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06:00:01 <murColonization> hey deluxe
06:00:34 <deluxe> hey mur
06:01:25 <deluxe> what is the maximum nick lenght here btw?
06:01:36 <deluxe> murColonization: what is the maximum nick lenght here btw?
06:27:07 <murColonization> i dont know :) i'm playing Colonization :)
06:27:58 <murColonization> nice i have worth 10000 credits (that is much!) of treasures middle of nowhere. and far away from anything (except enemys..) good i have galleon to get them. will take, though half the game to get them to safe
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07:59:19 <gilbertdeb> hullo
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08:24:41 <gilbertdeb> hi krish
08:26:33 <krish> hi gilbertdeb
08:26:53 * krish out to fill the stomach
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08:37:43 <mur_col> terve gilbertdeb 
08:41:03 <gilbertdeb> terve mur
08:41:15 <gilbertdeb> hyvaa kitaa?
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08:42:42 <mur_col> hyvää iltaa?
08:43:00 <mur_col> kita = mouth [of large spooky creature]
08:44:20 <gilbertdeb> I have done well haven't I?
08:45:03 <gilbertdeb> http://home.pipeline.com/~hbaker1/ForthStack.html
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09:04:12 <gilbertdeb> krish did I ever ask you about rebol?
09:05:14 <mur_col> gilbertdeb if you mean speaking finnish, yes you have :)
09:05:31 <gilbertdeb> hehe
09:18:56 <krish> hi all!
09:18:59 <krish> gilbertdeb: no
09:19:26 <gilbertdeb> have you seen/heard of rebol?
09:19:33 <krish> yes
09:19:46 <gilbertdeb> what do you think of it/
09:19:49 <krish> and lua too
09:20:06 <gilbertdeb> I don't think lua is as nice.
09:20:54 <krish> there are so many slooow scripting languages
09:21:04 <gilbertdeb> whats the hurry? :D
09:21:38 <krish> for me, s/w should be fast .
09:22:21 <krish> i'm sure the people here will agree with me
09:22:26 <gilbertdeb> hmmm.
09:22:31 <krish> gilbertdeb: fiasco is released.
09:22:41 <gilbertdeb> yasl?
09:22:50 <gilbertdeb> yet another scripting language/
09:22:51 <gilbertdeb> >
09:22:52 <gilbertdeb> ?
09:23:11 <krish> gilbertdeb: no. its a microkernel 
09:23:40 <gilbertdeb> I thought microkernels were too slow?
09:23:47 <krish> gilbertdeb: are they ?
09:23:59 <krish> gilbertdeb: i never had the oppotunity to see them in action
09:24:24 <krish> gilbertdeb: check this link for some fast code. http://www.azillionmonkeys.com/qed/asmexample.html
09:25:29 <gilbertdeb> did you read that fine forth article whose url I posted earlier?
09:25:39 <gilbertdeb> http://home.pipeline.com/~hbaker1/ForthStack.html
09:25:56 <gilbertdeb> the author also had this to say about databases: http://home.pipeline.com/~hbaker1/letters/CACM-RelationalDatabases.html
09:28:23 <krish> nice stuff
09:29:11 <gilbertdeb> I have heard of the many virtues of rdms but I never thought about flat file databases at all.
09:29:27 <gilbertdeb> I thought they were utterly obsolete!!!
09:32:00 <krish> having read about object prevaylence, i feel that even flat files are unnecessary !
09:32:23 <gilbertdeb> my eyes glaze over when I see the word object.
09:32:30 <gilbertdeb> are they simple to implement?
09:32:38 <krish> objects ?
09:32:50 <gilbertdeb> oordbms
09:32:57 <krish> i donno
09:33:06 <krish> prevaylence is simple.
09:33:12 <krish> maintain the data in memory
09:33:24 <gilbertdeb> so you have to have a large memory?
09:33:26 <krish> if you need more storage buy more RAM
09:33:38 <krish> it also makes sense.
09:33:51 <krish> the cost of RAM is much cheapter than say an Oracle db
09:35:21 <gilbertdeb> sure sure.
09:35:26 <gilbertdeb> but whats behind the database?
09:35:42 <krish> no database
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09:35:52 <krish> just ur data structures in memory
09:35:52 <gilbertdeb> url?
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09:36:41 <krish> www.prevayler.org
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09:39:07 <gilbertdeb> hehehe. 
09:39:13 <krish> gilbertdeb: what ?
09:39:34 <gilbertdeb> krish you do realize that if enough companies become interested in this ram thing, the cost of ram will go ^ again? ;)
09:39:58 <krish> gilbertdeb: what kinda reasoning is this ?
09:40:12 <gilbertdeb> demand and supply.
09:40:25 <krish> gilbertdeb: the usage of computers has increased. Did the price go up ?
09:40:51 <gilbertdeb> mmmmm not particularly.
09:41:41 <gilbertdeb> there are a lot of competitors in the field competing on low costs.
09:45:30 <krish> is postscript a general purpose programming language ?
09:45:38 <gilbertdeb> sure thing.
09:46:03 <gilbertdeb> it is a general purpose programming language with a purpose :D
09:51:03 <gilbertdeb> krish whats lua like?
09:51:50 <krish> gilbertdeb: sometime ago, i read a few pages from the manual and stopped.
09:52:00 <gilbertdeb> why did you stop?
09:52:21 <krish> gilbertdeb: looks like its not a fast interp.
09:52:36 <krish> gilbertdeb: ruby is nice but very slow.
09:52:49 <gilbertdeb> aren't all interpreters generally slow?
09:52:52 <krish> gilbertdeb: pike is fast though ...
09:53:01 <krish> forth is undoubtedly the fastest
09:53:23 <krish> forth is very close to C
09:53:35 <gilbertdeb> close to C? is that the criterion?
09:53:43 <gilbertdeb> forth on a chip is faster than C ;)
09:53:53 <krish> close in terms of performance
09:54:12 <gilbertdeb> this close [   ] or this close [                   ] ?
09:54:19 <krish> gforth, bigforth are very fast
09:54:48 <gilbertdeb> from the little I've read, when c programs are fast, it means they are relatively dangerous.
09:54:56 <krish> hmmm
09:54:57 <gilbertdeb> I forget where I read that though, so don't ask me to quote.
09:55:16 <gilbertdeb> maybe from the hbaker guy whose url I posted above ^ 
09:55:19 <krish> dangerous ?
09:55:44 <gilbertdeb> error checking etc is not taken seriously.
09:55:49 <krish> dangerous ?
09:56:06 <gilbertdeb> you are repeating yourself.
09:56:16 <krish> people say a lot of things.
09:56:19 <krish> take the goto issue
09:56:31 <gilbertdeb> there was nothing wrong with it was there?
09:56:32 <krish> for example,
09:56:35 <gilbertdeb> :)
09:56:42 <krish> whats wrong in using goto ?
09:56:55 <gilbertdeb> it leads to unstructured code.
09:57:18 <gilbertdeb> it has been declared harmful. 
09:57:21 <gilbertdeb> contaminated :)
09:57:33 <krish> unstructured ? hmmm ....
09:57:48 <gilbertdeb> spaghetti
09:58:01 <krish> but it is very useful in implementing state machines etc.
09:58:04 <mur_col> what makes the bolognese in spaghetti code?
09:58:07 <mur_col> :)
09:58:24 <gilbertdeb> krish I think underneath it all, goto remains.
09:58:31 <gilbertdeb> it is simply called 'jump'.
09:59:52 <gilbertdeb> so do you like goto?
10:00:08 <krish> oh yes.
10:00:26 <krish> computed goto actually
10:01:16 <gilbertdeb> what does that mean?
10:01:35 <krish> checkout the gcc manual
10:01:43 <gilbertdeb> no thanks.
10:01:53 <gilbertdeb> you used the term. 
10:02:07 <gilbertdeb> if you understand it well enough, it will be a simple explanation :D
10:02:20 <krish> very tired now
10:02:37 <gilbertdeb> I see.
10:02:39 <krish> waiting for a download to complete
10:02:45 <gilbertdeb> mean while...
10:03:03 <krish> ........
10:03:08 <krish> zzzzzzzzz
10:04:07 * krish taking a short nap ....
10:37:39 <krish> bye !
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10:59:11 <mur_col> re
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11:17:44 <ianni> 're
12:10:45 <mur> Footh
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13:17:17 <tgunr> any gforthers around?
13:20:34 <mur> hmmm
13:21:21 <tgunr> hmmm?
13:23:20 <mur> hm.
13:27:28 <mur> forth ever 
13:28:04 <mur> tgunr people are pretty idlinghere some times. you can bug various people to wake up or you can play with sifbot that understands forth
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15:54:17 <Klaw> sifbot
15:58:25 <Klaw> sifbot!!
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16:04:33 <deluxe> Klaw?
16:05:40 <deluxe> sifbot: words
16:05:42 <sifbot> deluxe: ." .( : if then do loop repeat until exit ...    
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17:38:09 <Klaw> sifbot: ." ok computer"
17:38:10 <sifbot> Klaw:     
17:38:29 <Klaw> sifbot: .( ok computer)
17:38:30 <sifbot> Klaw: ok computer    
17:38:34 <Klaw> exactly
17:41:05 <Klaw> now is ... a word..
18:05:39 <tgunr> sifbot: words
18:05:41 <sifbot> tgunr: ." .( : if then do loop repeat until exit ...    
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18:45:54 <Klaw> sifbot: ...
18:45:55 <sifbot> Klaw:   Word not found: ...  
18:46:06 <Klaw> there's a trick here i'm not seeing.
18:46:13 <Klaw> sifbot: see words
18:46:15 <sifbot> Klaw:   Word not found: see  
18:47:21 <Klaw> sifbot: : Klaw ." Can't keep his hands off the voluptuous gynoid" ;
18:47:22 <sifbot> Klaw:     
18:47:26 <Klaw> sifbot: Klaw
18:47:27 <sifbot> Klaw:   Word not found: Klaw  
18:47:30 <Klaw> aww
18:47:33 <Klaw> sifbot: : Klaw ." Can't keep his hands off the voluptuous gynoid" ; Klaw
18:47:35 <sifbot> Klaw: Can't keep his hands off the voluptuous gynoid    
18:47:40 <Klaw> sifbot: words
18:47:41 <sifbot> Klaw: ." .( : if then do loop repeat until exit ...    
18:53:00 <Klaw> sifbot: 3 4 * .
18:53:02 <sifbot> Klaw: 12     
18:53:10 <Klaw> sifbot: 3e 4e f** f.
18:53:11 <sifbot> Klaw:   Word not found: 3e  
18:53:23 <Klaw> sifbot: 3.3 . f.
18:53:24 <sifbot> Klaw:   Word not found: 3.3  
19:35:57 <Klaw> sifbot: .
19:35:59 <sifbot> Klaw:   stack underflow    
19:36:02 <Klaw> sexy
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