00:00:00 --- log: started forth/03.06.28 00:12:11 --- join: a7r_ (~a7r@206.72.82.135) joined #forth 00:13:17 --- quit: a7r_ (Client Quit) 00:13:18 --- join: a7r_ (~a7r@206.72.82.135) joined #forth 00:14:10 --- quit: a7r_ (Client Quit) 00:14:14 --- join: a7r_ (~a7r@206.72.82.135) joined #forth 01:13:42 --- join: anli (abc123@c-f2b470d5.018-16-67766c2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 01:52:18 --- quit: rk ("Client Exiting") 02:51:44 --- join: rk (~rk@ca-cmrilo-docsis-cmtse-84.vnnyca.adelphia.net) joined #forth 02:53:12 --- quit: TreyB (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03:15:31 Is there a list of all words in forth somewhere? 03:31:19 anli: what 4th? 03:31:34 all common ones? 03:31:46 anli: there is an ANS 4th draft document somewhere on the net 03:31:53 it has a glossary 03:32:00 I have a strange implementation called giga forth, it doesnt seem to understand the "see" keyword or the "words" keyword, unfortunately 03:32:11 aham 03:32:12 onetom: oh, ok, I have that doc somewhere 03:32:20 vlist (vocabulary list) 03:32:31 I try that then! thanks 03:32:44 btw, how do I push a floating point number to the fpoint stack? 03:36:02 ah, vlist gave me a huge file, how do I pipe the output to a file? 03:36:55 who knows :) 03:37:09 probably nobody knows G4th 03:37:48 & u can push floats by writing an e at the end of the number 03:38:08 usually, but it also depends on the actual implementation 03:39:29 ok :) 03:39:45 How can pushing floats be implementation dependent? :) 03:41:50 its the heart of forth being nonstandard 03:42:45 everything is realized in a specific implementation is on the behalf of its implementor 03:43:27 the keyword is refactoring! 03:43:30 * Robert yawns. 03:43:33 Morrn :) 03:43:36 h 03:43:37 i 03:43:43 Morning onetom 03:44:36 u dont have 2 accept anything as is, but u should change even the most lowlevel word 2 suit your needs, instead of writing workarounds 03:44:58 let take this float example 03:45:40 a float string 2 number converter is about 100 lines 03:46:27 why should some1 prescribe the exact algorithm of it? 03:48:10 what if u r processing floats mainly. lot of floats. coming from the output of an other program what doesnt append an exponent 2 the numbers. how do u process them? 03:49:18 isnt it easier 2 modify the number conversion routine of your 4th kernel, than writing your own? 03:49:40 --- quit: a7r_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05:22:42 --- join: tathi (~josh@pcp02123722pcs.milfrd01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 05:39:14 --- join: mur (jukka@baana-62-165-188-34.phnet.fi) joined #forth 05:40:52 Hi mur 05:44:46 --- join: deluxe (~deluxe@pD954539A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 05:48:27 BONjour! 05:50:10 Hi :) 05:52:42 :/ 05:53:10 mur: say what? ;-) 05:58:12 sad 06:04:23 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 06:37:14 --- quit: Robert (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06:37:18 --- join: Robert (~snofs@h138n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #forth 07:23:44 --- join: Robert_ (~snofs@h138n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #forth 07:24:52 --- quit: Robert (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07:32:19 --- join: Robert (~snofs@h138n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #forth 07:32:48 --- quit: Robert_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07:33:08 re 07:33:21 mur: sad is what? 07:34:22 mure is 07:34:49 oh come on, why? 07:35:15 not anymore 08:37:38 --- join: deluxe_ (~deluxe@pD954539A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 08:37:39 --- quit: deluxe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09:03:50 How do I pipe output from vlist to a file? 10:10:07 anli: u cant, unless u call it from a shell 10:11:03 tom:~# gforth -e 'words bye' | tr \ \\n | grep loop 10:11:03 c-loop-lp+!# 10:11:03 c-loop 10:11:04 loop-like 10:11:04 read-loop 10:11:06 unloop 10:11:08 ... 10:11:11 like this 10:13:13 --- join: rk_ (~rk@ca-cmrilo-docsis-cmtse-84.vnnyca.adelphia.net) joined #forth 10:13:13 --- quit: rk (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:00:36 --- join: deluxe__ (~deluxe@pD9EE1264.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 11:09:22 --- join: ASau (~asau@158.250.48.196) joined #forth 11:09:37 Good evening! 11:09:45 privet 11:09:53 Privet! 11:09:55 aleksei? 11:10:20 alexeijevich 11:10:20 ? 11:10:25 just guessing :) 11:10:35 what's your first name? 11:10:48 Aleksej ;) 11:11:15 Hi Alex 11:11:40 * mur was correct :) 11:11:44 Why not Justas? ;) 11:12:47 mur is 1st class guesser, it seems. 11:13:50 Just an interesting problem for today. 11:14:34 I have FPU, i.e. a separate real machine f.p.n. stack. 11:15:24 No f.p. support in my kernel. 11:16:29 What do you think about quick and simple f.p. support using that x87 FPU? 11:17:13 You mean using the FPU stack instead of a stack in RAM? 11:17:15 --- quit: rk_ ("Client Exiting") 11:17:25 Of course. 11:17:57 --- quit: deluxe__ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 11:17:57 I've thought about it, but never bothered to implement :) 11:17:58 If I use FPU stack, all I need is to communicate FPU, not rewriting math. 11:18:32 The main problem is how to communicate. 11:20:18 There are these sides: 11:21:43 1) small number of words to move FPNs between RAM and FPU; 11:21:52 2) speed. 11:22:42 Another thing is fast compiling raw machine code to control FPU. 11:22:59 --- quit: deluxe_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:23:07 Because FPU is stack oriented. 11:23:44 Not only fast, it is easy. 12:02:55 --- quit: ASau ("Toffee IRC client for DOS v1.0/b535") 12:14:43 --- join: a7r (~a7r@206.72.82.135) joined #forth 12:16:19 --- join: TreyB (~trey@cpe-66-87-192-27.tx.sprintbbd.net) joined #forth 12:16:25 afternoon 12:17:11 Hi 12:17:30 Hey Robert 12:22:27 --- join: deluxe (~deluxe@pD9545548.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 12:32:06 --- join: deluxe_ (~deluxe@pD9EE1F87.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 12:35:02 --- join: Robert_ (~snofs@h138n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #forth 12:38:13 --- quit: Robert (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:40:24 --- quit: Robert_ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:40:27 --- join: Robert (~snofs@h138n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #forth 12:50:19 --- quit: deluxe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:09:15 --- join: nyef (~nyef@h000625ecd142.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 13:20:05 --- join: deluxe__ (~deluxe@pD9E59774.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 13:20:36 --- nick: deluxe__ -> deluxe 13:31:22 --- join: rk (~rk@ca-cmrilo-docsis-cmtse-84.vnnyca.adelphia.net) joined #forth 13:37:50 --- quit: deluxe_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:39:54 --- quit: deluxe (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 13:42:56 --- quit: nyef (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:09:50 --- quit: rk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:16:39 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@207.111.96.144) joined #forth 14:16:39 --- mode: ChanServ set +o TheBlueWizard 14:16:44 hiya all 14:18:11 Hi 14:18:17 hiya Robert 14:18:53 hello Robert 14:18:56 terve twb 14:19:07 terve mur :) 14:23:40 --- quit: a7r (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:49:24 --- join: nyef (~nyef@h000625ecd142.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 15:50:44 --- quit: mur (""Greed has shitty end" --finnish proverb") 15:51:05 --- part: nyef left #forth 16:06:55 --- join: jdamisch (jdamisch@207.191.240.77) joined #forth 16:07:09 hi 16:10:26 --- quit: jdamisch (Client Quit) 16:57:42 gotta go...bye all! 16:57:51 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 17:21:35 --- quit: jdrake ("beißen Sie mich stark") 17:29:27 --- quit: anli () 17:38:22 --- join: jdrake (jdrake@CPE00045afdd0e8-CM014410113717.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 18:44:28 --- join: skylan (sjh@vickesh01-4807.tbaytel.net) joined #forth 18:55:49 --- quit: Robert (Remote closed the connection) 18:57:41 --- join: Robert (~snofs@h138n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #forth 19:42:51 --- join: nyef (~nyef@h000625ecd142.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 19:45:25 --- part: nyef left #forth 19:54:10 --- join: a7r_ (~a7r@206.72.82.135) joined #forth 21:06:46 --- join: thin (~thin@stu01110.cariboo.bc.ca) joined #forth 21:19:21 --- quit: skylan ("[BX] Terminated.") 21:23:43 --- quit: Robert ("I'll be right back.. 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