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I forgot I had this window open. 00:06:22 --- quit: kc5tja ("THX QSO ES 73 DE KC5TJA/6 CL ES QRT AR SK") 00:17:16 --- join: fridge (~matt@dsl-203-33-163-181.NSW.netspace.net.au) joined #forth 00:18:25 --- quit: a7r (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:39:07 --- join: karingo (karingo@7.portland-05-10rs.or.dial-access.att.net) joined #forth 04:39:58 --- quit: karingo (Client Quit) 04:44:53 --- quit: sifbot (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04:44:53 --- quit: cyberlok (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04:44:53 --- quit: Fractal (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04:45:01 --- join: tathi (~josh@pcp02123722pcs.milfrd01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 04:45:01 --- join: sifbot (~sifforth@h0030657bb518.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 04:45:01 --- join: Fractal (fghez@new.cure.for.SARS.found.to.be.strongLSD.com) joined #forth 04:45:01 --- join: cyberlok (cyberlok@warl0k.sponsor.freenode) joined #forth 04:49:02 --- mode: ChanServ set +o tathi 04:49:44 ? 04:59:47 HI 05:00:07 hi Robert 05:00:12 Hi tathi. 05:00:47 weird, there was a netsplit, then NickServ asked me to re-identify 05:00:57 after that, ChanServ set +o 05:01:02 dunno why 05:01:18 * Robert has no idea. 05:04:45 --- join: mur (murr@baana-62-165-190-133.phnet.fi) joined #forth 05:06:03 Terve, mur 05:06:31 Terve, Robert 05:09:32 --- join: crc (~crc@ACAF3AF4.ipt.aol.com) joined #forth 05:10:34 CRC 05:12:09 hello mur 05:21:11 anyone heard of 'unit testing' in a forth? 05:23:22 fridge: most people seem to think that the interactive nature of forth promotes testing enough that you can get away without unit testing 05:24:03 I think there was _someone_ out there who had a unit testing thing for forth, but can't remember where I saw it... 05:27:06 it generally seems to be simple to write test cases in forth -- just roll your own test suite :) 05:30:34 * fridge nods 05:31:59 thought someone would pipe up and say that as we are all chucklike in our programinng prowess, test cases aren't needed as we just know everything will work first time round 05:32:20 heh. I was just about to say something along those lines 05:32:55 seriously, if you keep your definitions short enough, and test your work every few words... 05:33:20 --- join: Serg_Penguin (Serg_Pengu@212.34.52.142) joined #forth 05:33:44 the more forth I do, the more I find my programs actually do just work the first time around 05:33:50 it's cool ;) 05:36:22 yeah ! 05:36:33 hey serg! :) 05:36:38 i now code in Perl, and it takes tens tries 05:36:50 sergei sergeijevitsch :) 05:37:01 is that your full name? 05:37:08 no 05:37:09 no 05:37:14 serjushka :) 05:37:16 hehe 05:37:36 it's like sven svensson 05:37:37 frederick fridginifiloski 05:38:06 or fu... bookkeepers screwed laser printer 05:38:10 sergei penguinevitsh 05:38:22 how sweet 05:38:39 printed un used paper -> it winded around rubber platen in fuse 05:38:48 hmm 05:38:55 why you shoudln't use used paper btw? 05:39:14 is it static? 05:39:16 they 'saved' on paper 05:39:22 :) 05:39:37 and wasted on printer repair cost 05:39:39 does it help if there is those metal wires that touch the paper when it comes out? 05:39:58 it's _NO_ static 05:40:07 used paper is dehumidified 05:40:19 dry? 05:40:23 yeah 05:40:37 and it turns in a pipe 05:40:44 will it become usable later if it is long enough in air? 05:40:45 like half-burnt paper 05:41:05 does all laser printers do the same? 05:41:24 IMHO glue in paper changes phase, so it won't take moisture from air 05:41:26 * mur remembers that copymachine and laser printer at one place worked with already used papers 05:42:32 hey, dupe-side copiers feed used paper the way it winds _against_ platens 05:42:47 and they have extra separators 05:42:55 and laser colours? 05:43:50 doG knows, maybe they use _good_ paper 05:44:31 so good paper will not blow up printers? 05:47:25 --- join: Speuler (~Speuler@mnch-d9ba484d.pool.mediaWays.net) joined #forth 05:47:45 forthforth v14 has been uploaded 06:12:15 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@207.111.96.47) joined #forth 06:12:15 --- mode: ChanServ set +o TheBlueWizard 06:13:19 Hi all. 06:13:26 * Robert checks forthforth 06:13:36 hiya all 06:13:52 forthforth? 06:15:16 14:47:43 < Speuler> forthforth v14 has been uploaded 06:15:22 I guess it's on forthfreak.net 06:15:26 TBW! :) 06:16:43 hiya mur! :) 06:16:52 Robert: I see 06:17:25 whats up wizard 06:17:27 ? 06:18:09 surfing the Net (collecting info), check email, chat for a spell, then prepare for trip later today 06:19:18 hi tbw, rob 06:19:33 * mur just came from a trip 06:19:35 2 hours ago 06:19:37 hiya Speuler 06:19:39 forthforth: byte-token forth in forth, on www.forthfreak.net 06:19:43 hehe 06:19:53 hmm 06:20:04 meant for sandboxing and test platform commonforth 06:20:21 but there's no sandboxing yet 06:21:02 it is at the point where colon words can be defined 06:23:17 going 06:23:17 cya 06:23:43 --- quit: mur ("MURR!") 06:27:48 --- join: Ishq (~Ishq@frm-64-4-101-227.access.ntelos.net) joined #forth 06:27:51 hmm 06:28:03 hmm? 06:28:13 umm 06:30:49 umm? wanna say something? 06:31:09 mmm 06:32:01 well, hiya...what's new? 06:32:32 the day is new 06:33:56 mmhmm...and the night should be newer still ;) 06:38:57 gone ... shopping 06:39:05 --- part: Speuler left #forth 06:42:43 --- quit: crc ("I was using TinyIRC! 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13:51:46 tathi: yeah, I worked something out, but I haven't had a chance to try it yet. 13:52:33 cool 13:53:38 and I should be able to use the same technique on the Zaurus, which is cool. 13:54:41 very nice 14:31:07 --- join: jdamisch (jdamisch@207.191.240.106) joined #forth 14:33:06 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@pc5ddn08.ppp.fcc.net) joined #forth 14:33:06 --- mode: ChanServ set +o TheBlueWizard 14:33:09 --- quit: a7r ("Client exiting") 14:33:13 hiya all 14:33:55 --- join: a7r_ (~a7r@206.72.82.135) joined #forth 14:35:33 --- join: Speuler (~Speuler@mnch-d9ba484d.pool.mediaWays.net) joined #forth 14:35:50 hiya Speuler 14:35:53 hiya a7r 14:35:57 v15 of forthforth with flow control has been uploaded 14:38:28 nice to hear that 14:38:34 tbw:9 14:38:36 ) 14:38:57 terve mur...mitä kuuluu? ;) 14:39:16 hyvää kai :) 14:40:10 that means "so-so"? 14:40:25 kai = i think so 14:40:32 kai = maybe 14:40:48 ah...so: "good, I think", or "good, perhaps" 14:41:05 kai :) 14:41:24 * TheBlueWizard chuckles at mur's deliberate ambiguity 14:41:54 >:) 14:42:24 tbw have you been at www.politicalcompass.org already ?:) 14:43:26 yup 14:43:38 took the test too 14:46:32 * mur is moving in few months 14:48:12 to helsinki 14:49:12 ah....to attend Helsinki University, right? 14:54:55 well, gotta zip...bye 14:55:00 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 14:57:14 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 14:57:33 --- quit: a7r_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:59:33 --- join: tcn (~tcn@tc1-login8.megatrondata.com) joined #forth 15:01:06 --- quit: tcn (Client Quit) 15:01:11 --- join: TreyB (~trey@cpe-66-87-192-27.tx.sprintbbd.net) joined #forth 15:05:52 dalai lama is an rightist authoritarian compared to my rating :) 15:09:06 hi 15:11:02 hi 15:11:04 >:) Speuler 15:11:10 what rating? 15:11:24 -7, -6.62 15:11:36 you too 15:11:36 >:) 15:11:44 Economic Left/Right: -7.00 15:11:54 Authoritarian/Libertarian: -6.62 15:11:58 yes 15:12:37 soo.. did this open your mind? >:) 15:12:55 nope 15:13:04 what is this test? 15:13:14 try it and you'll see :) 15:13:25 multiple choice "test your personality" 15:13:31 the old diamod shaped Libertarian Party survey? 15:14:03 i took it years ago 15:14:28 io rate far away from saddam hussein, adolf hitler, maggy thatcher and george bush 15:14:43 can't say that i'm not glad about that 15:15:18 ;) 15:15:21 closest rating to mine are nelson mandela and the dalai lama 15:15:28 yes 15:15:41 i am still pretty near the top of the diamond 15:15:58 are you going to become situationist, anarcho-syndicatist, communist, green or liberal now? :) 15:15:58 demonstrates how little this test shows 15:16:11 i strongly disagree with the lp on the gmo issue 15:16:25 i'm not become anything different than i am now 15:16:49 :) 15:17:06 i think green or liberal socialist party is closest to that 15:17:17 communist is authorative 15:17:26 i'm kinda of a generic anti-authoritaria 15:17:31 i'm kinda of a generic anti-authoritarian 15:17:49 there are no many anarchist parties for some reason ;) 15:19:10 the LP states that they are in defiance of the omnipotent state, and then turn around and promote the cult of the Omnipotent state, namlely the U.S. 15:20:19 --- quit: mur ("MURR!") 15:21:15 well, anyway, we are way off topic aren't we? 15:21:42 probably 15:21:59 who cares 15:22:26 i'd just as soon take it to another channel, if i was going to talk politics 15:23:45 i could just talk about SF, if nobody has anything else to talk about 15:23:59 i like SF 15:24:17 what do you like about it? 15:24:23 you may get a query "Starting Forth" :) 15:24:54 the possibility to put the setting outside of conventional scope 15:25:40 the visionary qualities of many writers 15:26:25 i like SF so far 15:27:05 i have played the Tetris a few times 15:27:58 but it does not speed up after so many lines are zapped 15:28:23 have you used SF? 15:29:28 SF != SciFi ... 15:29:36 SwiftForth 15:29:52 :^) 15:31:36 SF SwiftForth = . -1 15:32:23 yes i like some SciFi 15:33:45 SF has an object system that it uses to help build windows in the OS 15:34:00 it looks alot like normal Forht 15:34:02 it looks alot like normal Forth 15:34:23 actually its alot more complicated imo 15:34:31 than plain old Forth 15:34:50 but that is a consequence of going on top of Windows 15:35:15 * Speuler doesn't use windows 15:35:41 have actually liberated all but one machines in the office 15:37:13 I'm not into Unix myself 15:37:56 although I'm no fan of BG or MS products in general 15:39:12 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@ip68-8-206-137.sd.sd.cox.net) joined #forth 15:39:13 --- mode: ChanServ set +o kc5tja 15:39:32 half an hour until star trek starts 15:39:47 Two hours until aikido. 15:39:59 i'll just hang here 15:40:03 anyone seen matrix reloaded yet ? 15:40:14 i'm not into Star Wars or Star Trek very much 15:40:26 i have not seen it 15:40:37 probably rather read something than watch it at this point 15:40:52 Yes, I've seen it. 15:41:01 kc5tja: hi. any good ? 15:41:05 what do you think? 15:41:10 It's good, but not nearly as good as the first. 15:41:36 I couldn't put my finger on it before, but a friend of mine put it quite succinctly when he said, "They're trying to do too much with the movie." 15:41:42 In retrospect, I have to agree. 15:41:52 of episode 1, i like the first half, and was a bit disappointed by most of the 2nd half 15:42:04 I still recommend people go and see it. Just don't expect it to be like the original movie. 15:42:58 thought it was going to become an intelligent movie, and then they started beating each other up 15:43:32 You really wouldn't like Matrix Reloaded then. It's an action flick. 15:43:43 Although there are some parts to it that are rather heady. 15:44:25 The whole point to the movie, though, is that it's man vs. machine; so there is going to be a lot of "ass kicking" going on. 15:45:08 violence can be portrayed if it is not directed against humans ? 15:45:22 but against soulless man-lookalike machines ... 15:45:25 why can't man and machine and nature all get along? 15:45:34 What does that have to do with anything? 15:45:39 but that wouldn't make a very interesting movie, no ass kicking going on 15:46:14 like in Terminater 15:46:20 I liked Terminater 1 & 2 15:46:30 I like Alien 1, 2, 3, but not 4 four was SPAM 15:46:32 Speuler: If you have to ask that kind of question, then I'm afraid you've missed the whole point to ALL the Matrix movies. 15:46:48 * kc5tja never liked the Alien series at all. 15:46:57 I LOVE Aliens 15:47:25 kc5tja: don't think do. the concept of virtual experiences and worlds is not new to matrix 15:47:38 Speuler: I do not believe that was in question. 15:47:43 no cyberspace predates matrix for sure 15:48:12 I could go see an action movie if its not too stupid 15:48:17 oh well. what happens in virtual space is not real, is it ? 15:48:44 Speuler: You asked, paraphrased, if violence is OK to portray if it's not directed against human beings. And I answered with that it wasn't the point of the movie. 15:48:59 it might be real if it has a baring on the physical world, like suppose you set a swtich to turn off all of the power to Nevada 15:49:11 but generally its a consensual fantasy 15:49:45 i like cyberspace 15:49:59 jdamisch: Matrix Reloaded isn't "too stupid" if you've seen the first movie. It's a continuation of the plot that was left hanging in the first movie. But still, it's not as intellectually engaging as the first. 15:50:12 i've never seen the 1st 15:50:25 Then I do not recommend seeing the 2nd until you have seen the 1st. 15:50:26 I liked Total Recall 15:50:32 kc5tja: yeah, probably resulting from my impression that in matrix 1, at one point the actors didn't really stop fighting anymore. 15:51:13 i can rent it sometime 15:51:20 thought "now let something happen again" and then the next fight was on already... 15:51:45 Speuler, is it like a videogame? 15:51:56 Speuler: You'd be fighting too if you've found out the whole world can turn against you at any moment. 15:52:03 (and usually does) 15:53:51 i kind of like Dune but i would not want to Role Play a Harkonnen or an Atradies 15:54:18 i would like to have thinking machines 15:54:24 not kill off all of the computer programmers 15:54:26 wanna be a steersman ? 15:54:30 maybe 15:54:40 that sounds more interesting 15:54:45 all engulfed in orange smoke :) 15:54:50 maybe a renegade steersman 15:55:10 if i was a renegade, then i could have thinking machines 15:55:59 or as tleilaxu, you could breed yourself a biocomputer 15:56:25 the Orange Catholic Beni Gezerit can go spam themselves 15:57:00 i like this nxtvepg epg client 15:57:34 the only way to get what i want is to be my own DM? :^) 15:57:51 hooked up a script to schedule the programs i'd like to watch 15:58:14 and it starts the tv or switches channel at the appropriate time 15:58:16 ok, well go enjoy your show 15:58:24 i'm never going to miss star trek again :) 15:59:11 still 11 min 5 sec 15:59:14 ok 15:59:33 ok, so as a renegade steersman, i can operate on the black market 15:59:57 that includes trading in stolen goods, but i'd have to be careful not to make the wrong people mad 16:00:03 i'd probably try to avoid it if possiable 16:00:09 only read the books, haven't seen the movies 16:00:09 not all books. 16:00:11 seen recently that there are 8 16:00:21 i only knew about 3 16:00:44 i've read like up to what i thought was the last one, that was over 10 years ago 16:01:20 got them all as ascii files. 16:01:20 but didn't catch up yet 16:01:38 still about 10 or 15 disc world to read 16:02:43 its alot of reading 16:02:59 i keep them on my handheld 16:03:33 then you can read whenever 16:03:39 right 16:03:40 do you have a Forth for your handheld? 16:03:52 yes, sort of 16:03:58 dsforth 16:04:06 why sort of? 16:04:19 t'is a compiler 16:05:00 not interactive. but there's an interactive version of forth, compiled by dsforth 16:05:08 --- join: a7r_ (~a7r@206.72.82.135) joined #forth 16:05:28 so you get the system and then compile an app with it and then you have your interactive Forth 16:05:32 that is kind of different 16:05:46 i might try to compile forthforth with dsforth 16:05:58 what is forthforth? 16:06:11 www.forthfreak.net 16:06:28 forthfreak :^) 16:06:30 last paragraph 16:06:39 --- quit: fridge (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:06:51 byte-token threaded forth, written in forth 16:07:01 work in progress 16:07:08 cool 16:07:16 compiles colon words since yesterday 16:07:42 i have not gotten that far with my pet Forth, its just in the conceptual stages 16:08:57 that sounds interesting 16:08:59 i read the page 16:14:13 shit 16:14:21 i know that episode 16:14:33 is it a rerun? 16:14:58 yes. family ties 16:15:28 tisk 16:15:49 freighter attacked by .forget how the aliens are called. captain injured. #2 tries to revenge. 16:16:52 --- join: fridge (~matt@dsl-203-33-163-181.NSW.netspace.net.au) joined #forth 16:17:18 if you are a fridge, you get to stay cool, even in the summer 16:18:05 oh well. there's "cyborg III" in 27 minutes 16:18:23 what is cyborg iii about? 16:18:38 do you read german ? 16:18:44 no 16:19:03 Cyborg...III? I really hope that's not a sucessor to the Cyborgs movie. 16:19:20 recyclers want to recycle the first pregnant cyborg 16:19:32 movie from 1995 16:19:53 hmm 16:19:58 lots of fighting, little contents 16:20:07 not while the cyborg is still alive i hope 16:20:19 is that your type of movie :^) 16:20:21 "by force" 16:20:29 terriable 16:20:40 not really. i just marked all SciFi movies 16:21:07 Hahahaha! 16:21:45 The first Cyborgs movie is one of the worst movies I've ever seen. 16:21:56 maybe i can scrounge an RPG on the net that I havn't played b4 :^) 16:22:00 something to do? 16:22:05 Can't beleive anyone would want to speak about it, without being ashamed.. 16:22:24 its that bad huh? 16:22:53 Yes! 16:23:20 i won't bother 16:24:35 Great 16:25:54 i'm going to hang out here for a few more hours alteast and then go try SF some more 16:26:02 SF SwifthForth = . -1 16:27:48 there are some samples i can tear apart 16:28:55 i can't use this thing for anything deterministic because it runs on top of windows 16:29:05 not very deterministic anyway 16:29:20 SF = Sci Fi = SourceForge = SwiftForth = Svensk Filmindustri. 16:29:40 SwF 16:30:00 And let's not forget, Samuel Falvo. :D 16:30:20 SF = Starting Forth 16:30:46 ok, overloaded acronymn, oops 16:33:28 :) 16:33:36 :) 16:34:02 SwF is fancy forth 16:34:15 there is even a break button in the toolbar, but i haven't figured out what its for 16:34:33 : goof begin 5 5 + drop again ; goof 16:34:43 the break button won't break that 16:35:15 Not sure. Maybe it's for setting a breakpoint, rather than actively breaking out of a program. 16:35:46 it freezed the whole Forth window 16:35:53 it won't run its paint property 16:36:02 i think 16:36:02 Heh ... oops. 16:36:10 3 finger salute 16:36:17 gone 16:36:29 My next big programming project will be for an operating system I haven't coded for in a long, long, long time. 16:36:47 (e.g., programming project that I'll actually get paid for) 16:37:00 what? 16:37:05 AmigaOS 4.0 16:37:13 cool 16:37:14 :) 16:37:39 The last time I coded anything for AmigaOS, it was version 2.04. :) 16:37:49 :^O 16:38:23 * kc5tja can't wait either. I just cannot stand to use Linux or Windows. I do only because I have to. 16:38:51 i would rather be in AmigaOS or TOS or FOS 16:38:55 I mean, I like Linux and all. But it's still such a burden for me. 16:39:03 FOS Forth-Operating-System = . -1 16:39:05 TOS == GEM, nice GUI environment. 16:39:30 AmigaOS is better though. It's architecturally simple, yet capable of doing really advanced stuff. 16:39:37 MultiTOS is cool, though. 16:39:52 Some of the TOS-replacements that add sockets and real multitasking look nice (e.g., for the Atari Falcon). 16:40:19 All the while, retaining the GEM GUI. 16:40:26 Not sure how they pull it off, but somehow, they do it. :) 16:40:55 maybe Windows is expecting a complicated solution ???? 16:41:44 But even the lowest level Windows API is very simple to grok and write code for. 16:41:51 Windows doesn't HAVE to be the pig that it is today. 16:42:06 It's just that it evolved that way because nobody on the Windows software team in Microsoft can code their way out of a paper bag. 16:42:38 But, the damage has been done. The nice thing about AmigaOS is that it's retained its simplicity (relatively speaking of course) over the years. 16:42:56 You can write code that relies on the AmigaOS 1.0 APIs, and they'll *still work* with the newer software. 16:43:09 can you get new Amiga compatable hw? 16:43:10 It's truely a wonderful thing. 16:43:25 Forth on AmigaOS sounds like a way to go 16:43:31 I had Forthmacs on the AtariSt 16:43:42 jdamisch: You will be able to probably by the end of this summer or fall. But the hardware was delayed for a variety of reasons, and they're not exactly "cheap". 16:44:00 The AmigaOne motherboards are actually selling now. 16:44:08 However, AmigaOS 4 isn't ready for commercial distribution yet. 16:44:12 how does it do the hardware compatability for graphics? 16:44:15 So I'll be using a pre-release version of the OS. 16:44:20 It doesn't. 16:44:27 The old hardware isn't supported anymore. 16:44:35 "Classic" software is emulated via UAE. 16:44:42 so your old games won't run on the new machine 16:44:48 New software relies on OS drivers to access the video hardware. 16:45:03 jdamisch: Not natively, no. But they will under UAE. 16:45:11 ok 16:45:22 it was fun to bang on the sprite registers 16:45:25 UAE comes standard with the systems. 16:45:38 I also wish that we could continue to bang on the hardware. 16:45:39 and write directly to the bitmap 16:45:44 it its own way 16:45:50 However, it's also true that the capabilities of monitors has far exceeded what the hardware could produce anyway. 16:46:56 good luck on your new project! 16:46:58 At any rate, the new Amigas are ATX-compliant PowerPC motherboards. LinuxPPC has already been ported to them. 16:47:10 AmigaOS 4 will come a bit later. 16:47:29 Heheh -- thanks. :) 16:47:46 I'll be needing it. I can't tell you what I'm doing, but I can say that it's rather ... large. 16:47:49 how is the PPC with a dual stack VM? 16:47:58 np 16:48:02 Neither worse nor better than an x86. 16:48:06 Most of the registers go unused. 16:48:13 Unless you using a highly optimizing compiler. 16:48:30 that's not a problem because you can use the unused registers in MX definitions 16:48:39 MX definitions? 16:48:57 if you need to write Machine Language word difinitions to speed up your program, you can use the unused registers 16:49:10 Ahh, yes, that's quite true. You can always do that. 16:49:39 And you can always write a higher-level, infix, applicative language in Forth too (Oberon comes readily to mind). 16:49:39 do you get separate registers for the Data and Return Stack? 16:49:55 I don't have enough information to answer your question. Can you elaborate? 16:49:57 sure 16:50:29 the Forth VM has a number of registers, pointer registers for the Data and Return stack 16:50:38 Right 16:50:49