00:00:00 --- log: started forth/03.06.06 01:02:06 --- quit: a7r_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01:09:29 --- quit: a7r (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 02:17:24 --- join: rsnow2 (~rsnow2@c66.190.103.110.ts46v-01.mrshll.tx.charter.com) joined #forth 02:17:34 hey 02:19:06 --- quit: rsnow2 (Client Quit) 02:58:19 --- join: Stepan (~stepan@likes.smoking.and.watching.spacenight.dk) joined #forth 04:05:11 --- quit: Jim7J1AJH (Remote closed the connection) 04:47:21 --- join: mur (murr@baana-62-165-184-61.phnet.fi) joined #forth 04:58:19 --- join: Serg_Penguin (Serg_Pengu@212.34.52.142) joined #forth 04:58:25 hi 04:59:06 Hi.. 04:59:08 and bbl :) 04:59:15 --- quit: Robert ("bbl") 05:07:59 moi serg 05:16:48 mur: 'my' is said only of lover or a child ;))) 05:27:21 i was finnish greeting this time however >:) 05:30:26 terve serg :) 05:55:33 --- join: Robert (~snofs@h138n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #forth 06:37:39 hi 06:38:09 fridge: there is a carbonized version of Mops 06:38:16 actually all the new mopsen are carbonized 06:38:26 * Serg_Penguin is about drawing some comics, publishing in flash and PS 06:38:54 that should work on OSX 06:50:35 Serg_Penguin do you often draw comics? :) 07:15:42 --- join: snowrichard (~rsnow2@c66.190.103.110.ts46v-01.mrshll.tx.charter.com) joined #forth 07:16:50 --- nick: snowrichard -> zoloft 07:16:54 --- nick: zoloft -> snowrichard 07:18:32 sorry about that little joke. anybody awake in here now 07:18:53 * mur is back now 07:20:47 I have installed something called pforth on my vax netbsd system it says it tries to be ans compliant and the core of it is written in C. 07:21:18 has some interesting extensions though. local variables for one 07:22:03 and include files 07:22:33 local variables are a nice thing 07:23:48 also you can use relocatable addresses in the dictionary somehow so that when you save and reload it later they are still correct 07:25:40 I only just skimmed the manual pages I will have to try a few things out before I can make much use of it. 07:26:27 but the vax compile time is so slow that I though an interactive system like forth would be more fun 07:33:01 it has floats too 07:35:36 --- join: sifbot (~sifforth@h0007e97df47b.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 07:35:36 Type sifbot: (or /msg sifbot to play in private) 07:42:22 be back later need to go sign the paper on our house closing I am a homeowner now :) 07:45:12 --- part: snowrichard left #forth 08:18:08 --- join: hp48nik (xru52729fj@1Cust244.tnt4.vancouver.bc.da.uu.net) joined #forth 08:21:54 --- part: hp48nik left #forth 08:43:22 mur: i never drawed comics be4 08:43:34 so wanna try 08:44:10 :) 08:44:13 do you have them online? 08:47:35 no, i just made a few pieces 08:47:58 smiley-like faces, bad/sad man, and half of good\funny 08:52:32 :) 08:57:10 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@ip68-8-206-137.sd.sd.cox.net) joined #forth 08:57:10 --- mode: ChanServ set +o kc5tja 08:59:25 --- quit: mur ("Vote now for your favourite brands!! http://www.adbusters.org/campaigns/dirty_dozen/") 09:02:59 --- join: mur (murr@baana-62-165-184-61.phnet.fi) joined #forth 09:22:27 hi kc5tja 09:22:37 what's time at your place ? 09:22:48 san-diego ? 09:25:44 I think he's 9 hours begind me, so about 10:25. 09:27:58 * Serg_Penguin had a hard day 09:28:29 dont wanna go home - brainfu...g mom and fu... neighbours 09:28:36 here is so _QUIET_ !!! 09:30:03 At work? 09:30:09 9:31 AM 09:30:12 whadda you think , what can attract teens to progging generally and Forth specifically ? 09:30:22 kc5tja: Hmm... oops, I can't subtract :D 09:30:31 kc5tja: 18-9 is 10 in my world. 09:30:39 Make it cool. Then they'll do it. Until then, computer programming will just be another geek-thing. 09:31:08 Robert: We're currently GMT-7 because of #$&@(#*(@*#&$ daylight savings time. 09:31:20 Normally we're GMT-8. 09:31:21 Make Forth programming cool... that sounds like a hard problem. 09:31:30 Yes... but I know you're 9 hours relative to Sweden. 09:31:40 -9, that is. 09:31:40 yeah, at work, 20:31 09:34:13 demos in Forth==COOL 09:34:25 s/COOL/cool/ 09:34:26 Yes, demos would definitely be sweet. 09:34:45 Especially if they employ the features of the modern graphics cards. 09:34:55 I actually made a compiler for the purpose, but never got around to doing much with it 09:35:37 for demos ? 09:35:49 for 4KB intros actually 09:35:55 Hehe :) 09:36:03 Graphics demos, like those found on the Amiga, Commodore 64, etc. 09:36:19 what language - Forth ? 09:36:31 vaguely colorforth-like 09:37:14 for demos, my idea of 'library' forth will go well , maybe 09:37:37 is there any strict definition of what is 'color forth' ? 09:37:54 Is there any strict definition of what Forth is? 09:38:22 You could invent a strict definition if you want :) 09:38:22 BTW, I used XcolorForth fairly recently, and I have to admit that I actually *like* that 27-key keyboard system Chuck has. 09:38:33 Why is it so good? 09:38:55 kc5: on what machine? Xcolorforth was awfully sluggish when Itried it 09:38:56 Minimum finger travel; easy on the wrists. 09:39:13 * Serg_Penguin likes plain text more than scrambled 5-bits 09:39:21 XeF4: 800MHz AMD Athlon running Linux 2.4.18, XFree86 4.1, nVidia GeForce 4 video driver. 09:39:55 Serg_Penguin: You can tell the difference between 8-bit ASCII and 5-bit source encoding by just looking at the screen? I can't. 09:40:23 I can tell the difference when I run out of glyph identifiers 09:40:32 so, is it any convenient text on 9Color4Forth2 what can be even loose 'definition' ? 09:40:37 Serg_Penguin: Also remember that ASCII and related standards are just as arbitrary as anything else. 09:40:48 serg:www.colorforth.com 09:40:58 XeF4: I didn't run out. 09:41:02 i can tell if i'll try to GREP (1) my work 09:41:09 I had the usual compliment of punctuation, letters, numbers, et. al. 09:41:25 or GREP the source of Forth itself 09:41:29 Serg_Penguin: If you're GREPing it, it'll be in ASCII. 09:41:39 ???? 09:41:39 People need to start to pay attention to Chuck more closely. 09:41:50 He **VERY**CLEARLY** states that his 5-bit encodings are for SOURCE CODE BLOCKS ONLY. 09:42:13 Transmission of source over the wire occurs in regular ASCII. 09:42:16 kc5: he does but that doesn't help if I want to write comments in Finnish 09:42:31 so it is converted then loaded from files ? then exported to files ? 09:43:36 'Updated 2002 September' not so good 09:43:39 XeF4: Then write your own keyboard layout. 09:44:03 any text from other men who write color-like Forth's ? 09:44:05 Serg_Penguin: When importing or exporting data from other sources, it is converted, yes. 09:44:22 When it exists in the source blocks, it is in pre-encoded form. 09:44:50 so what it gives, pre-encoding ? 09:46:04 * Serg_Penguin really needs a scripture to understand the ideology better 09:46:10 could someone explain why we are arguing about this in the channel when the answers can be had by glancing at the docs for 5min 09:46:30 Serg_Penguin: I don't understand your question? 09:49:01 werg: words are encoded 32 (significant)bits each, 4 bits tag+as many huffman chars as fit+possible pad 09:49:18 ideology? 09:49:20 some good text from 'color' followers what describes in detail all differnces of 'color' forth from traditional, saying why it's so and why it's better 09:49:27 * mur made http://murr.host.sk/kuvat/active/pigcow/ 09:49:53 Well, to start with, the compiler is made substantially simpler. 09:50:20 The problem of "pre-parsing" in classic Forths is no longer a problem in ColorForth -- now everything is purely reverse polish notation. 09:50:39 The function of words is identified with color. A red word is defined; a cyan word is a hexadecimal constant, etc. 09:51:15 hmm... 09:51:33 http://www.colorforth.com/cf.html 09:51:33 What type of word do red words define? That depends on the current definition "mode"; VARIABLE no longer defines a word -- instead, it says, "From now on, all red words define variables." : no longer defines a colon-definition, instead it says, "From now on, all red words are colon definitions." 09:52:09 interesting... 09:52:16 which is quite nice, since the "color" can just be an index into some handler table 09:53:05 * Serg_Penguin started to log the chan and keep it at home ;) many ideas :) 09:53:09 so the compiler inner loop consists of (roughly), pass word to handler[color*4], repeat. 09:53:40 My current Forth is a classic Forth, but a ColorForth of some kind has been increasingly appealing to me. 09:54:16 so why not edit threaded code in place, arranging it in blocks ? 09:54:29 colorforth appeals to me because i tend to manipulate lists of XTs in any case, and colorforth makes it socially acceptable =) 09:55:14 Serg_Penguin: Because source isn't a simple list of XTs. 09:55:31 gp-forth i use has DECOMP, and i felt a strong temptation to write THR-ED on it's base 09:55:59 XT ? execution token ? 09:56:03 Serg_Penguin: However, ColorForth comes close. In Chuck's latest incarnation of ColorForth, it's the closest thing to an orthogonally persistent system you'll find. 09:56:04 Yes. 09:56:17 * XeF4 must vanish. now. 09:56:19 Serg_Penguin: The contents of variables are literally stored in the blocks that they are defined in. 09:56:25 See you later XeF4 09:56:26 --- quit: XeF4 ("pois") 09:57:43 w/ my one-liner game, i planned to write a block editor and store source in COM file, compiling at every run 09:58:14 FS/Forth is going to be different: the kernel is a .COM file, but the source is loaded from an associated .BLK file. 09:58:16 so the player can rewrite all the game on the fly, in midst of playing 09:58:34 BTW, "one-liner" implies that the whole thing fits on one line. So when you say "one-liner game," it implies the WHOLE GAME fits on ONE line. 09:59:02 so how is right to say what game is written in one-line words ? 09:59:40 One-line words pretty much is it. :) 10:02:28 * Serg_Penguin hardly can read colorforth code ;( 10:02:59 Well, part of that is, "Serg_Penguin hardly can read Chuck Moore's code." 10:03:18 He is a very terse writer, not only of Forth, but also of English. 10:03:28 terse ? 10:03:50 This is a terse sentence. It's short. It's direct. Says what it has to say. No extravegances. 10:03:55 Those are all terse sentences. :) 10:04:01 ok, ok 10:04:27 I always joke with my English teachers at school: If succinct is so succinct, why does it have so many letters? :) 10:04:31 but i have something in common w/ him - naming words like asm mnemos 10:04:32 (Succinct is a synonym for terse) 10:05:11 we had othr jokes 10:05:24 like: Can you can the can ? 10:05:49 ... 10:05:52 Yes. 10:05:53 :) 10:06:19 he names like BSY, RDY 10:07:23 i - like xy@, 0f!, f>l, 6pk ,... 10:07:27 Yeah, I can't do that. :) 10:07:41 I can't handle that kind of source, *UNLESS*, those words are defined RIGHT THERE, or very close by. 10:08:12 example of your names ? 10:09:26 i seem my src is _very_ convenient 10:09:45 --- join: a7r (~a7r@206.72.82.135) joined #forth 10:09:51 xy@ is 'take gamefield cell at x, y' ( x y -- c ) 10:10:13 morning 10:10:34 0f! is 'reset field "address register" to initial value (not zero!)' 10:11:19 hi a7r 10:11:58 BTW, in one-line-words version, i eliminated even x and y ;) 10:12:14 just 'd' across flat 400 chars array 10:12:36 line up is d=d-20 ;) 10:14:24 -- 10:14:45 hey, i found external index for colorforth site, and it _really_ needs one ! 10:20:20 yo-ho-ho ! 10:20:38 one guy wrote colorforth -> html converter in C ! 10:20:54 what a perversion ! 10:23:27 bye, gotta run ! 10:23:30 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 10:25:37 --- join: I440r (~x@dialup-67.29.221.197.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) joined #forth 10:25:52 --- quit: kc5tja (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:29:45 Hi! 10:29:51 Long time no see :) 10:30:07 hiltnsk Robert 10:30:46 hi 10:31:34 doing an 8051 forth for a project my father and i are going to be working on using a realy cool cygnal 8051 :) 10:33:13 I440r: AVR! :) 10:35:47 no 10:36:12 these allow you to exrcute code in one area of flash while writing to another 10:36:20 ah, that's pretty slick. 10:36:21 execute even 10:36:34 plus it runs at 25 mips :) 10:37:39 2048 bytes of xram, 32k of flash 10:37:45 22 interrupt sources 10:37:54 loads of neat gizmoze :) 10:48:34 Neat :) 10:48:40 * Robert has an 8051 somewhere... 10:48:50 Someday I might even play with it :P 10:53:37 --- join: XeF4 (xef4@lowfidelity.org) joined #forth 11:07:20 --- quit: mur (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:08:40 --- join: mur (murr@baana-62-165-184-61.phnet.fi) joined #forth 11:17:03 --- quit: I440r (No route to host) 11:22:26 --- join: hp48nik (xru52729fj@1Cust234.tnt4.vancouver.bc.da.uu.net) joined #forth 11:30:37 --- part: hp48nik left #forth 11:34:53 --- join: tathi (~josh@pcp02123722pcs.milfrd01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 11:59:26 --- quit: mur ("Vote now for your favourite brands!! http://www.adbusters.org/campaigns/dirty_dozen/") 12:33:16 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 12:52:55 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@ip68-8-206-137.sd.sd.cox.net) joined #forth 12:52:55 --- mode: ChanServ set +o kc5tja 12:55:23 Lost cable connectivity seriously. :/ 14:05:23 --- quit: XeF4 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:05:25 --- join: XeF4 (xef4@lowfidelity.org) joined #forth 14:19:33 --- quit: Stepan ("disconnecting from stoned server.") 15:02:35 --- quit: a7r (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:19:31 --- quit: XeF4 (asimov.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 15:19:31 --- quit: kc5tja (asimov.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 15:28:35 --- join: gNoam (xru52729fj@1Cust19.tnt4.vancouver.bc.da.uu.net) joined #forth 15:30:31 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@ip68-8-206-137.sd.sd.cox.net) joined #forth 15:30:31 --- mode: asimov.freenode.net set +o kc5tja 15:30:32 --- join: XeF4 (xef4@lowfidelity.org) joined #forth 15:37:14 --- part: gNoam left #forth 15:45:11 --- quit: XeF4 ("pois") 15:58:34 --- quit: kc5tja ("[x]chat") 16:07:34 --- join: thin (~thin@stu04161.cariboo.bc.ca) joined #forth 16:10:25 Hi thin. 16:19:58 Hmm.. are you involved in the MUD? 16:21:45 only in the last week :P 16:24:02 Pfff.. boring. 16:24:12 yep 16:24:23 all games are 16:25:23 Nah, not _all_. :) 16:25:28 the only goal for playing games is to eliminate time in the most efficient way 16:25:41 Some are quite fun and interesting. 16:25:53 While others are more brain-dead than TV. 16:26:10 sure, some seem fun and interesting, but they suck after a few hours! 16:26:24 let's take your favorite game as an example. it sucks!!!!! :P 16:27:49 What's my favourite game? 16:28:28 doesn't matter 16:28:32 you name it, it sucks 16:30:25 Duke Nukem 3D! 16:31:09 I've spent endless hours building levels for that game :) And also playing with friends and brothers and sisters! 16:31:25 yeah and it sucks 16:31:29 same for quake, ut, etc 16:31:46 even the strategy games (my prefered genre of games) usually fall short :P 16:31:53 vga planets, etc.. 16:32:45 <3 Warcraft 16:34:03 yeah, warcraft & starcraft are crap too 16:34:19 and i don't even count those games as strategy games 16:34:42 suuure, they call them "RTS : real time strategy" but calling it strategy doesn't mean it is 16:35:13 Warcraft is nice! 16:35:24 so? it's still crap 16:35:28 nice & crap 16:35:31 OK. 16:35:36 :P 16:35:36 Using the usual thin-logic. 16:35:50 well computers are crap too 16:35:53 and games are crap 16:36:02 even if games are sorta nice, they're still crap 16:43:05 robert: are you a procrastinator? 16:47:24 * Robert fires dict 16:47:33 Hehe. 16:47:36 Sure am :) 16:55:56 good to see you're all thinking positive 16:56:46 I must admit that there are very few games that I enjoy 16:57:03 I think that would be because I'm no longer a child 16:57:27 I enjoy games in periods. 16:57:35 IRC is a much more efficient way to waste time, cheaper too! 16:57:38 Haven't played anything in months. 16:57:50 And sometimes I don't do anything but play a game for a month. 16:58:11 nod 16:58:30 fridge: lies, muds are the most efficient way :P 17:00:04 I could never get into that 17:00:05 I tried 17:00:20 well, at least you tried ;) 17:00:42 i mean, that's the most important thing isn't it? that you tried to develop an avenue for wasting your time :P 17:01:55 I prefer reading books as a way to waste time 17:02:23 unless its non-fiction, or a technical manual 17:02:28 yep 17:02:29 I might learn something 17:07:51 when i start reading a good book, i can't stop 17:07:54 no matter what 17:08:03 no matter if the final exams are happening :P 17:08:14 or if the world is being blown to hell 17:14:49 --- join: a7r (~a7r@206.72.82.135) joined #forth 17:45:08 --- join: snowrichard (~chatzilla@c66.190.103.110.ts46v-01.mrshll.tx.charter.com) joined #forth 17:46:10 hey snowrichard 17:46:20 geakazoid right? 17:46:36 afk 17:46:55 brb 17:47:07 ok 17:47:08 Hi snowrichard :) 17:47:42 finally got the vax (well one of them at least) that were donated to me after the fire running netbsd. 17:47:57 Fire? 17:48:23 we had a house fire jan 11th we are in another house which is completely paid for and we closed today 17:48:46 Was the whole house ruined? :( 17:48:51 gone 17:48:58 Damn... 17:49:06 no insurance 17:49:11 Even worse. 17:49:36 this one will need some fixing up, but the price was right 17:52:27 someone from the linux-vax mailing list offered these two vax to me after he heard about it 17:52:38 one of them needs some memory 17:52:53 Good to have friends with spare computers :) 17:53:05 he was trying to clean house so to speak 17:54:03 he lives in Houston and my uncle picked them up there (he lives there too) and brought them up for me 17:56:11 I have two of these huge RGB monitors that neither netbsd openbsd linux support, only vms. 17:59:00 someday I'll get scsi disks and cdrom and get the vms kit 18:00:05 Never had any vax... 18:00:28 well the only reason I got interested in collecting a few was I used to use on at a job 18:00:37 and they are like real cheap now 18:02:15 the low-horsepower ones are cheap anyway I saw a 7000 going on ebay today for $1500 18:02:30 $1500 isn't cheap. :P 18:02:40 * Robert thinks of $15 as cheap. 18:02:43 but the $25 ones I can collect a few of 18:03:17 low end sparcs are going for 10 or 20 too 18:03:21 Cool. 18:03:38 and sparcs have forth built in the rom 18:04:03 open boot 18:04:20 Yeah, I've been told so. 18:04:45 i'd buy a ton of old computers like sparcs, amigas, etc.. if i had a place to put them 18:04:49 but i don't :( 18:04:59 and i don't want to move them around everytime i move.. 18:05:19 I don't plan on moving any more and I have a rather large room I can use after we fix the roof 18:05:53 rain leaks in now 18:06:42 i have only one bloody computer and that's because the house is too small.. & because i don't want to move the computers around.. for the next 4 years i'm likely to move from place to place 18:06:52 so its best to minimize what i have 18:07:11 I am sort of retired, on disability that is 18:07:27 no need to move around 18:07:47 are you geakazoid 18:07:51 ? 18:08:26 pardon me? my real name is richard snow you could get my phone number from Marshall TX information :) 18:08:56 i was wondering if you had another nickname.. 18:09:07 oh no I've been using this one for a while now 18:09:13 ok :) 18:09:30 --- mode: ChanServ set +o thin 18:10:47 --- topic: set to 'Interested in publishing an article on or about Forth? If so, we'd love to showcase it on a new #Forth portal site, at http://forth.bespin.org. Contact thin or kc5tja via memoserv for details. ::: Also remember to check out Jeff Fox's articles, located at !' by thin 18:11:56 --- topic: set to 'Interested in publishing an article on or about Forth? If so, we'd love to showcase it on a new #Forth portal site, at http://forth.bespin.org Contact thin or kc5tja via memoserv for details. ::: Also remember to check out Jeff Fox's articles, located at !' by thin 18:16:31 I guess I am blind did you change anything the second time:) 18:17:27 He deleted a dot. 18:17:37 Don't ask me why... but that's what he did :) 18:17:39 yeah just saw that 18:17:44 :P 18:18:18 think i should leave the dot in? :P 18:18:56 Nah... 18:19:02 the dot was black not blue it should be ok :) 18:20:04 Shit... I'm better at making assembly programs smaller than I am on making my current order shorter. 18:20:08 --- topic: set to 'Interested in publishing an article on or about Forth? If so, we'd love to showcase it on a new #Forth portal site, at http://forth.bespin.org Contact thin or kc5tja via memoserv for details. :|: Also remember to check out Jeff Fox's articles, located at http://www.ultratechnology.com/dindex.htm' by thin 18:20:10 * Robert sees money running away. 18:20:46 any of you tried pforth? 18:20:48 money running away? 18:20:53 snowrichard: nope 18:21:09 i've limited myself to pygmyforth, gforth, isforth & colorforth :P 18:21:17 oh, and fpc (which sucks imo) 18:21:46 * Robert mostly uses isforth. 18:22:14 I installed it on the vax it seemed to have most of the features I was looking for, include files, a smart forget, local variables. compile cycles on the vax take so long I wanted to avoid them as much as possible 18:23:37 you can save the compiled dictionary turnkey if you like 18:24:30 has anybody used eforth? 18:25:14 Which one's that? 18:25:19 The really tiny one? 18:25:46 --- quit: a7r (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18:27:00 schools out for summer.... 18:27:10 song playing now 18:27:12 :) 18:27:14 Good one. 18:27:44 But school isn't really finished yet, one week left for me. 18:27:54 well my son's is out 18:28:11 he came over and visited the other day, we have not got to do that much 18:28:12 I guess most people here in Sweden are, too. :) 18:28:20 How old is he? 18:28:24 12 18:28:35 Doesn't he live with you? 18:29:06 we had to let my parents come pick him up when he was only a few months old because of the state welfare system and our disabilities 18:29:26 so my brother has raised him 18:31:02 :( 18:32:17 he has bonded with me pretty well anyway but not my wife 18:32:25 eforth isn't the really tiny one, it's the really portable one 18:32:52 thin: Hmm... OK. I think I tried to get it working on Minix, but it didn't want to compile. So I never used it. :) 18:33:27 well I think I must take a nap for a while may come back later 18:35:06 OK, see you. 18:35:10 I'll go to bed soon anyway. 19:24:26 --- quit: thin ("laters") 19:58:58 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@pc7ddn1d.ppp.fcc.net) joined #forth 19:58:58 --- mode: ChanServ set +o TheBlueWizard 19:59:03 hiya all 20:53:23 argh 20:53:28 mops has this annoying thing 20:53:37 hmm? 20:53:48 won't read in whats on the line unless you hit 'enter', not 'return' key 20:54:04 enter is this little shitty key in an unconvienient location on my ibook 20:54:25 or fn+return 20:56:39 are you saying you want it to act on a keystroke immediately? 20:57:13 no, I'd like it to just read in the line when I hit 'return' 20:58:14 oh...hmm....sounds like mops needs a teensy bit of a hack to accept 'return' 20:58:55 yup, goot thing it provides the source 20:59:46 * TheBlueWizard nods...having the source can simplify the life a lot 21:00:15 the hard part is locating where the imput routine is :) 21:00:28 uhuh 21:00:46 by the time I've found it I'll probably be used to hitting fn+return anyway 21:01:04 so the moral of the story is, I should stop whinging 21:02:10 * TheBlueWizard laughs 21:02:25 well, you miss out on the fun of hacking ;) 21:11:34 --- join: TreyB (~Trey@cpe-66-87-192-27.tx.sprintbbd.net) joined #forth 21:11:59 hiya TreyB 21:12:39 G'day, TheBlueWizard. 21:15:37 gotta go...bye all 21:15:46 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 21:21:38 * TreyB falls asleep at his desk. 22:28:07 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@ip68-8-206-137.sd.sd.cox.net) joined #forth 22:28:07 --- mode: ChanServ set +o kc5tja 22:59:12 --- join: futhin (futhin@dial-36.ocis.net) joined #forth 23:00:07 hi kc5tja 23:00:17 re futhin 23:00:21 You're on pretty late. :) 23:00:27 yeah 23:00:30 can't see 23:00:36 that's how tired i am 23:00:37 Can't see?! 23:00:48 but i have an annoying habit of not going to bed :P 23:00:49 Oh, I thought your eyes were hurt or something. :) 23:01:01 hehe 23:01:34 btw, i gave you a link for cmfforum 23:01:43 your email sounded like you didn't check it ? 23:02:02 it was in a different language tho, but it was the cmfforum in action 23:02:19 I actually got done a few minutes ago. 23:02:37 from the dojo? 23:02:42 I don't know what to think of CMFForum. It looks to be easier to use than NeoBoard, and it's certainly more like other boards. 23:02:51 yeah 23:02:54 I like it's cleanliness too. neoBoard was just grotesque. 23:03:21 well neoboard looks a lot different, it's a totally different kind of board.. 23:03:31 so people not familiar to it would be like "wtf?" 23:03:44 Yeah, that's what I don't like about it. 23:03:49 yeah, i guess i'll try cmfforum and ploneboard 23:03:52 And all those "Add Comment" buttons. What the bloody hell is that? 23:03:59 heh 23:04:21 he borrowed that from the plone site 23:04:36 in the plone documentation area you have "add comment" buttons all over.. 23:04:38 It's distracting 23:04:42 yeah 23:05:00 I know the reason why for that, and they're looking to remove those buttons the last I checked. 23:05:20 They're waiting for another Plone-plugin to replace their CMF-based book plug-in first. 23:06:44 eh? 23:06:55 we're talking about neoboard? 23:07:15 You said that neoBoard got the "Add Comment" button idea from the Plone site. 23:07:27 And I said that the Plone site is looking to REMOVE those buttons, because they're damn annoying. 23:07:40 heh ok 23:08:04 yeah, when there's lots of ppl it probably becomes a problem.. 23:08:18 well, more of a problem anyways 23:08:34 Well, it's just that you have "Add Comment" after *EVERY* paragraph. It's VERY annoying, especially when you're deep-reading. 23:08:43 nod 23:09:14 what do you think is better, a plain forum that sort of integrates with plone or phpBB ? 23:09:35 Whatever works. :) That's what I prefer. 23:09:49 If the Plone-integrated forum works for our needs, then we should use that. 23:09:56 Otherwise, I have no objections to using phpBB. 23:10:01 yeah 23:12:11 well i was thinking the other advantage was that there would only need to be one membership list 23:12:50 holy shit, i can't see 23:12:51 heh 23:13:02 What kind of hacker are you? 23:13:10 Getting all tired and bleary-eyed at 11:14PM? :D 23:13:16 heheh 23:13:33 the kind that requires 9 hours of sleep at least and gets up at 8 am 23:13:50 Recently, I've been "auto-waking" at 8AM myself. 23:13:56 Even if I go to bed at 3AM. :) 23:13:57 i never was a hacker, i'm a poser :P 23:14:08 *gasp* The truth comes out. 23:14:16 yeah, when i get up regularly at 8am i can go to bed really late and wake up at 8am anyways 23:14:31 i usually wake up by 9:30am at the latest 23:14:40 even when i go to bed at 5 am :P 23:14:50 * kc5tja nods 23:16:04 heh, one time i got my highschool's internet password, and connected to the internet once using that. turns out that two other hackers were using the account all the time because it was unlimited, and they actually hacked the isp for the password, whereas i got the password from trumpet winsock's .ini file 23:16:42 the .ini file's password was encrypted, but you just copied the letters and put it into your trumpet winsock's ini file :P 23:17:08 HEH :) 23:17:20