00:00:00 --- log: started forth/03.04.22 00:42:45 --- join: ramnull (~nicad@12-241-145-39.client.attbi.com) joined #forth 00:43:40 What's up? Everyone lurking? 00:47:00 shhh 00:47:09 we're hunting wabbits 00:48:10 Heh. 00:48:20 --- quit: njd ("BitchX: now Y2K compatible!") 00:48:54 Hey, I'm looking around on docs describing different ways to link a Forth app with a C lib. An pointers? 00:49:20 --- quit: bwb ("Later") 01:19:34 --- quit: gilbertdeb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:21:16 --- quit: ramnull ("This isn't Happy Hour!") 01:33:26 --- quit: Fractal (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:33:56 --- join: karingo (karingo@108.portland-01rh15rt.or.dial-access.att.net) joined #forth 01:57:43 --- join: Fractal (oxcvy@we.brute.forced.your.pgp.key.at.hcsw.org) joined #forth 03:02:32 natty_: there is an eforth for pic17c42. thats an interpreter usable via a serial line afair 03:10:08 --- quit: karingo () 04:46:04 --- join: karingo (karingo@195.portland-11-12rs.or.dial-access.att.net) joined #forth 05:00:05 --- quit: karingo () 05:08:26 --- join: njd (melons@njd.paradise.net.nz) joined #forth 05:12:52 --- join: CaffeineJunkie (~Speuler@mnch-d9ba4bc1.pool.mediaWays.net) joined #forth 05:13:04 'morning 05:13:21 --- nick: CaffeineJunkie -> Speuler 05:24:55 how do i get into linux (my 2nd harddrive) when it automatically boots into windows (1st harddrive) 05:47:55 --- join: crc (12345678@ACA8C1F5.ipt.aol.com) joined #forth 06:07:53 --- quit: crc ("Leaving...") 06:17:22 njd: set up lilo or grub as boot manager 06:17:49 in windows? 06:17:52 i cant get into it 06:22:57 boot floppy 06:23:08 o 06:23:08 yea 06:23:12 a rescue one? 06:23:17 just any 06:23:34 you can mount the linux root partition, and chroot to it 06:23:47 o yea 06:23:53 oh 06:23:58 the reason why im in windows is cause lilo messed it 06:24:05 it only saying "LILO 2.some.version.number " 06:24:09 no menu or anything 06:24:21 that's easy 06:24:27 ? 06:24:28 ?? 06:24:28 lol 06:24:30 just press ctrrl during boot 06:24:33 ctrl 06:24:40 aye 06:24:46 when it comes up 06:24:48 or from the start? 06:24:59 if it prompts, tab gives you the boot selections 06:25:09 it doesnt let me type anything 06:25:15 at the lilo prompt 06:25:16 oh, is this if i press control? 06:25:23 you'll have a timeout of a few seconds i guess 06:25:28 yeah 06:25:32 right 06:25:48 just ctrl, and then tab 06:25:51 okay 06:26:03 do i press control when it displays? 06:26:07 or before it? 06:27:29 --- join: mur (jukka@baana-62-165-187-71.phnet.fi) joined #forth 06:27:45 if before, keep it pressed. otherwise, during the prompt timeout 06:27:56 okay 06:28:00 thanks 06:28:31 hello 06:28:40 hi mur 06:28:42 hi 06:29:57 --- join: sifbot (~sifforth@h0030657bb518.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 06:29:57 Type sifbot: (or /msg sifbot to play in private) 06:30:21 sifbot: : hi ." hi" cr ; hi 06:30:22 sifbot: about 06:30:22 njd: hi 06:30:23 mur: Word not found: about 06:30:25 oo 06:30:32 sifbot: : hi ." hia" cr ; hi 06:30:34 njd: hia 06:30:38 sifbot: : hi 06:30:39 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@h0030657bb518.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 06:30:40 njd: 06:30:40 ack 06:30:43 sifbot: hi 06:30:45 njd: Word not found: hi 06:30:48 it doesnt remember them 06:30:53 :'( 06:31:43 sifbot: words 06:31:44 njd: ." .( : if then do loop repeat until exit ... 06:33:30 --- join: serg (~serg@h138n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #forth 06:33:47 sergei pinguin. no wrong person :P 06:34:16 :) 06:34:28 2nd day at new job 06:34:43 :( everything damn old and crashing 06:35:09 sysadmin is damnest job =8-{Z} 06:35:59 cu l8r, glitching databases await :( 06:36:37 --- quit: serg (Client Quit) 06:41:55 --- quit: TreyB (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 06:56:36 --- join: serg (~serg@h138n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #forth 06:57:27 --- quit: serg (Client Quit) 09:10:15 --- quit: mur ("MUR!") 09:13:08 --- join: mur (murr@baana-62-165-187-71.phnet.fi) joined #forth 09:16:43 --- quit: mur (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09:18:28 --- quit: Speuler (Remote closed the connection) 09:25:34 --- join: monk23 (~mind@193.140.248.25) joined #forth 09:25:43 Hello World ! :) 09:32:16 --- join: mur (murr@baana-62-165-187-71.phnet.fi) joined #forth 09:35:09 hello monk23 09:36:33 :) 09:37:18 hello Herkamire 09:38:37 welcome mur :) 09:38:48 hey mur 09:45:00 thank you monk23, welcome you too! :) 10:02:51 --- quit: monk23 (No route to host) 10:14:28 --- join: TreyB (~trey@cpe-66-87-192-27.tx.sprintbbd.net) joined #forth 10:33:18 where could I find an algorithm for drawing lines on a bitplane? 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12:21:36 * kc5tja is about to go into major crunch mode for his English assignment today; it's a research paper proposal, and I still don't have a solid topic to discuss in it. 12:21:39 but i didn't study until 4 am because a damn book distracted me :P 12:21:44 Atlas Shrugged :P 12:21:51 gilbertdeb: discrete math 12:21:57 ah cool. 12:22:18 Atlas shrugged distracted me at around the time I was to study for discrete math a year ago! 12:22:26 my all knowing roommate got it for me. 12:22:30 heh 12:22:33 how old are you 12:22:40 and what degree are you going for? 12:22:45 24 I think. 12:22:48 no 25. 12:22:53 CIS 12:22:59 I am currently 28 years old, and I'm going for Physics degree. 12:23:02 * thin hasn't decided if he wants to go for a degree or not 12:23:10 thin whats the not? 12:23:18 ? 12:23:21 oh 12:23:46 not = be a super productive selfish anti-social individual like in Atlas Shrugged 12:23:47 I'm just going to remain in school until they pay me to just keep going :D 12:23:57 degree = be a lazy bum and do fuckall 12:24:09 thin: thats what I thought i'd do after reading atlas shrugged. 12:24:14 I was already oriented in that manner. 12:24:24 I think its just stubborness though that he had. 12:24:26 gilbertdeb: but you're still going for your degree :P 12:24:40 thin: my dad wants me to give him one. 12:24:42 :) 12:25:15 I've tried to explain that all I'd really like to do is get a bunch of books and do my own damned reading. 12:25:18 * thin doesn't believe in the education system, believes he can learn all the stuff better, faster, and cheaper on his own 12:25:26 if I see a prof occasionally, then so be it. 12:26:05 hmmm. too many parallels :) 12:26:34 test question. Are you going to marry bjork? 12:27:23 what's bjork? music? 12:27:34 i don't listen to much music 12:27:45 good. no competition for me :D 12:27:49 i like trance/techno music though 12:28:00 I'll have to re-read my discrete math book though. 12:28:05 which book did you use? 12:28:11 eh some book :P 12:28:21 there's hundreds of discrete math books 12:28:26 did it have a blue cover? 12:28:34 the education system wants people to buy fresh books every year 12:28:36 no 12:28:41 green and white 12:28:47 thin: its good for the book stores! 12:28:47 hm 12:29:08 what's the title of your discrete math book? 12:29:49 discrete math. 12:29:54 authors? 12:30:00 Hi there 12:30:10 * thin gasps! 12:30:52 it was by ... ken rosen. 12:31:15 any other authors? 12:31:20 nope. 12:31:34 his book is quite popular. 12:33:29 I haven't found the motivation yet, but I'm gonna try to re-read the discrete math book, and then knuth's concrete math book as well. 12:34:09 yeah well i didn't take the discrete math class for fun 12:34:23 turns out i didn't need it anyways (i changed my direction after i picked the course) 12:34:35 from CS to literature? 12:34:56 not quite, i'm transfering to another university 12:35:39 i was never in CS anyways, but in a weird limbo land of 1st year engineering and a whole bunch of complementary studies courses :P 12:36:02 not to mention i took off a lot of time and just stayed home and played on the computer all day for months 12:36:08 >:/ 12:36:16 that reminds me of me! 12:36:20 i figured i would do something productive 12:36:24 but irc distracted me! 12:36:26 anime distracted me! 12:36:37 subspace distracted me! 12:36:44 thoughts of a faraway beach in miami distracted me. 12:36:47 so I moved. 12:36:50 i figured i would code programs or the os 12:36:51 unceremoniously :) 12:36:54 the forthos 12:37:37 how far did you get? 12:37:56 no where 12:38:23 just spent my time being a poseur 12:38:47 man, atlas shrugged & the fountainhead (which i read last week) have really motivated me to work :D 12:39:05 in my off-time, I discovered the most important thing to learn from school is reading/writing. nothing else matters quite as much. 12:39:29 ah wait. I keep mistaking atlas shrugged with fountainhead. 12:39:33 it was fountainhead I read. 12:39:46 and i have, i'm doing some forthcoding and i'm designing the websites & some forthcgi code (which may become a forth wiki) and of course, i'm busy reading the book and I was busy with final exams 12:39:48 it tickled my fancy of doing whatever I damned well please :) 12:40:04 i'm done final exams but i'm expected to go on vacation which is gonna disrupt my computer time :( 12:41:18 a 3 day canoeing trip coming up 12:41:23 8 lakes, portaging 12:41:26 thats healthy. 12:41:38 yeah, considering its the first time i've done that sort of thing 12:41:59 cool. new things always rock! 12:42:00 Wassup? 12:42:02 it's with my dad, we usually go backcountry hiking with 50 lb backpacks for 7 days or so 12:42:22 but this time its canoeing (at least, this early in teh summer) 12:42:51 Can you guys point me to some docs on Forth/C interfacing? 12:43:12 ramnull: ficl I think. 12:43:20 ramnull: i dunno, maybe check out gforth.. yeah ficl is a good one too 12:43:22 thin: You'll have fun. 12:43:35 yep :) 12:43:36 ramnull: also check out onyx 12:43:42 except for the portaging :P 12:43:51 ramnull: in general, or for a particular forth system? 12:44:20 In general for now. 12:45:01 I could hack the C code to load everything to known addresses beforehand, but I dont wanna dick with it. 12:45:04 ramnull: just check all the forths coded in C, some of them will have documents on the details of interfacing 12:45:26 ramnull: did you already see ficl? 12:45:33 and onyx? 12:45:58 Got the websites up now. 12:46:14 Are these actual Forths, or just Forth lookalikes? 12:46:27 onyx is a look-alike, ficl is a forth 12:46:41 Gotcha. 12:47:06 So much to learn, so little time. 12:48:00 How do Onyx and Forth compare? 12:48:12 never run onyx :) 12:48:17 I just happen to know it exists. 12:48:19 thin: im doing sql >:) 12:48:20 select a1.fn, a1.hnl, a1.s, a2.s, a1.e, a2.e, cast(a2.e/a1.e as decimal(5,2)) as diff from alap a1, alap a2 where a1.fn=a2.fn and ((a1.s/4=a2.s/4 and a1.hnl!=3) or (a1.s/2=a2.s/2 and a1.hnl=3)) and a1.r='f' and a2.r='t' and a1.e < a2.e and a1.e!=0 and a2.e!=0 order by diff; 12:48:45 It sucks that bad huh? 12:49:17 if you are referring to onyx, I don't know if it sucks or not. 12:49:24 ramnull: i've never heard of onyx, stay away from it ;) 12:49:32 & im all the time thinkin about how would it look like it it had been forth 12:49:42 http://www.canonware.com/index.html 12:49:42 onetom: yep :) 12:50:12 but i still dont have a clear vision :/ 12:50:22 onetom: i think forth (with the proper vocabulary) can be an awesome, easy to learn and use scripting language for the common joe 12:50:48 but it would b similar 2 image processing program generation... images r also 2d objects... 12:50:55 onetom: it'd be easier to teach people the language if it's still interactive (rather than coding in an editor) 12:51:47 but the readline lib also provides the user an editor... 12:51:48 Isn't that what shadow files are for? Sort of an integrated Interpreter/Editor environment? 12:51:54 a 1 line tall editor ;) 12:52:02 ramnull: shadow files are for comments only 12:52:28 Shit, if I want a 1 line tall editor, I'll use ex or sed. Heh. 12:52:30 ramnull: what do u think what shadow files r? 12:52:33 ramnull: there's no interpreter/editor thingie.. you're in editor mode or in interactive mode 12:52:41 ramnull: I discovered sam as well. 12:52:53 sam -d is ed on steroids apparently. 12:53:56 onetom: you might want to check out MUF some time 12:54:10 you'll have to telnet to a TinyMUCK server 12:54:14 Despite peoples misgivings about the Enlightenment project, I like Evas. I'd like to integrate a Forth with it. 12:54:15 and ask for coding permission 12:54:39 onetom: then you just type: man and you'll get all the help you need. and maybe: help edit 12:54:51 it's got a nice help system and it's got an interesting line based editor 12:54:58 Evas, in contrast to the rest of the E project, is actually lighweight. 12:57:13 --- join: I440r (~I440r@dialup-63.210.230.18.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) joined #forth 12:57:34 thin: im still tryin 2 allocate some time 4 my tcl color editor. thats the most important nowdays after the must-do tasks 13:04:34 The biggest problem with TCL is that Perl is more readable. 13:04:48 * thin likes that quote :) 13:04:59 Heheh :) 13:05:34 yeah that's the first quote i've noticed that should go into a quotes file for the website :P 13:05:43 i440r wanted me to go thru all the logs and collect quotes 13:05:57 heh 13:06:02 but i've never gotten further than a month of logs 13:06:10 yea and the longer you wait the more crap you have to sift through :) 13:06:12 less actually 13:06:43 Direct all logs to /dev/null. Record time I garauntee. 13:08:08 And a hush fills the room. 13:08:49 one word: multiple tasking :P 13:09:04 I440r: Mind if I blaspheme the Chuck Moore philosophy for a minute? 13:09:46 ramnull: what about? 13:09:56 About Evas. 13:10:22 embedding forth in evas is blasphemy you mean? 13:10:23 I'm really thinking, that for a slick interface, Evas would be the way to go. 13:10:58 Maybe not embedding, but certainly using Evas as an extension. At least it would seem. 13:11:15 It would save a whole lot tedium. 13:11:40 well go for it if that's what you want 13:11:51 we all have different opinions about where we want to spend our time 13:11:59 and on what aspect of forth 13:12:02 thin: True. Working on it. 13:12:27 use isforth ;) 13:12:39 isforth with the ability to use evas as an extension ;) 13:12:44 thin: As a tool for building widgets. 13:12:59 figure it out how to do it using only syscalls! >:D 13:14:07 Dicking with setting everything up from scratch just seems to flow against the KISS philosophy. 13:14:34 I cant quantify that yet. It's more of a gut reaction. 13:15:31 yeah but sometimes the gut reaction goes against reasoning :P 13:15:35 i get the same kind of reaction 13:15:57 i'm like "well why don't we load forth chock full of features and then we'll live happily ever after and code tons of things in zero time" 13:16:00 The more I study up on PC internals, Assembly, and Forth, the more I tend to lean that way. 13:16:14 but then i read about chuck moore and he's pretty much going in the opposite direction 13:16:43 "strings? who needs them?" "garbage collection, haha!" "OOP?" etc.. 13:17:03 so it's a bit of an internal contradiction for me 13:17:22 thin: You didnt hear a thing I just said. Theres a big difference between making an extension, and making it part of the core system. 13:17:50 --- join: herktest (~jason@h0030657bb518.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 13:18:13 because I respect chuck moore tremendously for creating forth and taking in the direction he did, against everyone. and out of that respect, i feel i should adhere to his philosophy if i am going to use forth 13:18:33 hmmm do I hear Roark speaking? 13:18:53 gilbertdeb: yeah. you REALLY should read Atlas Shrugged. It's easily 3 times better 13:19:08 mmmm 1168 pages of pleasure. 13:19:12 is it that much better than fountainhead? 13:19:14 yes 13:19:15 I have no intention of putting something like that into a Forth system. I'm talking about an interface. 13:19:16 absolutely 13:19:29 I am intrigued :D 13:19:36 ramnull: yeah, i was talking about something else (i was ranting about my feelings) 13:19:51 * ramnull nods 13:20:22 gilbertdeb: the philosophy is much more evident, much more direct, many more things happen and many more angles of the philosophy are exposed 13:20:46 i'm a bit over halfway thru the book 13:20:48 The way I see it. There is Forth (and the excellent IsForth. Heh.) And there are the extensions and hooks you can build into the rest of the hardware from it. 13:21:08 thin: did you Greenspan is a big fan and used to write for her newsletter? 13:21:53 gilbertdeb: he's probably corrupted by now anyways :P 13:21:54 --- quit: ramnull ("This isn't Happy Hour!") 13:22:05 heheh 13:23:49 people should avoid working for the government. the smaller the bureacracy, the less "deadweight loss" (that's a technical economics term) that occurs 13:24:26 dwl arises from inneficiences created by unnatural dd/ss 13:24:35 dwl? dd/ss? 13:24:42 demand, supply. 13:24:50 dead weight loss. 13:25:44 god I hated micro! 13:26:04 gimme political-economy anyday. 13:27:04 You folks should check out stone societies. :) 13:27:21 stone masonry? 13:28:17 gilbertdeb: woah. i worship micro, don't talk heresy to me :P i'm ordering a macroeconomics textbook (by the same author cause his writing is awesome) because i haven't learned macroecon yet 13:29:08 thin: I love macro/old school political-economy. micro is full of numbers. no people involved at all, just computations. 13:29:33 * thin is curious as to how the hell one gets rid of the microeconomic principles and replace it with weird (fraud?) keynesian economics 13:29:38 No. 13:29:44 gilbertdeb: micro had no numbers 13:29:45 Stone societies. Like I said. :) 13:30:13 thin: which micro level did you take? and who wrote your book? 13:30:28 principles of microeconomics by gregory mankiw 13:30:32 hehehe 13:30:35 awesome book 13:30:38 he writes for fortune. 13:30:48 i'm getting principles of macroeconomics by him also 13:31:04 I stopped reading fortune mag a while back though. tiresome sycophantic mags don't cut it for me. 13:31:34 thin: the numbers start creeping in when you take price theory. then they are there in full force. 13:32:17 out of curiosity I once googled recursive and macroeconomics. 13:32:19 gilbertdeb: don't let that affect your opinion of gregory mankiw's books. they rock. i've looked at other micro and macro econ text books but none of them approached the readability and CLEAR LOGIC of his micro textbook 13:32:21 it turned up a match. 13:32:36 that's why i'm getting the macro econ by him too because i don't trust any of the other textbooks 13:32:47 thin: I used his book too. I didn't think there was anything wrong with it per/se ... just the subject matter in particular. 13:33:08 http://home.san.rr.com/merel/ss.html -- found it! URL on stone societies. 13:33:18 you should check out his articles in fortune sometime thin. 13:37:31 alright C: 1 Gilbert: 0. 13:37:51 I'm going to have to learn C. 13:38:08 hmm 13:38:14 depends on what you want out of life 13:38:25 if you want to commit suicide in a few years, learn C! 13:38:27 :P 13:38:31 too many things are tied to it. 13:38:42 and I need to be able to read it at least with some understanding. 13:38:49 well what do you want to code? and are you non-lazy enough to code them? 13:39:15 thin: all I really want to do is code in octal or hex. 13:39:19 it is proving a tad difficult. 13:39:34 octal/hex for the mips and sparc ie. 13:39:43 too skeered to touch x86. 13:39:47 why not assmebler? 13:40:07 eventually. 13:42:08 there are also a good number of forths written in it and I'd like to be able to read their sources. 13:42:29 brb... off to buy k&r 13:43:33 ew 13:45:55 K&R's book is actually a good book now -- it doesn't even mention the old K&R style anymore. 13:46:27 lol 13:46:41 so even k&r dont like k&r :) 13:46:45 Nope. 13:46:49 That should tell you something. 13:47:05 someone should tell linus t that k&r is crap 13:48:37 kc5tja: before I waste some dough, whats a good C book? 13:48:55 I've resisted for years, and the resistance led to many discoveries... 13:49:03 about the existence of other languages etc... 13:49:10 K&R is the single best reference you can have on "C" proper. 13:49:46 --- join: Speuler (~Speuler@mnch-d9ba4bc1.pool.mediaWays.net) joined #forth 13:50:07 --- part: herktest left #forth 13:50:07 hi Speuler. 13:50:20 hi 13:51:04 speuler: poor gilbertdeb has decided to waste money on a C book, got any ideas? 13:51:46 thin: that must be a language, if you need a book to learn it 13:52:38 * Speuler also got a c book here 13:52:49 which one speuler? 13:52:59 "de programmeertaal c" 13:53:04 used it to learn dutch 13:53:22 the double vowels gave it away. 13:53:23 :) 13:54:02 heh, using a programming book to learn a language 13:54:07 scary 13:54:14 hairy I say. 13:54:59 good book 13:55:05 my dutch is better than my c 13:57:19 heh 13:57:29 one would hope so ;) 13:59:10 Now where is the Esperanto book on programming in Forth? :) 13:59:59 kc5tja: you haven't written it? :O 14:00:13 * thin is waiting for the lojbanists to unlock the core vocabulary in 2008 and then decide to remake the whole language as lojban ver. 2 14:00:20 because they'll have learned a lot 14:02:04 * kc5tja would be interested in seeing the new language spec for Lojban. 14:02:12 But Esperanto is still my preferred language. 14:02:41 somehow i don't think the lojbanists will throw their language away and start from scratch using what they've learned 14:10:10 but it would be wonderful if they did that.. forth philosohy ;) 14:11:50 woah 14:12:09 the tigress of tiredness just jumped on me 14:12:12 gotta catch my breath 14:12:13 heh 14:17:41 3y3 c4n'7 s33! 14:18:16 m4h 3y3z 4r3 g3771ng f0gg13! 14:20:21 heh 14:21:07 --- quit: Herkamire ("leaving") 14:21:21 j00 d0n'7 sp34k 3n0ugh l33tsp34k! 14:24:03 ha 14:24:15 14nn1! 14:24:58 hello 14:27:39 He's being weird. 14:27:41 He's tired. :) 14:30:23 yeah 14:30:29 30 hours will do that 14:30:32 ouch 14:30:34 it surely will 14:30:49 i've only stayed up 36 hours before 14:30:57 maybe i'll break my record :D 14:31:09 i need movies :D 14:31:24 that's how i did my 36 hours record back in grade 12 (4 years ago) 14:32:02 Heh 14:32:03 i had a vcr, a tv, and the house to myself for a few days, so i just rented 8 movies (there was a sweet deal, 25 cents for old movies if you said you were going to bring them back the next day) 14:32:05 Oh yeah, I remember that! 14:32:11 You were *WHACKED OUT* on IRC. 14:32:42 lollll!!! i don't think so, i think that was a different time :P 14:32:52 unless you are sure? 14:32:59 i probably did get on irc 14:33:10 but watching mostly movies 14:33:19 kc5tja: was i on under my old nick? 14:33:27 do you remember my old nickname? :P 14:36:38 You were on as "futhin" 14:37:01 the nickname previous to that :P 14:37:50 i switched to futhin in college... 14:37:59 I remember futhin from way back when. 14:38:06 Back when I was in Armored Internet. 14:38:13 How long you been in college, dude? 14:38:35 Though, we only spoke like ... three times back when I was working for Armored Internet. :) 14:39:22 well 4 years even though i've only done 2 years worth of school plus this semester (2 semesters a year, 5 semesters so far) 14:39:52 i did do a "geek marathon" with my friends where we attempted to go 36 hours 14:40:13 i might've gotten on irc, in fact, i think i getting on and being silly.. 14:40:20