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00:57:51 <kc5tja> Back
00:58:01 <kc5tja> My roommate sprained his knee pretty badly.  :(
00:58:19 <Serg_Penguin> ;((
00:58:29 * Serg_Penguin is typing a long answer in a web forum
01:08:35 * kc5tja nods
01:08:50 <kc5tja> My roommate and I were sparring earlier this evening, aikido versus kenpo.
01:08:55 <kc5tja> He won, of course.
01:09:24 <kc5tja> He tried to throw me, but he didn't move his leg out of my way, and I landed on it.
01:09:29 <kc5tja> I got a knee to the back, and he sprained it.  :/
01:09:40 <Serg_Penguin> ;(
01:09:56 * Serg_Penguin is fat hamster and do not fly
01:12:51 <kc5tja> One doesn't need to be super fit to do aikido.
01:12:56 <kc5tja> It of course helps.  :)
01:13:17 <kc5tja> But, the point is, if you're going to throw someone, give them a place to land other than your own knee.  :)
01:13:36 <kc5tja> Usually, this means, when throwing, you move your fore leg back out of the way.
01:14:08 * Serg_Penguin neither fly myself nor throw others
01:17:28 <kc5tja> If you met someone who did aikido, and he threw you, you'd fly.  :)  Believe me, you will fly.  :D
01:20:49 * Serg_Penguin now has two fixed ideas:
01:21:02 <Serg_Penguin> 1) To build a regen/autodyne radio
01:21:27 <Serg_Penguin> 2) To write tiny and bright sea game in Forth
01:24:19 * kc5tja nods
01:24:41 <Serg_Penguin> and one more:
01:24:44 <kc5tja> Personally, for me at least, the sea game is easier to do, but I think the radio would be more gratifying.  :)
01:25:21 * Serg_Penguin wrote many progs and did not build any good radio
01:25:32 <Serg_Penguin> so 1st is more tempting
01:26:20 <Serg_Penguin> did u ever play sea game ?
01:26:44 <Serg_Penguin> old PIRATES, RU "Sea legends" ?
01:27:46 <Serg_Penguin> "Aces of the Depth", "Silent service" ?
01:34:28 <kc5tja> No.
01:34:37 <kc5tja> I've played Battleship though -- does that count?
01:37:49 <Serg_Penguin> what's it ?
01:38:30 <kc5tja> You have a set of various ships placed on a regular grid (I forget how big: I think 20x20).
01:38:35 <kc5tja> Maybe 15x15
01:38:49 <Serg_Penguin> yeah ! old school paper game...
01:38:55 <Serg_Penguin> NOT counts
01:39:24 <kc5tja> Anyway, you call off grid coordinates and place pegs.  If a peg intersects one of your ships, an explosion occurs.  If a ship is three cells big, you need three explosions on the ship to sink it.  
01:39:45 <Serg_Penguin> ok, i know it
01:40:53 <Serg_Penguin> http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/sealegends/review.html
01:41:06 <Serg_Penguin> http://www.google.com.ru/search?q=sea+legends+game+review&ie=windows-1251&hl=ru&btnG=%CF%EE%E8%F1%EA+%E2+Google
01:43:06 <Serg_Penguin> you may even download Sea Legends:
01:43:08 <Serg_Penguin> http://free-game-downloads.mosw.com/abandonware/pc/strategy_games/games_s_sn/sea_legends.html
01:47:37 <Serg_Penguin> ..
01:48:08 <Serg_Penguin> i tryed original Sid Meyer's PIRATES, but i lacked a manual
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01:57:43 <kc5tja> Hmm
01:57:48 <kc5tja> I think I'm going to go to bed.
01:57:54 * kc5tja is rather frustrated at the moment.
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05:03:47 <mur> Serg_Penguin!
05:03:51 <Serg_Penguin> hi
05:04:00 * mur came just 2 mins ago too
05:04:03 <mur> i have somethign for you
05:04:10 <Serg_Penguin> i listen
05:04:34 <mur> if you want to use 320x200 or x240 mode i have some graphics
05:04:53 <mur> for the game
05:04:58 <Serg_Penguin> ;)
05:05:03 <Serg_Penguin> URL ?
05:05:09 <mur> i coudl dcc
05:05:29 <Serg_Penguin> do it (but i have firewall)
05:05:39 <Serg_Penguin> how much K ?
05:06:11 <mur> just a sec
05:06:26 <mur> it is still .psd
05:06:48 <Serg_Penguin> oops, i have traffic limits !
05:06:52 <mur> do you want .jpg or .pcx or .bmp
05:07:12 <mur> 180 KB as psd but i think it will be much smaller than that
05:07:30 <Serg_Penguin> .gif coz 19h is palette mode
05:08:05 <mur> it's not entirely complete i guess
05:08:22 <mur> i'll convert please wait
05:08:22 <Serg_Penguin> i'm not sure will i write or not
05:08:28 <mur> np
05:08:35 <mur> the graphics can be used to anything else too
05:09:05 <Serg_Penguin> doing artwork w/o working engine is no good
05:09:26 <mur> i rarely bother doing tilesets
05:09:32 <mur> this can be used to many other purposes too
05:09:34 <mur> dont worry
05:09:40 <Serg_Penguin> http://free-game-downloads.mosw.com/abandonware/
05:09:51 <Serg_Penguin> u can find 'Sea Legends' here
05:10:22 <mur> ok
05:10:26 <Serg_Penguin> >50M download, but if u don't mind, it's mega good
05:10:49 <Serg_Penguin> it also has original Sid Meyer's PIRATES
05:10:53 <mur> :)
05:11:00 <mur> it is hacked pirates? :)
05:11:08 <Serg_Penguin> i have it on old games CD
05:11:19 <Serg_Penguin> dunno, not downloaded ;)
05:11:42 <Serg_Penguin> but i failed to play PIRATES - something wrong w/ control
05:12:15 <mur> i played pirates on amiga
05:12:36 <Serg_Penguin> amiga rulez ^)
05:12:38 <mur> should i make 1. usable version and 2. version with tile information
05:12:47 <Serg_Penguin> ???
05:13:10 <mur> well
05:13:16 <mur> i'll make usable version
05:13:30 <Serg_Penguin> if i ever make a game, i won't need tiles coz i won't use them ;)
05:13:45 <mur> :)
05:14:24 <mur> i can use these in my own games
05:14:36 * mur has been thinking of coding simple capitalism clone
05:14:58 <Serg_Penguin> i may only need title gfx
05:15:27 <Serg_Penguin> but i can rob some from history book
05:15:28 <mur> is dcc workign?
05:16:03 <Serg_Penguin> i see no float-ups
05:16:49 <mur> ?
05:18:28 <mur> murr.host.sk/tmp/sealegends.gif
05:24:51 <Serg_Penguin> nice, but not at all my genre
05:25:49 <mur> :)
05:25:58 <mur> it's old console genre i think :)
05:26:15 <mur> handheld game machine or such
05:26:33 <mur> i wouldn't be so proud of that :)
05:26:59 <mur> but at least i (for first time) bothered doing all the water <-> land tiles :)
05:35:57 <mur> Serg_Penguin so you dont need the tileset, k?
05:36:08 <Serg_Penguin> sure
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05:36:31 <mur> i'll turn it then to capitalism clone tileset :)
05:36:31 <Serg_Penguin> if i'll ever write, it will be all vector
05:36:37 <mur> :)
05:43:24 <Serg_Penguin> have u any doc on PIRATES ?
05:46:48 <mur> no
05:47:04 <mur> who dont you load pirates manual on the same site?
05:48:14 <Serg_Penguin> it has no, game only
05:49:03 <mur> :/
05:54:28 <Serg_Penguin> LAMERZZZZZZ
05:54:43 <Serg_Penguin> they demand to install their proggie to download...
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09:37:04 <kc5tja> re
09:56:17 <mur> re
10:05:37 <kc5tja> re
10:09:26 <mur> re
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11:39:11 <XeF4> re
11:39:21 <TreyB> Cut that out.
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11:41:14 <kc5tja> re
11:41:15 <kc5tja> ;P
11:41:42 <tathi> why ;P
11:41:43 <tathi> ?
11:42:01 <tathi> oh.
11:42:05 <kc5tja> Read the chat logs...  It's kind of a running joke.  :)
11:47:01 * Robert returns
11:47:08 <tathi> Well, how 'bout that?  A publisher with a sensible attitude toward the net!
11:47:13 <tathi> http://www.baen.com/library/
12:17:53 <XeF4> er, where are the #forth logs kept again?
12:22:15 <kc5tja> http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/forth/
12:22:26 <kc5tja> OK, I actually have a very simple customer to address, so I have to get going.
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12:24:20 <XeF4> "a very simple customer" =)
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15:41:21 <kc5tja> XeF4: Yes, very simple.  VERY simple.  Like, he literally couldn't figure out how to connect his printer to his computer using USB.
15:41:39 <kc5tja> I made my first dollar though.  :)
15:43:49 <XeF4> couldn't figure out the physical wiring aspect? *sheesh*
15:45:04 <kc5tja> Nope
15:45:27 <mur> sheep sheeps
15:45:29 <mur> oh
15:45:30 <mur> sheesh
15:45:35 <mur> hey both
15:47:23 * kc5tja goes to put the gi in the wash...
15:47:45 <kc5tja> Now, if only I could get referrals off of said customer, that would be even neater.
15:49:01 <XeF4> "at first I was a bit skeptical, but he even knew how to plug a cord into a socket" ?
15:50:34 <kc5tja> Well, he could plug the computer into the wall outlet, but that's about it.
15:50:35 <kc5tja> :)
15:50:52 <kc5tja> I had to train him on how to use the printer, how to configure it, some basics about how to use WordPerfect, etc.
15:51:33 <kc5tja> The scary thing is: this guy is taking legal courses in school.
15:51:54 <kc5tja> Ask him anything about law, and if he doesn't know, he at least knows where to look.
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15:52:06 <kc5tja> Ask him anything about computers, and his brain just starts melting.  :)
15:54:48 <XeF4> odd that people suspend whatever reasoning ability they have whenever computers are involved
15:56:17 * kc5tja nods
15:56:22 <kc5tja> Hey, it makes me money.
15:56:27 <kc5tja> Cars are like that too.
15:56:47 * kc5tja tends to get iffy with cars, especially considering every attempt I've made to fix my car has only resulted in something else going wrong.  :)
15:58:24 <XeF4> come to think of it, I used to get that way a bit with ship equipment
15:59:53 <XeF4> and usually I *knew* how it was physically possible to do something, but wouldn't let myself do it because I was unsure of <act>'s social acceptability
16:00:43 <kc5tja> Well, I don't touch the various parts of my car anymore, except for the most obvious and easily accessible things.
16:01:02 <kc5tja> My car is the only form of long-range transportation I have.
16:02:00 <XeF4> *nod*
16:10:38 <XeF4> ok, now I see that I must not judge such people because I lose reason in certain circumstances too
16:13:08 * kc5tja nods
16:13:11 <kc5tja> I think we all do.
16:13:19 <kc5tja> Scott Adams said it best: We're all idiots of some kind or another.
16:13:29 <kc5tja> Speaking of which, time to catch up...
16:14:53 * XeF4 off
16:24:29 <kc5tja> OK.  :)
16:24:54 <kc5tja> I hope my laundry is done in an hour...I have aikido.  :/
16:33:43 <a7r_> LM2937..
16:34:44 <a7r_> it's interesting that these guys added so much protection to their power supply circuit.
16:35:43 <a7r_> kc5tja: you awake?
16:37:07 <kc5tja> Yup
16:37:11 <kc5tja> Reading SLuggy Freelance.  :)
16:37:26 <kc5tja> brb though -- bathroom
16:45:05 <kc5tja> back
16:55:47 * kc5tja yawns
17:25:37 <Robert> Hi
17:25:42 <kc5tja> re
17:25:52 <kc5tja> 30 minutes 'til Aikido.
17:25:59 <Robert> :)
17:26:04 <Robert> Have fun.
17:27:25 <kc5tja> I'll try.
17:27:35 <kc5tja> It's hot, it's humid, and I'm being lazy, because I didn't eat right this morning.  :)
17:27:41 <kc5tja> We'll see how much fun I have... :D
17:29:20 <Robert> Hehe.. at least the others will have some fun, on your expense.
17:30:36 <kc5tja> The nice thing about aikido: payback is automatic.  :D
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21:51:47 <suprdupr> damn
21:52:02 <suprdupr> the test.iso was doing ok under vmware
21:52:24 <suprdupr> and i used my irqs+nmi disable snippet
21:52:55 <suprdupr> the ctrl-alt-del wasn't working so the sector loaded in memory successfully
21:53:18 <suprdupr> and i placed a little ! display 16bit snippet after the read
21:53:35 <suprdupr> so it must have stuck in the read routine....
21:53:44 <a7r_> hey
21:53:45 <suprdupr> i wish i had an interactive forth prompt
21:53:49 <suprdupr> lol
21:54:16 <suprdupr> it wouldnt do much for my purpose after all
21:55:17 <kc5tja> re
21:55:22 <a7r_> sup sup
21:55:34 <suprdupr> re btw everyone ;p
21:55:43 * kc5tja is a bit depressed at the moment.
21:56:24 <a7r_> sup?
21:56:36 <kc5tja> Nothing.  It'll pass.
21:56:43 <a7r_> werd.
21:56:48 <kc5tja> I just had a really bad night in Aikido tonight.
21:56:58 <kc5tja> Couldn't get shit straight in my head.
21:57:04 <kc5tja> At least I was aware and took good ukemi.
21:57:11 <kc5tja> But my technique just wasn't there at all.
21:57:22 <a7r_> the game dev team I'm working with decided they want to go with Forth instead of Python for game scripting.
21:57:50 * kc5tja nods
21:57:53 <suprdupr> a7r_: with my system, writing native bootable games?
21:57:55 <suprdupr> ;o)
21:58:16 <a7r_> suprdupr: haha, with ficl right now.
21:58:22 <suprdupr> oh you mean inside the prog
21:58:24 <a7r_> C doing the OpenGL, Ficl doing the scripting and control console.
21:58:24 <suprdupr> kk
21:58:58 <kc5tja> Ye olde righte toole fore the righte jobbe.
21:59:24 <a7r_> we might bust out with Python later on.. but we're going to have a go at forthing the whole thing.
22:04:22 <suprdupr> pc games?
22:04:33 <suprdupr> only? which platform?
22:14:46 <suprdupr> my code works on vmware but not on real hardware....
22:15:19 <suprdupr> it reads one sector from the ide hard drive
22:15:25 <kc5tja> Does this mean your code is only pseudo-code?  ;)
22:15:36 <suprdupr> hahaha
22:15:51 <suprdupr> it reads, but mayeb not completely
22:16:03 <suprdupr> with eltorrito i cant enter  pmode
22:16:06 <kc5tja> I would insert additional screen writes to see where it's hanging
22:16:57 <suprdupr> 16 bit code works on floppy and cdrom on vmware, but hang when reading on hardware
22:17:11 <suprdupr> 32 bit code crashes everything with eltorrito
22:17:19 <kc5tja> Precisely why I would insert *more* screen writes.  :)
22:17:23 <suprdupr> maybe thats because code is misaligned??
22:17:32 <suprdupr> it simply wont enter pmode
22:17:45 <suprdupr> ill try
22:18:36 <kc5tja> I do not recall any alignment issues with entering protected mode.
22:19:21 <kc5tja> But also, remember that JMP $+2 no longer works to flush the instruction queue either.  I forget exactly how, but there is a new method to force the instruction queue to flush.
22:19:47 <kc5tja> I remember reading something about it in an online forum.
22:20:19 <suprdupr> i use a far jump just after the cr0 write
22:20:29 <suprdupr> effectively flushing the queue
22:20:45 <kc5tja> That'll work.
22:20:48 <suprdupr> it's not new, I always used that
22:20:49 <suprdupr> ;p
22:20:56 <kc5tja> Do you need to insert delays between your IN or OUT instructions?
22:21:10 <kc5tja> If so, how are you inserting them?
22:21:12 <suprdupr> i used 6 screen write stages
22:21:41 <suprdupr> i think competent motherboard manufacturers/chipset makers will handle the no-delay
22:21:49 <kc5tja> BAD ASSUMPTION.
22:21:50 <suprdupr> but i use one for a20
22:21:57 <suprdupr> not for nmi
22:22:04 <suprdupr> a out 80h, al
22:22:05 <kc5tja> It thoroughly depends on the peripheral in question.
22:22:21 <suprdupr> supposedly taking 1 ms
22:22:23 <kc5tja> Some chipsets will handle the no-delay, and others won't.
22:22:33 <kc5tja> That's the first I've seen of that.
22:22:50 <kc5tja> I've always seen OUT 0E1h,al as being the delay instruction.
22:23:09 <kc5tja> I recall seeing that mentioned on the ColorForth mailing list.
22:23:18 <suprdupr> k ill try this instead, not a big change
22:23:23 * kc5tja nods
22:23:29 <suprdupr> *www.google is actually a valid URL*
22:23:49 <suprdupr> a google tld??
22:24:01 <suprdupr> thats cool ;p
22:24:02 <kc5tja> No such TLD.
22:24:09 <kc5tja> The browser auto-completes the URL.
22:24:13 <suprdupr> kk
22:24:16 <suprdupr> ouf ;p
22:24:33 <suprdupr> MY YESTERDAY DREAM
22:24:37 <suprdupr> CREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPY
22:24:42 * suprdupr had an intense flashback
22:24:55 <suprdupr> i was seeing someone's head
22:25:11 <suprdupr> justb experiencing the individual's facial expression
22:25:18 <suprdupr> male btw, not my face but male
22:25:29 <suprdupr> he was neutral
22:25:35 <suprdupr> then started bleeding from the ears
22:25:50 <suprdupr> it was from his head, no point in particluar after
22:26:27 <suprdupr> and the I thought in short succession: a BAD sound made him bleed and then A STRANGEEEEEEE sensaition
22:26:35 <suprdupr> most intense fear and disconfort of my life
22:26:47 <suprdupr> i feared for my life
22:27:01 <suprdupr> i think
22:27:13 <suprdupr> it was a body reentrancy from astral realm but not sure
22:27:46 <suprdupr> since all those books preach to keep your thouights clean because after death, every thought materialize and you must watch what you tjink, cause you're gonna experience it
22:27:47 <suprdupr> anyway
22:27:56 <suprdupr> i had to share this
22:28:10 <suprdupr> i thought i was experiencing the sound
22:28:14 <suprdupr> and then boom
22:28:20 <suprdupr> the sensation came in
22:28:26 <suprdupr> it materialized
22:28:28 <suprdupr> anyway
22:29:18 <kc5tja> When I was younger, I would occasionally have some lucid dreams where I would die.
22:29:43 <suprdupr> my girlfriend too made a dream last year that gave her intense fear, maybe not that kind of fear but near the end their was blood on her head and she touched it and then maybe she got thats ensation cause she was traumatized for 2 weeks
22:29:49 <kc5tja> Though the conditions were different, every time, I'd be shot.
22:30:17 <suprdupr> she was attacked by a crow (my nick since im on the Net, circa 13 years old is crow killer lol)
22:30:27 <suprdupr> lucid dreams?
22:30:37 * kc5tja nods
22:30:37 <suprdupr> you were in control and at the end you were shot?
22:30:42 * kc5tja nods
22:30:56 <kc5tja> The first such dream I had, I was working for the CIA.
22:31:09 <kc5tja> I had a metal briefcase, and I was supposed to deliver it to someone.
22:31:25 <kc5tja> As I was walking down the street from my car, I realized I was being trailed.
22:31:54 <kc5tja> I later hear a gun click, and a voice behind me say, "Step into the isle, where we can have some privacy."
22:32:03 <kc5tja> So I did (hands up of course), and we had a small chat.
22:32:22 <kc5tja> "You realize, I have to do this, not because I hate you, but because I was hired to do this," the other guy said.
22:32:29 <kc5tja> "Of course, no hard feelings."
22:32:41 <kc5tja> And with that, I got one bullet through the chest, and he took the briefcase.
22:33:01 <kc5tja> As I was falling to the floor, all sensation was gone, and a distinct sensation of floating came about me.
22:33:11 <kc5tja> Dying was an astonishingly pleasant experience for me.
22:33:25 <kc5tja> Diing?  Dieing?  Fscking English.
22:33:32 <kc5tja> Anyway, that was the first time.
22:33:43 <kc5tja> Oh, and BTW, there is no light at the end of the tunnel.
22:34:09 <kc5tja> My awareness became supreme as I floated and expanded to fill all space.
22:34:24 <kc5tja> My consciousness joined the very fabric of space-time itself.
22:34:27 <suprdupr> all the channeled work i read, even Conversations with Gods emphasize PRECISELY on waht you describe
22:34:50 <suprdupr> you knew all happenned at the same time, in fact there was probably no time
22:35:32 <suprdupr> fascinating stuff!
22:35:48 <suprdupr> www.distinti.com
22:35:58 <suprdupr> that guy rethought electrodynamics
22:36:12 <suprdupr> and describe time at Rate At Which Things Happen
22:36:20 <suprdupr> RAWTH
22:36:23 <suprdupr> iirc
22:37:17 <suprdupr> i want SO much to learn that physic, i think that why i got grades so low in a subject that fascinates me
22:37:30 <suprdupr> ill enter into quantic and wave stuff next year
22:37:59 <suprdupr> you can surely imagine that im always the guy popping weird, unheard before but defendable ideas
22:38:26 <suprdupr> thats in my destiny profile, from angeology to astrology, even (good) numerology
22:40:31 <suprdupr> check for yourself, born 4th of june 1985 in Quebec canada, at around 9PM iirc
22:41:52 <suprdupr> anyway spirituality is great, and your dreams kc5tja were actually quite VERY lucids dreams
22:42:15 <kc5tja> hold on a sec -- phone
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22:51:33 <suprdupr> thanks Samuel for your fascinating report! I think I experienced for my part a phenomenon thaht need explanation
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23:36:56 <kc5tja> back
23:37:28 <Robert> Hi.
23:37:41 <kc5tja> re
23:38:05 * Robert thinks about where the hell he could put a shortwave antenna.
23:38:21 <kc5tja> Yes, that's my problem at the moment actually.  :)
23:38:45 <Robert> Got a tree about 10m from here, and I'm like 6-7 meters above ground here.
23:38:58 <Robert> Or even a bit more.
23:39:08 <Robert> But I wonder what kind of antenna I'll use.
23:39:20 <kc5tja> 10m is a decent distance.  That can give access to the 20m through 10m bands using a dipole.
23:39:40 <Robert> Well.. if I use a _di_pole, where do I have the second one?
23:40:10 <Robert> There's only a pretty thin strip I can use.
23:40:29 <Robert> So I can't keep them apart by more than a few degrees.
23:40:41 <kc5tja> A dipole's two elements are inline to each other
23:40:49 <kc5tja> ---------. .----------
23:40:59 <kc5tja> (where the .  . part is the feedpoint of the antenna)
23:41:53 <Robert> You mean I should have the feedpoint in the middle of the line?
23:42:08 <kc5tja> Well, that's what a dipole is.  :)
23:42:40 <kc5tja> If you have an antenna tuner that can handle it, you can also use an "end-fed dipole".
23:42:47 <Robert> Hehe, yes, but with "the line", I mean the rope I'll have to drag between this house and the tree.
23:42:49 <kc5tja> . .--------------------------
23:42:58 * kc5tja nods
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23:43:38 <Robert> Which means I'll have to have the feeder cable running next to the antenna wire.
23:43:44 <kc5tja> Dipoles are nice, easy, simple antennas, whether center-fed or end-fed.  But they do take space, and will require proper supports.
23:43:55 <kc5tja> Actually, you don't want that.
23:44:09 <kc5tja> What you want is the feeder cable running on the ground, as far away from the antenna as possible. 
23:44:10 <Robert> That's why I was a bit sceptical.
23:44:21 <kc5tja> Then, feed it at 90-degree angle to the radiating elements.
23:44:31 <kc5tja> Or, receiving elements, depending on your specific application.
23:44:37 <Robert> Ehm... that's going to get pretty hard.
23:44:47 <kc5tja> Why so?
23:45:07 <Robert> I'd have to have a cable going up like a tree in the middle of the yard!
23:45:37 <Robert> Without any supporting construction, too.
23:46:16 <kc5tja> I thought you said that you only have one tree available to you, 10m away?
23:46:31 <Robert> Yes, there's a bunch of trees over there.
23:46:35 <Robert> Why?
23:48:50 <kc5tja> I thought you were going to support one end of the antenna (assuming you're going with a dipole of some kind) on said tree.  Hence, it's not the middle. :)
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23:51:17 <Robert> kc5tja: Exactly... The tree is one end, my window is one end. So feeding it from the middle would be hard... Someone told me it's possible to just let the active end go to the tree, and then bury an equally long (about 10m) wire connected to the feeder's ground, in the ground. Would that be possible/practical/safe?
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