 ugh 00:13:26 its so huge 00:13:44 so ;uses is equivilent to DOES> ? 00:14:12 does compiles ;code into the definition followed by a call to dodoes 00:14:17 ;code is similar to ;uses 00:14:38 but that might be specific to direct threaded Forths? 00:15:15 hmm not sure 00:15:27 you could check out some other subroutine threaded forths 00:15:30 ther are a few for download 00:15:42 isnt pygmy forth sub threaded ? 00:15:45 but are they *clean* ? 00:15:59 not too sure 00:19:01 define *clean* 00:19:02 heh 00:19:17 like not microsoft source 00:19:58 as in understandable 00:20:02 corse they arent microsoft source 00:20:19 hmm very few people comment their code so.... understandable ??? not sure :) 00:32:28 I440, have you checked out #bsrf on this server? 00:32:59 what is it ? 00:33:07 heh, don't even go therre 00:33:11 nothing worth your time 00:33:12 *SCRIPT KIDDIE HEAVEN* 00:33:17 lol 00:33:31 it provides entertainment 00:33:40 just a bunch of morons that think they're smart that we like to harrass every now and then 00:33:43 i get enough of that already :) 00:33:49 lol 00:34:09 im a genius but i dont even PRETEND im smart! 00:34:10 i440 as is the Intel chip? 00:34:23 s/is/in 00:34:53 there was a 440? 00:34:59 i thought just 4040 and 4004 00:35:13 no 00:35:19 Ibanez 440 radius 00:35:22 i960 family 00:35:31 440 hz being the frequency of the A note 00:35:46 and the radius part refering to the radius on the fret-board 00:36:06 im about as rounded as a line 00:36:16 I LIVE TO HACK 00:36:39 hehe 00:38:07 i was looking at the disk images of that Forth i have for the Apple ///, and it was an internal thing at Apple, the guy who wrote it, is one of the two hardware engineers on the iPod 00:40:53 I440r: how did you implement POSTPONE ? 00:41:03 i didnt 00:41:15 its a gay assed limp wristed ansified bullshit word 00:41:19 [COMPILE] 00:41:20 use compile and [compile] 00:41:37 : [compile] ' , ; immediate 00:42:05 yeah, im not really big on the ANS spec 00:42:44 do you program for a living? 00:42:49 some of the ppl in here would be offended by the above statement - i appologise to them 00:43:03 i used to. i hope i do again soon :) 00:43:15 im young, with no sensibilities :) 00:43:53 like application, or systems? 00:44:16 real time embedded 00:44:20 ouu 00:44:28 that sounds rad 00:45:12 i guess you don't have a script kiddie infestation problem in here 00:45:15 it is when your working :P 00:45:29 not realy. dont want one :) 00:45:35 heh 00:45:40 no buzz wordz 00:46:20 are there alot of positions for that sort of work where you are? 00:46:34 ive not worked in 2 years 00:51:09 what sort of MPUs did you see doing that sort of stuff? 00:51:54 name it 00:51:59 ive prolly used it 00:52:03 at one time or another 00:52:11 hmm~ 00:52:19 and if i havent just give me the info on all the opcodes 00:52:20 East German z80 clones~ 00:52:24 and you would never know 00:52:36 whats special about the east german clones ? 00:52:52 nothing 00:53:01 that i know of at least 00:53:15 heh 00:53:33 z86 is my least fave asm 00:53:36 8051 is top 00:53:37 i hear some of them had creative images on the die 00:53:46 z86? 00:54:49 some sort of zilog x86 clone/attempted improvment? 00:55:03 well the x86 was based on the z80 heh 00:55:06 ish 00:55:29 i thought the z80 was done by the logic designers of the 8080 00:55:50 but intel swung back and picked up the improvments? 00:56:07 erm segmented memory ? 00:56:10 improvements ? 00:56:15 heh 00:56:15 what the heck are you smoking! 00:56:23 nout 00:56:38 im not a fan of x86 by any means 00:57:16 a merit driven computer industry would be really cool 00:57:59 it would be cool to write a Forth for the Apple Lisa 00:58:24 lol 00:58:32 now i know your dreaming :) 00:58:48 but i don't think my hardware would survive the development process :) 01:09:57 --- nick: htp123 -> z3r0kewl 01:10:08 nothing like extreme hacking 01:10:08 greetz 01:10:13 totally 01:10:25 i think i just a decent doLit 01:10:28 got 01:51:14 --- quit: I440r () 02:02:25 --- join: gilbertdeb (gilbert@fl-nked-ubr2-c3a-142.miamfl.adelphia.net) joined #forth 02:03:11 --- join: rpc (~rpc@global.whiteh8.net) joined #forth 02:05:02 y0y0y 02:06:44 hey du0d 02:12:01 hi hi 02:17:03 let us hack the planet, ok? 02:19:31 roger that 02:31:06 r0g3rd0dg3r 02:39:33 i got it!~ 02:40:06 the code after DOES> is what is called by the defined words 02:40:16 rather than copying it 02:40:21 --- join: mur (murr@baana-62-165-186-171.phnet.fi) joined #forth 02:40:26 hello 02:40:52 hey 03:43:54 --- quit: onetom ("leaving") 03:46:56 --- join: onetom (~tom@cab.bio.u-szeged.hu) joined #forth 03:47:04 hello 04:02:30 --- quit: z3r0kewl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:22:40 --- quit: mur ("Murr.") 04:40:55 --- join: z3r0kewl (~htp@h24-70-61-20.ca.shawcable.net) joined #forth 05:01:42 --- join: tathi (~josh@68.81.250.90) joined #forth 05:07:55 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 06:49:28 --- quit: z3r0kewl (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 07:07:58 --- join: z3r0kewl (~htp@h24-70-61-20.ca.shawcable.net) joined #forth 07:08:25 Heh 08:44:51 --- join: rO| (~rO|@pD9545BB9.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 08:45:39 Hi 08:46:01 aye 08:47:12 Robert: btw did the msg arrive? 08:47:18 What message? 08:47:41 tech2k 08:48:53 we spoke about max standard wlan radius 08:50:15 as you, he did experiment w/ that 08:52:24 not all ircclients beep and blink when a /msg is recieved.. :-) 08:55:09 Oh.. 08:55:21 I don't think I've talked to him. 08:56:46 he built a quite sophisticated radio out of (almost) nothing 08:57:43 that's what the page is about i gave you the link for 09:00:19 Where? 09:03:20 --- quit: z3r0kewl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:08:32 --- join: z3r0kewl (~htp@h24-70-61-20.ca.shawcable.net) joined #forth 09:24:02 --- join: hovil (~matt@CommSecureAustPtyLtd.sb1.optus.net.au) joined #forth 09:29:19 hey 09:29:32 hi 09:57:19 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@ip68-8-127-122.sd.sd.cox.net) joined #forth 09:57:19 --- mode: ChanServ set +o kc5tja 09:57:53 good morning kc5tja 09:58:00 re 09:58:21 In three hours I have to be in San Diego to deliver a $1000 cashier's check to my new landlord. 09:58:47 run like you've never run before 09:59:04 a month's rent? 09:59:06 hovil: I only live 35 miles away. 09:59:35 rO|: First and last month's rent; I'm moving in. 10:01:50 * rk is away: I'm busy 10:02:20 * rk is back (gone 00:00:02) 10:03:37 howdy rk 10:04:50 hey ro| 10:05:36 how are your c4th coding efforts? ;-) 10:08:37 rO|: none and lots of those :P 10:52:53 --- join: rsnow1 (~rsnow1@dialup-89.mcc4u.com) joined #forth 10:53:01 --- nick: rsnow1 -> snowrichard 10:55:39 good morning 10:58:13 Hi richard. 10:58:36 hi robert. still on my first cup of coffee 11:01:02 been thinking of what to add to my little language. 11:01:08 Hihi, I'm no caffeine addict :) 11:01:13 The Forth-like thing? 11:01:27 If you keep adding things to it, it won't be so little anymore. :-) 11:01:31 been drinking coffee since I was 6 years old I guess that qualifies as addict 11:01:37 Anyway, I need to jump in the shower and take off for San Diego. 11:01:48 back in a few hours 11:01:48 I detested coffee until I was 18 11:01:59 * kc5tja still detests coffee, and I'm almost 30. 11:02:07 --- quit: kc5tja ("THX QSO ES 73 DE KC5TJA/6 CL ES QRT AR SK") 11:08:15 well its only 20 pages of code now, not a lot 11:14:47 --- join: I440r_ (~x@dialup-67.29.205.43.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) joined #forth 11:14:55 Hey I440r_ 11:14:59 hi 11:15:02 morning i440r 11:15:06 :) 11:15:11 1:10 pm here 11:15:18 i got up late :) 11:15:22 but yes - i just got up :) 11:16:00 Seems like Forth makes people younger, so that they become teenagers forever ;) 11:16:35 brb 11:17:01 :) 11:19:59 * rk is away: be back soon --- gotta install some stuff 11:20:23 --- quit: rk ("Client Exiting") 11:20:49 * snowrichard will come back later. coding 11:21:04 --- quit: snowrichard ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.2.4") 11:29:14 brb 11:29:24 --- part: I440r_ left #forth 11:31:36 --- join: I440r_ (~x@dialup-67.29.205.43.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) joined #forth 12:03:37 --- join: rk (~rk@ca-cmrilo-docsis-cmtsj-b-36.vnnyca.adelphia.net) joined #forth 12:13:51 --- quit: hovil ("http://lice.codehack.com") 12:20:29 --- join: hovil (~matt@CommSecureAustPtyLtd.sb1.optus.net.au) joined #forth 13:35:40 --- quit: hovil ("http://lice.codehack.com") 13:50:36 --- join: thin (thin@bespin.org) joined #forth 13:50:51 i'm bored 13:51:01 what a pain 13:51:03 --- quit: thin (Client Quit) 14:06:02 --- join: njd (~melons@njd.paradise.net.nz) joined #forth 14:06:10 --- quit: gilbertdeb ("Told you I could quit any time!") 14:24:08 --- quit: I440r_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:24:13 --- join: gilbertdeb (gilbert@fl-nked-ubr2-c3a-142.miamfl.adelphia.net) joined #forth 14:42:53 --- join: I440r (~x@dialup-67.29.205.43.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) joined #forth 14:50:35 --- quit: rpc (Remote closed the connection) 14:51:35 --- join: rpc (~rpc@global.whiteh8.net) joined #forth 15:12:06 --- quit: I440r (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 15:28:41 --- join: I440r_ (~x@dialup-67.29.205.12.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) joined #forth 15:41:40 --- quit: gilbertdeb (Remote closed the connection) 16:01:58 --- join: Frek (~anvil@81-216-25-254.man2.calypso.net) joined #forth 16:10:53 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@h000094d30ba2.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 16:11:29 hi 16:24:04 hi uuter 16:24:23 hello 16:24:46 i was looxing at your colourForth stuff 16:24:56 uuter: cool, what do you think? 16:25:07 it looks cool 16:25:16 but i don't know about pre-parsed source 16:25:38 uuter: you were saying that you didn't like the GAS syntax, what compiler uses a different syntax? 16:25:51 Apple's assembler 16:25:59 for OS X/Darwin 16:26:05 uuter: can I see an example of that syntax? 16:26:23 ok... 16:26:45 http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~danengel/d/count.cgi?D.tgz 16:27:00 http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~danengel/d/ 16:29:10 4 neat, ill try it outy 16:31:06 Oh right :) I tried D while on vacation last year 16:31:19 syntax doesn't look much different. 16:31:30 macros 16:31:34 a few things I didn't recognize, and the macro arguments was different 16:31:43 hi16() lo16() 16:32:12 add r3, r5, r8 16:32:13 uuter: yeah, I like the hi16,lo16 thing much better. 16:32:17 @ha is so cryptic 16:32:23 add 3, 5, 8 16:32:43 huh? 16:32:48 i like the r prefix 16:32:54 me too 16:32:57 i use it with GAS 16:33:09 unfortunately GAS won't enforce it 16:33:10 it helps you differentiate between IMM/SIMMs 16:33:19 yes 16:33:28 i h8 GAS macros 16:33:46 with GAS you must: as -mregnames 16:34:06 cool, i will remember that 16:34:45 it doesn't make you do macros though. This error is hard to find: addi r2, r5, r8 16:35:13 where did that come from? s/it doesn't make you do macros though. // 16:36:12 gas gives no syntax error for this: addi r2, r5, r8 16:36:28 so it assembles an IMM 8? 16:36:44 it just compiles an addi instruction to add eight to r5 and put the result in r2 16:36:54 yeah, not cool 16:37:21 an Apple GAS <-> GNU GAS converter would be cool 16:38:03 it's kinda sad that there are different syntaxes 16:38:43 its not too bad 16:39:04 im sure you could come up with some sed scripts to do most of the work 16:40:38 (back to forth) what do you see as the disadvantages of pre-parsed source? 16:40:57 --- quit: I440r_ () 16:40:57 well, can you edit it as plain text? 16:41:03 or do you need a special editor? 16:41:16 under linux it's as text 16:41:29 when it's self hosting, special editor (I have to write an editor anyway) 16:41:48 so its stored as some sort of intermediate language? 16:41:59 sortof 16:42:40 currently I have a source distrobution. it's all text files. when you run make it converts the ascii source to the pre-parsed stuff. 16:43:06 the pre-parsed format (which is the only thing my forth deals with) is packed into 16 bit words (color included) 16:43:28 i'm writing an editor in my forth for this source format 16:43:37 its certainly interesting, but it seems to sort of counter the idea of Forth 16:43:48 how? 16:43:59 well, it does not seem simple 16:44:11 the interpreter is extremely simple 16:44:27 my ppc kernel is still > 1K I believe 16:44:29 the special editor i think is what makes it seem weird 16:44:32 compiled 16:45:43 the only major disadvantage I see is that I will eventually want an ascii text editor. 16:46:18 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@pc71dn1d.ppp.fcc.net) joined #forth 16:46:19 --- mode: ChanServ set +o TheBlueWizard 16:46:22 hiya all 16:46:26 hi TheBlueWizard 16:46:28 hello 16:46:31 hiya Herkamire 16:46:34 what model Mac do you have? 16:46:34 hiya uuter 16:46:41 could you run OS X in MOL? 16:46:48 dual G4 450MHz 16:46:56 thats plenty 16:47:05 do you have dual/triple boot? 16:47:13 uuter: I haven't checked lately, but last time I did MOL doesn't work with SMP 16:47:32 I don't think I have OS X installed anymore. 16:47:46 even Darwin would work im sure 16:47:59 no, I don't have OS X 16:48:10 what do you want me to do with darwin? 16:48:28 I have a 1GB partition free 16:48:35 nothing, im just saying that if you want to port your colour forth to OS X/Darwin 16:48:57 uuter: oh, no thanks. I'm just going to make it self hosting 16:49:08 ah, that works 16:49:11 if someone wants to port it that would be cool 16:49:15 did you get that screen saver? 16:49:46 there's less that 7K of asm source to port 16:49:55 what screensaver? 16:50:11 that uses the Client Interface 16:50:18 your cousin wrote? 16:50:39 oh, haven't looked. 16:51:07 I'm going to work on my editor for a while longer first 16:51:18 i downloaded a bunch of firmware updates from Apple, and the image file is ripe the Forth source 16:55:51 id like to see colorforth on osx 16:55:54 and THE 16:56:15 i suppose, it runs in X right, is that linux only though? 16:56:25 would be cool to get it working in bochs or something. 16:56:33 (colorforth) 17:00:33 there is a version hack of chuck's colorforth that supposedly runs under bochs. I couldn't get it to work though. 17:00:45 I don't know how to use bochs very well though. 17:01:31 http://www.oakland.edu/~maslicke/colorforth/ 17:06:21 cool 17:06:22 yeah me either 17:08:28 oh right. you have to compile bochs with one of the patches that it comes with for it to work with that colorforth 17:09:19 why ? 17:17:32 --- join: I440r_ (~x@dialup-67.29.205.43.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) joined #forth 17:17:50 hiya I440r_!!! :) 17:17:58 how did the interview go? 17:18:12 dunno yet 17:18:13 heh 17:18:18 but i got a good chance 17:18:24 might know wednesday 17:18:27 :) 17:21:56 im praying :) 17:23:11 yeah...I understand 17:34:15 heyhey 17:34:33 --- nick: z3r0kewl -> ralph 17:34:59 I440r_: join the l33t people 17:36:00 --- quit: ralph (Nick collision from services.) 17:36:05 --- join: z3r0kewl (~htp@h24-70-61-20.ca.shawcable.net) joined #forth 17:36:14 hello mr cool 17:36:22 hello 17:36:45 i should pay more attention to nickserv 17:40:17 huh? 17:40:38 You were killed by services. (Nick collision) 17:41:47 lol 17:44:15 ah :) I wonder whether it is a head-on collision, or ego collision :) 17:46:45 y0 y0 17:47:05 --- nick: z3r0kewl -> htp 18:26:49 --- quit: I440r_ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:58:21 --- join: I440r_ (~x@dialup-67.29.205.43.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) joined #forth 18:59:17 hiya I440r_ again! 18:59:52 hi :) 19:17:11 * TheBlueWizard wanders out into the night 19:17:35 bye all 19:17:38 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 19:31:34 where is chuck's colorforth documented? 19:33:28 --- join: gilbertdeb (gilbert@fl-nked-ubr2-c3a-142.miamfl.adelphia.net) joined #forth 19:35:08 [where] is chuck's colorforth documented? 19:35:51 Read the source, luke :) 19:36:10 thats where isforth is documented too hehe 19:36:12 lol 19:36:37 does chuck comment his code ? 19:36:41 ive not looked at it 19:37:24 hahahha. 19:37:55 isn't x386 asm READABLE enough for you I440r_? 19:38:10 now you want what, comments? 19:38:20 next you'd want literate X86 asm code! 19:38:42 :) 19:39:21 lets draw a limit now: terse, tight, x86 asm is best. 19:39:32 preferrably with undocumented op codes :D 19:40:10 chuck has a bunch of comments in there 19:40:19 yay! 19:40:40 it took me a while to figure out/remember about the thumb buttons 19:41:28 hmm? 19:41:33 with quite a bit of poking around and guessing, I seem to be finding my way around 19:41:49 at the bottom right corner there's a key to the keyboard 19:41:56 saying what various keys do. 19:42:03 took me a while to figure out what the bottom row of that meant. 19:42:17 it's these keys: N 19:43:01 I'd seen this before though: http://www.colorforth.com/keys.html 19:43:06 so I eventually figured it out 20:24:52 --- quit: I440r_ () 20:29:21 --- quit: gilbertdeb ("Told you I could quit any time!") 21:22:23 --- quit: htp ("*") 21:40:00 --- quit: Herkamire ("goodbye, cruel world") 22:16:48 --- join: Serg_Penguin (Serg_Pengu@212.34.52.140) joined #forth 22:17:54 re ! 22:18:09 hello 22:19:49 i wrote no line of code this weekend ;( 22:20:31 bu instead i met w/ my ex-gf and had been to a great photo and books supermarket 22:20:47 supermarketS, separate ones 22:22:06 i bought a book on firearms design ;) i wonder why the hell such a books are sold openly ! it's a complete guidebook, w/ math and diagrams 22:22:48 where do you live? 22:23:12 Moscow, RU 22:23:16 you ? 22:23:25 West Canada 22:23:39 i hear you can get alot of stuff in Russia :) 22:23:56 western 22:24:21 yeah, if u wannabe new Kalashnikov, come to the new bookstore ;)) 22:24:39 hehe 22:25:22 btw, he may rent his name for various handbooks 22:25:39 "Kalashnikov's guide on home-brew photo-camera", yeah ? 22:25:45 hmm 22:26:17 "Kalashnikov's guide to Kamov helicopters" 22:26:24 anyway, better than renting his name 4 beer 22:26:50 so how is the hacking is Russia? 22:26:52 Kamov suxx coz of rotors collision risk 22:26:58 really? 22:27:07 i've never heard of that happening 22:27:26 entire scheme suxx, not only Kamov namely 22:27:41 i like Kamov helicopters 22:27:59 they have good benefits 22:28:55 easier to fly, harder to produce 22:29:16 retreating blade stall is not an issue 22:29:31 and you are not wasting energy on a tail rotor 22:29:48 and its a more symetric flight model 22:30:05 imagine how the hell complex is 'clock-hand' mechanism, shaft-in-shaft shift mechanism 22:30:15 yeah, i know 22:30:28 the yaw mechanism took me a long time to figure out 22:31:03 if i build a model helicopter, it will be a co-axial 22:31:09 i was designing an autogyre w/ a friend, to raise 'soapbox' camera and take air fotos 22:31:25 model autogyre 22:31:26 cool 22:31:42 do you work with helicopters? 22:31:52 we had lotsa trubble w/ rotor ASSymmetry 22:31:56 never more ! 22:32:21 i'm sysadmin, and the greatest rotor i have is power cooler 22:32:30 happily, it has no yaw mechanism 22:32:31 heh 22:32:43 yeah 22:33:12 there is a Ka-32 used for logging here 22:33:36 we looked at Kamov scheme, but w/ our materials rotors would surely collide 22:33:44 it was the first Russian aircraft licenced to operate in north america i think 22:34:08 kamov auto-gyro? 22:34:35 yeah, coaxial rotors w/o any mechanism 22:34:57 why? coaxial is to ballance torque 22:35:07 auto-gyro has no torque 22:35:10 rotors as simple as 'kindergarden' glider or kite 22:35:24 coaxial to balance retreating blade problem 22:35:32 ah 22:36:42 i have never seen a coaxial auto-gyro 22:37:24 u never seen coz real ones are balanced by hand through yaw mechanism 22:37:44 and we were AVOIDING the mechanism, keeping the damn thing EASY 22:37:54 yeah, i agree 22:38:07 so we needed another measures to balance 22:38:18 well, if i build model helicopter, i don't want to have to make the little pices for tail rotor 22:38:56 but this problem has another aspect - forwarding blade raises coz of greater lift, just to hit the retreating one of upper rotor 22:39:04 yeah 22:39:24 you need to keep the rotor disc rpm up 22:39:47 which you don't really have control with an auto-gyro 22:39:57 Ka solves it by expensive materials and variable pitch along blades 22:40:05 we had none of this 22:40:21 yeah, NASA was up here looking at that Ka-32 22:40:36 the blades are a special composite material 22:40:57 they can twist along the chord i think 22:41:04 we refused to use even balsa 22:41:26 blades are usually harder wood 22:41:47