00:00:00 --- log: started forth/03.04.06 00:11:52 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~z@ppp147-25.dialup.mtu-net.ru) joined #forth 00:12:05 --- quit: Serg_Penguin (Client Quit) 00:14:57 --- join: flyfly (~marekb@ip164.ktvprerov.cz) joined #forth 01:24:48 --- join: deluxe (~deluxe@pD950F321.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 01:35:40 --- quit: flyfly ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.2.4") 01:46:06 --- join: [tQrGheV (~stepan@likes.smoking.and.watching.spacenight.dk) joined #forth 01:46:57 --- quit: fridge (brunner.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01:46:58 --- quit: Stepan (brunner.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01:46:58 --- quit: ianni (brunner.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01:50:15 --- join: fridge (meldrum@zipperii.zip.com.au) joined #forth 01:50:15 --- join: Stepan (~stepan@likes.smoking.and.watching.spacenight.dk) joined #forth 01:50:15 --- join: ianni (ian@inpuj.net) joined #forth 01:50:42 --- quit: Stepan ("disconnecting from stoned server.") 03:06:46 --- nick: [tQrGheV -> Stepan 03:37:22 --- join: Soap` (~flop@202-0-42-22.cable.paradise.net.nz) joined #forth 04:29:14 --- join: mur (jukka@baana-62-165-188-195.phnet.fi) joined #forth 04:29:18 hello 04:30:36 'ello and goodnight 04:30:52 --- quit: Soap` ("Sleep time! My favourite time!") 04:49:01 --- quit: mur ("to X") 04:49:28 --- join: mur (jukka@baana-62-165-188-195.phnet.fi) joined #forth 04:50:23 * mur returns from the darkness 04:50:25 eh, console 05:30:04 --- quit: fridge (brunner.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 05:30:04 --- quit: ianni (brunner.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 05:45:43 --- join: fridge (meldrum@zipperii.zip.com.au) joined #forth 05:49:24 --- join: ianni (ian@inpuj.net) joined #forth 07:02:03 --- join: DarkAngel (~cara@ip68-97-13-144.ok.ok.cox.net) joined #forth 07:02:16 --- quit: DarkAngel (Client Quit) 07:12:34 --- join: krish (KRISHNAKUM@61.1.220.196) joined #forth 07:13:01 hi! 07:13:30 moi 07:17:21 mur: what lang is that ? 07:17:41 finnish 07:37:56 isforth new release ? 07:51:39 --- quit: krish ("Client Exiting") 07:54:19 --- join: PoppaVic (~pfv@s190.waters.gtlakes.com) joined #forth 08:00:27 * PoppaVic sighs 08:04:17 okay 08:04:31 COMMAND ACKNOWLEDGED. 08:04:48 RETURN = NONE. 08:08:27 MISSION ACCOMPLISHED 08:08:33 TARGET ANNHILATED 08:08:39 mission impossible. 08:12:29 --- join: deluxe_ (~deluxe@p50805C35.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 08:13:12 deluxe 08:29:14 --- quit: deluxe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08:32:05 * PoppaVic wonders if Stepan 09:03:19 * mur leaves and waits for debian system to destroy by itself 10:29:46 "We came; We Saw; We Kicked its ASS" - Bog, I love that snowblower.. 10:51:18 gah, I'm yet to be able to write anything in colorforth 10:51:37 I'm not even interested in trying it. 10:59:55 * fridge gives up 11:00:09 I quite like the keyboard layout 11:01:59 my keyboard i already laid out. 11:02:08 i /is/ 11:35:57 --- join: revanthn (revanthn@202.9.183.205) joined #forth 11:49:03 do you run colorforth as the os? 11:49:11 --- join: Sh4x (~get@dsl-134-62.aei.ca) joined #forth 11:49:17 is there one for linux 11:52:34 I run it under X 11:52:50 its much easier to restart the program than it is to restart my computer all the time 11:53:36 http://www.oakland.edu/~maslicke/colorforth/XcolorForth.tar.gz 12:14:27 fridge, is there a terminal one? 12:14:30 does this require linux? 12:14:47 i need to write a forth 12:15:51 yeah, that colorforth requires X11+sdl 12:16:23 well, i got those on mac, i think 12:16:27 i dont like x a lot 12:16:55 ianni: it won't work on a mac, it uses the color.com binary, which has x86 bootloader code and all x86 instructions 12:29:47 --- quit: Sh4x (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:30:01 --- join: [H2K]-Shakuan (~get@dsl-134-62.aei.ca) joined #forth 12:30:11 --- nick: [H2K]-Shakuan -> Sh4x 12:33:50 --- join: crc (CharlesChi@AC9D54D0.ipt.aol.com) joined #forth 12:52:03 --- quit: revanthn () 12:58:00 --- join: tcn (tcn@tc2-login8.megatrondata.com) joined #forth 13:10:56 --- part: crc left #forth 13:13:56 --- join: flyfly (~marekb@ip164.ktvprerov.cz) joined #forth 13:14:50 --- join: crc (CharlesChi@AC9D54D0.ipt.aol.com) joined #forth 13:15:37 anyone has isforth compiled and could sent it over here.. plz do so cause I'm having problem compiling, thanx. 13:16:31 OK. 13:16:38 > 13:17:43 thanx, im gonna see if I can run that :o 13:17:49 argh mouse died again 13:17:50 :( 13:17:52 mur: :( 13:17:53 darn X 13:18:04 i still can use X with keyboard 13:18:05 :) 13:18:17 mouse & X work fine here ;-) 13:18:17 but i can not scroll one window that is not in the end :/ 13:18:25 it was not first time today! 13:18:35 --- quit: Sh4x ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.65 :: www.XLhost.de )") 13:18:37 5th time total that some mouse cursor did not work 13:19:09 sounds like a BD mouse, or shitty code 13:34:05 --- quit: tcn () 13:49:53 --- quit: crc ("Leaving") 13:56:18 --- quit: mur ("RECEIVED MESSAGE FROM OUTER SPACE 1110010110101001101010001010010111, translation "go to sleep now!"") 14:01:30 --- join: Sh4x (~get@dsl-134-62.aei.ca) joined #forth 14:03:28 Quick Q: Where can I find definitions of words like "@" and "!" ? It doesnt say anything when I do "see @" in forth... it works for other words like "see words" and "see see" but... :\ 14:03:55 They're usually coded in assembly language. 14:04:11 Check e.g. IsForth, the src/ dir. 14:04:47 ok but they wont be defined like " : @ ; ... will they? 14:05:11 Not in a high level definition, no. 14:05:15 ok 14:05:18 thanx 14:05:19 Hmm. 14:05:24 I have a Forth written in Forth. 14:05:28 --- join: gilbertdeb (~gilbert@fl-nked-ubr2-c3a-29.dad.adelphia.net) joined #forth 14:05:36 Check http://robert.zizi.org/pub/ 14:05:40 nforth.tgz somewhere in there. 14:05:52 In there you have a definition of @ in high-level Forth. 14:05:58 cool thanx 14:10:14 well, it's nice when the generator works *sigh* Excellent. 14:10:14 --- quit: Sh4x (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:16:13 --- quit: deluxe_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:57:04 'evening 14:57:28 hi PoppaVic 14:57:32 lo 14:57:52 doing the work all alone ? :) 14:57:57 Hi Speuler 14:57:58 yep. 14:58:03 hi Robert 14:58:04 And PoppaVic 14:58:06 impressive 14:58:29 still doesn't pay any bills, but it seems useful. 15:16:01 --- quit: fridge ("http://lice.codehack.com") 15:20:55 --- quit: PoppaVic ("(I don't need a reason)") 15:24:10 --- join: thin (~thin@198.162.22.67) joined #forth 15:24:15 Hi thin 15:24:27 sup 15:24:39 Yesterday, I wasn't serious when I said good morning at midnight. Just thought you'd like to know 15:24:47 k 15:24:59 i often say good morning in the afternoon too 15:25:01 it's much more cheery 15:25:35 :) 15:32:30 : ) r> r> r> ; 15:34:44 <3 <3 <3 15:47:05 --- join: PoppaVic (~pfv@s151.waters.gtlakes.com) joined #forth 15:47:31 --- quit: PoppaVic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:47:45 --- join: PoppaVic (~pfv@s151.waters.gtlakes.com) joined #forth 15:59:10 hehe 16:10:59 --- quit: gilbertdeb (brunner.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:10:59 --- quit: flyfly (brunner.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:10:59 --- quit: PoppaVic (brunner.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:11:00 --- quit: ianni (brunner.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:11:06 --- quit: Stepan (brunner.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:11:06 --- quit: Fractal (brunner.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:11:06 --- quit: thin (brunner.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:11:14 --- quit: Speuler (brunner.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:11:14 --- quit: sifbot (brunner.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:11:14 --- quit: Robert (brunner.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:11:22 --- quit: onetom (brunner.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:11:22 --- quit: ChanServ (brunner.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:12:34 --- join: PoppaVic (~pfv@s151.waters.gtlakes.com) joined #forth 16:12:34 --- join: thin (~thin@198.162.22.67) joined #forth 16:12:34 --- join: ianni (ian@inpuj.net) joined #forth 16:12:34 --- join: Stepan (~stepan@likes.smoking.and.watching.spacenight.dk) joined #forth 16:12:34 --- join: Speuler (~semtex@mnch-d9ba43fa.pool.mediaWays.net) joined #forth 16:12:34 --- join: sifbot (~sifforth@ip68-9-68-123.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 16:12:34 --- join: Robert (~snofs@h138n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #forth 16:12:34 --- join: onetom (~tom@novtan.bio.u-szeged.hu) joined #forth 16:12:34 --- join: Fractal (vyfgdkf@dont.try.configuring.openbsd.on.stronglsd.com) joined #forth 16:13:39 --- join: gilbertdeb (~gilbert@fl-nked-ubr2-c3a-29.dad.adelphia.net) joined #forth 16:13:39 --- join: flyfly (~marekb@ip164.ktvprerov.cz) joined #forth 16:20:03 --- join: ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) joined #forth 16:20:03 --- mode: brunner.freenode.net set +o ChanServ 16:20:58 --- quit: ChanServ (brunner.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:23:30 --- join: ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) joined #forth 16:23:30 --- mode: brunner.freenode.net set +o ChanServ 16:23:49 why are we chopping? 16:24:48 netsplit 16:24:55 ahh 16:54:40 --- quit: ChanServ (brunner.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:04:29 --- join: ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) joined #forth 17:04:29 --- mode: brunner.freenode.net set +o ChanServ 17:19:07 --- quit: Speuler (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:19:50 --- quit: gilbertdeb ("Monk has left the building") 17:20:53 --- join: Speuler (~semtex@mnch-d9ba4900.pool.mediaWays.net) joined #forth 17:21:19 --- quit: thin ("Leaving") 17:22:17 * PoppaVic sighs 17:23:50 --- quit: Klaw (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:36:44 --- quit: PoppaVic ("(I don't need a reason)") 18:43:08 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@pc6ddn1d.ppp.fcc.net) joined #forth 18:43:12 hiya all 18:43:15 brb 19:01:15 --- join: jdamisch (jdamisch@207.191.240.12) joined #forth 19:01:28 hi 19:02:53 back 19:02:56 hiya jdamisch 19:03:03 yes 19:03:11 yes to what? 19:03:12 i cleaned up my links in memnonio 19:03:20 yes to that 19:03:38 hmm...I wasn't asking about that 19:03:49 there is alot more work i could do, gathering links and putting them in, but as it stands, every last one of them works now 19:04:22 there are some links that i don't have in the January Forthwrite for instance 19:05:08 cool 19:05:10 i'm a little tired of doing it, i just had to take a break from it 19:05:37 * TheBlueWizard nods 19:05:58 I also wasn't the one reporting about broken links 19:06:27 i actually do want reports and suggestions 19:07:01 i have a game written in forth for the Atari ST 19:07:25 it should run in any emulator 19:07:54 cool 19:08:04 any of the Atari ST emulators that is, well it runs in WinSTon 0.4 anyhow 19:08:44 i used forth source screens directly to build up the background tile maps 19:09:18 on the ST you could get away with making calls to the OS, and banging on the metal in the same game 19:09:32 the graphics routines are in assembly, which makes the game playable 19:11:08 the only problem with the game is that i didn't have playtesters to help me work out the levels, so the gameplay is unbalanced 19:11:22 the levels are either too easy or way to hard :^) 19:11:48 it seemed ok to me when playing it myself, but just playing your own levels does not give an indication how other people will react to them 19:12:47 * TheBlueWizard nods 19:13:05 its up there for people to look at if they like 19:13:20 I just searched the Debian package for Atari ST emulator package...it seems aranym is it, sorta 19:13:30 a question for the people of this group 19:13:51 unfortunately I don't have plenty of time to play around, game or emulation 19:14:07 understood 19:14:29 i'd like to ask about 2D graphics on the PC 19:14:39 go ahead and ask 19:15:06 suppose i wanted to just have a screen of 32x32 tiles and then have sprites on top and then have a scrolling screen, what would be the simplest way to get some decient speed going with that 19:16:51 does Atari ST have hardware scrolling? 19:17:08 the ST didn't, the STE did 19:17:17 i don't want it to need an emulator 19:17:21 of course it is important to have smooth scrolling 19:17:35 ah...hmm... 19:18:52 one common technique is double buffered rendering, which would take care of the ST situation,but that can be a bit CPU intensive 19:19:14 i used double buffering in the ST game 19:19:36 i don't have direct access to the bitmap in a modern PC do I? 19:20:33 have you evern heard of Dos4gw.exe? 19:21:23 its a graphics component that some of the older 2D on the PC use, i was thinking that because it was older, it might be simpler 19:21:28 that idea just came to me 19:21:37 I should do a web search now 19:21:38 depending on video mode on PC (and on OS), you either have direct access to video memory, or not...or in certain cases, partial access 19:21:57 I think I've heard of dos4gw.exe 19:22:58 looking 19:26:57 i was wrong, its a DOS extender, not a graphics package 19:26:58 Simtel has some DOS based video programming stuff 19:27:34 it's an extender, yes....it doesn't do anything for graphics per se 19:28:56 if i'm already running in Windows in 32bit mode then need i bother? 19:30:11 um...I know you can't access video directly under WinNT series...not sure about Win9x series 19:33:12 there are windows routines to toss a bitmap up onto the screen, but would it be fast enough 19:34:06 call BitBlt drop 19:35:02 with a fast enough computer, it should be ok...then again, I know next to nothing about graphics programming under Windows 19:35:20 but how fast would it be? i could maybe construct a huge bitmap in RAM from tile data, and then slam it on the screen 19:35:29 the builder would need to take scrolling into account 19:36:08 well, i'm just knocking ideas around today then 19:36:36 :) 19:37:54 well, I must go...bye all 19:38:00 i could just write the bitmap construction routines with a Forth assembler like i did for Skampy 19:38:01 bye 19:38:28 i don't trust the OS to do much fast though 19:38:48 * TheBlueWizard nods and waves bye-bye 19:38:54 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 19:47:52 DirectX ? 20:02:24 DirectDraw ? 20:26:33 bye 20:26:35 --- quit: jdamisch () 21:15:02 what would -CELL mean as opposed to CELL- 21:16:16 Well CELL- is probably the analogous equivalent to CELL+ 21:16:27 Probably defined : CELL- 4 - ; 21:16:37 On boxes with 4 byte cell sizes 21:16:54 I have never heard of -CELL 21:48:47 yeahm he uses cell- too 21:49:36 --- quit: ChanServ (brunner.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 21:49:51 --- join: ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) joined #forth 21:49:51 --- mode: brunner.freenode.net set +o ChanServ 21:56:18 Fractal: more likely, : cell- cell - ; :) 22:16:22 Possibly, ya 23:09:18 --- quit: ChanServ (brunner.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23:09:18 --- quit: Speuler (brunner.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23:09:18 --- quit: flyfly (brunner.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23:09:18 --- quit: ianni (brunner.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23:09:21 --- quit: Stepan (brunner.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23:09:22 --- quit: Fractal (brunner.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23:09:22 --- quit: sifbot (brunner.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23:09:24 --- quit: Robert (brunner.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23:09:25 --- quit: onetom (brunner.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23:10:05 --- join: ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) joined #forth 23:10:05 --- join: Fractal (vyfgdkf@dont.try.configuring.openbsd.on.stronglsd.com) joined #forth 23:10:05 --- join: onetom (~tom@novtan.bio.u-szeged.hu) joined #forth 23:10:05 --- join: Robert (~snofs@h138n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #forth 23:10:05 --- join: sifbot (~sifforth@ip68-9-68-123.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 23:10:05 --- join: Stepan (~stepan@likes.smoking.and.watching.spacenight.dk) joined #forth 23:10:05 --- join: ianni (ian@inpuj.net) joined #forth 23:10:05 --- join: flyfly (~marekb@ip164.ktvprerov.cz) joined #forth 23:10:05 --- join: Speuler (~semtex@mnch-d9ba4900.pool.mediaWays.net) joined #forth 23:10:05 --- mode: brunner.freenode.net set +o ChanServ 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/03.04.06