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00:12:53 <Robert> Hey serg
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01:40:00 <deluxe> salut
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02:43:48 <serg_ghost> re
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02:56:04 <deluxe> serg_ghost: howdy
02:59:34 <serg_ghost> hi
02:59:41 <serg_ghost> i'm trubbled
03:00:02 <serg_ghost> wanna find a windoze Forth w/ OpenGL, or add one to SPF4
03:00:29 <serg_ghost> or maybe DirectX ?
03:00:36 <deluxe> oh?
03:01:00 <serg_ghost> SPF has a word to use external DDL's
03:01:18 <serg_ghost> WinApi: glEnable opengl.dll
03:01:52 <serg_ghost> adds word glEnable to dictionary, and this word routes a call to DLL sub
03:01:56 <serg_ghost> but:
03:02:13 <serg_ghost> i can't figure how to make callbacks
03:03:18 <serg_ghost> in C, it reads:
03:03:54 <serg_ghost> void CALLBACK resize ( crap: some )
03:03:56 <deluxe> serg_ghost: swiftforth should be able too, incl. docs for it
03:04:47 <serg_ghost> but how the hell can i know what is CALLBACK and how to Forth'ize it :((
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03:05:01 <serg_ghost> TNX will google 4 it
03:09:19 * serg_ghost wannna go inet-cafe and suck all Forths what get under my rat arrow
04:35:08 <serg_ghost> =8-{Z}
04:35:38 <serg_ghost> two stupid girls here nearly took apart LJ 1100 printer :)
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05:27:43 <serg_ghost> hi
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06:01:05 <sifbot> Type sifbot: <forth code here> (or /msg sifbot <forth code here> to play in private)
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06:08:40 <Stepan> hi there
06:08:48 <Stepan> anyone seen segher lately?
06:09:29 <PoppaVic> no
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09:11:19 <PoppaVic> Funeral Parlor.
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10:21:03 <PoppaVic> hrrmm... It's the lack of a metacompiler.. argh.
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13:10:15 <Robert> Hoi nizchka
13:38:38 <nizchka> I do some forth coding, but I'm not that good yey
13:39:10 <nizchka> I was hoping  to find speuler online
13:39:13 <Robert> Was that just a random statement, or did someone ask you anything?
13:39:30 <Robert> Okay.. Haven't seen him in a while :(
13:39:56 <nizchka> sorry l440r was asking something
13:40:22 <Robert> Didn't see that... damn netsplit.
13:40:30 <Robert> Bet I was on the other side of it.
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13:54:55 <I440r> lol
14:05:01 <Robert> Hey
14:05:47 <Robert> Now that reminded me of Pink Floyd, "see you on the dark side of the netsplit/the Moon!"
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14:12:05 <deluxe> bon soir
14:13:51 <a7r> yoh
14:19:56 <deluxe> http://www.geocities.com/eleks_76/color.zip
14:20:27 <deluxe> seen on http://www.forth.org.ru/
14:21:21 <deluxe> broken link atm, some1 has it available?
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14:34:55 <ramnull> What's up?
14:49:06 <ramnull> bbk
14:49:08 <ramnull> bbl
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21:32:47 <jdamisch> HI
21:46:33 <Jim7J1AJH> Good afternoon.
21:50:50 <jdamisch> HI
21:50:52 <jdamisch> hi
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23:19:07 <jdamisch> Knock Knock
23:39:41 <serg_ghost> re
23:39:57 * serg_ghost played GTA: Vice City yesterday
23:40:13 <jdamisch> hi
23:40:17 <jdamisch> brb
23:41:37 <jdamisch> back
23:42:43 <jdamisch> I was playing Quadrix, a tetris like game written in Win32Forth
23:43:11 <jdamisch> It just uses BitBlt
23:43:40 <jdamisch> There is also a tetris as a Source Sample in SwiftForth
23:43:47 <jdamisch> it also uses BitBlt
23:44:05 <jdamisch> I wonder if BitBlt is fast enough to do a fast arcade game?
23:44:59 <jdamisch> 2D I mean
23:46:27 <serg_ghost> if in ASM, why not ? or w/ DirectDraw
23:46:48 <jdamisch> DirectDraw looks alot harder to set up than BitBlt
23:46:52 <jdamisch> as far as I know
23:47:07 <jdamisch> The games are in high level Forth
23:49:02 <jdamisch> the only way to find out is to try
23:49:12 <jdamisch> maybe one of these days I'll port Skampy to PC
23:49:21 <serg_ghost> Skampy ?
23:49:41 <jdamisch> its a game I wrote for the Atari ST in Forth
23:49:57 <serg_ghost> and what it is ? arcade ?
23:50:03 <jdamisch> It would probably be a rewrite, there were some things I could have done simpler
23:50:08 <jdamisch> yes, its a gobble game
23:50:26 <jdamisch> its kinda like pac-man but it has some things different
23:50:30 <jdamisch> actually, alot different
23:50:45 <jdamisch> you gather stones and shoot them at the enemies, instead of having power pellets
23:50:52 <jdamisch> and there are 3 different kinds of monsters
23:51:37 <jdamisch> the ghost monsters travel along a predetermined path unless the timer runs out
23:51:45 <jdamisch> in that case they chase you through walls
23:51:57 <jdamisch> they can go through walls, and rocks are not effective against them
23:52:05 <jdamisch> you have to step on a green tile to stun them
23:52:22 <jdamisch> the skull monsters are effected by rocks and green stun tiles.
23:52:29 <jdamisch> they also move along a predetermined path
23:52:35 <jdamisch> they cannot move through walls
23:52:42 * serg_ghost loses in spinal games :((
23:53:04 * serg_ghost wins in brain games :))
23:53:10 <jdamisch> the eyeball monster uses chaser logic to chase Skampy down
23:53:28 <jdamisch> eyeball monster is effected by rocks and stun
23:53:30 <serg_ghost> is his chase fair ?
23:53:33 <jdamisch> he cannnot move through walls
23:53:46 <serg_ghost> or he knows where you are all the time ?
23:53:55 <serg_ghost> can it _see_ thru walls ?
23:54:01 <jdamisch> I am better in arcade games than in brain games
23:54:19 <jdamisch> it can see through walls, yes
23:54:23 <jdamisch> it uses simple chaser logic
23:54:36 <serg_ghost> SUX !
23:54:38 <jdamisch> but it cannot get stuck, if there is a wall directly between you and him
23:54:52 <jdamisch> because he then uses a random number seed to pick a way around the wall
23:54:56 <jdamisch> :^)
23:54:58 <jdamisch> its a hard game
23:55:15 <jdamisch> it looks like its for little kids with cute graphics, but its harder than nails
23:55:27 * serg_ghost turns even spinal ones to brain
23:55:32 <jdamisch> its a game of fast reflexes
23:55:50 <jdamisch> no, if you are not quick you will die in my games :^)
23:55:56 <jdamisch> everybody has there own tastes
23:55:59 <serg_ghost> it's a game of _unnatural_ reflexes
23:56:25 <jdamisch> you sometimes have to have fast reflexes in real life, but not sitting on your butt
23:56:36 <jdamisch> tetris is more like a puzzle game
23:56:51 <serg_ghost> we aren't optimized by evolution to control ourselves from outside on a flat screen :((
23:57:00 <jdamisch> not sitting on your butt unless you are driving
23:57:31 <serg_ghost> on RU roads, driving is being kicked in butt all th way :((
23:57:33 <jdamisch> some people are better at arcade games than others
23:57:39 <jdamisch> i am good at some types
23:58:01 * serg_ghost is good at car and air sims
23:58:23 <jdamisch> I can be ok at car games
23:58:25 <serg_ghost> + all kinds of Diablo and U-boats
23:58:28 <jdamisch> i'm not into sims generally
23:59:46 <jdamisch> brb
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