00:13:44 --- log: started forth/03.04.07 00:13:44 * Robert returns from hibernation. 00:25:25 --- join: kdijwHuv (~stepan@likes.smoking.and.watching.spacenight.dk) joined #forth 00:25:41 --- quit: Stepan ("disconnecting from stoned server.") 00:49:54 --- nick: kdijwHuv -> Stepan 01:13:35 --- join: PoppaVic (~pfv@s126.waters.gtlakes.com) joined #forth 01:22:29 hmm still sleepin' 01:31:18 :) 01:34:23 I'm looking for a brilliant solution.. 01:35:47 Who isn't 01:35:47 ? 01:36:18 I think I've managed a way to autogenerate headers - to words - for a lib, but I'll be damned if I can see a contructive, non-function way to link object-file to object-file. 01:39:44 Frankly, I suspect all these things - under their macro-voodoo have to compile all the build-and-run dictionary in one whack. 01:42:29 hmmm 02:02:38 --- join: deluxe (~deluxe@pD950F252.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 02:18:37 --- quit: deluxe ("Client exiting") 02:43:17 --- quit: PoppaVic ("(I don't need a reason)") 02:50:28 --- join: deluxe (~deluxe@pD950F43A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 02:53:21 --- quit: deluxe (Client Quit) 03:14:43 --- join: deluxe (~deluxe@p50805856.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 03:26:33 --- join: fridge (~fridge@dsl-203-33-164-19.NSW.netspace.net.au) joined #forth 03:33:39 --- join: mur (jukka@baana-62-165-188-195.phnet.fi) joined #forth 05:04:26 --- quit: deluxe ("Client exiting") 05:21:52 --- quit: mur ("MUR!") 05:57:29 --- join: PoppaVic (~pfv@s187.waters.gtlakes.com) joined #forth 08:13:27 --- join: MrReach (~mrreach@209.181.43.190) joined #forth 08:13:31 Hi MrReach! 08:13:31 hihi! 08:13:34 lo 08:36:03 --- join: edrx (root@200.222.223.64) joined #forth 08:48:53 --- join: Robert_ (~snofs@h138n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #forth 08:49:23 --- quit: Robert (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08:57:42 --- quit: MrReach () 09:01:31 --- nick: Robert_ -> Robert 09:16:24 --- join: deluxe (~deluxe@p50805673.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 09:16:43 --- quit: ChanServ (Shutting Down) 09:16:52 --- join: ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) joined #forth 09:16:52 --- mode: brunner.freenode.net set +o ChanServ 09:17:35 hm, I've never heard of Forth-77 and Forth-78 "standards" before... 09:17:53 http://www.eforth.com.tw/academy/library/forthnotebook2/dirtywords.htm 09:18:00 it helps to be decades older ;-) 09:20:16 were you already using Forth at that time? I started around '85, I think, with a (mvp?) fig-forth disk with almost no documentation... 09:21:25 I recall seeing f79 standards, and refs to 78 - it was all at least as whacky as ANS - fig was about all the consistency around for me. 09:25:11 do you know if what people call the "Forth 79 Standard" is in fact the "Systems Guide to figForth"? I just found http://www.eforth.com.tw/academy/library.htm 09:25:37 no - there really was a forth79 - it was godawful-llokin' shit. 09:25:57 --- join: gilbertdeb (~gilbert@fl-nked-ubr2-c3a-29.dad.adelphia.net) joined #forth 09:26:00 F-83 wasn't "toooo" bad.. 09:26:19 was it the 'best'? 09:26:42 I was comfortable with f-pc & f-83 on my old 286. 09:26:59 which is the best forth you ever used? 09:27:27 I think f-pc was - at the time - the best I'd worked with. 09:27:42 fig-forth let you hack at it more easily. 09:28:51 Currently, I'm still working with gforth - and hehe (hug) GCC 2.95.foo ;-) 09:29:08 mmm 09:29:17 isn't 3.* out already? 09:29:29 I used HS-Forth for a long time - it was very 79-ish - and I loved it. I didn't like F-PC 09:29:34 I never, ever, EVER use the 3 series 09:29:44 whats the 3 series about anyway? 09:29:57 I just saw ads in my ancient "Forth Dimensions" for HS-forth ;-) 09:30:15 the 3 series is sorta' the gcc/egcs semi-hack 09:31:17 the HS-Forth interface was brillian, I still have plans of implementing something like that on a Forth for a *nix system 09:31:34 edrx: is hs-forth available in any form? 09:32:31 gilbertdeb: it was commercial and I don't know its current status (dead or whatever), but I can give you the .zip files without everything that I had 09:33:00 I don't have a dos machine to play with :( 09:33:13 gilbertdeb: dosemu? 09:33:32 good idea. 09:33:38 how large is it? 09:33:54 s/without everything/with everything/ 09:35:10 google knows you edrx 09:35:52 you mean www.google.com? 09:36:03 yes _the_ google.com 09:36:24 I'm uploading it to a secret dir, should be ready in a few minutes 09:36:46 * gilbertdeb checks ~/secret/ ;) 09:37:30 hot spit, got gcc to generate the headers AND links.. (Pop spits) 09:39:46 It's soo nice when days of work & tests pop out a solution that [will|should|probably] work. 09:40:37 whats your days of work doing? 09:42:36 hmm? 09:42:51 are you working on a forth? 09:43:39 Oh.. writing a translator - takes some dpans docs converted from html to text, and uses that to generate all the header-files and c-stubs - and now header-structs - for ANS forth. 09:46:26 ..Along the way, it calculates & stores a single short (16-bit word) as a "token" which can identify any wordset and word in the whole mess. 09:49:45 http://www.mat.puc-rio.br/~edrx/hsforth/ 09:53:03 hs-5* right? 09:53:14 i mean hs5 09:54:38 yes - all the zip were of hs-forth stuff, except for ddj*, that contains the listings for some forth stuff that were published in dr dobb's 09:55:14 hs5-1 contains the executables and main things 10:27:24 --- quit: gilbertdeb (Remote closed the connection) 10:31:32 --- part: edrx left #forth 10:56:02 --- join: crc (CharlesChi@AC9E4B95.ipt.aol.com) joined #forth 11:09:21 --- quit: skylan (Connection reset by peer) 11:10:08 --- join: skylan (sjh@Sprint299.tbaytel.net) joined #forth 11:11:27 --- quit: PoppaVic ("(I don't need a reason)") 11:12:00 re 11:13:03 Hi :) 11:16:03 Hey Robert 11:19:50 hello 11:40:41 --- join: PoppaVic (~pfv@s64.waters.gtlakes.com) joined #forth 11:41:25 tokC02D=0x8049a04 11:41:26 tok8100=0x8049700 11:41:26 lfa= 0x8049700[0x8049a04] 11:41:26 vfa[0]= 0x8049704[0x51][0x8048640] 11:41:26 cfa= 0x804970c[0x80483e0] ans_b_l_k=0x80483e0 11:41:26 nfa= 0x8049716[{ 9, ans_b_l_k } 11:41:28 token= 0x8049714[0x8100] 12:00:41 --- quit: PoppaVic ("(I don't need a reason)") 12:03:04 what the hell does that mean 12:18:08 --- part: crc left #forth 12:18:08 --- join: crc (CharlesChi@AC9E4B95.ipt.aol.com) joined #forth 12:34:05 --- part: crc left #forth 12:42:15 --- quit: flyfly ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.2.4") 14:14:21 --- join: PoppaVic (~pfv@s42.waters.gtlakes.com) joined #forth 14:16:35 --- join: flyfly (~marekb@ip164.ktvprerov.cz) joined #forth 22:08:56 --- log: started forth/03.04.07 22:08:56 --- join: clog (~nef@bespin.org) joined #forth 22:08:56 --- topic: 'the #forth website http://forth.tech.nu - write up articles for the site | native x86 linux forth http://isforth.clss.net' 22:08:56 --- topic: set by thin on [Sat Apr 05 17:13:39 2003] 22:08:56 --- names: list (clog gilbertdeb TreyB Speuler skylan @ChanServ Robert fridge Stepan ianni onetom Fractal) 22:19:09 --- join: PoppaVic (~pfv@s109.waters.gtlakes.com) joined #forth 22:20:06 I love reducing 100 lines or so to about 8. 22:39:36 how? 22:39:39 where? 22:40:02 the inner-interpreter & support-voodoo 22:41:09 I'd been staring at pseudo-asm, antiquated asm, and gcc -S output for a couple days.. 22:44:41 yay for asm 22:44:50 you'll convert yet. 22:44:55 I didn't use asm, other than to look at ;-) 22:45:21 ..and the only shit made sense was z80 - and that was too rusty for more than a glimmer ;-) 22:45:45 You'll never convert me to asm.. That's a lost cause. 22:56:45 wait till you see the cute cover on 'see mips run'. 22:56:55 then you'll want to learn assembler. 22:57:12 You can't accept it, eh? 22:57:15 * PoppaVic sighs 22:57:23 scratch that. 22:57:33 You _do_ know assembler 22:57:45 no. I did, once - z80. 22:58:02 I know asm-preprocessing: I write C ;-) 23:57:27 --- quit: gilbertdeb ("Monk has left the building") 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/03.04.07