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01:13:53 <deluxe> bon jour
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05:19:07 <Speuler> forthforth v16 uploaded.   pictured number output, s" ." ," added
05:19:30 <Speuler> www.forthfreak.net/forthforth
05:19:35 <Robert> :)
05:19:38 <Robert> Morning
05:19:49 <Speuler> morning rob
05:20:05 <Speuler> you got heavy clouds up there
05:20:31 <Speuler> there's more coming
05:20:54 * Speuler have been collected sat image for the last few days, and made an avi from
05:21:15 <Speuler> you get heavy stuff from the south
05:22:31 <Robert> Great.
05:22:38 <Robert> Sunshine is annoying ;)
05:22:40 <Speuler> 66 images as far. one per hour
05:22:47 <Robert> Cool. From where?
05:23:00 <Speuler> http://www.wettersat.de/d2.gif
05:23:16 <Speuler> http://www.wettersat.de/c23.gif
05:23:58 <Speuler> the avi is about 5.3 mb as far
05:24:02 <Robert> UTC, what time zone is that?
05:24:08 <Speuler> universal
05:24:17 <Speuler> gmt
05:25:18 <Speuler> that white stuff over sweden is all pushing northwards
05:25:29 <Speuler> t'is spreading out there
05:25:37 <Speuler> and more from the south comes in
05:26:12 <Speuler> i can put the movie on-line if you like
05:26:42 <Robert> Yeah, thanks.
05:27:02 <Robert> Hmm.. how do you make it?
05:27:07 <Speuler> takes a while
05:27:37 <Speuler> written a script which converts gif to jpg, then call mencoder to make an avi
05:28:10 <Robert> A script? You mean you're calling convert or something, or converting manually?
05:29:36 <Speuler> FPS=10
05:29:36 <Speuler> if [ ! -z $1 ] ; then
05:29:36 <Speuler>    FPS=$1
05:29:36 <Speuler> fi
05:29:37 <Speuler> I=0
05:29:39 <Speuler> while [ -f pic0$I.jpg ] ; do
05:29:41 <Speuler>    (( I++ ))
05:29:43 <Speuler> done
05:29:47 <Speuler> while [ -f pic0$I.gif ] ; do
05:29:49 <Speuler>    giftopnm pic0$I.gif | pnmtojpeg > pic0$I.jpg
05:29:51 <Speuler>   (( I++ ))
05:29:53 <Speuler> done
05:29:59 <Speuler> I=10
05:30:03 <Speuler> while [ -f pic$I.jpg ] ; do
05:30:05 <Speuler>    (( I++ ))
05:30:07 <Speuler> done
05:30:11 <Speuler> while [ -f pic$I.gif ] ; do
05:30:13 <Speuler>    giftopnm pic$I.gif | pnmtojpeg > pic$I.jpg
05:30:15 <Speuler>   (( I++ ))
05:30:17 <Speuler> done
05:30:21 <Speuler> mencoder \*.jpg -mf on:fps=$FPS -o wetter.avi -ovc lavc
05:30:40 <Speuler> 50 % uploaded
05:31:07 <Robert> OK.
05:31:23 <Robert> convert file.gif jpg:file.jpg  ;)
05:31:51 <Speuler> those are numbered
05:32:16 <Speuler> pic00.gif pic01.gif pic02.gif ...
05:32:18 <Robert> Okay, but you could use the same thing there...
05:32:27 <Robert> Not an important issue anyway.
05:33:12 <Speuler> first i check what has already been converted. no need to convert again
05:33:12 <Speuler> then i convert the new gif to jpg
05:33:39 <Speuler> twice because arithmetic do  9 -> 10 , but file names are 09 -> 10
05:34:13 <Speuler> you simplify, you send me a copy, ok ?
05:35:04 <Speuler> www.forthfreak.net/wetter.avi
05:36:21 <Speuler> tathi: you start it by typing  "run"
05:38:55 <Robert> I don't even know bash :)
05:39:07 <Robert> ...and you're writing a Forth in it. So I trust you on this one.
05:39:20 <Speuler> since bashforth i'm a black belt basher
05:41:47 <Speuler> oh. "sign" with pictured number output works differently than standard
05:42:14 <Speuler> -1234   <# sign sign  # #  sign  #s  sign  #>   type    
05:42:14 <Speuler> that would be legal
05:45:55 <Speuler> also, there's no conversion buffer used (often under pad)
05:46:04 <Speuler> pictured number conversion takes place on the stack
05:46:17 <Speuler> only #> copies asciis to memory
05:46:34 <tathi> Speuler: start what? forthforth?
05:46:37 <Speuler> i usually write it that way
05:46:42 <Speuler> tathi: yes
05:48:13 <Speuler> will tackle  leave  +loop  catch throw   with next version
05:48:24 <tathi> you've been busy :)
05:48:42 <Speuler> not really. here and there an hour or two
05:49:15 <tathi> true, forths are pretty quick to write
05:49:38 <Speuler> compare: bashforth took me 3 days to compile colon words. forthforth a month ...
05:50:11 <Speuler> but on bashforth i worked day and night, for the first days :)
05:50:19 <Speuler> not on forthforth
05:50:36 <Speuler> even moved the office to another location in between
05:51:45 <Speuler> but it was bashforth v16 which could compile colon words, compared to v13 of forthforth
05:52:26 <tathi> so do you have a use for forthforth, or is it just for fun?
05:52:49 <Speuler> several purposes
05:52:57 <Speuler> fun too of course
05:53:24 <Speuler> 1. getting to learn about potential complications with byte-token threading
05:53:52 <Speuler> 2. getting a platform together which may serve as experience-base for commonforth
05:54:08 <Speuler> 3. sandboxing a forth interpreter
05:54:15 <Speuler> (cgi, bots etc)
05:56:40 <Speuler> did you notice that the vm of forthforth doesn't use any variables ?
05:57:33 <Speuler> ip, rp  kept on stack, w generated and passed on stack
05:58:36 <Speuler> : dovar  -rot   ;     :)
05:58:46 <tathi> very nice
05:59:18 <Speuler> : clit    count -rot  ;   :))
06:00:30 <Speuler> i refrained from building  "+" from xors
06:00:42 <tathi> heh
06:01:21 <Speuler> but "or" is a colon word
06:02:21 <tathi> -rot is rotate in the other direction?
06:02:30 <Speuler> yes
06:02:41 <Speuler> : -rot  rot rot ;  for example
06:02:54 <Speuler> : -rot swap >r swap r>  ;
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09:51:57 <Robert> Hi I440r 
09:52:05 <I440r> hi
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16:36:36 <a7r> yoh.
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17:18:47 <Robert> Ah!
17:19:02 <Robert> _Now_ I get where XeF4 got his name from. Heh :)
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19:56:01 <a7r> hey
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