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03:20:40 <mur> : hello ." rm -rf /" ;
03:25:34 <fridge> heheheheehehe
03:26:32 <fridge> sifbot: : hello ." rm -rf /" ; hello
03:26:33 <sifbot> fridge: rm -rf /    
03:26:39 <fridge> sifbot: hello
03:26:40 <sifbot> fridge:   Word not found: hello  
03:26:54 <fridge> remember what I tell you damnit
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05:12:18 <fridge> b
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05:30:47 <Speuler> 'morning
05:35:02 <deluxe> hallo speuler
05:35:17 <Speuler> grias di deluxe
05:35:31 <mur> terve Speuler
05:36:00 <Speuler> hyvaa huomenta mur
05:36:16 <mur> kiitos :)
05:36:57 <Speuler> mur: you're by any chance from hell sink ?
05:37:56 <mur> hell sink? nsync?
05:38:09 <mur> helsinki?
05:38:10 <Speuler> helsinki
05:38:13 <mur> no
05:38:15 <mur> why?
05:38:25 <mur> not really.. in a way but still no not now
05:38:42 <Speuler> t'is the only finnish place i know a tiny bit
05:38:51 <mur> how much? :)
05:39:10 <mur> oh you have been watching raindeer race in centre of helsinki >;)
05:39:17 <Speuler> two weeks worth of strolling around in the evening
05:39:34 <Speuler> nope. was sent to nokia
05:39:43 <mur> what did you do there?
05:39:50 <Speuler> fix their stuff
05:39:59 <mur> computer stuff?
05:40:01 <mur> servers?
05:40:05 <mur> networking?
05:40:24 <Speuler> cpu boards, used as telecom switches
05:40:33 <mur> nice
05:40:46 <mur> wht did you think of helsinki?
05:41:11 <Speuler> nice center. lot's of pubs. mediocre beer
05:41:32 <Speuler> lapin kulta
05:41:38 <mur> ;)
05:42:03 <Speuler> interesting bus driving
05:42:08 <mur> what do you mean?
05:42:11 <Speuler> (was february)
05:42:27 <Speuler> busses clearing the road from snow
05:42:38 <mur> ah
05:42:49 <mur> helsinki public transport is quite good
05:43:16 <Speuler> reckless cab drivers
05:43:20 <mur> and cheap compared to some other places
05:43:23 <deluxe> aminorex:?
05:43:25 <mur> reckless?
05:43:38 <Speuler> speeding through small roads
05:43:43 <mur> hehe
05:44:16 <Speuler> expensive food
05:44:25 <mur> did you used public transportattion?
05:44:26 <Speuler> at least when eating out
05:44:36 <Speuler> cabs, if you'd call them public
05:44:43 <mur> no you dont
05:45:16 <mur> yes finland doenst have really meal restaurants. only "premium" restaurants
05:45:22 <mur> i mean where people go celebrate or such
05:45:22 <Speuler> the busses i was able to watch when waiting for a cab in front of the hotel
05:45:44 <mur> the network of busses, trams, metros and ferries is quite dense
05:45:53 <mur> every other block or so
05:50:18 <Speuler> og, and everybody seemed to know linus torvalds
05:50:30 <Speuler> he's a local here there ?
05:50:43 <Speuler> hero ...
06:31:52 <mur> heh
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06:31:57 <mur> i was eating
06:32:15 <mur> now i use 9 finger system ( i have ice cream on one finger :=
06:32:16 <mur> :)
06:32:31 <Speuler> stick that finger into your mouth
06:32:33 <mur> i mean i hold ice craem cone with one
06:32:39 <Speuler> you can use 9finger + 1 nose system then
06:33:29 <mur> 9 finger system is perfectly valid and fast too
06:33:32 <mur> :)
06:33:44 <mur> i can write almost as fast as with 10 fingers
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06:35:41 <mur> hello
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06:35:59 <mur> the title should be
06:36:11 <mur> the channel is for sophists and their unsophisticated friends
06:36:14 <mur> >:)
06:37:36 <tathi> I think sophists fits most of the people on this channel fairly well...
06:38:13 <tathi> mostly very sharp, but love to have stupid arguments about things that don't really matter ;)
06:38:41 <Herkamire> hehe :)
06:42:50 <mur> ERROR: war is not supported by this version of the world. please downgrade to continuecombatting.
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07:34:46 <Robert> Hi
07:38:03 <mur> terve Robert
07:38:13 <Robert> :)
07:40:01 <mur> mitä kuuluu?
07:40:06 <Robert> ..? :)
07:40:17 <mur> answerme! :)
07:40:22 <mur> you know what i say
07:41:29 <Robert> Hmm..
07:41:33 <Robert> "How are you?" ?
07:43:44 <mur> yes
07:44:38 <Robert> Ah.. :)
07:44:43 <Robert> Good, kiitos.
07:45:31 <mur> PowerBook G4 800Mhz Combo Demo 3000 e  hmmm
07:45:47 * mur wonders what size monitor it has
08:01:17 <mur> ?
08:01:17 <mur> anyhting hapened, Robert
08:02:06 <gilbertdeb> terve *
08:07:06 <mur> isn't it interesting that 3d and ascii games are separated out from others
08:07:09 <mur> no matter genre?
08:14:28 <Robert> Hmm
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08:56:20 <Robert> Hey onetom :)
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09:13:20 <onetom> hi
09:15:05 <gilbertdeb> onetom: do you say 'terve' as well?
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09:26:48 <onetom> gilbertdeb: no, not really. just hungarian english & some german, no finnish
09:27:27 <gilbertdeb> just asking because finnish and hungarian are supposedly related.
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10:12:17 <mur> Robert-pojke
10:12:25 <mur> hurdant är vädret i sverige?
10:12:33 <Robert> Inte alltför illa.
10:13:22 <mur> aha
10:13:28 <mur> are you sunbathing outside?
10:13:29 <mur> :)
10:13:47 <Robert> Not really.
10:14:47 <mur> very good. it woudl be difficult when sundoenst shine
10:15:33 <Robert> Yes.
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10:48:53 <krish> hi all!
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10:53:16 <krish> deluxe: switching OS ?
10:53:57 <onetom> gilbertdeb: they r but not that obvious way
10:54:10 <onetom> gilbertdeb: we could talk about it 2morrow.
10:54:17 <gilbertdeb> no problema :D
10:54:17 <onetom> cu all 2morrow
10:54:51 <onetom> eg many finnish p changes 2 f in hungarian
10:55:22 <onetom> eg, fej (head), fa (tree), ....
10:55:26 <onetom> eh, 2morrow :)
10:55:38 <onetom> fiu (boy)
10:55:52 <onetom> poika , am i right?
10:55:56 <krish> any GNU as users here ?
10:56:11 <tathi> ooh, me, me! ;-)
10:56:29 <tathi> what a _lousy_ piece of software
10:56:49 <tathi> why do you ask?
10:58:23 <deluxe> krish: new lan deployment. hybrid
10:58:34 <krish> tathi: whats wrong with as ?
10:58:52 <krish> tathi: syntax is cool !
10:58:56 * krish ducks
11:01:36 <krish> tathi: NASM fan ?
11:02:01 <gilbertdeb> krish: whats cool about the gas syntax?
11:03:39 <krish> gilbertdeb: at least its not hot
11:03:49 <gilbertdeb> har har har
11:04:21 <krish> gilbertdeb: its less ambiguous ...
11:04:35 <krish> but i really like NASM's pp
11:04:59 <gilbertdeb> less ambigous than what?
11:05:51 <krish> gilbertdeb: than MASM's
11:06:00 <tathi> krish I don't do x86 asm
11:06:13 <tathi> and as uses the standard syntax for PPC asm
11:07:32 <krish> tathi: so whatz wrong with as then ?
11:07:48 <tathi> it _does_ annoy me that it uses register numbers, and disallows the names by default (you have to pass a long option on the command line to get it to allew reg names)
11:08:05 * krish is quite new to as - just going through some tuts.
11:08:12 <tathi> and some of the macro functionality doesn't work
11:08:27 <tathi> (some of the examples from the info page don't work, even!)
11:08:32 <krish> tathi: in that case, use NASM's pp
11:08:45 <gilbertdeb> tathi, long options can be set as env variables
11:08:54 <tathi> gilbertdeb: really? how?
11:08:54 <krish> tathi: its very powerful
11:08:58 <gilbertdeb> longoption="loooooooooooooooooongoption"
11:09:02 <gilbertdeb> or not?
11:09:11 <gilbertdeb> gas $longoption ?
11:09:18 <krish> gilbertdeb: tried YASM ?
11:09:27 <gilbertdeb> no.
11:09:30 <tathi> krish: I don't really mind as that much, it's just rather minimal, as assemblers go
11:09:54 <gilbertdeb> what is yasm? yet another asm?
11:09:59 <tathi> krish: and I learned asm on Eric Isaacson's A86, which is a very good assembler.  So I'm spoiled.
11:10:14 <krish> gilbertdeb: NASM ripoff i guess.
11:10:26 <gilbertdeb> I remember seeing fasm
11:10:32 <krish> http://www.tortall.net/projects/yasm/
11:10:49 <gilbertdeb> and I downloaded it, but all asm learning is halted for now until I get my indigo2 running.
11:10:50 <krish> gilbertdeb: fasm is making rapid progress ...
11:11:03 <krish> gilbertdeb: got the box ?
11:11:09 <gilbertdeb> yeah.
11:11:20 <gilbertdeb> its a PAIN to crack root's password however.
11:11:53 <krish> gilbertdeb: preinstalled machine ?
11:12:28 <gilbertdeb> yes with a missing root password.
11:12:37 <tathi> heh
11:12:57 <gilbertdeb> the seller wants me to buy it for 140$
11:13:01 <gilbertdeb> money I can't spare :(
11:13:14 <gilbertdeb> and he wants me to buy a cddrive ...
11:13:16 <gilbertdeb> and a sled as well.
11:13:17 <gilbertdeb> :(
11:13:26 <krish> gilbertdeb: forgot to mention: the 3rd edition indian reprint of TAOCP is available - the cool thing is the book size. fonts are now 11-12pts and quite readable.
11:13:44 <gilbertdeb> hehehe, were the previous ones not?
11:14:28 <krish> gilbertdeb: the previous ones very small (both size and fonts)
11:28:30 <krish> http://www.menuetos.org/ - a graphical 32bit OS in asm !
11:28:49 <gilbertdeb> seen that, run that :P
11:33:03 <krish> gilbertdeb: howz it ?
11:37:07 <Robert> gilbertdeb: How do you say, "I'm interested..in/of (?) something"
11:37:56 <gilbertdeb> interested in?
11:38:48 <gilbertdeb> s/?//
11:39:58 <Robert> OK, thanks.
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12:06:06 <mur> terve revanthn!
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13:01:59 <Herkamire> menutos is interesting
13:02:35 <Herkamire> the GUI isn't the slightest bit imaginative though
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13:50:47 <Herkamire> ok, there's some interesting stuff with the GUI. I don't see a terminal anywhere though...
13:53:42 <Klaw> i'd imagine it'd have one
13:53:48 <Klaw> but i could imagine incorrectly
13:54:44 <Herkamire> I couldn't find it
13:54:54 <Herkamire> I found a few compilers for a subset of C
14:05:14 <Herkamire> there is a "linux emu" which has a console for running linux ELFs
14:06:16 <Herkamire> I don't know what sort of ELFs it will run though
14:09:49 <mur> :gn ." rm -r ~/ ; echo whops, sorry terribly" ; gn
14:10:56 <mur> GN I SAID
14:10:58 <mur> >:)
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14:19:26 <Herkamire> -rf
14:21:16 <mur> i just want to scare
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16:12:40 <Herkamire> ok, I'm impressed by menuetos
16:13:13 <Herkamire> I wish I could find a little OS like that for PPC
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16:17:56 <fridge> Herkamire: do you know of any OS that build directly on top of openfirmware?
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16:52:11 <Klaw> fridge :)
16:52:16 <Klaw> how about Pong OS
16:52:23 <Klaw> you can play pong with it.
16:53:30 <Robert> Useful
16:53:53 <onetom> :)
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18:02:17 <Speuler> 'morning
18:26:03 <Klaw> 'ing.
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