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00:12:51 <jdamisch> someone feel free to email jdamisch@hotmail.com and tell me when its busy in here.
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00:16:09 <Klaw`> does anyone feel free yet?
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01:37:51 <deluxe> bonjour
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04:28:02 <Speuler> 'morning
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06:55:05 <Speuler> tach
06:57:26 <deluxe> guten tag mestari speuler
06:58:51 <Speuler> grias di deluxe
06:58:53 <deluxe> how about the 4suite wiki for forthfreak.de (didn't you want to think about it?)
06:59:04 <Speuler> oh sure
06:59:06 <deluxe> :)
06:59:26 <Speuler> i wouldn't know which one to choose. had a look at that site yesterday
06:59:54 <Speuler> for what reason moinmoin ?
07:00:18 <Speuler> orm the 4suite ?
07:00:33 <Speuler> what makes one more recommendable than others ?
07:00:42 * Speuler not know
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07:05:02 <ASau> Good evening!
07:06:42 <onetom> re
07:06:55 <onetom> Speuler: whats up w that wiki stuff?
07:07:24 <Speuler> hi 1tom
07:07:29 <Speuler> too many options
07:07:35 <ASau> Good evening, Speuler!
07:07:41 <onetom> aha
07:07:50 <Speuler> zope wiki, 4suite, moinmoin, ...
07:08:48 <ASau> Have you seen wiki.forth.org.ru?
07:08:55 <ASau> IIRC it is on phpwiki
07:09:03 <Speuler> hi asau
07:09:14 <ASau> Are you going to run wiki?
07:09:21 <Speuler> probably
07:09:50 <ASau> That's a good idea, I think.
07:10:17 <Speuler> oh. thanks. hope you're not the only one supporting the idea :)
07:11:09 <ASau> I've already run into difficulties of static WWW pages.
07:11:43 <ASau> It's too difficult to make lazy maintainer to change something.
07:11:52 <Speuler> i've put some sort of forth cgi together. i'd like to be able to intergrate some forth code into the wiki code
07:11:54 <ASau> Even to include new material.
07:12:12 <ASau> That's also good.
07:12:17 <Speuler> but i have no intention to write the wiki totally in forth 
07:12:41 <Speuler> more, by way of extending wiki functionality
07:14:13 <ASau> Hm. I've never interested in wiki's internals before.
07:14:33 <ASau> Is it a sort of CGI?
07:15:21 <Speuler> cgi script, yes
07:15:54 <ASau> Then, maybe, it would not be hard to write it in Forth, I think.
07:16:34 <ASau> I know there're examples of real CGI scripting in Forth.
07:16:40 <Speuler> no, not hard. but time consuming. got other things at hand right now than writing a wiki in forth
07:17:03 <ASau> Yes, that's always a problem.
07:17:13 <Speuler> the forth cgi stuff i've put together does mostly
07:17:20 <ASau> No time always.
07:17:38 <Speuler> needs some refining, and some gaps to be filled in
07:18:12 <Speuler> for example, i can't read yet form input, which is sent back to the server
07:19:07 <Speuler> which would be important for a wiki, i assume
07:19:21 <Speuler> brb
07:21:48 <ASau> You mean POSTed form input, don't you?
07:22:51 <Speuler> yes
07:24:02 <ASau> Hm. I thought http server provides whole "HTTP GET" (or part of it) through stdin.
07:24:45 <Speuler> http get is used by client, to ask server for a file
07:25:06 <Speuler> posted text is appended to url on send button
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07:26:08 <ASau> Ah. I've forgotten.
07:26:36 <ASau> I need to reread correspoding RFC.
07:27:30 <ASau> Anyway, I won't start anything net-based this month. No time at all.
07:29:38 <ASau> Do you know if anyone have done FAT FS through BLOCK's?
07:29:59 <Speuler> star trek is on
07:30:39 <ASau> What do you mean?
07:30:55 * Speuler is watching tv
07:31:10 <ASau> A-a-a.
07:31:20 <Speuler> there's star trek on sat 1
07:32:21 <ASau> What need I TV-set for, if I don't smoke? :)
07:33:09 <ASau> I mean I've got no TV-set.
07:38:20 <Speuler> me neither. just a tv card
07:38:41 <ASau> No card either. :)
07:38:43 <ASau> No need
07:38:59 <Speuler> has camera input
07:39:24 <ASau> I watch movies through PPP :)
07:39:49 <Speuler> i grab video cam movies through the tv card
07:39:50 <ASau> Take CR-RW and go to friend. :)))
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09:06:41 <ASau> Good evening!
09:07:17 <PoppaVic> Just 12:16, get real ;-)
09:07:35 <ASau> Get real: 8:20pm
09:07:53 <PoppaVic> bah - get a Real Life ;-)
09:08:15 <ASau> I don't live in virtuality.
09:08:26 <PoppaVic> since when?
09:08:41 <ASau> I never lived there.
09:09:15 <ASau> I don't even know what it is.
09:11:22 <Robert> Privet, ASau :)
09:11:30 <Robert> I love Forth, too...
09:11:37 <ASau> That's better...
09:11:42 <Robert> Just that #osdev came first on the list ;)
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09:12:08 <ASau> A...F...O...Z IIRC.
09:12:15 <ASau> Why first?
09:12:21 <ASau> Good evening, ianni!
09:13:06 <ASau> Robert, are you so alternative man to order from 'Z' to 'A'?
09:14:39 <Robert> Not reallt.
09:14:40 <Robert> really*
09:14:56 <Robert> Don't know how irssi does it, but #forth is window 9 and #osdev in window 8.
09:15:13 <ianni> hey guys
09:15:16 <Robert> Hi ianni 
09:23:24 <ASau> I'm back.
09:24:27 <ASau> Just need a time to serve "high temperature superconductive and colossal magnetic resistant" experimental "device" :)
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09:25:16 <ASau> Good evening, mur!
09:25:30 <ASau> Dobryj veczer!
09:25:52 <mur> privet, general ASau
09:26:07 <ASau> Why general?
09:27:19 <ASau> Well, traditional question.
09:27:27 <ASau> BS vs. FS
09:27:45 <ASau> Has anyone done FS access through BLOCK?
09:28:09 <ASau> I'm interested in FAT one.
09:28:23 <mur> ASau no reason given
09:28:25 <ASau> If it's done, I can save my time. ;)
09:29:00 <ASau> Just want to live here (FAT-16) in Forth. :)
09:36:15 <ASau> Well, time to go.
09:36:46 <ASau> Do vstreczi v efire!
09:36:48 <ASau> 88
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09:46:24 <Stepan> re
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10:41:51 <futhin> sup
10:41:59 <PoppaVic> nada
10:55:08 <futhin> lies
11:04:40 <futhin> say something
11:04:45 <futhin> i want to see if the window flashes
11:30:12 <Robert> Hi futhin 
11:33:22 <PoppaVic> that was like an hour ago
11:33:32 <Robert> What?
11:33:37 <futhin> yeah, bad robert
11:33:53 <PoppaVic> Which is why I rarely pay attention herein.
11:35:24 <futhin> poppavic: it's your fault (as well as robert's and mur's)
11:35:29 <futhin> because you guys don't talk about forth
11:35:38 <PoppaVic> <shrug>
11:35:44 <PoppaVic> Which forth?
11:35:47 <Robert> Heh.. What is there to talk about?
11:35:50 <PoppaVic> What forth?
11:36:00 <PoppaVic> What standard? Platform?
11:36:04 <futhin> robert: projects, what you've done, questions about forth
11:36:08 <PoppaVic> so, spare me.
11:36:22 <Robert> PoppaVic: We could always argue about which Forth/platform/standard that is the best one!
11:36:32 <Robert> That'll give futhin lots of Forth spam.
11:36:36 <PoppaVic> Yeah, Robert: wake 'em all up.
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11:40:38 <futhin> poppavic:  Which forth? isForth or any "pure" forths of course.  What standard? any non-ans forth standard.  Platform? any platform, forth is portable.
11:40:49 <PoppaVic> yeah.. right
11:41:03 <futhin> ??
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11:41:40 --- mode: futhin set +q robert!*@*
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11:41:47 --- mode: futhin set +q serg_ghost!*@*
11:41:48 <futhin> lol
11:42:28 <futhin> time to invite kc5tja back to #forth
11:42:46 <futhin> he keeps going away because there's nobody on #forth and all the nobodies talk too much
11:43:49 <XeF4> he came back for awhile
11:44:01 <XeF4> and to my observation, noone told him to fuck off
11:44:01 <futhin> that's cause i invited him
11:44:14 <futhin> nobody told him to
11:44:19 <futhin> he leaves when there's nothing happening here
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11:44:39 <XeF4> one time he left because someone told him to fuck off
11:45:29 <futhin> onetom said "leave if you can't take a joke"  but from kc5jta's perspective, onetom was being a pestering idiot, so he left
11:45:51 <futhin> that was a different kind of leaving
11:45:58 <futhin> kc5tja hasn't "left" the channel afaik
11:46:14 <futhin> he just doesn't hang out because he's busy and because not much happens on the channel
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12:01:52 <futhin> k, emailed kc5tja :D
12:02:06 <futhin> i was telling him a cool idea
12:02:22 <futhin> Bear Arms Day
12:02:33 <futhin> for the u.s
12:03:11 <futhin> the problem: the u.s government is slowly, steadily chipping away at the individual's rights, even those in the constitution
12:03:46 <futhin> the solution:  have a "Bear Arms" Day, where people march around with empty, unloaded guns..   that will help slow down the government and raise public awareness
12:05:41 <ianni> what's +q?
12:05:46 <futhin> it's quiet
12:06:06 <futhin> robert mur and serg_ghost are no longer quieted
12:06:38 <futhin> poppavic will remain quieted..  he's been quite annoying over the last month, and some people wanted to ban him
12:09:28 <ianni> hah
12:11:22 <XeF4> WHY WAS MUR BANNED?
12:11:28 <futhin> he wasn't
12:11:35 <futhin> +q isn't ban
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12:11:54 <XeF4> AHA JOO
12:11:58 <futhin> to deactivate +q, -b can be used
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12:47:41 <futhin> hey kc5jta :)
12:47:53 <kc5tja> re
12:47:56 <futhin> what did you think of my ideas? :)
12:47:57 <kc5tja> Just got your message
12:48:28 <kc5tja> I've thought of the virtual country idea too, but more as an exercise to explore the potential successes and failures of the stone society concept.  
12:48:32 <kc5tja> As far as the arms day, that sounds good.
12:48:42 <kc5tja> However, I won't be packing a gun -- I'd be carrying a sword.  :)
12:48:51 <futhin> heh :)
12:49:07 <futhin> yeah, i'd go dressed up in a full ninja suit
12:49:13 <futhin> :P
12:49:24 <kc5tja> Are you familiar with ninpo?
12:49:29 <futhin> heard of it
12:49:49 <kc5tja> It probably would be helpful, as doubtlessly, someone will try to confront you and expect you to know at least some element of the art.
12:50:24 <kc5tja> I wouldn't go dressed as anything except myself, unless there was a special section in the parade that was known to be "dress-up."
12:50:41 <futhin> i've fantasized about dressing up as a ninja and having the sword, and just walking around downtown in a big city
12:50:41 <kc5tja> The less people know of my martial arts abilities, the more I have the advantage in a confrontation.
12:50:59 <futhin> i'd like to know how violently people would react heh
12:51:06 <futhin> especially the cops
12:51:26 <futhin> of course, it wouldn't be fun to get hassled
12:51:33 <kc5tja> Nope.
12:51:41 <futhin> probably a good idea to take along some guys with video cameras
12:51:58 <kc5tja> Yes, and try hard to resist the urge to draw live steel.
12:52:30 <futhin> speaking of videos, there is this video showing two guys in the car, near a police station.  one guy gets out and confronts a police officer walking along (the police officer doesn't know about the car/camera).  
12:52:44 <futhin> the guy stops right in front of the cop and gives him two middle fingers
12:52:55 <futhin> and says something
12:53:10 <futhin> the cop reacts VIOLENTLY, whips out his stick and beats the shit out of the guy
12:53:21 <futhin> his nightstick
12:53:33 * kc5tja nods
12:54:20 <futhin> there's such a fine line with the police brutality issue..
12:54:31 <kc5tja> Yup
12:54:48 <kc5tja> But I have to agree, what those people did above were kind of asking for it though.  :)
12:54:59 <futhin> when there's large crowds, sometimes i think the police partly incite riots..
12:55:08 <kc5tja> The nightstick was excessive, but a good left hook wouldn't have been out of the question.
12:55:09 <futhin> the police are looking for any excuse to beat up the people..
12:55:56 <kc5tja> Well, you have to remember too that it's a few bad apples that ruin it for everyone.  Not all cops are "bad cops."
12:56:23 <kc5tja> But you also have to remember, again, that cops get mentally (and sometimes physically) abused by the people they confront on the street all the time too.
12:56:38 <kc5tja> It's hard to keep one's cool when you're repeated confronted with people who have no problems at all with the idea of killing you.
12:56:51 <kc5tja> It's a survival instinct.
12:57:25 <futhin> no, i agree, but i bet before an event where there's going to be a large crowd, the cops are given pep talks to get psyched to be aggressive..
12:57:45 <kc5tja> I don't know if I believe that.
12:57:56 <futhin> well that's my guess
12:58:13 <futhin> like for the OPEC and the other summits..
12:58:41 <futhin> some of the videos show the cops overreacting and in my opinion, it seems to incite the crowd further
12:59:06 <futhin> mostly by making the people confused and getting all the other cops into it
12:59:09 <kc5tja> Yes, it does.
12:59:15 <futhin> all because a few cops overreact 
12:59:26 <kc5tja> It's a vicious cycle.
12:59:31 <futhin> definitely
12:59:56 <kc5tja> It's a big problem in aikido actually -- when testing, if the person comes in hard and fast, you have a tendency of way overreact.  Part of the test is to see how well you *control* that.
13:03:55 <futhin> what are you up to these days?  how is the business going?
13:04:14 <kc5tja> Not going at all, yet, and it's irking me.
13:04:19 <kc5tja> I haven't had time to do anything with it.
13:04:24 <kc5tja> I'm studying for final exams.
13:04:47 <futhin> oh wow, your semesters last longer 
13:04:51 <kc5tja> But once that's done, I need to get back in touch with SDSBDC (say that ten times fast) to go over my business plan.
13:05:00 <kc5tja> 16 weeks here.
13:05:01 <futhin> the final exams were finished two weeks ago 
13:05:43 <futhin> have you finished most of your business plan?
13:06:00 <kc5tja> I haven't even started it.
13:06:08 <futhin> heh, one business plan book told me "lock yourself in your room for 16 hours and hammer it out"
13:06:23 <futhin> it's kinda painful to develop a business plan
13:06:25 <kc5tja> That's most certainly not what I am about to do.
13:06:34 * kc5tja is going to take it one step at a time.
13:06:51 <futhin> yeah, it still requires some grit to sit down and do each step :P
13:07:06 <kc5tja> Sure, but I am NOT going to spend 16 frigging straight hours working on one.
13:07:17 <futhin> yeah
13:16:50 <kc5tja> I think I'm going to take a bike ride today.
13:16:59 <kc5tja> It's a gorgeous sunny day, with a mild breeze.
13:17:20 <futhin> I have no idea what today's weather is like heh
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13:21:34 <futhin> i've been thinking of starting a ranking of countries, to determine which countries are the freeest and/or have the lowest overall taxes (including hidden taxes like inflation) and/or other factors..
13:22:00 <futhin> somehow i don't think that the u.s is the top country anymore..
13:22:25 <kc5tja> I don't know.
13:22:33 <kc5tja> How do you quantify freedom?
13:22:56 <futhin> yeah, i wouldn't quantify freedom right away
13:23:19 <futhin> i would just rank countries by their overall taxation & other economic factors
13:23:38 <futhin> it would be a good start, then later on, figure out how to quantify freedom..
13:23:43 <ianni> i think you just quantify what isnt 
13:23:53 <futhin> heh
13:24:01 <futhin> possible good idea
13:28:56 <kc5tja> Oh well.  I'm going to head out and get some exercise.  I've been indoors long enough today.
13:29:10 <kc5tja> But first, a shower.
13:29:42 <kc5tja> Then, after I get back, I was planning on working on some suburi practice.
13:30:43 <futhin> suburi/
13:30:45 <futhin> suburi?
13:34:38 <futhin> i'm gonna go for a bit
13:34:40 <futhin> bbl
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16:09:27 <Speuler> 'oi
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16:10:23 <Speuler> hmm
16:10:55 <Speuler> last time i said "'morning", sifbot went away the next few seconds
16:11:00 <Speuler> now again
16:11:45 <Speuler> is that just chance, or is that a joke ?
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16:26:27 <kc5tja> c/lear
16:26:28 <kc5tja> err
16:40:03 <Speuler> oh
16:40:13 <Speuler> another star trek
16:40:22 <kc5tja> ?
16:40:37 <Speuler> "the undiscovered country"
16:40:45 <kc5tja> Ahh
16:40:46 <kc5tja> Yes
16:40:51 <Speuler> watching...
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17:11:28 <deluxe> someone w/ python skills here?
17:39:35 <ianni> not really me
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