00:00:00 --- log: started forth/03.05.21 00:00:14 Robert: Shriveled up for the most part. Pretty much like the Atari ST scene -- a self-supporting, closed group of people, running on antiquated hardware until it dies its rightful and honorable death. 00:00:38 Heh, OK. 00:00:54 Right now, Amiga, Inc. is getting its primary income from PC sales of its AmigaDE environment (no relation to AmigaOS per se). 00:00:55 sad 00:01:06 any new Amigas manufucktured ? 00:01:16 I tried to convince them they could bring back the platform (hey, if Apple could do it...), but they didn't listen to me. 00:02:08 serg: There is one new hardware platform that was released as a demo, with intent to mass-produce, called the AmigaOne (a PowerPC-based box), but it's not hardware compatible with the earlier Amigas. It's designed to run AmigaOS 4.0 exclusively. 00:02:21 I don't know if it ever was released though. 00:02:25 Damn, how do I quit 'say'? 00:02:27 dhaamn ! 00:02:44 but what about pirates in 3-world countries ? 00:03:12 They don't waste effort on obscure computers that nobody use anymore ;) 00:03:28 ( IBM PC was pir8d by Warsaw pact countries, i even had one as my 1st box ;) 00:04:24 whadda u think, can it be given a new life as 'poor man's comp' ? 00:04:31 on new element base ? 00:05:22 Yep -- the AmigaOne motherboard is in the hands of developers right now. 00:05:33 http://www.eyetech.co.uk/amigaone/oct252002a.php 00:08:14 I can't see how to kill Say. 00:11:06 Ah, well.. cutting the power works just fine. 00:11:32 I forgot. 00:11:53 But, yes, cutting the power is quite effective. :) 00:12:08 Be thankful it isn't a persistent OS, though. Otherwise, the next time it booted, it'd still be there. D: 00:12:09 :D 00:13:06 Wow, Amiga has come a lot further than I expected. 00:13:08 Hmmm.... 00:13:21 * serg once put into back outlet of PC a capacitor from monitor what explodes w/ lots of smelly white smoke 00:13:21 * kc5tja may consider doing software support for them in the future if their progress keeps up... 00:14:00 ? Your smoke was white? Weird! The last time I blew a capacitor (electrolytic) it had an eerie shade of green smoke. :) 00:14:27 Must have been an oil to handle the large voltages. 00:15:22 --- quit: Klaw (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00:16:47 --- join: Klaw (~anonymous@ip68-101-120-167.oc.oc.cox.net) joined #forth 00:16:56 we had many second\hand CRT's from USA, 110 volt 00:17:06 we plugged one by mistake in 220 00:17:43 it worked few minutes, then loud CRAK and white geenie from top holes :(( 00:18:00 Ooh! What'd you wish for? :-) 00:18:22 Heh.. 00:18:40 i blew outta room, grabbed fire extinguisher in firehose box... 00:19:13 returned too room, read the RTFM on the red baloon , ... 00:19:42 and aimed the pipe at CRT, like bad guys are menacing a victim' 00:20:00 s head w/pistol in stupid violent movies 00:20:25 --- 00:21:37 hehe 00:22:37 after that, nick 'fireman' sticked to me 4 a while ;))) 00:23:18 Haha, nice 00:24:00 smoke was going about a minute w/ burnt smell, so all signs of fire were present 00:24:56 'geenie' was about 2 meters, half up to ceiling 00:25:23 -- 00:26:02 Well, I think I need to get to bed. 00:26:10 so then we started to bite out what capacitors and replace them be4 plugging in 00:26:26 --- quit: kc5tja ("THX QSO ES 73 DE KC5TJA/6 CL ES QRT AR SK") 00:26:27 we had big bag of waste ones, so i snatched some 4 practical jokes 00:29:29 --- join: Serg_Penguin (Serg_Pengu@212.34.52.142) joined #forth 00:31:27 --- quit: serg ("leaving") 00:31:40 School, bye. 00:31:46 bye ! 00:36:30 --- quit: a7r (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:47:09 --- nick: hovil -> fridge 01:55:07 Good evening Robert. 02:22:46 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 02:35:31 --- join: deluxe (~deluxe@pD9E59F59.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 02:37:42 --- quit: Jim7J1AJH ("73 from Tokyo") 03:06:39 --- quit: deluxe (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:06:56 --- join: deluxe (~deluxe@pD9E59F59.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 03:43:15 --- join: Serg_Penguin (Serg_Pengu@212.34.52.142) joined #forth 03:49:55 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 04:10:31 --- join: Serg_Penguin (Serg_Pengu@212.34.52.142) joined #forth 04:24:05 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 04:33:11 --- join: deluxe_ (~deluxe@pD9E59F59.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 04:35:14 --- nick: deluxe_ -> fml 04:38:34 --- part: fml left #forth 05:07:38 --- join: Serg_Penguin (Serg_Pengu@212.34.52.142) joined #forth 05:07:38 --- quit: sifbot (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05:10:06 --- join: sifbot (~sifforth@h0030657bb518.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 05:10:06 Type sifbot: (or /msg sifbot to play in private) 05:10:06 --- quit: sifbot (Remote closed the connection) 05:12:19 --- quit: Serg_Penguin (Client Quit) 05:15:10 --- join: sifbot (~sifforth@h0030657bb518.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 05:15:10 Type sifbot: (or /msg sifbot to play in private) 05:15:10 --- quit: sifbot (Remote closed the connection) 05:20:11 --- join: sifbot (~sifforth@h0030657bb518.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 05:20:11 Type sifbot: (or /msg sifbot to play in private) 05:53:08 --- join: Serg_Penguin (Serg_Pengu@212.34.52.142) joined #forth 06:12:26 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 06:16:53 --- join: ASau (~asau@158.250.48.197) joined #forth 06:16:59 Good evening! 06:17:19 Dobryj veczer! 06:17:33 Privet :) 06:18:14 What about yesterday's asm? ;) 06:20:50 Hm. 06:21:00 What? 06:21:36 I mean those my proposals I made yesterday. 06:22:23 Oh.. I wasn't here then, 06:22:31 Or at least not paying any attention. :) 06:23:38 Well, I see nobody willing to discuss... 06:23:54 Maybe I'll come later. 06:24:11 No -> code 06:24:18 C0DE :) 06:24:39 C0DE now... 06:24:41 --- quit: ASau ("Toffee IRC client for DOS v1.0/b535") 07:06:04 --- quit: fridge ("http://lice.codehack.com") 07:11:42 --- join: TreyB (~trey@cpe-66-87-192-27.tx.sprintbbd.net) joined #forth 07:57:39 --- join: deluxe_ (~deluxe@pD9E59F59.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 07:57:39 --- quit: sifbot (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07:59:02 --- quit: deluxe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:59:30 --- join: sifbot (~sifforth@h0030657bb518.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 07:59:30 Type sifbot: (or /msg sifbot to play in private) 07:59:30 --- quit: sifbot (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08:04:31 --- join: sifbot (~sifforth@h0030657bb518.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 08:04:31 Type sifbot: (or /msg sifbot to play in private) 08:04:32 --- quit: sifbot (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08:09:32 --- join: sifbot (~sifforth@h0030657bb518.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 08:09:32 Type sifbot: (or /msg sifbot to play in private) 08:11:23 --- nick: deluxe_ -> deluxe 08:43:26 --- join: mur (murr@baana-62-165-184-246.phnet.fi) joined #forth 08:50:21 --- quit: deluxe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08:50:35 --- join: deluxe_ (~deluxe@pD9E59F59.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 09:04:17 --- quit: deluxe_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 09:13:27 --- join: deluxe_ (~deluxe@pD9E59F59.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 09:32:57 --- quit: deluxe_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:47:26 --- join: deluxe_ (~deluxe@pD9EE162C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 10:17:07 --- join: a7r (~a7r@206.72.82.135) joined #forth 10:32:14 morning 10:34:50 Hi a7r 10:46:08 --- nick: deluxe_ -> deluxe 10:47:33 --- quit: deluxe ("Client exiting") 10:47:55 --- join: deluxe (~deluxe@pD9EE162C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 11:19:10 --- join: deluxe_ (~deluxe@pD9EE162C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 11:24:51 --- join: tathi (~josh@pcp02123722pcs.milfrd01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 11:36:15 --- join: ASau (~user@158.250.48.197) joined #forth 11:38:19 --- quit: ASau (Client Quit) 11:42:47 --- join: ASau (~asau@158.250.48.197) joined #forth 11:42:56 Good evening! 11:43:26 --- quit: deluxe_ ("Client exiting") 11:43:27 --- quit: deluxe ("Client exiting") 11:43:44 --- join: deluxe (~deluxe@pD9EE162C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 11:44:05 Dobryj veczer! 11:44:37 Hey!! Do you see me? 11:44:47 I'm testing another client. 11:45:27 --- join: a7r_ (~a7r@206.72.82.135) joined #forth 11:46:02 --- quit: a7r (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11:46:06 --- quit: ASau () 11:47:32 --- quit: deluxe (Client Quit) 11:47:35 --- join: deluxe (~deluxe@pD9EE162C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 11:47:40 --- quit: deluxe (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:48:02 --- join: deluxe (~deluxe@pD9EE162C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 11:49:09 --- quit: deluxe (Client Quit) 11:50:02 --- join: deluxe (~deluxe@pD9EE162C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 11:50:46 http://www.shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=6811207&file=filename.pls 11:50:48 wow :) 11:50:52 freddy hubbart 11:52:40 damn 11:52:41 it 11:53:13 anyone use GNU as often? I have a question regarding setting the assumed memory position of my code 12:06:22 I do, on a PPC platform, but ask away... 12:07:44 memory position of your code probably more depends on how it gets linked though... 12:15:03 tathi: ah, cool.. I'm trying to learn ARM assembly, cuz I'd like to implement a ColorForth for my iPAQ 12:15:59 cool cool 12:16:11 how's it going? 12:16:28 it's hard to say at this point, but I have all the docs I'm going to need to get it implemented 12:17:01 do you do assembly language for any other platform? 12:17:10 in this case, w/ the MMU off, just starting execution from the bootloader, my RAM is position at 0xC0000000 12:17:38 tathi: I can read PPC, and I've been teaching myself the Atmel AVR chips. 12:18:39 so you have some kind of binary image file that the bootloader loads, or what? 12:18:58 yeah,. although right now I've just been poking my code into memory. 12:20:19 so gas is positioning my code at 0x0 .. I'd like to get the positioning up where my RAM lives. I'm wondering what the easiest way to do that is, or if I'm barking up the wrong tree. 12:21:20 you running Linux on the iPAQ, and running gas from there? 12:21:28 or you have it set up as a cross-assembler or something? 12:21:39 I'm cross assembling on a PowerPC box. 12:22:22 so you're assembling to a .o file, then linking to an ELF? 12:22:29 or to a flat binary? 12:22:41 it's an a.out right now 12:22:57 ah, right 12:22:57 I'm not really linking per se. 12:23:11 but I've built a cross LD, so I could use that to relocate things. 12:24:30 do you know what format you need it in to boot it on the iPAQ? 12:25:02 I have a couple options,. I can make it look like a Linux kernel, or I can just hop into an arbitrary memory location. 12:26:20 OK, enough silly questions from me... 12:26:32 you could try a .org pseudo-op in your assembly file 12:27:04 but that might leave some blank space in your binary 12:27:10 nod. 12:27:14 I've never really played with it. 12:27:38 but you may have to write a linker script. 12:27:45 okay 12:28:26 I'm looking at Linux's right now.. 12:28:45 but the Linux kernel is _probably_ just an ELF binary, so you may just be able to put a global label _start, and link it normally. 12:29:58 --- join: Stepan (~stepan@likes.smoking.and.watching.spacenight.dk) joined #forth 12:30:17 tathi: ah, so these guys have a linker script, and they do: 12:30:28 . = TEXTADDR; 12:30:41 with textaddr being 0xc0002000 or somesuch. 12:31:34 yup 12:31:38 who? 12:31:53 linker scripts suck 12:32:01 Stepan: the ARM Linux guys 12:32:30 Stepan: I'm trying to get some code linked, and running, on an iPAQ, from the bootloader, so tathi was just helping me work out how. 12:32:40 isnt this basically the same on all linux platforms? 12:32:57 no, it varies depending on the bootloader, and general arch. 12:33:09 a7r_: what IPL do you use? Do you have to init dram or display on the iPAQ? 12:33:22 does it have stuff like PCI, internally? 12:33:30 Stepan: IPL? No, the bootloader takes care of most of the general housekeeping. 12:33:52 no PCI with this setup, it's just a StrongARM 1110 12:34:32 ah.. so there already is a bootloader.. does it boot elf files? 12:34:54 yeah, that's the big question 12:35:14 I think it does, simply because of Linux being a zImage, but I'm not sure. 12:35:15 * a7r_ checks. 12:36:00 zImage is some elf file with a header on some platforms iirc 12:36:04 it's a bit weird 12:36:22 I can boot the openbios forth core in grub, but it does not work in LinuxBIOS 12:36:41 but I have a multiboot header. 12:36:43 hrm, yeah, this zImage doesn't look straight ELF 12:36:55 ugly enough "multiboot" knows only about intel.. 12:37:23 this bootloader will also jump into arbitrary memory locations,.. and I can also load anywhere I want. 12:44:09 oh well, enough of this for now. 12:48:17 a7r_: one more question -- what bootloader are you using? 12:48:29 tathi: the handheld.org bootldr 12:50:59 it says that will load an ELF -- either compressed with gzip, as the kernel zImage, or uncompressed. 12:51:37 so you *should* just be able to assemble and link normally... 12:51:41 hrm. 12:51:44 got a URL for that? 12:51:51 yeah, it'd be a lot cleaner. 12:52:08 I was just reading doc/bootldr-usage.html in the bootldr source 12:53:29 it says: "load kernel: this command will install a new version of the NetBSD or Linux kernel (uncompressed or compressed with gzip). The kernel file can be up to 30800192 bytes (3MB - 64KB)." 12:53:37 nod. 12:53:58 there's some trickery there though.. the NetBSD support doesn't work quite right, and I'm not sure how kooky the Linux kernel support is. 12:54:04 * a7r_ looks at the source. 12:54:38 ah yeah, "boot...automatically detects whether the kernel is gzipped and whether it is Linux or NetBSD." 12:54:41 hmm 12:55:08 ah well. 12:55:23 gotta go. 12:55:40 thanks for your help. 12:55:53 I think I did get GNU as/ld to do a flat image like that once 12:56:07 if you're around later, I'll take a look and see if I can't find it for you 12:56:12 laters 12:56:12 cool. 12:56:14 late. 12:56:17 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 13:10:27 --- join: revanthn (~revanthn@202.9.183.220) joined #forth 13:33:17 --- part: revanthn left #forth 13:36:30 --- join: I440r (~I440r@dialup-67.29.214.243.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) joined #forth 13:37:18 --- join: revanthn (~revanthn@202.9.183.220) joined #forth 13:56:27 --- part: revanthn left #forth 14:04:10 --- join: mur` (jukka@baana-62-165-190-37.phnet.fi) joined #forth 14:07:30 --- quit: mur` (Client Quit) 14:12:27 --- quit: mur (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: mur_!jukka@baana-62-165-190-37.phnet.fi))) 14:56:58 l440r: how is it going? 15:08:34 --- join: tcn (~tcn@tc1-login15.megatrondata.com) joined #forth 15:11:41 --- quit: tcn (Client Quit) 15:15:16 --- nick: a7r_ -> a7r 15:20:58 hi 15:21:30 slowly right now, im taking a break from isforth for a while. not LONG, but a week or 2 maybe 15:31:12 I440r: hey 15:33:16 --- nick: deluxe -> deluxe|bbl 15:33:20 --- quit: deluxe|bbl ("Client exiting") 15:35:39 hi :) 15:36:01 anyone here ever play that old apple ii game "wizardry" ??? 15:36:12 im reverse engineering the PC version of it 15:36:19 and ive discoverd something totally amazing 15:36:27 its NOT coded in pascal at all 15:36:35 its coded in some funky token threaded FORTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 15:38:12 lol 15:38:43 the grub/lilo graphics SuSE uses is done with a stack based language as well.. 15:38:54 like a small forth with special prims 15:41:37 --- join: deluxe (~deluxe@pD9EE162C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 16:08:10 --- quit: deluxe (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:08:10 --- quit: I440r (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:08:49 --- join: I440r (~I440r@dialup-67.29.214.243.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) joined #forth 16:13:14 --- join: deluxe (~deluxe@pD9EE162C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 16:26:24 --- quit: I440r (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 16:46:42 --- join: I440r (~I440r@dialup-67.29.214.213.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) joined #forth 17:13:58 hello all 17:14:15 I440r hows the asm forth comming? 17:55:52 hi 17:55:55 not too bad 17:56:08 im taking a break from it tho for a SAHORT while 17:56:09 erm 17:56:12 short even heh 18:43:39 no biggie 18:44:19 seems forth engines are only done as a hobby anyways I mean almost no one knows the language it seems anymore 18:45:12 but for mini systems forth is more and more attractive 18:46:22 I mean imagine having gz'ed forth scripts that make the forth engine act and do most every function of a normal unix system. everything from shell itself to the httpd that is running all in gz'ed forth 18:57:24 --- join: tgunr (~user@A17-205-43-45.apple.com) joined #forth 18:58:26 anyone around? 19:03:48 --- join: Sonarman (~matt@adsl-63-196-0-28.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 19:05:05 ahh much better 19:05:12 better 19:05:19 than? 19:05:40 switching to linux and bitchx 19:06:09 now any forth math? 19:06:17 er, know? 19:06:27 forth math? 19:07:33 i need to divide 34159 into 7010 19:32:26 --- quit: I440r (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20:36:30 --- quit: a7r (Remote closed the connection) 20:51:53 --- join: a7r (~a7r@206.72.82.135) joined #forth 20:51:56 yoh 21:15:53 --- quit: tgunr (Connection timed out) 21:15:54 --- quit: a7r (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22:10:51 --- join: a7r (~a7r@206.72.82.135) joined #forth 22:17:53 --- quit: deluxe (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 22:42:58 --- join: Jim7J1AJH (~jwt@n1.dskk.co.jp) joined #forth 22:49:35 --- quit: Sonarman (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22:55:07 Any Mac forth people here? What are you using for GUI? 22:56:57 --- join: Serg_Penguin (Serg_Pengu@212.34.52.142) joined #forth 23:00:02 --- join: snowrichard (~rsnow1@c66.190.102.26.ts46v-01.mrshll.tx.charter.com) joined #forth 23:39:00 --- join: deluxe (~deluxe@pD9E59EE8.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 23:40:40 a live person? 23:43:10 I am 23:43:16 but only for a few seconds. 23:44:05 * a7r is away: crash 23:45:25 --- nick: deluxe -> deluxe|bbl 23:45:28 --- quit: deluxe|bbl ("Client exiting") 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/03.05.21