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01:13:43 <serg> did one wrote any network proggies in forth ?
01:14:06 <serg> i wann write news suck 4 win32, need some advice\xperience
01:21:06 <a7r> serg: I'm writing a networking stack in forth.. but it's not done yet
01:22:15 <serg> hmm.. not so low level
01:22:42 <serg> in SPF, i have words "open socket", "write to socket" etc...
01:23:15 <serg> i mean level of protocols like NNTP , POP3 , HTTP etc
01:23:34 <serg> i looked on HTTPD in examples, but it's utter mess at my taste
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01:27:40 <serg> -> a7r do u write TCP/IP stack in Forth from scratch ???
01:27:49 <a7r> yeah
01:27:56 <a7r> TCP over IPv6
01:28:14 <serg> IPv6 from scratch too ??
01:28:17 <a7r> yup
01:28:47 <serg> so on what do u have as base ? NIC driver only ?
01:29:10 <a7r> so far, I'm writing packets into memory, I need to work on my hardware interface
01:29:44 <serg> hmm... so how do you _test_ your packets, if not on another working system ??
01:29:52 <a7r> by hand so far
01:30:15 <serg> =8-{Z}
01:30:26 <a7r> when they're working well enough, I'm going to hook pforth up to libpcap and libnet, and simulate the hardware.
01:30:45 * serg trusts computers more than hand and eye
01:30:47 <a7r> and after I get things talking properly, I'll hook it up to the hardware.
01:31:04 <a7r> serg: if your eye catches it, it's really wrong.
01:31:21 <a7r> and my packets look correct byte by byte,.. 
01:31:52 * serg would rather start from h/w i/face, then try to accept\parse packets, then try to make my own...
01:32:02 <a7r> that doesn't make sense
01:32:08 <a7r> how would you test the hardware?
01:32:16 <a7r> .. like, in this case, I'm doing this on top of a POSIX environment
01:32:28 <serg> and then try to make them so correct what they can be understood by well tested BSD :)))
01:32:52 <a7r> pushing packets against KAME
01:33:53 <serg> KAME ???
01:34:07 <a7r> it's the networking stack that all current BSDs use
01:34:28 <a7r> http://www.kame.net/
01:34:37 * serg uses Linux, BSD in learning queue :))
01:35:28 <serg> and , anyway, i'll write my proggie 4 WinSUX
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02:58:30 <Klaw> dah
02:58:35 <Klaw> i agree with a7r's method
02:58:50 <Klaw> it's more thorough
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03:25:20 <Serg_Penguin> hi mur
03:31:54 <mur> hello Serg_Penguin!
03:35:53 <Serg_Penguin> mur: what do u work on now ?
03:36:24 <mur> i'm playing colonization :P
03:36:59 <mur> with smallpox :P (building cities next to each other asap)
03:37:59 <mur> and you? do you have some suggestions ? :)
03:40:50 <Serg_Penguin> wanna write NNTP suck in Forth but have no time
03:41:17 <Serg_Penguin> RU has 3 concurrent codepages and NO newsreader what can grok that crap
03:41:33 <Serg_Penguin> so i decided just to dump news into TXT file
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03:41:59 <mur> arg :P
03:42:08 <Serg_Penguin> arg ???
03:42:20 <mur> that there are no tools to format data
03:42:49 <Serg_Penguin> also, i think on open (RFCed) protocol 4 inet paging, ICQ-like
03:43:02 <Serg_Penguin> the trubble is how to make it spam-proof
03:43:07 <Serg_Penguin> by design
03:53:17 <mur> hmm each client coudl have some identity tag and spam coudl blackmark the tag, although then the problem woudl have happened already. also, some limit on send messages. e.g. similar message causes alarm or such :P
04:05:41 <Serg_Penguin> i think - because chat is _dialog_, number of msg's in each direction should be approx. th same
04:06:15 <Serg_Penguin> and if one sends 10 but recieves 1, he should be blocked for some time, dependant of how rapid he sent
04:06:35 <mur> and pasting sourcecode?
04:07:04 <Serg_Penguin> and because this is dialog of humans who can't type at 10Mbit, if one sends too rapid he gets blocked
04:07:23 <Serg_Penguin> src -> zip -> email
04:07:33 <Serg_Penguin> few lines of src are OK
04:07:43 <Serg_Penguin> or direct mode
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04:32:54 <Serg_Penguin> how can i avoid sys messages w/ -!- (in irssi) ? 
04:32:59 <Serg_Penguin> netsplits make lotsa scroll
04:41:00 <mur> going out
04:41:01 <mur> bbl
04:41:03 <mur> cya
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08:44:37 <TheBlueWizard> hiya all
08:47:04 <mur> terve!
08:47:05 <mur> :)
08:47:15 <TheBlueWizard> hei mur! :)
08:47:39 * TheBlueWizard is having a day off, that's why he is here early
08:48:24 <mur> what is the time there?
08:48:56 <TheBlueWizard> 11:50 AM
08:52:12 * TheBlueWizard stretches
08:55:07 <mur> you dont usually have ip address as host or you irc often at work? :)
08:55:36 <TheBlueWizard> I'm at home...there is no IRC at work
08:55:50 <mur> hm okay
08:56:00 <mur> usually uou have some fcc address now youhave only ip address
08:56:54 <TheBlueWizard> beats me...FCC does whatever it does :-P...I am required to use DHCP to connect to my ISP
08:59:30 <TheBlueWizard> mur: if you see an IP number instead of FCC number, that means that IP address cannot be nslookup'ed back into a name
09:06:33 <mur> how's day started, tbw`
09:06:59 <TheBlueWizard> it starts out slow...heh...you?
09:13:38 * TheBlueWizard notes that this "FCC" is not fcc.gov...it is fcc.net...an ISP company
09:14:34 <mur> :)
09:15:06 <mur> nothing special
09:15:19 * TheBlueWizard nods
09:15:22 <mur> been playing colonization 
09:15:34 <TheBlueWizard> everything so mundane, hmm? :)
09:15:52 <TheBlueWizard> colonization? a commercial game?
09:16:09 <mur> well yes
09:16:19 <mur> not that i had paid for it :P
09:16:23 <mur> old game
09:16:29 <mur> not sold anymore, afaik
09:17:44 <TheBlueWizard> no longer in market....I see...soon to be...(drum rolls) an abandonware! ;)
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09:24:41 <mur> it's good game, even though it's politically most incorrect
09:24:56 <mur> good is that you get minus score from destroying each village
09:25:22 <TheBlueWizard> how is it politically incorrect?
09:26:19 <mur> colonization of america
09:27:00 <mur> destroying natives
09:27:13 <mur> for instance
09:27:32 <TheBlueWizard> oh....I don't know what this colonization game is all about...I now see...
09:27:50 <mur> it is like civilization
09:28:03 <TheBlueWizard> mmhmm
09:28:24 <mur> the good thing about it  is that you can play it in many ways. trade goods, manufacture items, conquer, cooperate
09:28:40 <mur> you downloaded colonization?
09:28:51 <TheBlueWizard> no
09:29:38 <mur> okay
09:29:51 * mur has also been doing arts
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09:53:15 <mur> TheBlueWizard what are you doing?
09:53:52 <TheBlueWizard> read web articles and chatting a bit :)
09:53:55 <TheBlueWizard> why?
09:55:05 <mur> nothign really
09:55:35 <TheBlueWizard> trying to catch me in the act, eh? :)
09:55:47 <mur> nah
09:56:11 <TheBlueWizard> lol ok
09:59:29 <mur> well you never know ;)
10:00:30 <TheBlueWizard> yup...and I could say the same for you...
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11:40:45 <a7r> morning..
11:40:51 <TheBlueWizard> hiya a7r
11:42:05 <mur> i thin k i leave now
11:42:38 <mur> cya!
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12:32:34 <I440r> tbw!!
12:32:51 <a7r> hey
12:33:00 <I440r> and a7r :)
12:33:07 <I440r> hows your coding going ?
12:33:11 <I440r> getting to grips with forth ?
12:33:26 <a7r> I 'finished' my SHA1 implementation last night
12:33:51 <a7r> functionally it's 100% complete, and I tested it against a couple different data sets, and everything seemed to sync up.
12:34:18 <I440r> cool! 
12:34:22 <I440r> you releasing the sources ?
12:34:28 <a7r> yeah
12:34:29 <TheBlueWizard> hiya I440r!!!!!
12:34:41 <a7r> http://www.aereon.net/a7r/source/sha1.fth
12:34:52 <TheBlueWizard> what's SHA1?
12:35:01 <a7r> onetom has been giving me advice.. I should add a thanks to the top of the file
12:35:02 <I440r> tncryption
12:35:08 <a7r> TheBlueWizard: a cryptographic hashing algorithm.
12:35:26 <a7r> it doesn't encrypt necessarily, but it allows you to get a message digest of data
12:35:41 <I440r> which forth did you use again ?>
12:35:45 <a7r> pforth
12:35:53 <I440r> does it allow $abcde as a hex number ?
12:36:04 <a7r> dunno
12:36:21 <I440r> i prefer staying in decimal and using $1234 etc for hex that way its less ambiguous :)
12:36:34 <a7r> no, it doesn't support it
12:36:49 <I440r> aha. not all forths do :/
12:36:51 <onetom> a7r: ;)
12:37:43 <I440r> aer all these #k1 #k2 etc constants only used in one place each ?
12:37:54 <a7r> they're used in different ranges of rounds
12:37:55 <I440r> if so it would be better if they were compiled as literals. small and a hell of alot faster
12:38:09 <a7r> yeah
12:38:17 <a7r> I'm thinking of breaking the rounds down into loops
12:38:26 * TheBlueWizard is back
12:38:30 <I440r> ok :)
12:38:38 <TheBlueWizard> a7r: I see...written in Forth...cool
12:38:44 <I440r> i dont understand the code but if you say its working ill trust you heh
12:39:19 <a7r> I440r: http://www.itl.nist.gov/fipspubs/fip180-1.htm <- the spec makes it a lot easier to understand
12:39:29 <I440r> i assume your forth (like mine) uses << and >> for bit shifts instead of teh lame ass gay bullshgit ans lshift/rshift 
12:39:38 <I440r> i mean the forth you are using :)
12:39:43 <a7r> yeah
12:40:08 <I440r> lshift is so GHEY!!!!!!!!! bleh
12:40:12 * TheBlueWizard laughs re: I440r's derogatory words
12:40:26 <I440r> why not call it "shift_left_by_n1_bits"
12:40:42 <TheBlueWizard> seems you like C way of doing shifting
12:41:06 <I440r> << is so much better, its not as verbose. all that bullshit verbosity ans forth has is so UN-forth
12:41:19 <I440r> no. i like being brief, not verbose
12:41:31 <I440r> im supprised ans forth didnt rename @ to fetch and ! to store
12:41:51 <I440r> they totally fuced up !> and renamed it to "to" which is an INCOMPLETE name
12:42:01 <I440r> "!>" pronounced Store To
12:42:09 <I440r> "to" doesnt say what the fuck its doing. 
12:42:19 * TheBlueWizard sees
12:42:29 <I440r> it could equally mean "GO to" as well as "store
12:42:29 <TheBlueWizard> agree
12:43:03 <I440r> :/
12:43:27 <I440r> and what teh fuck is "char+" for lol
12:43:50 <I440r>  i dont like any of those words, specially not "cell" "cell+" etc
12:44:13 <TheBlueWizard> I happen to disagree with you re: cell cell+ etc.
12:44:30 <TheBlueWizard> I find it much more readable for a change
12:45:05 <I440r> no. its all politically correct bullshit to make your code work on any machine no matter what the default cell size
12:45:08 <I440r> BULLSHIT
12:45:24 <I440r> when you write a program it should KNOW what cell size it will be run under
12:45:35 <I440r> and you should use 1+ 2+ 4+ etc
12:45:46 <I440r> portability is an absolute MYTH
12:45:52 <ianni> but that is less *clear*, isnt it?
12:45:55 <fridge> forth and portable code are mutally exclusive concepts imho
12:46:03 <I440r> which is why alot of "portable" ans sources have alot of bandaid in them
12:46:12 <ianni> i mean if you used 4+CELL 
12:46:29 <ianni> i dunno, i guess im just playing devils advocate ;)
12:46:34 <I440r> i use 4+ because i KNOW the cell size of the machine.
12:46:34 <TheBlueWizard> I know portability is a myth...but readability still does count
12:46:54 <I440r> tbw "cell+" does NOTHING for readability
12:47:04 <ianni> well, I guess 4+ is  faster than : CELL+ 4+ ;  huh?
12:47:33 <I440r> the less characters you have for a word name the easier it is for the eye to scan over it
12:47:41 <I440r> 4+ is more brief than "cell+"
12:47:57 <I440r> you have to INTERPRET the word cell. the number needs no interpretation
12:48:09 <I440r> i mean YOU have to interpret it, not forth :)
12:48:14 <ianni> right
12:49:22 <I440r> and if you write the code to fit ONE machine ONE operating system then you dont have to keep modifying HOW you write yor code just to accomodate all the crap you have to do to make it "portable"
12:49:41 <TheBlueWizard> AFAIK Forth is traditionally envisioned as a very long array of fixed size "cells"
12:54:52 <TheBlueWizard> hmm...things go real quiet here
12:55:04 <a7r> yeah
12:55:15 <a7r> everyone is too busy figureing out with their non-portable Forth isn't working. :>
12:55:21 <a7r> s/rei/ri/
12:55:42 <I440r> MY non portable forth IS working :)
12:57:08 * TheBlueWizard advertises that ": .. dup 32767 > if 45 emit 0 swap - then . ;" for sifbot can display signed numbers all nice-n-warm :)
12:58:35 <I440r> why the fuck does "www.google.com" in IE take you to "auto.search.msn" or something
12:58:37 <I440r> argh
12:58:41 <I440r> i fucking hate microshit
13:00:38 <TheBlueWizard> google.com works just fine on my IE5
13:01:21 <TheBlueWizard> and on IE6SP1 at work...I think it is in config section...hafta look at it (I once had to muck around with the settings at work per security measures)
13:01:43 <I440r> well it did so here too after i pressed stop and restarted it. but ie tried to take me to some fucked up msn site first time
13:03:56 <TheBlueWizard> hmm...
13:05:31 <TheBlueWizard> I don't know what to say...I never have seen this behavior...out of curiosity, did you try http://google.com (no www. there)?
13:06:55 <I440r> just www
13:07:02 <I440r> www.google.com
13:07:41 <TheBlueWizard> and google.com doesn't work?  I always type in google.com
13:08:30 <I440r> you dont even need to say .com
13:08:40 <I440r> you CAN type "google" and it should get there
13:10:17 <TheBlueWizard> I know...but I usually type it "in full" (actually, IE caches the URL so as soon as I type "http://go" in the Open dialog, I get a listing and I picked the very first one -- http://google.com, and I immediately go to it -- no MSN crap
13:10:54 <TheBlueWizard> so I believe it must be some settings...try Tools/Internet Options... and see where it might be a culprit
13:14:14 <I440r> nah, i never use ie, only reason im doing so now is because i reinstalled. need to download netscape again :)
13:14:29 <TheBlueWizard> ah
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13:51:47 <TheBlueWizard> hiya ramnull
13:51:57 <ramnull> Hey, hows it going?
13:53:06 <TheBlueWizard> doing fine
13:56:06 <ramnull> Watcha working on?
13:58:02 <TheBlueWizard> right now, I'm relaxing...I will need to go food shopping soon
13:59:00 <ramnull> I gotta go to work in a few hours. But I get tommorrow night off. Woohoo.
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14:00:53 <TheBlueWizard> :)
14:01:23 <ramnull> I440r has the hardest time with IRC.
14:02:19 <TheBlueWizard> hmm?
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14:05:08 <a7r> re..
14:05:33 <TheBlueWizard> hiya a7r again
14:05:39 <Robert> Hi :)
14:06:05 <ramnull> Well, I got isforth syscalls figured out, I think.
14:07:54 <TheBlueWizard> :)
14:08:13 <TheBlueWizard> but I440r just got disconnected from here :(
14:12:46 <ramnull> I'm gonna have to fiddle with these syscalls. Theres about a zillion of 'em.
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14:13:57 <ramnull> This 'exec' word is slick though. Nice and quick.
14:13:59 <TheBlueWizard> heh
14:14:40 <ramnull> I know how to do syscalls from Assembler, so playing with these shouldn't be to difficult.
14:15:22 * TheBlueWizard nods
14:15:26 <TheBlueWizard> have fun! :)
14:16:13 <ramnull> Hey, has anyone ever had the balls to develop an actual Forth RAD tool?
14:17:19 * TheBlueWizard checks his balls...not hairy by far :)
14:18:20 <ramnull> Just curious. A buddy of mine suggested it. Thought it was kinda funny, as one shouldn't need a RAD tool for Forth.
14:19:45 <Robert> How do I find out how large a floating point number is in an ANS forth?
14:19:49 <Robert> (In bytes)
14:20:11 <TheBlueWizard> though sometimes it would be nice to be able to look up Forth words based on their functionality...like, "ok, show me the string manipulating words..."
14:20:46 <TheBlueWizard> Robert: no idea how to do that
14:21:27 <Robert> OK
14:21:27 <Robert> I'
14:21:29 * ramnull nods
14:21:31 <Robert> I'll just assume 8 :P
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14:22:28 <TheBlueWizard> oh, you mean how many bytes it takes up?
14:24:15 <Robert> Yes
14:24:17 <Robert> Hey wossname :)
14:24:17 * TheBlueWizard hmms...thinks it would be a simpler way...but am surprised to see that he has no idea either
14:24:23 <TheBlueWizard> hiya wossname
14:24:24 <Robert> You RL-wannabe.
14:24:27 <onetom> a7r: if so it would be better if they were compiled as
14:24:27 <onetom>                         literals. small and a hell of alot faster
14:24:35 <wossname> hi robert, bluewiz
14:24:37 <onetom> a7r: its implementation dependent
14:24:44 <a7r> onetom: okay
14:24:49 <onetom> a7r: eg in flux there is not such distinction
14:26:14 <ramnull> FPs compiled as literals would be faster?
14:26:35 <onetom> i440r cant deteach himself from his own baby - isforth - and from the ancient usual implementation techniques
14:26:38 <TheBlueWizard> Robert: are you trying to insult me?
14:26:50 <Robert> TheBlueWizard: No?
14:27:13 <Robert> TheBlueWizard: Why would I want to do that? Asking for floating-point size isn't an insult
14:27:20 <TheBlueWizard> you said "You RL-wannabe" (assuming RL == Real Life)
14:27:23 <Robert> Ah!
14:27:26 <Robert> I meant wossname. :)
14:27:34 <wossname> ;l
14:27:39 * Robert pets it
14:27:41 <wossname> ^_^^
14:27:50 <TheBlueWizard> oh? hmm....ok I'll bite...what's RL then?
14:28:05 <Robert> Real Life, of course.
14:28:11 <Robert> He's not on IRC enough.
14:28:17 <Robert> Got to remind him of that once in a while
14:28:28 <TheBlueWizard> hmm...ok explain that blurb then...I don't understand it
14:28:47 <TheBlueWizard> oh...hmm...ok
14:29:12 <Robert> He used to be here every day.
14:29:17 <Robert> Not anymore. :(
14:29:24 <Robert> And he can't provide me with a good enough explanation.
14:29:26 <Robert> ;)
14:30:25 <TheBlueWizard> ah
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14:53:25 <TheBlueWizard> hiya divgrad
14:53:25 <Robert> Hi divgrad 
14:53:43 <divgrad> hi,hi
14:53:57 <divgrad> hiya even
14:55:37 <TheBlueWizard> :)
14:58:49 * TheBlueWizard mumbles something about divgrad psi = 0
14:58:54 <TheBlueWizard> :)
14:59:52 <divgrad> do u think i know what 'psi' is?
15:00:31 <TheBlueWizard> hehe....do you know what that equation is?
15:01:31 <divgrad> hmm ... err maybe
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15:02:01 <divgrad> it was long ago :)
15:02:35 <TheBlueWizard> it is called Laplacian equation ;)
15:03:19 * divgrad digs his persistent memory
15:03:53 <divgrad> in some doubt if laplacian is divgrad or graddiv
15:04:42 <divgrad> ok
15:07:08 <TheBlueWizard> no need to dig up...just go to http://mathworld.wolfram.com/LaplacesEquation.html
15:07:53 <TheBlueWizard> div takes a vector, and gives scalar.  grad takes in a vector and gives a vector
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15:09:13 <divgrad> divgrad = nice city
15:10:46 <TheBlueWizard> a city? hmm...
15:11:01 <divgrad> yes, w/o any hmm
15:11:32 <TheBlueWizard> by the way, http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Laplacian.html clearly shows that t^2 = divgrad where t is a stand in for that funny upside down triangle symbol
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15:19:04 <divgrad> once i met 'div_rot'
15:19:32 <TheBlueWizard> hmm
15:19:42 <divgrad> maybe he's still alive somewhere on icq
15:20:01 <TheBlueWizard> well, I must go now...bye all!
15:20:08 <divgrad> bye
15:20:27 <TheBlueWizard> bye divgrad :)
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21:33:10 <a7r> evening
21:34:21 <kc5tja> re
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