00:00:00 --- log: started forth/03.06.26 00:01:32 the birds are singing again :-) 00:02:21 birds already stopped singing here 00:02:24 good morning 00:16:59 --- join: abc123 (abc123@c-f8b470d5.018-16-67766c2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 00:17:01 --- nick: abc123 -> anli 00:47:24 XeF4: here? 00:47:32 howdy anli 00:47:44 hodwy! 00:51:02 XeF4: wanted to say: i'm curious, are you from turku? (i've found an amazing jazzfusion radiostream from turku, maybe you know them?) 00:51:19 deluxe: unfortunately I don't 00:51:30 aww ;-) 00:51:33 url? 00:52:08 it's called snakeradio on shoutcast 00:53:34 hmz, the name rings a (very) vague bell 00:53:58 what do you mean? 00:55:11 I mean I think I've heard the name at some time or another, but that's about all I know of it 00:55:58 snakeradio or shoutcast? 00:56:33 snakeradio 00:57:42 oh :-) 00:58:18 they might be related to the valetone studio 01:02:07 unfortunately that studio itself does not produce *that* quality of music, maybe the streamed music is their goal 01:43:33 --- part: a7r left #forth 01:52:34 --- join: Calm (~Calm@24.66.121.31) joined #forth 02:05:04 --- quit: Calm () 03:00:32 --- quit: deluxe ("brb") 04:06:08 --- join: Serg_Penguin (Serg_Pengu@212.34.52.140) joined #forth 04:06:15 --- quit: Serg_Penguin (Client Quit) 04:30:34 --- quit: Fractal (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04:30:53 --- join: Fractal (onkvefk@i.either.got.mad.cow.from.alberta.beef.or.strongLSD.com) joined #forth 04:30:56 --- quit: Fractal (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04:31:18 --- join: Fractal (onkvefk@i.either.got.mad.cow.from.alberta.beef.or.strongLSD.com) joined #forth 04:47:31 --- join: crc (~crc@AC816A2F.ipt.aol.com) joined #forth 05:11:32 --- join: Serg_Penguin (Serg_Pengu@212.34.52.140) joined #forth 05:11:50 --- quit: Serg_Penguin (Client Quit) 05:34:40 --- join: Serg_Penguin (Serg_Pengu@212.34.52.140) joined #forth 05:35:02 --- quit: Serg_Penguin (Client Quit) 05:37:20 --- quit: crc ("I was using TinyIRC! 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08:10:15 helsinki 08:10:17 :) 08:18:12 * rk is away: gotta go to the DMV --- Getting my permit 08:35:51 i hate noisy bikes 08:35:58 woops 08:36:04 rk, good luck :P 08:36:42 ;) 09:43:32 * rk is back (gone 01:25:18) 09:43:57 i passed :P 09:46:22 congrats 09:46:49 just go easy on the transmission and turning. will save you money 09:47:18 i learned that the hard way.. never taught you in drivers ed that you should drive a car how it expects to be driven or else it starts to fall apart 09:47:29 :P 09:52:50 :P 09:53:00 * rk realizes he's never driven an automatic 10:05:18 ianni: didn't the owner of the car you learned on tell you that when he felt you pushing it too hard? 10:06:11 rk: you're not missing anything ;) 10:18:45 --- quit: rk (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:29:56 --- join: rk (~rk@ca-cmrilo-docsis-cmtse-84.vnnyca.adelphia.net) joined #forth 10:30:52 is it possible to kill a stick while driving on the freeway? 10:48:40 --- join: crash (~Ben@apx1-05-32.pdx.du.teleport.com) joined #forth 10:48:56 --- part: crash left #forth 11:01:04 rk: always possible :P 11:01:13 :P 11:01:23 XeF4: yes, my parents told me that 11:01:33 but it didnt sink in until it started costing me money. 11:01:47 then i was like, oh, they're not just saying that so i'll be safer. 11:01:50 :P 11:06:40 --- quit: deluxe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12:14:14 --- quit: rk ("Client Exiting") 12:35:30 --- quit: Robert (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:47:26 --- join: Robert (~snofs@h138n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #forth 13:02:03 --- join: tathi_ (~josh@pcp02123722pcs.milfrd01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 13:19:02 --- quit: tathi (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:00:22 --- quit: tathi_ ("leaving") 14:01:20 --- quit: anli (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:04:52 --- quit: TreyB () 14:15:15 --- quit: Herkamire ("leaving") 14:36:19 --- join: rk (~rk@ca-cmrilo-docsis-cmtse-84.vnnyca.adelphia.net) joined #forth 14:42:16 --- join: TreyB (~trey@cpe-66-87-192-27.tx.sprintbbd.net) joined #forth 15:00:14 --- quit: fridge ("http://lice.codehack.com") 15:36:30 --- quit: mur ("zzzzz") 16:25:15 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@ip68-8-206-137.sd.sd.cox.net) joined #forth 16:25:24 --- mode: ChanServ set +o kc5tja 16:54:30 --- join: CrowKilr (CrowKilr@HSE-Windsor-ppp251711.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 16:56:59 Wow....long time no see. :) 16:57:02 re CrowKilr 16:57:18 that's what ive been thinking too, thanks for welcoming 16:57:52 * CrowKilr definitly can't get rif of his Forth madness 16:58:26 the chan's website is... potent ;p 16:58:51 I don't think it is. I think it's a tad bit sparse of information. 16:59:16 I can't maintain it myself though. The scope of the site is just too big. 16:59:22 * CrowKilr cant agree more 17:00:34 I work now in an electronic shop, and I came to the conclusion that their invoice software sucks, so i talked about rewriting it 17:00:55 I thought about doing it in assembly, but the forth madness got me again ;p 17:01:07 Heh 17:01:30 FS/Forth for DOS is so very near completion. I need to implement some more compiler primitives, and then some means of recycling the dictionary. 17:01:45 Then I need to write its block source editor, and I think I'll declare it finished. 17:01:52 Now there's a problem, I can't get my bootable cd iso image to go to pmode under vmware 17:02:09 I need to write a color block editor for my little aha like thing i posted everywhere 17:02:19 * kc5tja nods 17:02:39 The FS/Forth for DOS is a dead-end project though. It's at best a prototype for things to come. Definitely a great learning experience though. 17:02:55 I do intend on creating FS/Forth for Linux, which is based heavily on MachineForth concepts. 17:03:13 at least you finished your project, I'm still in design-prototype phase 17:03:21 The MachineForth I'll be using is designed for the x86 platform, though, not x21. 17:03:21 yeah i came across TinyCC 17:03:28 small C compiler 17:03:42 i would be interested in hearing about your primitives 17:04:20 X18 primitives are great, but now that chuck's is designing another chip, who care about those ;p 17:04:50 Well, I have about 12 IF words. :) =IF >IF <>IF U=IF U>IF etc. 17:05:04 one per jxx? =D 17:05:08 * CrowKilr think chuck should consider Radiant energy from telsa to power his chips 17:05:10 You better care about them. The 25X uses the C18 instructions. 17:05:17 * kc5tja sighs 17:05:23 We've already gone through this. 17:06:01 ? 17:06:36 Tesla's ideas are hazardous to life and limb, and pollute the electromagnetic spectrum immensely. 17:07:10 Hi CrowKilr 17:07:12 k, just thought about how low power they were 17:07:15 hi robert 17:07:46 I found out something really cool: how to make alchemy using pyramid power 17:07:47 lol 17:08:38 Well, let's put things into perspective. Broadband over Power Lines, which uses mere watts of power, pollutes the HF spectrum for miles and miles and miles. 17:08:43 I got to try this, I have a 1/10th once gold coin, just need a good pyramid, i even bought flanagan's book and roamed the net all over for info 17:10:23 did you saw the radiant energy patent? I love the simplicity 17:10:52 I've seen nearly everything Tesla has done. 17:10:55 99% is hogwash. 17:11:03 The other 1% of it is pure genius. 17:11:12 And I came also god knows why across a patent to make a car run on compressed air, just replace the sparkplug get good timing (with the associated valves and you're set) 17:11:35 Radiant power is technically feasible, but is grossly irresponsible for all life on this planet. 17:11:58 * CrowKilr didn't get better typing habits while in the wild ;p 17:12:16 Compressed air vehicles are a good concept. I fully support their development. 17:12:25 kc5tja: never thought about this, maybe because that the pulses, if resonant with earth pose no problem 17:12:42 its a lot easier to convert a car to air than to water or other things 17:12:52 * kc5tja cries!!! 17:13:02 electrolysis okok ;p 17:13:12 Resonance will only INCREASE the power dissipation!! 17:13:34 And the Earth does **NOT** conduct electricity all that well. Only the surface soil does. 17:13:40 Oh, and the core. 17:14:00 But then you have miles and miles and miles of *rock* to act as a nice resistor between the core and life on the surface. 17:14:33 www.ormus.ws/~pyramid for the alchemical info and also http://www.geocities.com/undergsci/mstate/pyramidgold.html 17:14:35 The thought of *burning* all surface life with high voltage discharges just doesn't appeal to me any more than it would the common robin. 17:14:43 That stuff doesn't work. 17:14:58 I encourage you to find this out for yourself. 17:15:12 kc5tja: earth is hollow ;o) 17:15:20 Oh, right. 17:15:24 I forgot. 17:15:39 There's whole civilizations of UFO-riding aliens living beneath my feet. 17:16:53 anyway, when i try a floppy image my code goes into pmode and in bootable cdrom format it doesnt work 17:17:31 its frustrating, i cant put an ! on screen in 16 bit, wich proves its running some code, and trinux boot so it works, but when my code comes in... 17:17:58 I can't understand your last line. 17:18:10 The gdt is "align 8", dont know if it matters 17:18:17 ok i downloaded the Trinux iso 17:18:22 it boots under vmware 17:18:27 * kc5tja nods 17:18:37 my sample 35 byte code to put ! on screen works 17:18:43 in 16 bit mode 17:18:46 put somehow 17:18:52 but somehow 17:18:58 the cpu triplefault 17:19:14 when using a bootable ISO image 17:19:27 written on disk using a fairly recent Nero 17:20:04 Don't know what Nero is. 17:20:12 But it shouldn't matter. 17:20:26 burning program under windows 17:20:38 I don't know what the problem could possibly be. 17:20:44 actually its called "NERO: Burning ROM" 17:20:59 from Ahead Software, a german company 17:21:07 me neither and now im stuck lol 17:21:15 i wanted to use the hd of the 486 at work 17:21:35 as a "pure" storage facility 17:21:48 i.e. simple block device 17:22:00 i will have to buy a floppy drive ;p 17:22:38 When FS/Forth goes native, I'm not sure what i want to use for storage yet. 17:22:50 Floppy seems to be the logical first choice, but they're *grossly* unreliable these days. 17:22:51 btw I use "No emulation", and isolinux used by trinux also, so the feature isnt broken 17:23:04 * CrowKilr agree on the floppy 17:23:12 * CrowKilr dont like those at all 17:23:15 I'd like to use harddrive, but then I'd at least have to either handle partitions, OR I'd have to handle "hard files" within some other operating system. 17:23:46 kc5: you mean the quality of new floppies has declined? 17:24:01 Either the floppies or the drives, or both. 17:24:12 what do you mean by hard files? why dont use just blocks? 17:24:19 I format a floppy, and less than one month later, I have so many errors on the disk that the whole floppy *literally* cannot be reformated. 17:24:46 CrowKilr: A hardfile is used to encapsulate a block storage device within a single file under a filesystem. 17:25:02 kc5: ditto, but floppies I've had for ages have no errors 17:25:07 CrowKilr: This is how, for example, BeOS got BeFS running under the Windows platform. 17:25:20 kc5: and my Workbench 1.3 floppy is still in perfect shape 17:25:24 XeF4: The floppies I've had for ages also work, but they won't hold 1.44MB of data. 17:25:33 also true.. 17:26:01 k like the vmware virtual harddisk? 17:26:30 Yes 17:26:47 ->sleep 17:28:39 --- quit: rk ("Client Exiting") 17:33:12 --- join: rk (~rk@ca-cmrilo-docsis-cmtse-84.vnnyca.adelphia.net) joined #forth 17:35:57 for the website, my IDE boot code could be posted, along with a nice section for interfacing the pc 17:36:27 OK, I'm off. Time to play Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory. 17:36:37 I just discovered how to interface the RTC (colorofrth mailing list) and IDE buses 17:36:40 bye! 17:36:52 been great talking with you again! 17:40:37 --- join: Robert_ (~snofs@h138n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #forth 17:41:35 --- quit: Robert (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: Robert_!~snofs@h138n2fls31o965.telia.com))) 17:41:42 --- nick: Robert_ -> robert 17:41:42 --- nick: robert -> Robert 17:51:31 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@207.111.96.72) joined #forth 17:51:31 --- mode: ChanServ set +o TheBlueWizard 17:51:43 hiya all 17:53:24 Hi :)( 17:53:32 hi 17:53:54 hiya rk 17:54:04 hmm... 17:54:07 hiya Robert 17:54:09 :) 17:54:10 hiya CrowKilr 17:54:32 * TheBlueWizard carefully examines rk for suspicious naming 17:54:38 :) 17:55:09 TBW, odd question here.... did you ever try the Flanagan's Neurophone? 17:55:56 never heard of it...so, never tried it, of course :) 17:57:09 it supposedly enable to hear without ears, through a resonant circuit 17:57:56 hmm...I've heard of BoneFone...this one certainly is different, however 17:57:56 anyway thanks for answering something, i still search info about this intriguing device 17:58:19 never heard of that 17:59:01 it transmit the sounds through the bones, straight to your ears 17:59:19 seen those ads for BoneFone in early 80s 17:59:41 anyway, I personally don't care a bit about audio stuff 18:00:03 TheBlueWizard: suspicous naming? 18:00:26 TheBlueWizard: I like C alot, so tr to figure out my name 18:00:31 i give you 3 tries 18:01:44 hmm...rock? 18:03:34 chris? 18:06:27 well, gotta zip...bye all! 18:07:01 whois kc5tja 18:07:03 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 18:12:01 heehee 18:12:17 reverse rk --- you get kr --- k & are --- the inventors of C 18:12:17 :) 18:12:26 k & are 18:12:30 aagh 18:12:35 xchat replaces it :) 18:13:13 Turn that 'feature' off, then. 18:13:21 Or convert to irssi. :) 18:20:49 * CrowKilr just found out how to interface a PS/2 mouse!!! But the code using silly interrupts... 18:21:57 Hehe. 18:25:22 hmmm, I got an idea... disable and enable devices with in-program switch to start, then maybe a rapid switch to poll one after the other 18:27:02 16 bit vesa frame buffer (sweet rgb word here) and we're all set to go! enth already implement this, maybe I should just modify it to suit my tastes 18:57:51 theres an interesting bit on 8042's status port that may ease programming: mouse output buffer full =) 19:13:03 did some of you played with colored forths? any impressions? 19:59:54 * kc5tja is back for now 20:00:07 * kc5tja has used XcolorForth -- a port of ColorForth to the X11 environment. 20:00:09 It's nice. 20:00:10 I like it. 20:00:23 But it's not suitable for the work I do under LInux. 20:01:06 CrowKilr: my father uses flux 4 testing hardware 20:01:15 --- nick: onetom_ -> onetom 20:02:53 CrowKilr: he is pretty satisfied w it, tho as an oldtimer 4ther, he cant accept its simplified constructs easily, like its tasking system, its nondestructive if and no = word, etc 20:03:31 OK, I'm out -- going back into the game... 20:20:10 back for now. Only one other person on the game server, and it pretty much turned into Yet Another Boring Deathmatch. 20:26:32 Hi 20:26:55 Germanium diodes aren't the easiest to find. 20:29:39 No, they're not. 20:30:12 Any special reason why? They seem pretty useful 20:31:40 Silicon diodes do well enough for nearly every circuit you can imagine. They have larger breakdown voltages, etc, so they're safer to use in higher power circuits. 20:31:54 Ge diodes are useful, really, only in RF-detection applications. 20:32:50 But having a few dozens in stock wouldn't be that much of a problem :) 20:33:24 If there's no demand for it, then those few dozen becomes a business liability, which negatively affects the company's bottom line. 20:33:51 Bleh. 20:43:55 sorry i just came back 20:44:40 i love certain aspects of enth 20:44:51 i thought incorporating the yellow word in my system 20:45:13 e.g. having the 7 bit token return only the dictionary adress and not automatically compile a relative call 20:45:25 leaving this for a macro 20:47:13 i would use it, if it wasn't that I don't feel its the best implementation 20:48:20 using indexes in source code to represent word is a must, since it makes so much sense and also accelerate the whole system a lot 20:50:03 if people dont know what im talking about, I posted source code in assembly at http://fasm.sf.net/forum under the Operating system construction section 20:50:10 i didnt get much feedback ;p 20:51:30 I try to get optimizations like ?dup in fasm macro language right now 20:51:40 for some quick prototyping 20:51:49 but it doesnt work at all ;p 21:12:00 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@h0030657bb518.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 21:12:53 whats a good win32 forth? 21:15:46 Uh, Win32Forth. 21:18:26 too bad mr isforth isnt here, i would need his macro expertise 21:28:49 How one can express ?dup in assembly macro language, preferably NASM? 21:29:57 the idea: you keep in a variable the address of the last compiled drop, so when you compile your primitives you can eliminate "drop dup" by using ?dup 21:30:40 each primitive that need a new stack item, like push, over, etc can start with ?dup 21:31:16 dead simple optimization but i have trouble implementing it with if statements in assemblers 21:31:24 i tried with fasm and nasm 21:40:24 nasm as a two pass assembler is unable to do this 21:44:21 --- quit: rk ("Client Exiting") 21:44:43 argh i mustgo to sleep, will think about it tommorow 21:45:10 --- quit: CrowKilr ("The Forth madness got me again") 21:57:46 --- join: Jim7J1AJH (~jwt@n1.dskk.co.jp) joined #forth 22:11:42 --- join: flyfly (~marekb@mail.melzer.cz) joined #forth 22:11:48 --- quit: flyfly (Client Quit) 22:12:57 --- join: flyfly (~marekb@mail.melzer.cz) joined #forth 22:56:13 --- join: Serg_Penguin (Serg_Pengu@212.34.52.140) joined #forth 22:56:30 --- quit: Serg_Penguin (Client Quit) 23:27:27 --- join: a7r_ (~a7r@206.72.82.135) joined #forth 23:38:50 --- quit: Herkamire ("bedtime") 23:39:01 Off to bed; tomorrow is the aikido seminar 23:39:10 --- quit: kc5tja ("THX QSO ES 73 DE KC5TJA/6 CL ES QRT AR SK") 23:41:14 --- join: deluxe (~deluxe@pD9EE1AD3.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 23:54:28 --- quit: Jim7J1AJH (Remote closed the connection) 23:58:41 good morning everybody 23:59:43 --- join: Jim7J1AJH (~jwt@n1.dskk.co.jp) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/03.06.26