00:00:00 --- log: started forth/03.06.01 03:30:20 --- quit: Fractal (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:01:59 --- join: mur (murr@baana-62-165-186-239.phnet.fi) joined #forth 09:30:15 --- join: tcn (~tcn@tc1-login14.megatrondata.com) joined #forth 09:41:25 --- quit: tcn ("TinyIRC 1.1") 09:55:14 --- join: thin (futhin@dial-16.ocis.net) joined #forth 09:55:14 --- mode: ChanServ set +o thin 10:00:14 aLL YOUR FORTH ARE BELONG TO US 10:02:12 --- quit: thin ("ONCE UPON A TIME") 10:06:37 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@ip68-8-206-137.sd.sd.cox.net) joined #forth 10:06:37 --- mode: ChanServ set +o kc5tja 10:14:53 Hi. 10:17:30 re 10:17:41 --- join: V[3]tr0 (~dodo@ppp-94-157.25-151.libero.it) joined #forth 10:18:44 --- quit: V[3]tr0 (Client Quit) 10:19:24 --- join: dan_ (dan@pcp053555pcs.brlngt01.nj.comcast.net) joined #forth 10:19:31 --- part: dan_ left #forth 10:19:34 --- join: dan_ (dan@pcp053555pcs.brlngt01.nj.comcast.net) joined #forth 10:19:56 --- nick: dan_ -> jstahuman 10:34:14 --- quit: mur ("MURR!") 10:36:36 --- nick: kc5tja -> kc-afk 11:39:12 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@pc64dn1d.ppp.fcc.net) joined #forth 11:39:13 --- mode: ChanServ set +o TheBlueWizard 11:39:18 hiya all 11:40:12 hey 11:40:55 hiya jstahuman 11:44:33 Hi :) 11:46:22 hiya Robert :) 12:04:18 --- join: a7r (~a7r@206.72.82.135) joined #forth 12:04:23 sup 12:05:02 Hi a7r 12:05:33 hiya a7r 12:06:19 hey all :) 12:07:58 hiya paxl :) 12:13:33 TheBlueWizard: what up ? 12:13:50 nothing much...checking on web news and stuff 12:15:16 good.. hey do you know if there is common app that we use that are designed into forth ? 12:15:24 or that a 'forgotten' language ? 12:16:09 not that I know of... 12:16:48 --- join: thin (futhin@dial-205.ocis.net) joined #forth 12:16:48 --- mode: ChanServ set +o thin 12:17:47 hiya thin 12:18:03 ok 12:18:42 * paxl is learning dvorak keyboard 12:18:56 pretty hard.. but realy better that qwerty 12:19:27 paxl: give it a day or two :P 12:19:57 paxl: I use bootloaders that are designed in Forth. I'm pretty happy that they work. :) 12:20:00 thin: are u using dvorakg ? 12:20:58 nope 12:22:12 paxl: I do, from time to time. 12:22:21 i tried it out for an hour, it was hard without having the letters on the keyboard, but i was on my way to adapting it.. prolly could've been typing fully in dvorak within 2-3 days 12:22:42 with minimum mistakes 12:22:45 thin: I adapt my keyboard to be dvorak :) 12:22:54 I changed the touch of place :) 12:23:13 so .. I should put one days or two and I would be fully dvorak 12:23:42 a7r: what kind of bootloader that you said is written in Forth? 12:24:03 OpenFirmware and OpenBoot.. 12:24:10 on all my Macintoshes, and my Sun. 12:24:45 ah 12:25:07 paxl: yeah, it shouldn't be that hard to switch to it.. i don't even think it would be hard to switch between dvorak and qwerty keyboards constantly ;) 12:26:01 thin: no because you know virtualy all method in you mind :) 12:33:58 * paxl return to learn forth :) 12:34:12 paxl: what are you using to learn forth? 12:34:34 paxl: i recommend the pygmy tutor (for dos) 12:37:17 --- quit: thin ("gtg") 12:41:51 http://www.xs4all.nl/~thebeez/ForthPrimer/Forth_primer.html << I use this 12:41:54 + that 12:42:00 http://www.forthfreak.net/dpans/index.html 12:42:08 I'm in linux 12:42:11 with gforth 12:48:47 oupps.. thin is out :) 12:49:03 gotta go...bye all! 12:49:05 I really like pforth 12:49:09 TheBlueWizard: late 12:49:17 bye a7r 12:49:21 bye TheBlueWizard 12:49:26 bye paxl 12:49:33 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 13:02:04 --- join: divgrad (~wer@81.25.33.159) joined #forth 13:07:50 --- part: divgrad left #forth 13:13:59 --- nick: kc-afk -> kc5tja 13:38:24 --- nick: kc5tja -> kc-food 13:42:19 --- quit: a7r (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14:24:25 --- join: Fractal (lsdyt@new.cure.for.SARS.found.to.be.strongLSD.com) joined #forth 14:27:09 --- nick: kc-food -> kc5tja 15:11:22 --- join: thin (futhin@dial-207.ocis.net) joined #forth 15:11:22 --- mode: ChanServ set +o thin 15:11:29 hi kc5tja 15:11:44 re 15:22:32 --- quit: jstahuman ("leaving") 16:04:02 --- join: futhin (futhin@dial-201.ocis.net) joined #forth 16:04:17 --- quit: thin (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: futhin!futhin@dial-201.ocis.net))) 16:04:19 --- nick: futhin -> thin 16:04:23 --- mode: ChanServ set +o thin 16:06:57 Heh 16:10:18 --- join: futhin (futhin@dial-142.ocis.net) joined #forth 16:10:40 egads. You're just not having much luck today, are you? 16:11:06 * kc5tja was pondering creating my first ColorForth for AmigaOS earlier today, while running errands. 16:11:52 heh :) 16:12:01 --- quit: thin (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: futhin!futhin@dial-142.ocis.net))) 16:12:03 --- nick: futhin -> thin 16:12:15 my problems should be over, for now :P 16:12:30 kc5tja: which version of amigaos? 16:12:51 AmigaOS 1.3 through 3.9. 16:13:04 1.2 actually; I won't be using anything that is 1.3-specific. 16:13:39 which versions do you have setup right now? 16:13:55 I only have 2.04. 16:14:04 that's your amiag 500? 16:14:09 er, amiga 16:14:32 Yes 16:14:59 But the code my compiler would produce would work across the entire classic product line. 16:15:10 yep 16:15:24 what language is AmigaOS coded in? 16:15:32 C and assembly language. 16:15:54 The dos.library itself was originally coded in BCPL, but they since rewrote it in C. 16:16:26 * kc5tja isn't sure how to handle block storage though. 16:16:37 if I even want to deal with blocks, for that matter. 16:19:39 * thin nods 16:20:11 what kind of filesystem does AmigaOS have? 16:20:31 What do you mean? 16:21:18 is it special in any way? 16:21:39 nevermind 16:21:40 Not particularly. 16:22:09 It's a normal filesystem; filenames can have up to 32 characters in their names, hierarchial directories, et. al. 16:22:20 yeah 16:22:22 RWED permissions (Read, Write, Execute, Delete), single user. 16:29:24 --- nick: kc5tja -> kc-nap 16:41:25 my attempts to troll #osdev are failing miserably 16:41:43 particularly because I said I was going to troll, and particularly because I'm not in the mood 16:41:54 * thin waves his fist in #osdev's direction 17:22:44 --- nick: kc-nap -> kc5tja 17:23:37 Why would you troll #osdev anyway? 17:24:36 something that i do for fun sometimes. i like to make fun of them coding their OSes in C and other things.. 17:24:43 plus i'm an op in #osdev 17:25:12 i just typed up a little intro to forth 17:25:14 and pasted it in #osdev 17:25:17 i'll paste it here 17:25:34 Lemme tell you guys about a programming language. 17:25:35 It is lower-level than C, but at the same time, it has higher-level features of interactivity and unlimited extensibility to the language itself. New compiler commands can be added to the language with ease, and everytime you code in this language you extend the language. 17:25:35 Additionally, it can be faster than C. It is a tool that helps good programmers to find the simpler and more efficient solutions. It is an integrated solution - the compiler, editor, and cli are all integrated into the language. There are CPUs that have a smaller version of this language as the assembly language. 17:25:35 Imagine one layer of interface between the programmer/user of the computer and the computer itself. Imagine the language extending from the assembly language all the way to a high-level scripting language for non-programmers, the gui and apps being part of the language, and the gui graphics api being similar to a language that has already been proven in the real world. 17:25:57 everybody is idling on #osdev so i haven't gotten any comments yet 17:27:48 hmmm . .. 17:28:19 i figured i could covert this intro to an intro for the site maybe :P 17:28:29 except i already have another intro somewhere 17:28:30 half done 17:29:55 I don't have any opinions of the above answer to "what is Forth?" 17:30:05 I think that is just one of many, many possible answers. 17:31:05 Uhgh...I'm still not awake. The nap really didn't help, except to give me a slight, "You've overslept"-type of headache. 17:31:31 ouch 17:31:33 gotta hate that 17:31:39 get some protein in your stomach maybe 17:31:48 or jump around for a few minutes :P 17:31:53 I already had plenty of protein earlier today. 17:32:20 OK, I'm off to the GIF-UK site. 17:32:21 err 17:32:23 FIG-UK site. 17:32:24 :) 17:32:35 okay, maybe that'll wake you up :P 17:32:38 Should I be doing this today? 17:33:30 well you don't have to, it's only if we want to get some articles to make our site look like it has content, but we can just work on articles our selves instead of getting content that's already out there.. 17:37:41 afk, supper 17:38:42 OK 18:10:19 back 18:56:50 --- join: sifbot (~sifforth@h000393730de4.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 18:56:50 Type sifbot: (or /msg sifbot to play in private) 18:57:34 sifbot: write an article for the site or else! :P 18:57:35 thin: Word not found: write 18:57:48 what!?! you don't know how to write? 18:58:02 sifbot hates you. :) 18:59:59 i don't like sifbot either :P 19:00:26 :) 19:00:28 sifbot is a useless forth bot, doesn't have enough functionality to be useful for demonstrating forth code to newbies 19:00:37 and doesn't have very many words 20:11:37 --- quit: kc5tja ("THX QSO ES 73 DE KC5TJA/6 CL ES QRT AR SK") 21:13:29 --- quit: thin ("laters") 21:22:02 --- quit: sifbot (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 21:39:50 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@ip68-8-206-137.sd.sd.cox.net) joined #forth 21:39:50 --- mode: ChanServ set +o kc5tja 22:19:39 --- join: Serg_Penguin (Serg_Pengu@212.34.52.142) joined #forth 22:20:39 hi 22:20:46 just 4 a few mins 22:21:16 i started to write my text parser 22:21:38 if only i'll manage to catch EOF of input stream, it will be functional 22:22:19 Howdy :) 22:22:25 see: 22:23:03 : } ASCII { WORD COUNT TYPE EOL? ?; QUERY RE ; 22:23:11 ?; is conditional EXIT 22:23:24 RE is GOTO to start of word 22:23:40 * kc5tja nods 22:23:49 QUERY doesn't know how to handle EOF it seems. 22:24:06 all parser - one line ! 22:24:36 text is between } {, Forth cod - between { } 22:24:50 so how can i catch EOF ? 22:24:58 my Forth has no REFILL :( 22:25:21 * Serg_Penguin caught a cold instead of EOF 22:25:33 I'm not sure -- that's usually Forth-environment-specific. 22:25:54 this nite Moscow was hit by hurricane, and all week be4 weather was terrific 22:25:58 In Unix, you would test the stdin (or input file handle) for an end of file, but only if the Forth environment lets you know what the input filehandle is. 22:26:02 !! 22:26:17 i'm in MSDOS 22:26:27 Forgive me; I'm not up on world affairs, and I grew up during cold war times. 22:26:37 I've never heard of Moscow ever getting hurricanes before. 22:26:41 I hope everything is OK there. 22:26:54 * Serg_Penguin writes 4 weak boxes coz lotsa them work in RU 22:27:12 * kc5tja nods 22:27:24 not real tropic hurricane, but some trees and air power/phone lines were eradicated 22:27:26 * kc5tja brought out his Amiga 500 from storage the other day. 7MHz 68000-based CPU. 22:29:12 kewl ! what's it's OS response time ? 22:29:33 * Serg_Penguin seen how 68030 Mac has beaten my P IV by this parameter 22:30:17 depends. 22:30:30 For user interface rendering, it's slower than my PC. 22:30:36 But for response, it's instantaneous. 22:30:55 seems like good sheduler :) 22:31:03 It's every bit as fast as my Athlon-powered Linux box. And as far as multitasking is concerned, it's smoother and more predictable than Linux. 22:31:20 AmigaOS's executive is derived from VMS. 22:31:25 or, at least, inspired by it. 22:31:30 --- join: bwb (~bwb@ip68-4-121-108.oc.oc.cox.net) joined #forth 22:31:33 re bwb 22:31:34 * Serg_Penguin never loaded Linux to an extreme 22:31:37 hey kc 22:31:57 so, who's interested in my parser ? 22:32:09 will one put it to use and 4 what purpose ? 22:32:19 I don't have any need for it right at the moment. 22:32:28 * kc5tja is still trying to hack away at his own Forth implementation. 22:32:45 I was going to spend some time working on the #forth website, then on my FS/Forth implementation, but I didn't get to either. 22:32:53 how's that comming? 22:33:00 It parses words. 22:33:10 But that's it right now. 22:33:12 ah 22:33:20 can't CREATE them? 22:33:25 Plus you can have any number of parsers. 22:33:31 well ALLOT for that matter 22:33:31 It has no interpreter to CREATE them with. 22:33:37 oh 22:33:42 It *just* parses words. No interpretter yet. 22:33:45 That's coming though. 22:33:46 right 22:34:10 i'm leaving to work up at camp in 5 days 22:34:11 I'm starting to think that even my minimal Forth environment is too complex though (amazingly enough). But I'll see it through to the end, and retrofit afterwards. 22:34:22 Cool. :-) 22:34:30 be gone 11 weeks 22:35:17 Sweet. 22:35:44 In the future, I might volunteer to help teach kids some physics and maybe a little bit of aikido at my friend's homeschool. 22:35:57 cool 22:36:02 what ages? 22:36:10 Teens, mostly. 22:36:18 younger or older? 22:36:23 I don't think I can handle anyone younger than about 12. 22:36:37 * bwb teaching.. and directing other ppl to teach.. about 50 to 100 10 to 12 year olds per *week* 22:36:38 I don't know. 22:36:55 That's the key, I think: you learn so you can teach others how to teach. 22:37:16 yeah 22:37:54 last year I taught nature merit badges.. namely weather, reptile and amphibian study, mammal study and nature... 22:38:03 which I didn't have a very big background in any of them 22:38:15 The question is, did YOU learn from the experience? 22:38:27 so of course I taught what was "in the book" but.. still would have like to have more knowledge on the subjects... 22:38:29 yes of course 22:38:35 Then it was a success. 22:38:49 so this year i'm just doing basic rank requirements.. variety of subjects that I actually know about.. 22:38:55 Teachers who stop learning themselves, stop teaching. 22:39:13 did one ever teched Forth to newbies/kids ? 22:39:14 everything from knots and pioneering to first-aid... swimming.. plant/animal identification.. hiking and orienteering.. knives... fires.. 22:39:25 I need to learn about knots. 22:39:25 :/ 22:39:42 this is all stuff I wish I did as a kid. :( 22:39:51 * Serg_Penguin ties knots of foul words then angry :) 22:39:51 :( 22:39:59 Serg_Penguin: Heheh :) 22:40:06 kc5tja: stuff every kid should do.. fire :) knives :) 22:40:14 rifles :) 22:40:18 And comraderey(sp?). 22:40:23 camp skills of course too 22:40:34 yes altho... that isn't always as strong as it appears from the outside 22:40:55 Serg_Penguin: We have shotguns there too.. Merit Badge of course.. not for younger scouts... 22:41:04 Heh, throw their butts into basic military training -- it will then. :D 22:41:10 maybe black powedered rifles... oh and tamahawks 22:41:11 2 girls of mine are _snipers_ 22:41:16 (mini-axes you throw) 22:41:35 Snipers?! Egads 22:41:39 not been at war but know the damn thing well ;) 22:41:48 * bwb not big.. well not at all.. into guns tho 22:41:58 I love guns. 22:42:06 But you absolutely must respect them. 22:42:11 Just as one would respect a sword. 22:42:25 * kc5tja loves swords too. :) 22:42:31 I actually like swords more than I like guns. 22:42:42 have rifling merit badge.. and of course its sometimes fun to walk around with an air pellet gun and shoot ppl (I mean not randomly.. but in a game or something).. but overall not really into guns 22:43:03 altho then again both my parents are anti-gun for the most part so 22:43:23 My parents are neither anti-gun nor pro-gun. They're very level-headed about them. 22:43:28 I have knives tho :) tho not trendy dangerous cool-looking but cheap knives.. just good knives that work 22:43:34 I just wish they were level-headed about most other things too. :) 22:43:59 my damn mom says 'gimme a pistol i'll waste that damn neighbours' ;(((( 22:44:08 guns are illegal here 22:44:13 kc5tja: heh 22:44:36 damn kids that walk around with "cool-looking" cheap knives that are flimsy and dangerous 22:44:39 Serg_Penguin: Guns are illegal here too, or so it seems. With each passing year, more and more and more guns are placed on the banned list. 22:45:07 or even worse stilletos (which they call switch blades) that have about an inch swing on the tip of the blade ("made in mexico") 22:45:51 * Serg_Penguin doesn't belive in guns as self-defence 22:46:03 I do, when it's called for. 22:46:25 have you any experience w/ this ? 22:46:30 * kc5tja used to live in between two bars, and there were a number of times when we got our home's windows blown out by sawed-off shotguns and assult rifles. 22:46:45 ouch 22:46:51 There's nothing more dangerous than a bunch of rivaling drunks with very powerful weapons. 22:47:04 Having a drug-house across the street didn't help either, though they were more quiet than the bars. 22:47:08 aye to that 22:47:16 did you, or friends, ever defended self w/ a gun ? 22:47:40 I was too young at the time, but my dad did. 22:47:56 Shot one of the drunks in the shin. 22:48:04 Not to kill, but to disable. 22:48:13 Like I said, my parents are very level-headed when it comes to guns. 22:48:34 assault rifles ? ones what fire chains ? they are legal at your place ? even AK-47 ? 22:48:41 why not tazer or rubber pellet guns or something else that would disable but harder to kill someone with? 22:49:20 M-16s are legal, as long as you pull out the repeater pin. But, c'mon -- it's trivially easy to put the pin back in. 22:49:38 AK-47s are legal here too, also as long as the repeater pin is pulled out. 22:49:56 oops mispaste 22:50:13 bwb: Because they don't work as good. People get used to being shot with pellets, and they get right back up and continue firing. 22:50:21 When they're on the ground bleeding, well, then we have their attention. 22:50:40 If someone waves a gun in my face, and i have a gun, you better damn well believe I *WILL* shoot him first. No questions asked. 22:50:49 kc5tja: yes.. trying to think of something that would be equally effective against drunks and people that are really high.. hmm 22:50:51 There's no TIME to ask questions. 22:51:32 But to pull a gun on someone threatening you with a knife is rediculous. 22:51:38 wonder what happen if you made a benzocaine spray 22:51:40 For those, use a stick. 22:51:44 It works better anyway. 22:51:56 I don't know what benzocaine is. 22:52:01 s/what/what would/ 22:52:09 to numb things 22:52:12 like novacaine 22:52:31 I don't see hwo that would help. 22:52:50 well they would start not feeling things on there skin 22:52:52 i dunno 22:53:10 * Serg_Penguin playing Thief, not Postal 2, in real life 22:53:10 I personally do not believe that would have any appreciable effect. 22:53:18 yeah I guess not externally.. 22:53:33 was trying to figure out a way that would give the effect like there limb doesn't work 22:53:39 so i better avoid threat than fire chain-shot-gun 22:53:59 Serg_Penguin: Heheh 22:54:07 here in RU, AK-47-like chaingun is produced 22:54:24 rumours are what people add repeater to it ;( 22:54:30 * kc5tja likes AK-47s. They fire slow, but they're damn accurate and very comfortable to hold. 22:54:51 s/chaingun/shotgun/ 22:55:02 * kc5tja can't fire a shotgun. 22:55:08 It'll blow my shoulder out. :/ 22:55:10 but people do s/shotgun/chaingun/ ;(( 22:55:35 what gauge ? 22:55:42 Pretty much any guage. 22:55:49 even 20 ? 22:56:02 When I fire a .45 rifle, it hurts. :) 22:56:20 bullet mass\speed ? 22:56:25 I have no idea. 22:56:35 kc5tja: How bad is kickback? 22:56:39 I havn't fired shotgun before 22:56:55 on 20 22:57:04 Neither have I. But I've seen a friend of mine shoot one once, and I was like, "No *#$&#* way am I firing that thing!" 22:57:30 The kick on the shotgun was enough to push him back a few centimeters. 22:57:31 any idea about blackpowder rifle? 22:57:43 Nope. 22:58:00 might have to fire them at camp.. scoutcraft director is thinking of bringing them back along with mountain man program 22:58:01 I fired my dad's flint-lock pistol once ... that was a mistake. 22:58:06 heh 22:58:10 Smacked myself in the forehead with the barrel of the gun. 22:58:23 heh 22:58:44 here in RU bad hunters fire 12 gauge pump-guns as fast as Uzi ;( 22:59:01 or as fast as mechanism allows 22:59:20 We have people here that do that too. 22:59:29 One of the most impressive guns I've ever seen, though, was a 30-30. 22:59:36 30-30 ? 22:59:36 Holy cow, that was a mega-powerful gun. 22:59:48 also known as a 30-ought-30. 23:00:07 It's a regular rifle. Not sure how big it is. 23:00:15 But I've seen rounds go through engine blocks. 23:00:21 THROUGH engine blocks. 23:00:34 ?? 23:00:39 It's used as a sniper rifle in the U.S. Marine Corp. 23:00:46 I know that much. 23:00:48 what engine ? what blocks ? 23:01:05 An engine block is the part that holds the engien cylinders. 23:01:40 and what it has in common w/ rounds ? 23:01:41 This was a four-cylinder engine of some kind. Not skimpy, but still, that's an awfully thick hunk of aluminum to punch through. 23:02:25 I don't understand your last question. 23:02:55 how gun rounds are related to car engine ? 23:03:01 * Serg_Penguin feels weird 23:03:03 The bullet and shells are, combined, 3 inches long though. 23:03:15 OK, imagine firing a gun. 23:03:20 The bullet leaves the barrel of the gun. 23:03:25 ok 23:03:26 The bullet impacts the front surface of the engine. 23:03:34 The bullet leaves the rear surface of the engine. 23:03:51 damn, i got it !!!!! 23:04:04 for me, _bullets_ go throug..... 23:04:17 _rounds_ are _before_ they are fired !!!! 23:05:01 The bullets themselves aren't that big -- maybe close in size to a .45 bullet. But the rounds themselves are 76mm long, and I'd wager about 12mm in diameter. 23:05:20 In other words, the bullets are backed by a *LOT* of horsepower. 23:05:27 round is 'bottle'+bullet+powder+capsule 23:05:32 * kc5tja nods 23:05:47 I'm trying to use your terms for these -- we use slightly different terms. 23:05:58 For us, a round and bullet are the same thing. 23:06:08 A "shell" is the bottle/buttet/powder/etc. 23:06:21 a-a-h ! 23:06:50 * Serg_Penguin was thinking 'bottle' = shell 23:07:08 or shell = heavier , artillery, explosive 'bullet' 23:07:33 President John F. Kennedey was shot with a 30-0-30, IIRC. The doctors who reported on the scene said he had no brain left. The bullet liquified everything in his skull, and it just spewed out the two holes the bullet created. 23:08:03 He literally didn't know what hit him. 23:08:24 kennedy is bitch 23:08:35 he nearly blown world on nuke 23:08:44 Because he was fed inaccurate information. 23:08:53 and their fu... clan killed Marylin Monroe ;( 23:09:08 There's a lot of evidence to suggest all that was staged. 23:09:47 Our government is so fucked up, and President George "Dubya" Bush is just the latest in a long line of "leaders" who exist to coupe the government. 23:10:02 dubya :) 23:10:10 dubya ? 23:10:17 Well, what do you expect? Our own president doesn't even know how to pronounce the letter W. 23:10:21 Frigging moron. 23:10:30 saw a rally with some old black guy once.. loved how he kept refering to bush as "dub-ya" 23:10:45 He has single handedly done more damage to America's world-wide perception as a monster than any other single president. 23:10:53 "I have a prescription for dub-ya!" 23:11:00 yes 23:11:06 fscked up national relations 23:11:12 4 me, sounds like 'doob' (RU) = oak (head) = fool 23:11:15 I am embarrassed to be an American now, because of him. 23:11:23 4 year olds talk faster then him 23:11:40 ROTF! I like that!! 23:11:49 Serg_Penguin: Heh, you know, that's all too pertinent. :) 23:12:09 pertinent ? 23:12:17 Related; holds direct relavence. 23:12:25 ok 23:12:28 kc5tja: he hasn't even been outta the US much, has he? 23:12:33 No. 23:12:46 I haven't heard one story where he ever visited the troops in Iraq or Pakistan. 23:12:54 err. Afghanistan. 23:13:08 I don't even mean visiting troops.. just outta the country in general.. actually seen other nations 23:13:15 Oh, I don't know. 23:13:25 I'll admit, though, I am untraveled. I just can't afford to travel. 23:13:43 Folks in Europe have such a wonderful and rich set of countries that they can all visit, effectively for free, compared to us. :( 23:13:53 probably he considers them 'untermensch' not worth a visit ;( 23:14:00 We have Canada to visit (expensive because of air travel) and Mexico, which is corrupt beyond comprehension. 23:15:07 kc5tja: well your not president tho.. or in any form of government that deals with other countries 23:15:11 I really wanna travel tho 23:15:18 backpack thru europe or something 23:15:46 * Serg_Penguin has to go 23:16:09 * kc5tja wants to see the native American ruins in Arizona and New Mexico. But I really want to visit Japan and practice aikido in the Aikido Hombu dojo. Then I want to travel to Germany and Italy next, as those are my ancestor's countries. 23:16:28 OK, Serg_Penguin -- thanks for the chat. 23:16:41 Serg_Penguin: cya 23:17:10 kc5tja: yes.. seeing anasazi runes would be cool... 23:17:32 japan is someplace I would like to go (but prolly cause of iron chef and anime (neon genesis evangelion) :/) 23:17:34 It would be cool if we could go on a night of full-moon, to see all the shadows line up on the rocks and what not. :) 23:17:47 bwb: Nahh, I'm more into the martial arts aspect. 23:17:56 ah they line up? don't know much about it 23:18:01 But I did watch "Spirited Away" today. AAAWWWEEESSSOOOMMMEEE anime. I love it to death. 23:18:33 Yeah. The Anasazi were one of the few native Americans that concentrated on the moon instead of the sun or the stars. 23:18:40 martial arts something I need to study sometime... I should meditate too.. 23:18:47 ah 23:18:58 hmm I need to see Spirted Away... 23:19:06 kc5tja: Have you seen/heard-about evangelion? 23:19:12 yes 23:19:22 people either love it or think it is full of bs or don't get it. 23:19:38 * Serg_Penguin wants to go Germany and see real U-boat inside ;) 23:19:39 I'm both -- I simply don't get it, but it's cool all the same. :) 23:19:51 cool 23:19:59 Heheh 23:20:04 U-boats would be interesting. 23:20:11 I don't get to watch it except while at camp.. (people have full tv series on DVD.. and the movies).. 23:20:14 I've never been on a military submarine before. 23:20:19 unterseeboats 23:20:32 bwb: ?!?!?!? What kind of camp is this place? 23:20:42 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 23:20:44 Shouldn't camp eschew the modern amenities of life? :) 23:20:52 kc5tja: oh.. staff get cabins (well wood things with a tarp over it).. but they do have electricity in them 23:21:10 A tarp?! 23:21:10 :) 23:21:11 not for staff.. closer to living at college minus studying :) 23:21:12 ROTF 23:21:20 Cool. 23:21:21 :) 23:21:37 tvs, dvd players, vcrs, video game systems (x-box's...) 23:21:44 even have a cell site close by so cell phone access 23:22:19 not really nice cabins or anything... not like glass windows or anything.. just 12 by 12 wooden box with one of those blue tarps overhead (nailed to top of walls) 23:23:02 for campers it is those canvas tent cabins and stuff.. nothing modern for them.. 23:23:12 but completly different expierence as staff 23:23:51