00:00:00 --- log: started forth/03.04.21 00:17:38 --- join: Speuler (~Speuler@mnch-d9ba4d4f.pool.mediaWays.net) joined #forth 00:17:52 'morning 00:29:55 hey 00:30:10 i made the words for +-<>., 00:30:48 on my interepter 00:32:09 ha 00:32:27 thus linear program work 00:32:44 was it difficult to do ? 00:35:29 nah i reckon it was easy 00:35:37 i probably wont be able to do the []'s though 00:35:52 the run word you made doesnt go trhough the program yet either lol 00:35:58 i dont know how to do that as well :p 00:37:06 (coffee) 00:40:22 --- join: njd[osx] (~junk@njd.paradise.net.nz) joined #forth 00:40:32 i dont like coffee 00:40:34 :p 00:55:36 njd-- 00:55:59 --- quit: karingo () 00:57:25 ? 01:16:35 i do 01:16:42 i know 01:17:08 what does [ need to do ? 01:17:20 loop until the pointer is 0 01:17:28 naa 01:17:45 just the [ , not the ] 01:17:45 if pointer > 0 ? 01:18:08 --- join: gilbertdeb (~gilbert@fl-nked-ubr2-c3a-74.dad.adelphia.net) joined #forth 01:18:24 moin gilb 01:18:29 thanks to adelphia, the net service I pay for occasionally dies. 01:18:31 hi Speuler 01:19:10 njd> the case of (pointer) > 0 is simple. 01:19:31 njd> the other case is where the problem comes in 01:19:55 hmm? 01:22:11 i need to make a word that 01:22:33 does a select thing for each command that comes in for the program 01:22:44 say if its + then call the word b+, if its > call b> etc 01:22:52 is this hard? 01:22:55 no 01:22:59 ok 01:23:00 not really 01:23:08 several possibilities 01:23:18 i use ascii values ? 01:23:48 hint: check out whether the word "scan" can be used in any way 01:24:25 * njd[osx] finds out what that word does 01:24:56 using that would offer a way to avoid multiple .. ascii = if ... else ... ascii = if ... 01:25:01 its not on dpans94 01:25:15 no ? 01:25:39 oh 01:25:47 i was gonna do like 01:25:51 its come across + 01:25:56 get ascii number 01:25:59 then do case 01:26:04 24 of whatever endof 01:26:09 74 of hi endof 01:26:12 endcase 01:26:12 but yea 01:26:14 that would be one way 01:26:14 i am wrong? 01:26:16 oh 01:26:21 just do it the way you like 01:26:51 and we can see for an alternative way, maybe a better one, later 01:27:01 do i forget about []? 01:27:02 --- join: karingo (karingo@59.portland-06-07rs.or.dial-access.att.net) joined #forth 01:27:03 for now? 01:27:12 your choice 01:27:28 yea, i reckon i need to get this bit out of the way first 01:30:38 --- quit: njd[osx] ("BitchX-1.0c19 -- just do it.") 01:37:24 hm 01:38:21 whats program counter? 01:38:30 : instruction ( pointer programcounter instruction -- pointer programcounter ) 01:38:33 : run brainfuck program 1+ begin count ?dup while instruction repeat drop ; 01:38:35 do i need it 01:45:59 oh yes. if the brainfuck program wants to do a jump, it would do so by modifying that program counter. it is the pointer into the brainfuck program, where the next instruction will be read from 01:46:11 you'd need it for [ and ] 01:47:33 now that's readable code : ": run brainfuck program " :) 01:47:50 hgah 01:47:51 o yea 01:49:58 --- quit: karingo () 01:52:24 im stuck 01:54:53 ok 01:54:57 now im being flooded with f's 01:54:58 lol 01:57:05 * njd quits 02:25:51 --- join: karingo (karingo@59.portland-06-07rs.or.dial-access.att.net) joined #forth 02:29:44 --- quit: karingo (Client Quit) 02:35:25 --- join: fridge (~meldrum@zeus.zipworld.com.au) joined #forth 02:59:52 --- join: karingo (karingo@59.portland-06-07rs.or.dial-access.att.net) joined #forth 03:00:14 --- quit: karingo (Remote closed the connection) 04:05:01 --- part: gilbertdeb left #forth 04:05:06 --- join: gilbertdeb (~gilbert@fl-nked-ubr2-c3a-74.dad.adelphia.net) joined #forth 05:36:30 --- quit: gilbertdeb ("Monk has left the building") 05:54:49 --- join: crc (12345678@AC904AA3.ipt.aol.com) joined #forth 06:05:53 --- nick: natzzz -> natty 06:26:38 --- quit: crc ("Leaving...") 06:27:25 --- join: sifbot (~sifforth@h0030657bb518.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 06:27:25 Type sifbot: (or /msg sifbot to play in private) 06:34:31 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@h0030657bb518.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 07:45:58 --- join: serg (~serg@h138n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #forth 07:46:22 hi ! 07:46:59 1 day on yet another new job :) 07:51:36 Hey 07:51:42 How much do you get paid? 08:31:38 --- quit: serg ("Lost terminal") 09:24:25 --- join: mur (murr@baana-62-165-186-221.phnet.fi) joined #forth 09:43:04 --- join: murrr (murr@baana-62-165-186-221.phnet.fi) joined #forth 09:43:04 --- quit: mur (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 09:43:19 --- nick: murrr -> mur 10:49:14 --- join: XeF4 (xef4@lowfidelity.org) joined #forth 10:49:38 Hi XeF4 :) 10:49:49 hi 10:50:41 terve XeF4 10:51:01 no terve terve 10:51:16 mikäs toi sut takaisin? =D 10:53:27 --- join: natty_ (~n1ywb@155.42.84.139) joined #forth 10:53:52 Hi natty 10:54:21 --- quit: natty (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:54:46 Bye old natty 10:54:47 s/toi/on tuonut/ 10:57:21 juna. olin suomen valtion hoivissa :P 10:57:48 Esikunta-alan mies. kuulostaa sopivan helpolta ja turvalliselta sijoituspaikalta : 10:57:52 :) 10:59:48 siis armeijassa vai putkassa? 10:59:59 ensimmäinen vankila :P 11:06:49 * XeF4 wonders if #forth should be kept to English 11:07:15 Yes! 11:07:19 Or Swedish. :) 11:33:23 or swahili 11:33:33 swahili is good! 11:34:13 swahili is too mainstream 11:37:53 but it's widely understood 11:38:31 swahili is more nicer mainstream lingua franca than english or epsperanto 11:42:11 hmz, yes. 11:42:48 but English is so nonuniform it could pass for something Larry Wall dreamed up with a bad hangover 11:44:10 but which area swahili shoudl we talk ? 11:44:58 none, because it's too mainstream =) 11:45:15 we must revive Livonian at once as an online lingua franca 11:46:26 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@ip68-8-206-137.sd.sd.cox.net) joined #forth 11:47:20 woah, hey 11:47:32 just when I was meditating over TTL matters 11:50:41 Heh 11:51:13 do modern 74xxx componentents tend to be relatively fragile&susceptible to RF noise and such? 11:51:30 Depends on the logic family. 11:51:47 Generally speaking, the faster the propegation delays on the chips, the more susceptible to noise they'll become. 11:52:28 Also, as voltages drop lower and lower too, the signal to noise ratios must necessarily be greater in order to maintain the proper logic levels. 11:52:42 indeed, but I don't know where mone might find slow components with big, robust transistors 11:53:19 The 74LS and ALS series, I've found, are quite reasonable in their noise immunity. 11:53:30 5V or 12V 11:53:34 5V 11:53:53 None of the 74xxx-series reaches greater than 5V logic. 11:55:16 aahh right. 11:57:18 --- join: I440r (~nospam@dialup-63.210.225.1.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) joined #forth 11:57:39 --- mode: ChanServ set +o I440r 12:03:17 any experiences with 74lcx? 12:04:15 Nope 12:05:45 is that an nec chip ? 12:06:03 this is a fairchild datasheet i'm looking at 12:06:52 74lcx16373 actually 12:07:31 k 12:07:36 no idea what that is 12:07:59 3.3V CMOS version of the 74373 octal latch chip. 12:08:01 :P 12:08:21 16-bit latch 12:08:43 Ooh, I was wondering what the "16" infix was about. 12:10:48 this looks not very noise tolerant, though. (for a diesel engine monitoring project) 12:12:02 Diesel? That's odd -- there's no sparking happening in that. 12:12:42 Anyway, your circuit should be very firmly secured in a solid metal box to shield it. Make sure said box is grounded too. 12:12:55 Also, be sure to use decoupling capacitors from Vcc to GND on each chip. 12:13:24 kc5: no sparking, but the engine drives an old Soviet generator and is surrounded by appalling wiring jobs of every sort.. 12:14:27 Any digital lines leading to or coming from the box should also have plenty of grounding, especially for high data-rate or highly intermittent lines. 12:14:52 Schmidt-triggering may be required for some sensory lines. 12:20:02 * XeF4 googles about for schmidt-triggering 12:20:43 :) 12:20:55 even i know what that is, and i dont know shit about hardware heh 12:24:13 * XeF4 blushes 12:24:16 noted. 12:25:02 the current system uses a capacitor+thyristor for the purpose.. 12:26:05 Capacitor+thyristor for what purpose? 12:26:39 for supressing spurious trigger signals 12:30:25 * kc5tja has never used that circuit; I've had good luck with Schmidt triggers though. 12:36:48 next ignorant question: will 74als components have problems with very low (600Hz) clock frequencies? 12:42:25 Nope. 12:42:33 They're rock solid all the way down to DC. 12:43:45 so they can be single-stepped *that* way.. excellent. 12:54:38 --- join: gilbertdeb (~gilbert@fl-nked-ubr2-c3a-74.dad.adelphia.net) joined #forth 12:56:27 --- quit: I440r (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:17:46 --- join: mark4 (~mark4@dialup-63.210.225.1.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) joined #forth 13:33:23 --- nick: mark4 -> I440r 13:46:59 --- quit: mur ("MURR!") 13:59:40 --- quit: I440r ("Reality Strikes Again") 13:59:58 Well, I'm off to get food. 14:05:31 bon appetit 14:52:57 'morning 14:53:08 early evening Speuler 14:53:14 * Speuler just got up 14:54:24 back 14:55:17 kc5tja: adelphia died on me just after I asked you about linux. 14:56:05 I'll yell at them when they ask for their money :D 14:57:11 10mb is pretty small man. 14:58:32 the real question follows: 14:58:41 how does one begin to factor? 14:59:13 ah n/m there is a faction of linuxfromscratch trying to do this already. 14:59:18 I wonder how far they'll get. 15:04:17 --- join: I440r (~nospam@dialup-63.210.225.1.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) joined #forth 15:07:42 Not sure. 15:08:00 But factoring goes beyond just rebundling the Linux kernel with a select subset of available software. 15:09:41 it must be incredibly difficult for them not to have done anything about it thus far! 15:11:41 All LinuxFromScratch is about is, basically, is creating your own customized distribution of Linux. It has nothing to do with optimizing or factoring existing code. 15:12:13 yes I know that. 15:12:49 but ... www.gold-project.org 15:13:44 who I encountered on the lfs irc server. 15:18:49 Interesting. 15:19:00 I'm not sure it's a "refactoring," but certainly a much-needed code cleanup. 15:20:19 kc5tja: I'm a little surprised you are not more excited about some of the things plan9 claim. 15:20:31 eg... Replace a plethora of protocols by a simple, unifying file service protocol (Styx) that can be served on tiny devices, giving a uniform way to access objects across the network. 15:21:18 I'm not terribly interested in that because not everything is a file. 15:21:30 My radio sure as heck isn't. 15:21:59 hahaha 15:22:26 it is an object isn't it ;) 15:23:19 gilb: but many radios (and other electronics) have a failure mode by which they split into many objects 15:23:23 does plan9 account for that? =) 15:23:42 :D 15:24:07 XeF4: I'll email them your objections . 15:24:27 it'll start with: kc5tja and XeF4 Loudly protest ... 15:25:10 That's right. The radio is an object. 15:25:49 Plan/9 is what led me to consider the use of CORBA for Dolphin's standard remote object infrastructure. 15:26:10 hmmm. I thought your CORBA zeal souned familiar :) 15:26:51 s/ed/d&/ 15:27:04 I also wrote AmigaDE's first object/component model, originally based on COM (perhaps you've heard of The Andromeda Project -- that was me). I later took the sources and released it open source as GCOM. But the project never took off. 15:28:49 They're not currently using it, but my work did influence what's in use today. 15:50:36 --- join: I440r_ (~nospam@dialup-67.74.3.74.Dial1.Cincinnati.Level3.net) joined #forth 16:01:11 Well, that right sucked. This is the first time that Phoenix has crashed on me. :( 16:02:29 why did it do that? 16:05:54 --- quit: I440r (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16:06:42 I have no idea. I was reading an ATM specification, and when i was done, I found the whole window to be seized hard. 16:14:53 --- join: ramnull (~nicad@12-241-145-39.client.attbi.com) joined #forth 16:15:04 Wassup? 16:15:15 re ramnull 16:16:26 You guys do much with multithreading? Ala SMP stuff? 16:16:41 I'd like to, but no. 16:16:49 I don't have the resources for it at this time. 16:17:57 The term "thread" seems to have two different connotations between a Forth system and an Operating System. ala Linux Pthreads. 16:18:45 Dont suppose the idea of a "Direct Pthreaded" Forth makes much sense? 16:19:34 --- quit: I440r_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:19:43 --- join: I440r (~nospam@dialup-67.74.3.74.Dial1.Cincinnati.Level3.net) joined #forth 16:20:10 I440r: You have the hardest time with IRC. ;-> 16:22:20 Yeah, the meaning of "thread" has changed over the years. 16:22:38 I don't even like the term thread (as in multithreading), to be honest. I much prefer task (e.g., multitasking). 16:22:43 It makes substantially more sense. 16:23:01 * ramnull nods 16:24:58 Hmmm...Perhaps it would be prudent to define a few "standard" Forth extensions for concurrency support. 16:25:17 I use the word "standard" loosley. 16:25:19 I'm not sure how you plan on doing that. :) 16:25:32 No friggin clue at this point. 16:25:34 But if you do do that, please, please, please do not ignore preemptive multitasking support. :) 16:25:59 99% of all multitasking implementations for Forth are cooperatively multitasking, which is fine I suppose for most tasks. 16:26:06 But preemption has its place, and I swear by it. 16:26:35 I've been using Ada95 tasks regularly on the nix platform with no trouble. Perhaps I could use some of those concepts. 16:26:49 Ada assumes preemption, no? 16:27:06 That is, that multiple tasks truely are able to run concurrently? 16:27:21 kc5tja: It assumes whatever the Interface assumes. 16:28:00 i.e. Ada will use it's own model on Dos like systems, but will call native interfaces on nix/win32 platforms. 16:28:51 ramnull: That doesn't answer my question. :) 16:28:58 What does the language impose as a multitasking model? 16:29:34 On a Dos system, multiple tasks wont run concurrently, but they will be synchronized, on a threaded system they will run concurrently. And either be synchronized or not depending on the skill of the developer. 16:30:17 The Ada language must impose some minimum level of multitasking capability on the runtime environment. 16:30:19 It can use either rendevous or protected objects. 16:30:48 I got a paper on it here somewhere. 16:30:57 For example, if you MUST use a keyword to explicitly indicate a variable is shared between two tasks, then it assumes preemption. 16:31:10 It's actually quite sophisticated, while remaining simple. 16:31:32 I can't fathom why it'd be so sophisticated. 16:31:49 You either cooperatively multitask, preemptively multitask, or you mono-task. There's no other alternatives known at this time. :) 16:32:05 Well think about it. It's designed to handle every type of concurrent system under the sun. 16:32:15 Then it assumes preemption. 16:32:17 :) 16:32:27 * ramnull nods 16:32:32 It's in the docs. 16:32:34 Here. 16:32:37 * kc5tja nods 16:32:51 I was just curious, because most Forth multitasking implementations implicitly assume cooperation. 16:33:15 Which I personally don't like. 16:33:40 Problem is, unlike Forth, you have to explicitly define everything almost down to the bit level before the compiler will aknowledge the code. Heh. 16:34:48 Now...one can write a different runtime for the Ada compiler which assumes cooperative multitasking. 16:36:45 But the language still assumes preemption, even though the runtime is cooperative. 16:36:51 Now, what I think would work, rather than defining a specific model for a Forth, would be defining some defining words which the programmer specifies either cooperative or pre-emptive. 16:37:00 * ramnull nods 16:38:26 If done wisely( a bit beyond my skills at the moment. ) it would only add a maximum of three or four words to the dictionary. 16:39:31 And then the rest of the dictionary could be handled in the context of those words. 16:40:03 kc5tja: Am I going a bit overboard in my assumptions here? 16:41:49 I think so; support for preemption requires things like semaphores and monitors and such. While the additional words is still very small, it still larger than four. :) 16:41:52 Oh, and message passing. 16:42:49 True. 16:43:08 I'll have to do some reading up on it. 16:45:16 Crap. My vacation is over and I gotta go back to work tonight. 16:45:34 Doh 16:45:45 * kc5tja has aikido in about 30 minutes anyway. 16:46:07 kc5tja: Have fun. Heh. 16:51:06 Thanks. 16:51:32 I'll be back about 3:30 am 16:51:37 Heh. 16:51:58 Not me. I'll be sleeping like a babe then. :) 16:54:01 3:30am which tz? 16:54:09 Eastern. 16:54:21 Michigan time actually. 16:54:26 same thing no? 16:54:37 or do you cross over into indiana? 16:55:35 Pretty much. A few minutes difference. 17:00:02 sleep time. 17:00:15 Where you at? 17:00:17 goodness, I've only been awake since 3 pm and I need more sleep already. 17:00:20 miami. 17:00:31 Wuss! Heh. 17:00:50 Hey, I'll move down there. Heh. 17:01:00 The heat probably does it. 17:01:11 I get very, very tired when its hot outside, especially in high humidity. 17:01:17 ramnull: no j-o-bs 17:01:27 kc5tja: the heat makes me happy. 17:01:32 Hmmm...well then maybe not. 17:01:49 Getting cold around here again. Gonna be in the 30s tonight. 17:02:01 I've screwed up my sleep schedule... I went to bed at 9 am, woke up 15 to 4... and now I am tired again. 17:02:15 ramnull: you poor thing. Thats why I moved from ohio. 17:02:18 just as bloody cold. 17:02:34 gilbertdeb: Me too. But I still get sleepy. 17:02:47 Well, it kind of inspires me to work harder. Keeps me warmer. 17:02:53 huh? 17:03:05 the pure desire to work harder is all the push I need :) 17:03:18 Well, since I was laid off from my last job, I got hired at UPS. 17:03:33 to do forthy stuff? 17:03:54 Nope, unfortunately that dept is filled, although my resume is in. 17:04:13 I'm just a package handler for the time being. 17:04:32 The technical support group has interviewed me though. 17:05:01 ramnull: was your previous job computer related? 17:05:14 Everyone of those guys started off as package handlers too. Ironically. 17:05:33 Yeah. I was a Network Engineer for an ISP. 17:05:59 Which was subsequently bought out by Verizon. 17:06:18 Or Genuity, or whatever the fuck thier name is this week. 17:06:30 :) 17:06:36 verizon changed its name? 17:06:54 Dont know, stopped keeping track. 17:07:04 :) 17:07:13 Used be bbnplanet. 17:08:31 Kind of a telco war going on here. We got SBC/Ameritech versus Verizon. 17:09:07 isn't ameritech notoriously unreliable? 17:09:09 Then theres ATT&T selling thier "broadband" to Comcast. 17:09:12 --- quit: I440r (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:09:51 Well, thier technical support dept sucks, but thier lines keep working. 17:10:32 Think it has something to do with the way they pump up the signal on thier lines to obscene levels. Burned out five CSUs. 17:11:25 Call em up and sit on hold for about three hours, and then maybe they send someone to fix thier equipment. 17:12:56 But at least it was desk job. Heh. 17:13:41 I just gotta bide my time until another tech job comes along. Even then I'll probably stay at UPS part-time. 17:14:35 --- quit: njd (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:16:41 --- quit: kc5tja ("THX QSO ES 73 DE KC5TJA/6 CL ES QRT AR SK") 17:17:05 --- quit: ramnull ("This isn't Happy Hour!") 17:17:12 --- quit: gilbertdeb ("Monk has left the building") 17:24:27 --- join: I440r (~nospam@dialup-67.74.3.74.Dial1.Cincinnati.Level3.net) joined #forth 17:53:35 Hey 17:54:16 I440r: I dreamt about you last night :P You had a big house, at your nice little caribian island... 17:54:40 Dreams can have a sense of bitter humor 17:54:58 it was a premonition :) 17:55:01 i hope :/ 17:57:29 I also dreamt you found your private jet in the bottom of a lake, so maybe you don't 17:58:32 * Robert spends way too much time on IRC 17:58:32 hey the insurance will pay for it heh 17:58:36 Hehe 18:03:16 Woohoo! I finally solved my noise problem, with a little help 18:03:59 I had thought of using bypass caps, and a couple of friends also suggested it, so I did. After trying a couple of different sizes, 0.001uf caps worked best. I also grounded the ground leads on both ends of the cable. 18:20:25 --- quit: I440r (Connection reset by peer) 18:34:03 --- join: I440r (~nospam@dialup-67.74.3.74.Dial1.Cincinnati.Level3.net) joined #forth 18:47:13 boy this isn't good, now when I try to read from my device file the kernel panics and says "Scheduling in Interrupt: kernel bug at sched.c:564" 18:50:33 hmmm 18:50:38 haha 18:50:45 :( 18:55:54 lol 18:56:01 fix it! 19:00:10 --- join: njd (melons@njd.paradise.net.nz) joined #forth 19:00:39 Hi 19:01:50 hi 19:16:29 --- quit: I440r (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:22:37 --- join: I440r_ (~nospam@dialup-67.74.3.74.Dial1.Cincinnati.Level3.net) joined #forth 19:22:40 --- join: monk23 (monk23@mstr195175-35246.dial-in.ttnet.net.tr) joined #forth 19:23:07 hi ! 19:23:36 Morning :) 19:23:48 What country might .tr be? 19:23:54 Transylvania? :) 19:24:06 * Robert thinks monk23 might be a vampire. 19:25:00 :) 19:27:15 * monk23 shows his teeth through the wire :) 19:27:24 Help! 19:27:38 * Robert writes a Forth program to remove those awful teeth. 19:27:55 write a garlic definition :) 19:28:05 Heh, yeah. 19:28:40 * monk23 is scared, and starts to run away from victims 19:29:29 You should be, 19:29:38 Nobody knows what hides under the surface in #forth. 19:30:15 In .tr it's 05:39AM and vampire definition can hold partially :) 19:30:29 I'm just one hour behind you. 19:30:31 CET. 19:31:01 Feeling a bit like a vampire, and I've got school in.. not too many hours. 19:33:09 --- quit: I440r_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:33:45 :) similar to me. however there is no course i must attend for Tuesday.- but i will go nevertheless :/ 19:34:46 Just got a physics class, and then an ethics class(!) in the afternoon. 19:37:57 * monk23 took last physics class when he was a freshman at univ. 19:38:29 * monk23 never took an ethics class. however wonders how it is ... 19:38:43 * Herkamire thinks ethics is something you learn from your parents, and reason out the rest yourself 19:40:22 i agree with you Herkamire :) 19:43:36 Yes. 19:43:51 * Herkamire wonders what they teach in ethics class 19:43:56 I can't really say I've leart anything, but the discussions are fun. 19:44:03 Actually, they don't teach us much at all. 19:44:08 We mostly just talk. 19:44:16 :) I think I've heard something like taht before 19:44:53 I have a friend that seemed to be taking a bunch of classes where you get to sit around and argue :) 19:45:11 Dogbert: "I'm going to start a school that teaches common sense." Dilbert: "Haha, who's pay to learn something you can't learn? ..except maybe people without common sense." Dogbert: "Bingo." 19:45:36 who's going to* 19:45:43 hehehe :) 19:46:00 I think of that sometimes, when I'm in that class. 19:47:08 "All I need to know in life I learned learned in Kindergarten" 19:51:15 Herkamire : for the ethics class, i wonder what is the reference point for ethics ? 19:52:13 What do you mean? 19:52:23 I think classes like that are just brain execises. Some people need to be forced to work out. Some find someting fun to do. 19:53:08 according to 'which assumptions or beliefs' do people decide sth. ethical or not ? 19:53:20 His own. 19:53:46 Although most people in the class might agree that raping small boys isn't a nice thing to do... But we don't always think the same. 19:54:12 --- part: Speuler left #forth 19:55:59 'most people' implicitly defines a 'common set of assumptions' ? 19:56:47 All societies have someting like that. 19:56:59 But in classes like that, we try to discuss what's behind those 19:58:39 any achievements ? :) 20:00:00 Nah, haven't discovered the meaning of life yet. That comes next year. 20:00:28 they teach the meaning of life in collage? oooh I better enrole ;) 20:00:31 as another course in th curriculum ? ;) 20:00:42 maybe they can teach me to spell too :) 20:01:01 I'm on in college, anyway. 20:15:11 :) 20:15:28 thx. 20:15:38 --- quit: Klaw (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:15:46 i am going.byes 20:16:11 bye 20:16:21 --- part: monk23 left #forth 20:21:44 --- join: gilbertdeb (~gilbert@fl-nked-ubr2-c3a-74.dad.adelphia.net) joined #forth 20:22:39 Er 20:22:46 05:00:59 < Robert> I'm on in college, anyway. 20:22:50 s/on/not/, of course. 20:22:57 (oops) 20:23:01 Hi gilbertdeb 20:23:06 hola Robert 20:23:09 como estas ? 20:23:55 ..? 20:24:08 co-mo 20:24:11 es-tas 20:24:23 xD 20:24:31 (that's the only spanish I know) 20:24:57 je parle un peu espanol aussi :) 20:26:12 stfu :) 20:26:31 por que stfu? 20:27:19 * Robert tries to ignore the trolling. 20:39:50 --- quit: semtex (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:42:09 --- join: semtex (~Speuler@mnch-d9ba4bc1.pool.mediaWays.net) joined #forth 20:42:39 wb :) 20:43:50 --- quit: Herkamire ("zzzZZZ") 21:12:29 is there a way to get the kernel to print messages to my ssh session? 21:12:58 mesg = y ? 21:13:01 I dunno. 21:14:37 mesg is yes but it's not getting KERN_DEBUG level messages at least, which are the ones I want to see 21:14:50 are you in X? 21:15:00 no, ssh 21:15:23 you can always tail /var/adm/syslog or something 21:16:11 tail -f 21:16:13 that works, thanks 21:23:28 --- quit: natty_ (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21:24:18 --- join: natty_ (~n1ywb@155.42.84.139) joined #forth 21:24:35 --- quit: njd () 21:33:59 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@ip68-8-206-137.sd.sd.cox.net) joined #forth 21:34:14 * gilbertdeb is checking out inferno. 21:34:22 Cool. 21:34:43 * kc5tja had a good Aikido workout tonight. 21:34:57 i need to start something like that 21:36:07 heh :) 21:40:08 seriously.. my life has no form/discipline 21:40:15 just anything to take up 21:41:24 I take because it's a huge stress relief. 21:41:28 i took taekwondo as a little kid.. aikido and various other disciplines appeal to me abit more 21:41:36 yeah, i need that too hehe 21:41:42 For me, it was either aikido or tai chi chuan. 21:41:47 Aikido was closer. :) 21:48:52 yea 21:49:00 ive looked into many things 21:49:04 on the surface 21:49:31 The best thing to do is to sit in on a few classes. 21:49:47 i have a propensity to learn reiki, aikido, kung fu, and tai chi 21:49:55 Make sure that the students have good, solid posture. Watch especially for people bending at the hips -- that's a bad sign. 21:50:04