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It'll be the first public release of the FS/Forth line. 10:28:18 apparently not, if there is no compiler implemented _-D 10:28:24 It's version 1.3 10:28:34 There were three previous versions that I wrote at various times in the past. 10:28:54 But that's OK, it's wholesale incompatible with the previous versions. 10:29:56 From versions 1.0 to 1.2, it became increasingly more ANSI-like. 1.3 is taking the opposite direction: it's moving more towards a minimal Forth environment with small dictionaries, applications compiled every time you use them, and heavier dependence on interpreting. 10:30:11 * XeF4 looks at a timetable. nevermind. on land for the next 7 days 10:30:42 AND, I finally figured out how to handle files in a block-based system without too much overhead on my part. 10:31:12 * kc5tja will have a file allocation table (no relation to Microsoft's FAT, but the concept is the same) on each volume. 10:31:38 * XeF4 tends to shy away from such single points of failure 10:31:39 My FAT will sreve one purpose only: to record which blocks belong to which "files" -- it does this using "extents" instead of an actual list of blocks. 10:31:53 All filesystems have single points of failure. 10:31:59 event ext2fs and ext3fs. 10:32:45 At any rate, this table serves only to record which blocks belong to which files. 10:32:55 *nod* 10:32:55 Actual block I/O is still done using BLOCK and UPDATE, however. 10:33:45 Unused blocks are kept in a special, "free" file, which is a special file which represents all currently unallocated blocks. 10:34:33 Therefore, "files" become application entities, if they're even desred at all. 10:34:36 desired even 10:35:02 The kernel only offers "protection" (in the exokernel sense, but without actually forcing it upon the Forth code). 10:35:31 Hence, if an application wants to grow a file, IT is responsible for allocating a block, removing it from the free-file, appending it to the relavent file table, etc. 10:35:41 Otherwise, the user is assumed to know what he wants to do. 10:35:56 The FAT just says, "These blocks are used by someone else." 10:37:12 simple enogh 10:38:04 enough 10:38:08 I think I'm going to not call them files though, to prevent confusion for when FS/Forth gets hosted under another OS. But, that's basically what I'll call them nor now, for lack of better name. 10:39:55 --- join: a7r (~a7r@206.72.82.135) joined #forth 10:40:13 re a7r 10:40:45 * kc5tja will probably work up an article for my ideas and publish it on #Forth website. 10:41:27 hey 10:41:33 kc5: hmz, I would call such a beast 'lohkokimppu' or so just to irritate the documentation reader 10:41:50 Heheh :) 10:42:07 I think "objects" are good enough. The word is already so overloaded that nobody will notice. 10:42:10 "a bunch of blocks" or so 10:42:11 Or maybe "records." 10:43:07 A Block Allocation, or just "allocation" for short. 10:44:23 * XeF4 ->food 10:45:12 call them blobs 10:45:33 As in the SQL blob concept? That's a possibility too. 10:45:39 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 11:08:32 * ianni loosk at ocaml 11:09:16 HEATHEN!!!! BURN HIM AT THE STEAK 11:09:21 steak bar that is... 11:09:23 :) 11:09:57 BTW, if anyone gets a chance, Finding Nemo is a really fun movie. It was actually better than I expected. 11:11:27 lol 11:11:42 anything to do with captain nemo? 11:11:48 No 11:12:05 Lots of references to other stories, but that's it. It's a completely original story as far as I could tell. 11:13:00 http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Ss/0266543/FNC-124.jpg 11:13:04 hmm, pretty 11:13:24 would look good on a plasma screen =) 11:13:57 Yeah -- the movie is very, very colorful. 11:14:02 Even an LCD screen would be great. 11:22:10 --- join: crc (~crc@ACAC7296.ipt.aol.com) joined #forth 11:25:58 --- join: deluxe (~deluxe@pD9EE142E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 11:29:23 * ianni looks around for some tcp/ip implmentations in forth 11:29:36 hmm.. i dont really want that do i.. 11:29:49 I should look into tcpclient, huh.. 11:30:21 anyone here done any networking stuff? 11:30:25 as such 11:31:47 ianni: I've started implementing IPv6 11:32:01 I'm working on TCP for it right now. 11:32:52 a7r: Is your work being done in Forth? 11:33:15 kc5tja: yup 11:33:37 a7r: Cool. Which Forth? Any chance the source will be published with some commentary in the future? 11:33:45 I can generate ICMP messages right now, and I've hand-verified them to be correct. 11:34:10 kc5tja: pforth right now, but I want to get them working with a colorforth as well. 11:34:32 What networking device(s) are you using? Serial port? Ethernet? 11:34:51 no hardware yet, just memory, but I want to get ethernet going 11:35:14 * kc5tja was planning on implementing a TCP/IP stack for FS/Forth, using SLIP. 11:35:18 --- join: fridge__ (~matt@dsl-203-33-160-107.NSW.netspace.net.au) joined #forth 11:35:39 Since my laptop only has a serial port that I can work with. :) 11:35:40 kc5tja: one could implement SLIP in an evening 11:35:48 .. with the code I've got. 11:35:50 Precisely. 11:35:52 :) 11:36:12 Well, I could still implement SLIP in an evening -- it just won't marshall IP packets, that's all. :) 11:36:24 Actually, SLIP is used to package AX.25 packets for TNCs operating in KISS mode. 11:36:51 yeah, I recently implemented SLIP for some KISS work I was doing. 11:37:15 I'm using it to push IPv6 to my TNC, so I can cut AX.25 out of the equation. 11:37:25 * kc5tja nods 11:37:39 Funny thing is, you're going towards IPv6, while I'm trying to move towards ATM. :) 11:38:24 we can implement both, and make a pretty rich set of protocols available. 11:38:49 --- quit: TreyB () 11:40:31 I love wrong numbers... 11:40:35 "Hello, is Robert there?" 11:40:42 "Sorry, Robert moved to Argentina." 11:40:44 "WHAT?!" 11:40:45 ;) 11:41:00 haha 11:41:02 You're so nice. 11:41:22 Well, I've lived in this apartment for over a year now. Actually, going on two years. 11:41:26 Sou|cutter: eyahp 11:41:36 We get a phone call for Robert almost four times a week, TO THIS DAY. 11:41:44 Haha. 11:41:54 It's getting annoying. 11:42:07 I beleive you 11:42:40 What I love is doing that to his credit card companies. 11:42:49 Heh. 11:43:01 Maybe Robert will get the hint that he needs to update his friends and family and business relations whenever he moves. 11:43:17 btw... I'm checking final amplifiers for some transmitters, most people seem to use a coil connected to a transistor basically. What's the coil used for? 11:43:52 The coil, in conjunction with the capacitor, forms a resonant circuit which acts as an output filter, and helps tune the radio. 11:44:08 This way, you won't "splatter" your signal across the band. 11:44:13 Oh.. some text here says its size isn't important. 11:44:18 (yes, splatter is a technical term.) 11:44:40 AAhhh, if there is no capacitor connected to it, it's probably used as an RF choke. 11:44:49 Indeed, the size of RF chokes generally doesn't matter much. 11:44:50 Yeah.. and what's that? :) 11:45:15 It prevents AC from getting into the DC power supply, which will have the affect of feeding AC back into the rest of the circuit. 11:45:30 Oh. 11:45:37 Think microphone next to a speaker, and you'll hear what would happen. 11:45:43 :D 11:45:45 Only this prevents it electronically, and at higher frequency. 11:45:58 How do I know what (minimum) size it has to be? 11:46:08 You generally don't. 11:46:17 There are ways of computing it, but I don't have that information handy right now. 11:46:27 --- quit: fridge (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:46:29 Is it its self-resonance freq.? 11:46:35 --- nick: fridge__ -> fridge 11:46:35 Moreover, it involves square roots, division, and lots of other algebraic manipulation. 11:46:54 Actually, you should stay clear away from its self-resonance frequency. 11:47:43 Hmm... can you say _anything_ about what size I might need at a certain frequency (around 7MHz)? 11:47:57 No. 11:47:59 :| 11:48:03 "Lots of wire." ;) 11:48:12 And if possible, use a ferrite core. 11:48:12 Sounds like a good idea. 11:48:22 Chokes aren't precision devices. 11:48:25 Don't have any of those :/ 11:48:30 The more inductance you can get, the better. 11:49:01 Well...10-20 turns around a 30mm film can? Would that be enough? 11:49:33 Heck, I'd do 40 just because. :) But that may work. It certainly won't hurt to try it. 11:49:35 That'd give me like 10uH. Hrmm.. 11:49:43 10uH? Good grief, that's plenty. 11:49:55 Most chokes are in the 1uH to 5uH range. :) 11:50:20 or is that mH? I forget now. 11:50:44 * Robert has a 4mH one somewhere... 11:50:51 But it has to be able to handle some current. 11:51:06 Yup, 1uH is the average RF choke inductance. 11:51:13 Ah, cool! 11:51:27 Then it should be no problem constructing one. :) Thanks 11:51:31 n/p 11:51:42 BTW, what are you bulding that is going to operate around 7MHz? 11:51:58 building even 11:52:32 Heh, I'm getting worse than Chuck Moore. 11:52:33 A little transmitter. 11:52:46 Found a 7.something MHz crystal I didn't use. 11:53:16 Robert: You're treading on thin ice by doing so. That's shortwave region, and RF there travels world-wide. 11:53:40 Actually I planned to use it for clocking microcontrollers, but I might as well play with it here. Got plenty of them. 11:53:46 In fact, 7.0-7.3MHz is the 40m band allocation for amateur radio. 11:53:51 Yeah.. so I'll try to be as silent as possible. 11:54:06 Mostly to test the 7MHz receiver I want to build. 11:54:11 --- quit: crc ("I was using TinyIRC! Visit http://www.tinyirc.net/ for more information.") 11:54:12 What frequency is it? 11:54:29 7.3728 MHz 11:54:36 40m propegates best during night-time, so if you do operate for testing purposes, I recommend doing it during the day. 11:54:45 Oh, I know I won't be able to hear you then. 11:55:00 We have a Christian Evangelist station there. :/ 11:55:09 Haha, how cute... 11:55:10 (and an annoying one at that) 11:55:52 Stockholm -> California with a <1W transmitter would be quite a challenge anyway :) 11:56:22 Robert: It's not impossible. In fact, there's a whole subhobby in ham radio called "QRP", where <5W is used to make contacts. 11:57:03 Around the whole world? 11:57:07 I made it from California to Florida on less than 10 milliwatts. Double the power, you get 4x the distance (because of inverse square law), so 1W is plenty powerful enough to go world-wide, assuming good propegation conditions. 11:57:29 Wow. 11:57:34 Band conditions do need to be pristine though. 11:57:45 But people have done it before. 11:57:55 How about receivers, don't they have to be pretty good? And antennas... 11:58:01 There's a 'bragging right' metric, called miles/W, or km/W. 11:58:30 Hehe, 11:58:43 Well, to do effective QRP, you need a relatively quiet receiver (quiet as in low-noise). I say "relatively" because it doesn't need to be lab grade -- the noise levels of HF are already higher than the noise levels in most radios. 11:59:07 The other, and by FAR the most critical, thing you need is a well-matched antenna. 11:59:32 Antenna tuners are sometimes used, but they do introduce some loss. So most QRP operators have dedicated antennas for their radios for the specific bands they operate on. 11:59:44 Which I certainly won't have :) 11:59:47 QRP is to ham radio as Forth is to Chuck Moore. 12:00:01 Yeah, at least not yet. 12:00:02 :) 12:00:12 Right.. not until I get a license. 12:00:31 But it seems interesting enough to bother getting one. 12:00:32 But if you get your ham ticket, you'll be able to purchase good radios, make your own antennas, or purchase already-made antennas, etc. 12:00:39 :) 12:00:42 It's hard. :) 12:00:52 I've tried QRP operating several times, and my hit on Florida was a fluke. 12:00:52 Getting the license? 12:00:59 No, getting contacts with QRP. :) 12:01:10 Ah, I meant ham radio in general. 12:01:17 See, not only is your low power fighting against you, the weather is too. 12:01:42 With high-power (around 50W to 100W) operation, RF conditions, while noticable, usually don't interrupt communications enough to matter. 12:01:51 But with QRP, you're completely at mother nature's mercy. 12:02:34 Oh, and if you do intend on participating in QRP contacts, you had better learn morse code. :) 12:02:39 *shrug* 12:02:52 Oh, well.. maybe later ;) 12:02:53 Morse code is the furthest reaching, human operated digital mode there is. As a result, it will get your signal further. 12:03:50 Morse code is my favorite mode of operating actually. I enjoy the challenges it presents. 12:03:59 I'm super slow at it though. I Haven't practiced ina long, long time. 12:04:33 I wonder if people who used to do it for a living, ie @ telegraph outposts 12:04:39 dream in morse 12:04:44 Heh. 12:05:46 When I dream that I'm holding a book, I can't read. That's one way to discover I'm not awake :) 12:05:50 Well, I had an interesting dream last night. It does require some background though. 12:06:25 We had some guy walk into the aikido dojo last night, wanting to see an aikido class. 12:06:46 Later on the guy gets up, and asks the sensei, "Is this it? Is this all that you do?" He was apparently expecting punches, kicks, etc. 12:07:07 hehe 12:07:12 did you put him on his arse? =) 12:07:17 Sensei, having had his class thoroughly interrupted, looks at him, and says, "Why don't you come on the mat and train with us? We'll see how much you can take." 12:07:26 He just shook his head and walked out. 12:07:39 Well, in the dream I had, I was up for my 3rd jyu test. 12:07:39 what kind of training was it? 12:07:52 Towards the end of the test, he walked in again, and challenged sensei. 12:08:01 s/jyu/kyu/ 12:08:05 Aikido 12:08:43 Sensei then told him, "No, but I have a better idea. He's up for testing. I'd like to see how he handles himself in a fight." The guy agreed, and walked onto the mat. 12:09:12 By this time, I was too tired to even consider being scared (martial arts tests tend to do that in real life) 12:09:29 So he walks onto the mat, and goes to punch me in traditional hay-maker style. 12:10:23 I do a yokomenuchi iriminage oyowaza, and his head slams into the mat (obviously because he doesn't know how to take the fall). 12:10:33 That's it. Light's out. 12:10:41 End of fight, end of test. 12:10:48 And that's when I woke up. 12:11:34 I never did find out if I passed or not. :D 12:11:42 But my real test is coming up in about a month or two. 12:12:04 interesting 12:13:03 oyowazas are not easy to take falls for, even for me. 12:13:19 Most of my accidents in aikido are with oyowazas. 12:13:39 (oyowaza means "advanced technique", BTW) 12:14:28 i mean what kind of training were you doing 12:14:33 instead of punching or whatever 12:14:42 what kinds of stuff do you do? 12:14:47 movements and such? 12:14:58 I took taekwondo when i was little 12:15:09 we did kicks and stuff, but usually not on anything but air 12:20:29 aikido is a refinement of aikijitsu. 12:20:35 (among other arts, but mostly related) 12:20:58 In aikido, we get off-the-line (in English, "Get the @(#* out of the way!") 12:21:15 So one of our basic techniques is to evade well. 12:21:30 Evading is an art in and of itself, because once you're off the line, you still want HIM to be on YOUR line. 12:21:46 yeah, well, I understand that about aikido 12:22:15 Next, we enter into the technique, which could involve any number of limb or body manipulations -- always take the other's balance. 12:22:39 One of the best ways to do this is to actually blend with the opponent -- do what he's doing ("you and your opponent are one"). 12:22:46 my idea of it is using your opponents energy to your advantage 12:22:51 my impression 12:22:54 It is. 12:22:59 But you do that through blending. 12:22:59 I've been meaning to go to an aikido class and challenge the sensei in a rude and obnoxious manner 12:23:06 lol 12:23:16 maybe your dream is forewarning not to do that 12:23:17 fridge: I invite you to try. It's a very educational experience. 12:23:30 Many of aikido's best shihans actually started their aikido careers that way, actually... :) 12:23:47 fridge: Not to do what? 12:23:51 To test? 12:23:52 I'll test. 12:24:04 If he comes onto the mat, and I feel I'm not ready, I'll walk off. 12:24:19 There's no shame in willfully failing a test to avoid a fight. 12:24:20 hehe, there is a class near my work I have been meaning to go check out 12:24:26 but not be rude =) 12:24:34 Heheh :) 12:24:44 ianni: Seriously, blending is how you use his energy. 12:25:07 ianni: But you still have to take him off balance to do it, otherwise, he can very easily do a reversal on you. 12:26:38 I do need new glasses though. 12:26:44 They got smashed yesterday in aikido. 12:26:46 well it makes sense you wouldnt forcefully grab it but rather will it 12:26:54 I was taking ukemi for someone who is up for shodan testing. 12:26:56 and go with whatever flow around u 12:27:15 ianni: Yup. 12:27:45 Needless to say, the student was a little nervous, and was throwing very, very hard. One technique, he swiped the glasses off my face, and then he stepped on them. 12:27:50 :/ 12:28:03 I bent them back into shape well enough to drive with, but they give me a headache whenever I wear them. 12:28:07 So I need new frames, at least. 12:29:57 Speaking of which, that's what I'll be doing right now. 12:30:26 --- nick: kc5tja -> kc-eyedoc 12:42:57 sucks 12:43:00 mine are broked too 12:49:20 --- join: mur (jukka@baana-62-165-185-147.phnet.fi) joined #forth 13:28:01 --- quit: a7r (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:59:10 glasses for old tired eyes 14:04:36 --- quit: deluxe (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 14:38:43 --- join: TreyB (~trey@cpe-66-87-192-27.tx.sprintbbd.net) joined #forth 14:48:05 --- quit: mur (""Greed has shitty end" --finnish proverb") 14:53:48 --- join: a7r (~a7r@206.72.82.135) joined #forth 15:16:05 --- join: tcn (~tcn@tc3-login45.megatrondata.com) joined #forth 15:54:33 --- nick: kc-eyedoc -> kc5tja 15:54:46 back 15:58:06 howdy 15:59:24 My eyesight apparently got very slightly better since my last eye exam. 15:59:48 No longer am I 20/250 -- I'm not 20/248. :) 15:59:52 s/not/now 16:02:23 --- quit: Klaw () 16:03:36 that's within the margin of error :) 16:03:49 anyway, better than my eyesight 16:04:51 The measurement was consistent across several different machines. 16:05:20 The astigmatism in my right eye smoothed itself out a little bit over time. 16:05:28 The left eye is still just as bad though. 16:07:22 Everything farther than ~10cm away is blurry. :| 16:07:46 Robert: That's close to my focal point too. 16:08:06 Actually, I'm a bit worse. 16:08:31 oh, that's about like mine then 16:08:32 But not by much. 16:08:48 I was about 20/200 when they discovered I was nearsighted :) 16:09:03 They discovered I was nearsighted when I was 4 years old. 16:09:13 I couldn't read the clock on the wall without going up to it. 16:09:22 And even then, I had to squint. 16:09:47 I was 8 or 9.. i dunno HOW i did ok in school, but I did.. it was like a whole new world when I got glasses :) 16:10:01 I think I was 7 or something... couldn't read the text lines on the TV :) 16:10:34 the teacher probably noticed me squinting to read the chalkboard 16:10:34 * Robert remembers watching Skippy _almost_ seeing what they said. 16:10:59 I did of course not know any English back then.. and even now I prefer to read the subtitles before listening. 16:11:07 * kc5tja never heard of Skippy. 16:11:25 Good for you ;) 16:12:27 heh 16:12:41 If I have kids, I hope they aren't afflicted with such a horrible genetic defect. 16:15:03 well, i've tried on my dad's glasses, and my grandma's. same prescription! 16:15:33 Mine were getting worse for a long time. 16:15:40 Hopefully, this improvement in vision will continue. 16:16:00 In the meantime, ColorForth, with its hhuuggee characters, is looking mighty appealing to me now. :) 16:16:01 Skippy must be a British Barney or something awful like that 16:16:29 Barney isn't so bad -- there are worse things. 16:17:06 Teletubbies come to mind . . 16:17:19 and Lassie. 16:17:58 at least lassie wasn't a big purple dog 16:33:03 Well, I'm going to go. I have a meeting to attend in an hour, and I need to get food still. 16:35:52 yeah, see ya 16:36:01 --- quit: tcn ("TinyIRC 1.1") 16:36:09 --- quit: kc5tja ("THX QSO ES 73 DE KC5TJA/6 CL ES QRT AR SK") 18:19:05 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@207.111.96.167) joined #forth 18:19:05 --- mode: ChanServ set +o TheBlueWizard 18:19:13 hiya all 18:24:42 gotta go...bye all 18:24:45 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 18:25:23 --- quit: fridge (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:37:32 --- join: fridge (~matt@dsl-203-33-160-107.NSW.netspace.net.au) joined #forth 18:37:39 what is a good forth environment for OS X? 18:40:39 I tried Mops 18:42:25 well I tried to run mops 18:42:29 it needs classic env 18:42:32 which I don't have 19:11:45 --- quit: TreyB () 19:15:25 --- join: snowrichard (~chatzilla@c66.190.103.110.ts46v-01.mrshll.tx.charter.com) joined #forth 19:18:34 --- join: Sonarman (~matt@adsl-63-196-0-135.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 19:19:38 --- quit: snowrichard ("ChatZilla 0.8.23 [Mozilla rv:1.3/20030603]") 19:21:17 --- join: a7r_ (~a7r@206.72.82.135) joined #forth 21:14:29 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@ip68-8-206-137.sd.sd.cox.net) joined #forth 21:14:29 --- mode: ChanServ set +o kc5tja 21:23:57 --- quit: a7r_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21:26:21 --- join: a7r_ (~a7r@206.72.82.135) joined #forth 22:34:14 --- quit: kc5tja ("[x]chat") 22:47:20 --- quit: Sonarman ("leaving") 23:02:42 --- join: Serg_Penguin (Serg_Pengu@212.34.52.142) joined #forth 23:02:49 --- quit: Serg_Penguin (Client Quit) 23:11:15 --- quit: sifbot (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 23:51:03 --- join: rsnow1 (~rsnow1@c66.190.103.110.ts46v-01.mrshll.tx.charter.com) joined #forth 23:51:11 hello 23:51:17 --- nick: rsnow1 -> snowrichard 23:54:53 --- part: snowrichard left #forth 23:57:35 --- join: Jim7J1AJH (~jwt@n1.dskk.co.jp) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/03.06.05