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03:07:08 <deluxe> salut
03:07:18 <deluxe> hello Robert.
03:07:32 <deluxe> hello serg.
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03:59:18 <serg> hi
03:59:29 * serg is busy laying a phone cable
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04:00:04 <serg_ghost> mur: whadda u code now ?
04:00:15 <deluxe> serg_ghost: since when are you on telia btw. ?
04:00:26 <mur> terve
04:00:31 * mur was hacking a bit one game
04:00:33 * serg_ghost is trying to write a news suck and screw OpenGL to SPF
04:00:53 <mur> there was small bug in my work .. i'm cruising on water with a wagon! :D
04:00:59 <mur> not with ship :P
04:01:26 <serg_ghost> deluxe: i begged an SSH account from Robert :)
04:01:42 <serg_ghost> to avoid traces at work computer, and to save traffic
04:01:59 <serg_ghost> maybe 6 months
04:02:58 * serg_ghost returns to laying the cable
04:03:13 <mur> Oops ! you can buy treasure for 500  credits (it might be worth 2000 :D
04:04:03 <serg_ghost> mur: never name a game money 'credits'
04:04:14 <mur> why not? :P
04:04:18 <serg_ghost> Zorkmid may be usef00l
04:04:27 <mur> ?
04:04:46 <mur> oops  more bugs. the ships cruise on  :P
04:05:05 <serg_ghost> or make several currencies w/ possibility of exchange rate oscillations and, therefore, speculations
04:05:19 <serg_ghost> 13:03 < mur> Oops ! you can buy treasure for 500  credits (it might be worth
04:05:19 <serg_ghost>              2000 :D
04:07:56 <serg_ghost> mur: what is your game ? adventure ?
04:08:07 <mur> strategy
04:08:38 * serg_ghost can't split his person, so losing in this kind of gamez
04:09:30 <mur> what do you mean?
04:15:14 * serg_ghost cannot think parallelly for all the units\groups\locations
04:16:20 * mur plays for fun not to win
04:16:36 <serg_ghost> losing all the time is no g00d fun
04:25:48 * mur wonders if he coudl edit the game map files with his own made map editor (raw data)
04:28:08 <mur> onetom did i sent you one file accidentally?
04:28:31 <mur> sorry if i did, didn't meant to
04:29:39 <onetom> nm
04:30:02 <onetom> i havent chk my acc roughly 4 a wee
04:30:03 <onetom> k
04:30:57 <mur> szia is onetom :o)
04:31:18 <onetom> :)
04:31:30 <onetom> szia?
04:32:15 * mur was studying a bit hungarian some time ago
04:32:17 <onetom> how did u know how do hungarians say hello?
04:32:19 <onetom> aaha
04:35:01 <mur> agyilag zokni :P
04:42:41 <mur> that meant nothing, if it even was spelt corrcely
04:42:42 <mur> cya
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04:58:07 <Robert> Murr.
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07:44:46 <Speuler> 'morning
07:45:08 <PoppaVic> good AM
07:45:35 <Speuler> ha
07:45:59 <Speuler> i consider my biological clock more accurate than sun
07:46:06 <Speuler> at least more relevant
07:46:27 <Speuler> there's no ntp client in sol
07:48:10 <Speuler> btw, rudimentary interpreter and defining words are functioning in the byte-token forth version i was working on
07:49:20 <PoppaVic> full url?
07:49:24 <Speuler> but i can't put it in the net right now
07:49:35 <Speuler> kabel has been assembled wrongly
07:49:42 <PoppaVic> ok.. just tar it up & email at yer convenience, ok?
07:49:45 <Speuler> (office is about 50 meters from here)
07:50:00 <Speuler> we're just working on the correct wiring
07:50:14 <Speuler> hopefully i'll have net access from the office later today
07:50:22 <PoppaVic> gen.c & distro.c now make gcc 3.2 happy... Was glaring at the VM shit for the last week - maybe I'll see something to voodoo with.
07:51:23 <Speuler> i wouldn't mind trying to match your c version and my forth version functionally, to for a somewhat broader base for waht we would call "commonfoprth"
07:51:25 <Speuler> forth
07:51:36 <PoppaVic> right.
07:51:46 <Speuler> i'm using about 15 primitives now
07:52:10 <PoppaVic> My basic point is to ascertain what & how to make the CommonFORTH, and then I'd LIKE an "exemplary" (example) version to include.
07:52:44 <Speuler> one principle i implement is, hiding data structures
07:52:52 <PoppaVic> I've also puzzled out the gcc-voodoo to specify new "sections" (segments), so I'm not upset at my current confusion.
07:52:53 <Speuler> and, instead, offer accessing words
07:53:25 <PoppaVic> again, I can agree - there is no need for folks to be doing @/! on shit that isn't theirs.
07:53:47 <Speuler> yes. example: no  dp ,    here and allot  instead
07:54:28 <PoppaVic> I'm not at all sure how 'here' & friends should work, at the moment..
07:54:45 <PoppaVic> ..I've been fighting the vm for too long, I suppose.
07:55:13 <Speuler> what threading do you use ?
07:56:29 <PoppaVic> I'm fighting that very issue.. I'd like to retain the "vectors" acess, overall - where we store func-pointers and just fetch to a var & such ala' "foo= VM->?; foo(VM);...
07:56:40 <Speuler> byte token, with word-token expansion here
07:57:02 <PoppaVic> would be a lookup-table, so that simply adds a level of indirection.
07:57:17 <Speuler> an array, containing addresses to words, elements referenced by byte token as index
07:57:28 <PoppaVic> aamof - that indirection only works for secondaries anyay
07:57:33 <PoppaVic> right
07:58:10 <Speuler> i use that for  word handlers, primitives and hi-level words
07:58:21 <PoppaVic> well, when I see your current code, I can make some judgements.. I believe we still need the cfa or xt or wtf to be a func-ptr to "the interpreter".
07:59:09 <Speuler> my xt is almost equivalent to header number
07:59:23 <Speuler> can't stay that way as soon vocs are introduced
07:59:29 <PoppaVic> yeah, that "Xt" shit is melting my brain.
07:59:46 <PoppaVic> hmm.. sure it can.
07:59:49 <onetom> what 4th r u talkin about?
08:00:10 <Speuler> when is say "latest" (something like "last @"), i get (with one voc) the number of headers
08:00:10 <PoppaVic> the ID or token is still going to index.. a voc is just for string-lookups.
08:00:17 <Speuler> i.e. last header = last word.
08:00:36 <Speuler> latest name   gives me the ascii string of the header,
08:00:46 <Speuler> onetom: we're undoing forth
08:00:55 <onetom> Speuler: ?
08:01:04 <Speuler> onetom: then we reassemble the bits and pieces
08:01:20 <PoppaVic> yeah.. Again, I'm looking at how we can make this work based on whatever other systems we like features of, but totally sans ans-reliance.. There simply has to be a better way afte 20 years of folks tinkering.
08:01:21 <onetom> but what 4th? or openfirmware?
08:02:05 <Speuler> onetom: basically, trying to get a standard-independent forth together, one which adheres to all standards
08:02:22 <Speuler> therfore "commonforth"
08:02:25 <PoppaVic> well, at least sans ans/ansi/commercial whackiness
08:02:32 <onetom> aha
08:02:40 <onetom> gcd4th? ;)
08:02:55 <PoppaVic> the point is to define and implement a basic, portable standard from which anyone can implement a copy on any other machine.
08:03:00 <Speuler> onetom: if one would want to use ans, he'd need to load the ans extension
08:03:07 <onetom> c
08:03:10 <PoppaVic> RIGHT!
08:03:16 <Speuler> i'm usingforth
08:03:19 <onetom> greatest common denominator
08:03:30 <PoppaVic> yeah - basically.
08:03:37 <Speuler> writing a byte-token forth in forth
08:03:49 <onetom> aaand?
08:04:03 <Speuler> and what ?
08:04:07 <PoppaVic> and yeah, if we can make it a byte-token baseline, then it should run nearly anywhere - if not everywhere.
08:04:19 * onetom is also about 2 hack a 4th 4 menuetos, so hes interested in the details
08:04:43 <PoppaVic> Speuler: I'd ALSO like to periodically pause and consider metacompilation.
08:04:59 <Speuler> onetom: my current version runs a rudimentary text interpreter, and some defining words work
08:05:14 <Speuler> onetom: i did i bit of meta-izing it
08:05:30 <Speuler> onetom: earlier versions ca be found on www.forthfreak.net
08:05:47 <Speuler> onetom: but the machine i'm working on has no net access at the moment
08:06:00 <onetom> Speuler: but u r ircing...
08:06:35 <Speuler> i'm at the house of the parents of a friends girlfriend, who livein the same house, right now
08:07:15 <Speuler> i need net about 50 meters away from here
08:07:26 <Speuler> just busy with that
08:07:49 <Speuler> (i've moved away form the pervious location)
08:08:09 <Speuler> still need to get installed
08:08:47 <Speuler> basically, all things moved into the new office, everything still standing and lying around
08:09:17 <Speuler> not even water in the kitchen yet
08:09:29 <Speuler> that comes later. first internet :)
08:09:47 <Speuler> and, there IS water in the toilet. 
08:09:55 <Speuler> just no light yet
08:09:57 <Speuler> :)
08:10:19 <Speuler> well, the fridge is working
08:10:32 <Speuler> thsu, beer stays cold
08:11:18 <Speuler> there's a pub in the same building, open till 3 a.m.
08:11:32 <PoppaVic> beer is good - I've got so othe many issues of late, I'm trying to focus on the solvable.
08:11:52 <Speuler> like, how to cap the bottle ?
08:12:18 <Speuler> "Andechser" (nice beer) is pretty cheap here
08:12:32 <Speuler> but, the monastery is in the vicinity
08:12:45 <PoppaVic> as in.. where is my 12v probe - cuz the truck is now legal, but it's screwed up; and property.. and where to set the house. and a shed - where to put it, what it costs, and.. well, the list rolls
08:13:20 <Speuler> left my truck in munich
08:13:25 <Speuler> as a weekend home 
08:13:44 <PoppaVic> Got it all insured & legal, and now the distributor isn't getting juice *sigh*
08:13:50 <Speuler> actually, is used for living by the daughter of the people i'm internetting from right now
08:15:22 <Speuler> ah. new connectors for the network cable came in
08:15:30 <Speuler> i'm off again
08:15:36 <PoppaVic> well, make sure you mail me that code
08:15:48 <Speuler> need to make sure cable is not going to be messed up again
08:15:54 <PoppaVic> yep
08:16:12 <Speuler> PoppaVic: when i'm online, i'll put it onto  www.forthfreak.net
08:16:24 <Speuler> there's the forthforth project
08:16:25 <PoppaVic> hrrmm.. shit. Ok.
08:16:26 <Speuler> in htere.
08:16:30 <Speuler> last version
08:17:00 <Speuler> but i'll also pop up on this # when i'm on
08:17:14 <PoppaVic> btw - the latest ABI.[ch] gen adds real-number support, and I began to work with ascii/wide-char codification.
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10:14:56 <Speuler> yes!
10:15:58 <Speuler> resuming internet operation
10:17:07 <Robert> Hi
10:17:19 <PoppaVic> wb
10:17:19 <Speuler> hi the_rob
10:17:44 * Robert bows.
10:18:16 <PoppaVic> I threw my ABI shit at another guy.. hoping for more feedback.. *sigh*
10:19:33 <I440r> :)
10:20:16 <PoppaVic> Speuler: you up yet? or able to dcc, anyway?
10:21:51 <Speuler> PoppaVic: i just uploaded ff11.f to www.forthfreak.net
10:22:11 <Speuler> full url is  www.forthfreak.net/forthforth/ff11.f
10:22:23 <PoppaVic> if it's all pure forth - how is it built? I need more info, Speuler
10:22:36 <Speuler> just load it into forth, and execute  run
10:22:42 <Speuler> for example,
10:22:45 <Speuler> gforth ff11.f
10:22:46 <Speuler> run
10:22:49 <PoppaVic> yeah.. I was afraid of that
10:23:07 <PoppaVic> :load it into forth" sorta' defeats my point.
10:23:47 <Speuler> at this moment i finf it less important to have a stand-alone version, 
10:24:01 <Speuler> i prefer to stabilize the words a bit
10:24:24 * PoppaVic sighs
10:24:46 <PoppaVic> is yer dcc working today?
10:25:05 <Speuler> don't know. i doubt. behind firewall
10:25:20 <PoppaVic> then yer screwed.. <shrug> ok.
10:25:21 <Speuler> but saft works
10:26:05 <Speuler> if not to the gateway, then to Speuler@forthfreak.net
10:27:04 <PoppaVic> loading
10:28:00 <Speuler> words  works
10:28:32 <Speuler> "find" and "words" use lots of common code
10:28:46 <PoppaVic> incoming..
10:29:16 <Speuler> there's no "word". i'm using "parse" instead
10:29:29 <Speuler> parse  ( c -- a n )
10:30:02 <PoppaVic> Splash..
10:30:34 <Speuler> and no number input 
10:31:10 <PoppaVic> well, the core is what I'd debate anyway.
10:40:35 <PoppaVic> You got it, Speuler?
10:45:14 <PoppaVic> number input, btw, is trivial - binary or whatever.
10:45:35 <PoppaVic> ..assuming we leverage libc ;->
10:49:05 <PoppaVic> ok, I give - email me.
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10:50:13 <onetom> Speuler: xforth :)) thx 4 the uploading
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10:55:14 <Speuler> yes, mail got here
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17:36:03 <a7r> hey
17:41:46 <ez4>  yes?
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20:52:11 <futhin> look lively, gentlemen!
20:52:31 <Sonarman> hidey-ho!
20:53:13 <futhin> what? the ho is hiding?
20:54:33 <futhin> sonarman: quick, activate the sonar!
20:55:42 <futhin> rise to periscope depth
20:55:56 <futhin> go to red alert
20:58:56 <Sonarman> bling bling bling, thar she blows (her nose)!
20:59:27 <futhin> omg!! roundabout 5 degrees to starport!
20:59:37 <futhin> we're gonna bump her!
20:59:53 <Sonarman> well then, we'd better aim at ye right spot, aye?
21:00:14 <futhin> that's what we're doing
21:01:02 <Sonarman> Shiver me timbers!  She's got... a staple gun!  Raise deflector shields, divert all power to them (except for the toilet pipes, keep sending power there, i gotta go)
21:02:29 <futhin> Lower shields and beam me over, Scotty!
21:03:04 <futhin> I will dearm U.S.S Whitney manually.
21:03:42 <Sonarman> heeheehee
21:04:23 <futhin> whew, that was a close call
21:04:31 <futhin> back to our day jobs, coding forth!
21:07:21 <futhin> sonarman: so what ya coding in forth these days?
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22:34:04 <serg_ghost> re
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