00:00:00 --- log: started forth/03.07.17 00:00:32 --- quit: TreyB (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00:04:44 kc5tja: how are your stirling engines ? 00:05:02 I have a power diaphram but that's it. 00:05:09 I have been too busy of late to continue working on it. 00:05:24 I have to go to a customer meeting tomorrow at 1PM, which will probably take a few hours. 00:05:28 No guarantee of a sale though. 00:05:44 * Serg_Penguin is about making a mighty slingshot 00:06:05 maybe, even crossbow-like, w/ a (primitive) lock 00:07:59 --- quit: Herkamire ("leaving") 00:08:31 Well, there's not too much difference between a crossbow and a massive slingshot. :) 00:09:03 difference is aiming accuracy :)) 00:11:28 * kc5tja nods 00:11:48 Slingshots are used a lot in setting up portable radio antennas on camping trips and the like 00:12:16 ;)) 00:12:24 but what about bullet ? 00:12:46 paintball pellet is too soft and may be squished then held by hand 00:13:23 metal nuts are too destructive to shoot at men, even hooligans 00:17:36 We use lead weights. 00:17:45 Lead weight on a fishing line, up into the trees. 00:18:00 Then we tie the antenna wire to it, then "fish" the antenna into the tree from the other side. 00:18:07 It's easier done than explained. :) 00:18:29 Anyway, I should probably get to bed myself. I have to meet with a customer tomorrow, and I need to get some sleep for it. 00:19:56 --- quit: kc5tja ("THX QSO ES 73 DE KC5TJA/6 CL ES QRT AR SK") 00:20:26 serg: small metal nuts then? 00:28:32 my old aunt suffers from hooligans who make noise in the street at night 00:28:56 i think of arming her w/ a slingshot to quiet them 00:29:06 but i'm in doubt about bullets 00:29:17 metal or stones - too cruel 00:29:28 paintball - too soft to hold 00:31:01 XeF4: whadda u advice ? 00:31:46 Serg: don't know.. for dogs I would use metal or stones, but men are a bit trickier 00:33:08 wood? 00:34:23 paintball is good at hit, but bad at shot - easy to squish 00:35:10 so make some sort of paintball holder in the slingshot? 00:35:41 paintball gun is too expensive, and i don't wanna make my own spring rifle 4 it 00:36:00 eg. a small cup where you can hold the paintball in gently and put all the pulling/holding force on a small cup? 00:36:46 it will roll out, she'll aim downwards from very high 3 floor, = normal 5 00:36:49 paintballs are very good for ruining clothes without actually hurting though =) 00:38:27 hm, what about ice chunks? 00:39:36 hmm.. everything what is soft is very light and so loses speed in air 00:39:59 maybe, clay ? 00:40:17 it remains itself even squished, unlike paintball 00:41:16 clay would be good 00:41:43 though it might hurt almost as much as a stone 00:43:18 we just need to invent a slingshot what does not squish the bullet 00:44:38 and the bullet what is annoying but not damaging really 00:44:40 * XeF4 must go now. 00:44:44 ok 00:44:47 bye 01:21:56 --- join: flyfly (~marekb@ip164.ktvprerov.cz) joined #forth 01:38:29 --- quit: fly_fly (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:44:10 --- quit: Serg_Penguin (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:50:00 --- quit: Robert (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 02:15:57 --- join: grox (~syd@dialup-72.175.220.203.acc01-geor-mor.comindico.com.au) joined #forth 02:16:16 --- part: grox left #forth 02:19:58 --- join: grox (~syd@dialup-72.175.220.203.acc01-geor-mor.comindico.com.au) joined #forth 02:25:33 http://forth.bespin.org seems broken ...? 02:32:08 --- part: grox left #forth 02:35:29 --- quit: a7r (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:48:11 that's what i get: 02:48:17 Proxy Error 02:48:17 The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server. 02:48:17 The proxy server could not handle the request GET /. 02:48:17 Reason: Could not connect to remote machine: Connection refused 02:50:33 --- join: Serg_Penguin (Serg_Pengu@212.34.52.140) joined #forth 02:56:09 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 03:19:22 some1 knows a forth thing called 'fifth'? 04:22:06 --- join: Serg_Penguin (Serg_Pengu@212.34.52.140) joined #forth 04:22:15 is there an online archive for the (euro)forml docs? 04:23:15 hi serg 04:23:22 hi 04:23:32 new here ? 04:24:08 not really ;-) but relatively.. 04:24:21 your forth xperience ? 04:24:29 mine - tiny gamez and utils 04:24:41 next to 0 04:25:40 Serg_Penguin: holonforth experience? 04:26:00 first hear 04:26:13 gp-forth, spf4 - both RU 04:26:26 isforth ( i440r 's) - linux 04:26:33 or hsforth? 04:26:40 gforth - very little 04:26:42 no! 04:26:57 aaww 04:27:15 quite some fine jazz ;-) 04:27:17 what is the maximum thing you wrote ? 04:28:18 "..does not require large amounts of code, but well thought code.." ;-) 04:28:32 yeah ! 04:28:56 after that articles, i wrote a game all in one-line words 04:28:58 ;)) 04:29:09 and since that time, it's my style 04:29:23 but really, i'm an absolute beginner :-) 04:29:33 --- join: crc (~crc@AC82D16A.ipt.aol.com) joined #forth 04:30:07 hi crc 04:31:15 Hi RO| 04:38:26 looked at qwerty cf yet? 04:39:25 RO| : are u abs beginner in computers at all ? or only in Forth ? 04:39:33 A little. I havn't had a lot of time to work with it yet. 04:57:15 re 05:00:38 --- quit: onetom (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 05:00:38 --- quit: skylan (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 05:00:38 --- quit: ianni (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 05:01:30 Serg_Penguin: well, i like to see me as a beginner in computing/ic's 05:01:52 every new day.. ;-) 05:02:27 --- join: onetom (~root@cab.bio.u-szeged.hu) joined #forth 05:03:38 --- join: skylan (sjh@vickesh01-4814.tbaytel.net) joined #forth 05:03:38 --- join: ianni (ian@inpuj.net) joined #forth 05:05:38 good 05:05:52 i'm in computers many years, 05:06:08 but i'm always finding an area i'm beginner in 05:06:18 like backbone WAN's 05:06:36 or programming/configuring accounting system 05:09:30 do you do oop in forth? 05:11:13 crc: then you got it up running? 05:12:14 Yes, but I havn't had enough time to get a good feel for it yet 05:12:51 * Serg_Penguin dislikes OOP 05:13:27 it maybe good to glue up a crowdy, poorly thunk proj 05:13:52 but not for my sharp and rapid, solid little proggies 05:15:07 OOP works for some languages (like Java), but is not good for Forth (or most programs) 05:16:34 crc: tried foops etc. yet? 05:16:51 Not yet. 05:17:10 what makes you so sure? 05:17:36 Experience. 05:18:00 you both know bigforth minos? 05:18:32 I do. 05:19:00 now, there oop principles used to some degree, y/n? 05:19:15 Yes 05:19:59 The principles are good, but it's difficult to add OOP to languages that weren't designed for it. 05:20:24 holonforth is another *good* example 05:21:12 looked at both just a few glances yet, though 05:22:30 why i asked, i don't know of an httpbrowser written in forth... 05:22:51 i mean an advanced 05:23:22 iTV corp was supposed to have one in their 4OS product, but that's long gone :( 05:23:58 did they finish the browser? 05:25:42 ro| have you actually used minos? it's the most unstable gui I have ever used, bar none. 05:26:43 holonforth doesn't actually appear to be OOP 05:27:07 XeF4: yes, true 05:27:50 --- join: RO|_ (~RO|@pD9545097.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 05:28:12 Not sure if 4OS was ever completed 05:28:32 XeF4: probably done only that it was done once.. 05:28:34 crc: not directly, yes 05:29:33 --- join: tcn (~tcn@tc2-login40.megatrondata.com) joined #forth 05:29:46 --- join: Robert (~snofs@h126n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #forth 05:29:49 must ask fox about 4os 05:31:10 4os was very powerful and achieved near omnipotence in 4k 21-bit words, but money and whatnot conspired and it never got released and you can't see it either <-- fox simulator 05:31:47 --- quit: RO| (Killed (NickServ (ghosted: RO|_!~RO|@pD9545097.dip.t-dialin.net))) 05:32:18 --- nick: RO|_ -> RO| 05:33:53 hi Robert 06:22:47 --- quit: tcn ("TinyIRC 1.1") 06:37:12 Hi Serg_Penguin :) 06:42:53 hi 06:43:10 i'm now hooked on an idea to build something in real life ;) 06:43:42 like radio reciever or toy engine or a mega slingshot ;) 06:44:29 or even spring airgun for 32 gauge or paintball pellets 06:45:08 Heh. 06:51:27 imagine my old aunt w/ such panzer-buster 06:51:32 ;) 06:52:25 --- join: TreyB (~trey@cpe-66-87-192-27.tx.sprintbbd.net) joined #forth 07:04:54 --- join: draq (ident@203-219-179-14-nsw.tpgi.com.au) joined #forth 07:32:49 --- quit: crc ("I was using TinyIRC! Visit http://www.tinyirc.net/ for more information.") 08:18:43 --- part: Serg_Penguin left #forth 08:32:17 --- join: Serg_Penguin (Serg_Pengu@212.34.52.140) joined #forth 08:51:17 --- quit: draq (Remote closed the connection) 08:58:53 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 09:37:27 --- join: wossname (wossname@HSE-QuebecCity-ppp80608.qc.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 09:43:37 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@h0030657bb518.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 09:43:38 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@ip68-8-206-137.sd.sd.cox.net) joined #forth 09:43:38 --- mode: ChanServ set +o kc5tja 09:54:35 --- nick: kc5tja -> kc-shower 09:55:10 Bye, katja. 09:57:54 --- quit: flyfly ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.2.4") 10:15:20 --- quit: wossname ("flippersnitz") 10:16:20 --- join: flyfly (~marekb@ip164.ktvprerov.cz) joined #forth 10:21:58 --- nick: kc-shower -> kc5tja 10:22:17 Back 10:37:05 --- join: tcn (~tcn@tc1-login36.megatrondata.com) joined #forth 10:44:38 --- quit: tcn ("TinyIRC 1.1") 10:57:28 --- join: a7r (~a7r@206.72.82.135) joined #forth 10:57:51 re a7r 10:57:57 sup k 10:58:00 er kc5tja 10:58:47 I just tried to explain the concept of blocks to a friend of mine, and he is thoroughly confused by it. 11:00:03 rad. 11:00:39 Just has *no concept* of touching the storage hardware directly. 11:01:05 god.. Larry Wall is the anti-christ. 11:01:47 Yes. 11:01:59 This is why I abandoned Perl four years ago, and never looked back. 11:04:56 heh 11:05:32 Actually, earlier now. I forgot it's 2003. That'd be seven years. 11:05:52 You'll have to go back soon. Perl6 will use stack machine for the underlying implementation. They already have a forth for it :-) 11:06:08 Why will I *have* to go back? 11:06:18 Python has been using a stack VM since its inception. 11:06:41 * TreyB points out the :-) at the end of his message. 11:06:59 Perl is a steaming pile of detritus that makes C look like a godsend language to functional programmers. 11:07:31 And Larry has absolutely ZERO CLUE about how to write good, easily maintainable software, and it shows in the structure of his language. 11:07:50 Case in point? autoconf and automake -- need I say more about those two little Wall-isms? 11:08:30 Wall didn't invent either one of those. 11:09:14 He's currently the maintainer of them. Or was, at least. 11:09:50 I find that hard to believe. I'll have to check it out. 11:10:04 Please do 11:18:44 Looking through CVS for the autoconf and automake sources, I failed to find any mention of Larry Wall. 11:19:35 He *did* used to maintain an autoconf-like script specifically for Perl, though. 11:20:21 metaconfig 11:22:29 Hmm...then my O'Reilly book on Perl has it wrong then. 11:22:50 But, no matter. 11:23:05 The case is pretty clear: Larry hasn't a clue how to design software. 11:23:29 He's an egomaniacial moron to boot. Just listen to him talk about Python some day. 11:23:44 Perhaps, but more people use his toys than yours. That counts for something. 11:24:37 No, it doesn't. 11:24:46 More people use Windows than any other OS in the world. 11:24:55 That counts for something. 11:25:08 It does. You don't have to like it, but it does count. 11:25:15 I don't happen to like it either :-) 11:25:21 Perl became popular when the web took off, because it was the only scripting language up to the task at the time. Nobody has bothered to switch since. 11:26:17 --- quit: a7r (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:26:27 Lots of people have. Python and Ruby have quite the following. 11:26:40 embedded i486dx2 ultra low power? 11:26:56 RO| ? 11:27:16 Bandaid after bandaid after bandaid -- that's Perl. Perl6 just replaces the stack of bandaids with a fresh new gauze, but the wound still festers and deteriorates. 11:27:20 * RO| looking for the 80486 opcode specs 11:27:49 RO|: The 486dx2 ULP processor uses the same instruction set as the regular 486dx2, to the best of my knowledge. 11:27:55 Try intel's developer web site or one of the x86 assembly language sites. 11:28:07 * kc5tja thinks you can find 486 programmers books on the Intel website IIRC. 11:28:35 RO|: Is this for a Soekris box by any chance? I heard those were very nice machines. 11:28:39 --- join: ASau (~asau@158.250.48.196) joined #forth 11:28:50 at intel's atm, like a djungle somehow oO 11:28:54 Good evening! 11:29:01 howdy 11:29:10 ASau: Once again, you're 30 minutes too early. :D 11:30:25 kc, I live not in virtual space ;) 11:30:38 ASau: Nor I. :) 11:31:21 kc5tja: no. but they're interesting for me too. they consume only 10Wph ? 11:32:13 there's an old sun box which is quite similar 11:32:14 RO|: Something rediculously small like that. My Amiga draws 25W, but it also has more built-in peripherals too. 11:34:20 --- join: a7r (~a7r@206.72.82.135) joined #forth 11:35:54 kc5tja: thx for info. so there's really a new 486dx2 series out: embedded ulp 11:36:13 Neat. :) 11:36:22 I wasn't aware of that. 11:37:40 wait. i thought you were saying this? (was my q, for the right specs..) 11:38:14 No; I thought any low-power versions would be the same as the high-power versions. 11:38:29 I knew AMD had a low-power 486-class processor, but I didn't know Intel did. 11:38:40 ok. maybe not a new series, but parallel ulp embedded and 'standard' 11:39:55 found no specs for the old 486dx2, but quite fresh for 486dx2 ulp embedded. they seem to sell it atm 11:40:46 Interesting. 11:41:23 well, i got those old specs :-) somewhere deep in the archive.. :-( 11:42:38 Somewhere around here I have an old 80386SL programmer's reference manual. :) 11:42:49 Oh well. 11:43:04 * kc5tja should probably get some food. I'm getting somewhat on the light-headed side. 11:43:41 http://developer.intel.com/design/intarch/intel486/docs_486.htm 11:44:47 opc is definitely not identical, they advanced power mgmt etc 11:53:28 TreyB: thx, good idea. what i don't find in 30min on intel's site, is found anywhere else in 1min.. 12:14:42 Back 12:17:09 Hi 12:17:39 Privet! 12:21:15 Hi ASau 12:34:08 RO|: what's Wph? 12:34:49 W/hr. 12:34:56 W being what? 12:35:03 Watt 12:35:15 watt is a speed saying watts/hour doesn't make sense 12:35:27 that's like asying miles per hour per hour 12:35:31 Sorry, W&hr 12:35:34 * 12:36:23 Maybe I'm wrong. Give context. 12:36:54 a 60 watt light buld continuously draws 60 wats of electricity 12:37:32 a watt isn't a quantity of electricity, it's a rate 12:37:42 I mean, where have you found "Wph"? 12:39:20 Herkamire: right. electricity companies measure watt hours.. 12:40:23 wph == oopsie 12:40:26 ASau: RO| said it about an hour ago :) 12:40:30 It's pretty well unit for energy: Watt hour 12:40:45 a watt hour is an amount of electricity 12:41:06 Or kilo-Watt hour 12:41:34 It's not amount of electricity. 12:41:42 It's amount of energy. 12:41:51 a watt hour is an amount of electricity 12:42:18 W = J/sec -> W*hr = 60 J 12:42:31 3600 J 12:42:49 or 3,6 kJ 12:45:16 hmm I guess people do translate watts to other things. 12:45:41 You may translate them to HPs 12:46:02 your logic above is *&#^4 12:46:20 Hourse powers 12:46:28 or HP. 12:46:30 60 secconds != 1 hour 12:46:52 I've corrected: 3600 J 12:47:36 ok, so a watt hour is 3.6KJ, and a watt is 1 J/seccond 12:47:49 Yes. 12:48:25 But it seems "kilo-" is "k" not "K". 12:48:41 I.e. "kJ" 12:49:14 watts are usually used as a measurement for electricity. it's a really bad measurement to use for light bulbs and stuff. people don't thing "gee, I wish I had a light bulb that would suck down ____ watts of electricity" people are interested in a light bulb that is a certain brightness 12:49:51 what's K? is it incorrect to say 350KB of memory? 12:50:08 The more it consume the more bright it is. 12:50:27 no. 12:50:32 Yeah, but all of the light sockets say "Use only 60W or lower bulb" 12:50:33 Programmer think that 1 Kunit is 1024 units. 12:50:47 florescent lightbulbs consume 1/3 to 1/4 the watts for the same brightness 12:50:59 most of the watts in stardard light bulbs goes into heat 12:51:17 Mostly because the socket can't handle the heat generated brighter incandecent bulbs. 12:51:17 so 12:51:19 They probably can't conduct too much. 12:51:35 ...by brighter... 12:51:37 TreyB: right. it's more to do with the heat than the amps generally 12:51:46 They can't conduct high currencies. 12:51:58 the problem with selling lightbulbs by the watt is that it descourages companies from making effecient lightbulbs. 12:52:31 so k is 1000 and K is 1024? 12:53:11 Watt is used also to measure brightness, it's energy emitted by bulb per second. 12:53:25 ASau: yes, but most of that energy is emitted as heat 12:53:27 I don't know how it's called correct in English. 12:53:50 watt is NOT used to measure how much light comes out of the ligth bulb 12:54:23 Some amount of energy is emitted as light, and bulbs are rather standard: wolfram thread inside. 12:54:41 10% maybe is light? I don't know 12:54:44 not much though. 12:55:41 I can't recall, but it's a task in school physics course. 12:55:56 I don't think it's more than 1% 12:56:18 I was guessing much less that 10% but I don't know. 12:56:59 Anyway bulbs are rather standard. 12:57:01 iirc 16watt energy saver equals 60 watt normal. sec 12:57:21 compact florescents take 25%-35% the electricity of a standard bulb. and I know leds blow compact florescents away as far as efficiency. 12:57:24 So you can measure brightness of bulb in watts. 12:57:48 ASau: only with stagnent technology 12:58:23 Semicoonductors are rather weak in their light emitting. 12:58:35 companies can't keep releasing more and more efficient light bulbs because they will look on the package like they are getting dimmer and dimmer. 12:58:36 Halogene lamps are better. 12:59:58 20watt 13:00:02 I know that where it should be used too many bulbs, there halogene or fluorescent lamps are used. 13:00:32 mostly fluorescent. 13:00:32 brightness lumen 13:03:24 I am to go. 13:03:29 Bye! 13:03:51 --- quit: ASau ("Toffee IRC client for DOS v1.0/b535") 13:17:07 --- join: mur (murr@baana-62-165-189-64.phnet.fi) joined #forth 13:23:51 back again. Sorry. Phone call. 13:57:03 --- nick: kc5tja -> kc-biz 14:13:02 note: The linked documents can not be downloaded from the public version of this site. 14:13:10 sandpile 14:13:38 eg. 14:13:56 http://www.sandpile.org/docs/intel/80486.htm 14:14:49 if any1 knows how to dl them, or got some of those... 14:15:34 ...that would be *very* helpful :-) thx! 14:16:37 Search the intel web site for the #####.pdf files the links point to. 14:17:03 no results 14:17:29 also google, metabear, etc 14:19:02 except for the new embedded ulp docs, which i don't really need.. 14:20:36 any pointers appreciated, thx! 14:24:05 http://developer.intel.com/design/intarch/intel486/docs_486.htm#Manuals 14:41:40 yes, that are all docs 'bout the embedded ulp 486 chips sold today, mine is 10 years old.. :( 14:42:54 somewhat similar, somewhat different.. 14:46:14 I think your best bet is to give up on the '287 and work with something 14:46:15 you can find documentation for. Life is like that sometimes. 14:46:33 from sandpile.org 14:47:31 sounds like intel philosophy evangelization.. 14:51:02 time for a clean philosophy forth cpu 15:09:30 --- quit: Robert (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 15:09:30 --- quit: ianni (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 15:09:30 --- quit: skylan (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 15:09:48 --- join: Robert (~snofs@h126n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #forth 15:09:48 --- join: skylan (sjh@vickesh01-4814.tbaytel.net) joined #forth 15:09:48 --- join: ianni (ian@inpuj.net) joined #forth 15:17:23 --- join: wossname (wossname@HSE-QuebecCity-ppp81500.qc.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 15:34:54 --- join: CrowKilr (CrowKilr@Ottawa-HSE-ppp3654431.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 15:35:05 hi 15:35:11 Hi CrowKilr 15:41:08 --- join: junk (~junk@njd.paradise.net.nz) joined #forth 15:47:23 --- quit: junk ("[BX] Been around the world and found that only stupid people are breeding.") 16:02:29 --- join: tathi (~josh@pcp02123722pcs.milfrd01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 16:17:17 is mov lea mov lea faster than movsd on x86? 16:17:36 maybe a dumb question, my main doubt is about amds 16:19:43 anyway, I will get a brand new toy running for you guys in a near future 16:20:29 A new Forth bot? :) 16:22:06 hey 16:22:06 16:22:09 16:22:14 16:22:19 16:22:24 16:22:26 er.. 16:23:59 by driving a parallel port connected to pots and electrodes touching your inner mouth wall, you could actually use this for Cranial ElectroStimulation 16:24:27 for me to get a buzz out of it it takes long time but whou thats mind expanding 16:24:32 i got one only once 16:24:45 its been enough, reaallly spacey 16:29:27 yoh 16:29:57 --- quit: wossname ("FREEDOM! FOR ITS OWN SAKE!!~#$!@% roflazoz") 16:32:07 the trick is to get pulse going one side then the other, to lessen the "electrolysis" effect ;p 16:39:51 on a more fortish matter: is it wishable to implement in ";" the following optimization: call1 call2 ret -> call1 jump2 -> push2 jmp1 ??? (i mean is it worth for the 3rd one) 16:42:34 my ; with this optimization takes 41 bytes 16:43:11 with the second level optimization it takes only 15 17:02:19 Treyb: I looked at Holon and the group feature striked me, why does he would want groups, are they useful 17:02:37 i found the usefulness 17:04:32 --- join: superdupr (CrowKilr@Ottawa-HSE-ppp3654431.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 17:04:32 --- quit: CrowKilr (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:04:50 * superdupr dont know what happenned 17:14:11 --- nick: superdupr -> CrowKilr 17:15:15 thought about a processor with a programmable instruction fetch unit, like with a direction flag to inc or dec on next instruction fetch, provided hteyre all the same length and special handling for lit values 17:16:30 with "jump and use the {zero, carry} flag as a direction flag" 17:17:41 was it already done? 17:17:55 already thought?? ;p 17:26:31 --- quit: CrowKilr ("brb") 17:38:33 --- quit: mur ("MURR! save the http://rainforest.care2.com/ (click url there)") 17:52:30 --- nick: kc-biz -> kc5tja 17:53:08 Back 17:54:35 * kc5tja is pretty happy -- although I couldn't sell my services as a cable puller, I think I have a web development contract and hardware maintenance contract with my first client coming up. 17:54:42 Things are looking quite positive. :) 18:10:54 congrats, kc5tja 18:11:11 is it just you? 18:20:25 Just me as in? 18:20:41 (sorry -- making phone calls. :)) 18:28:27 in the company 18:28:52 Yes, it's just me. 18:28:57 --- quit: a7r (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 19:03:25 --- quit: Fractal (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 19:22:01 --- join: a7r (~a7r@206.72.82.135) joined #forth 19:29:36 OK, this sucks. I have to configure a POP-to-local-mailbox daemon on my box to be able to check my mail. >:/ 19:29:56 I think it's time to write a custom mail client . . . I've clearly outgrown mutt. 19:31:17 Ahhh....thank goodness POP is so damn easy to use. :D 19:31:27 When in doubt, check your mail via telnet. >:D 19:32:43 --- join: I440r (~x@dialup-67.29.205.110.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) joined #forth 19:32:55 re I440r :) 19:33:01 hi! 19:33:03 I440r: Check it out. http://www.falvotech.com 19:33:21 k 19:33:50 cool! 19:33:54 can i have a job ??? :) heh 19:34:04 got any business yet ? 19:35:58 Not yet, and maybe, in that order. 19:36:16 heh 19:36:25 A fellow and I are currently negotiating a website development contract and hardware maintenance contract for a 25-node LAN. 19:36:34 well i wasnt holding my breath on the job. but seriously dood, good luck getting business! 19:36:42 cool! 19:37:04 Thanks. 19:37:11 I have a couple of advertising runs coming up too. 19:37:45 I need verbiage for an August 15th deadline for a postcard ad run, and then I need to submit verbiage for our apartment complex' newsletter, where they offer free advertising. :) 19:38:07 cool. ive been working on my 8051 forth. got it mostly working and tested too. cant say fully working till its fully tested :) 19:38:15 ive also written an 8051 assembler for it!!!! 19:38:36 ill release both when its all releasable. free for non commercial use 19:38:40 * kc5tja has commenced FS/Forth for LInux 19:38:50 cool! 19:40:45 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 19:40:52 Currently using gforth for the target compiler environment. 19:40:59 Had to re-write VIBE because I'd lost the original sources for it. 19:41:03 That was a nuisance. 19:41:13 vibe ? 19:41:21 Not that VIBE is hard to write or anything, but I *know* I have the original sources lying around -- I just can't find them. 19:41:24 VI-like Block Editor. 19:41:34 oh 19:41:36 yukk heh 19:41:52 Blocks rock. Just 'cuz you aren't used to them.... 19:42:37 Also wrote a wrapper for ANSI Forth's "MARKER" word which makes implementing overlays somewhat easier. 19:42:50 MARK, EMPTY, and UNMARK 19:42:51 in a situation where files arent possible blocks are the ONLY choice 19:43:06 In a situation where files are possible, blocks are highly desirable. 19:45:34 Right now, I'm actually strongly considering writing my own mail client in Forth -- I tried configuring mutt (my ideal mail client) for accessing a POP mailbox, and it just doesn't work, which is a right pity. It refuses to actually check the mail. 19:45:45 So I'm just going to do it myself. 19:46:11 It's a sad day when checking your mail becomes easier by direct telnet than by using a dedicated client. 19:46:29 most of those apps are a bitch to get working the way you want them to work 19:47:14 * kc5tja nods 19:47:40 * kc5tja has to figure out how to handle displaying the mail data in Forth though. 19:47:55 I'm probably just going to stuff it in a file and invoke $EDITOR on it. 19:48:02 (which for me is vim) 19:48:19 thats my plan for isforth 19:48:32 that way you get to use ANY evil editor you want :) 19:48:41 Hence, it is my imperative to get FS/Forth done as soon as possible. 19:48:57 FS/Forth is going to be of immense value for my business. 19:49:06 I intend on writing a lot of tools to help me achieve my goals. 19:49:56 me too heh 19:50:00 but isforth is on hold 19:51:34 :/ 19:51:37 well i gotta go, just wanted to check in here :) 19:51:48 isforth isnt abandoned, but right now my ONLY priority is $$$ 19:51:51 :) 19:51:53 l8er! 19:51:59 --- quit: I440r () 20:06:25 Oh well, back to the coding board. :) 20:47:16 kc5tja: I have a cron script that grabs my e-mail and sticks it in a maildir. I use mutt for viewing/composing e-mail. 20:47:29 Hmm 20:47:37 works beautifully. here's the url for the getmail script: http://www.qcc.ca/~charlesc/software/getmail-3.0/ 20:48:09 you might like it; it's python :) 20:48:13 hmm...cool. That'll make things easier for me, I think. 20:48:33 If I don't want to wait up to five minutes for my mail ty arive, I just type "getmail" on the cmd line. 20:48:43 * kc5tja nods 20:48:55 it has a nice little config file etc 20:49:09 but still simple 20:51:43 I found getmail at work when I needed to transfer some customer e-mail boxes off our old Mac (shudder) server and into our new qmail setup. 20:55:46 * kc5tja still intends on writing a custom mail client in Forth at some point, but this definitely delays the need for it. 20:55:50 * kc5tja is configuring it now. 20:56:25 once you have networking and a text editor, a mail client would be fun 20:57:20 if you have a vi-like editor, you won't need a seperate pager program. 20:57:21 I have a block editor. :) 20:57:58 could you use VIBE? 20:58:08 page down would go to the next block of the e-mail or something? 20:58:38 I use [ and ] for navigation between blocks. 20:58:44 But blocks isn't suitable for e-mail, I think. 20:58:51 would that be annoying as an e-mail viewer? 20:58:53