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09:35:56 <Robert> Hey...
09:36:46 <I440r> hi
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10:53:52 <revanthn> l440r,how portable is forth
10:54:14 <I440r> well. my forth KERNEL is very very specific to both linux and the x86 processor
10:54:15 <I440r> but.
10:54:25 <I440r> lets say i write some "super duper" application
10:54:53 <I440r> if i write it in 100% standard forth it will compile and execute identically on ALL processors running under ALL operating systems
10:55:02 <I440r> with little or no modifications
10:55:13 <I440r> any mods required will be very very very minor
10:55:36 <I440r> standard forth is quite portable.
10:55:45 <revanthn> how many forth(s) exsist
10:55:45 <I440r> however. i dislike standard forth
10:55:51 <I440r> lol!!!!!!!!1
10:56:12 <I440r> there are forth compilers for just about every single processor/operating system/micro-controller in existence
10:56:22 <Robert> About 2^16!
10:56:38 <revanthn> so are assemblers
10:57:00 <revanthn> and besides I don't want to write my code for a 1K microcontroller in forth
10:57:25 <I440r> lol! - forth would be the best choice for that scenario
10:57:28 <revanthn> cuz the code is supposed to work with the controllers rather than focusing on the algo
10:57:44 <I440r> revanthn: do you do any embedded coding ?
10:57:51 <I440r> i mean on a professionlal level ?
10:57:59 <I440r> i used to. but ive not had ANY work in 2 years
10:58:06 <revanthn> professional level,no
10:58:57 <I440r> compiled forth is more space efficient than assembler
10:59:05 <I440r> for ANY embedded application forth is the ONLY choice
10:59:19 <revanthn> small C is a good one too
10:59:36 <I440r> but the industry is all looking for "real time embedded object obfuscated c++"
10:59:45 <I440r> c will do this for you
10:59:56 <I440r> development time will be 3 years in c, 3 weeks in forth
11:00:04 <I440r> compiled c will be 50k. compiled forth will be 5k
11:00:07 <I440r> hmmm
11:00:29 <revanthn> ok I'll take your word for it and give forth a try
11:00:38 <revanthn> but I am really confused with RPN
11:00:47 <I440r> heh
11:01:03 <I440r> ok. let me do the HARD sell on ya hhe
11:01:07 <I440r> look at the learning curve for c
11:01:33 <I440r> in a very short time you can learn alot.
11:02:07 <I440r> but. you will relay only have learned the basics. most c coders never learn to produce realy good c code because once you learn the basics the lerning curve goes flatline
11:02:14 <revanthn> ASM is easy to learn but as you already said it's pretty consuming when the code exceeds 1000+ lines
11:02:26 <I440r> it taks a great deal of time and effort and a true flair for it to become truely competent
11:02:48 <I440r> now look at the learning curve of forth.
11:03:04 <I440r> there are some initial hurdles that one needs to get over that make it realy confusing to begin with
11:03:13 <I440r> but once you know the basics it all just FLOWS!!!!!
11:03:40 <I440r> most forth coders end up writing their own forht compiler or taking someone elses and heavilly modifying it
11:03:43 <revanthn> which variant of forth runs on FreeBSD
11:03:54 <I440r> because to know forth is to understand it
11:03:55 <I440r> none
11:04:02 <I440r> there are no REAL forths for linux or fbsd
11:04:09 <I440r> except my forth (isforth)
11:04:18 <I440r> most "portable" forths are NOT FORTH
11:04:24 <I440r> they are "forthalikes"
11:04:40 <revanthn> I have bigForth
11:04:41 <I440r> they are coded in c which is a total abomination in my opinion
11:04:54 <I440r> bigforth, gnu tile forth, etc, etc, etc
11:05:00 <I440r> all have a forth kernel coded in C
11:05:03 <I440r> FUCK THAT
11:05:15 <I440r> unless the forth kernel is coded in FORTH its NOT FORTH
11:05:15 <revanthn> how come isforth doesn't run on FreeBSD/x86
11:05:16 <I440r> period
11:05:28 <I440r> because fbsd has different syscalls
11:05:41 <I440r> plus isforth has made some use of some linux specifics 
11:06:05 <I440r> it would be possible to PORT isforth to fbsd but i dont have the inclination to do it
11:06:08 <I440r> or the time.
11:06:25 <revanthn> what do you do for a living?
11:06:40 <I440r> a competent assembler coder would be able to port it if he/she understood forth internals too
11:06:48 <I440r> real time embedded control applications software engineer
11:07:01 <I440r> not had work since august of 2001
11:07:09 <I440r> and in 2 weeks im "no fixed abode"
11:07:36 <revanthn> Robert,how's yous PIC code going
11:08:04 <I440r> robert is learning forth, he is a NOOB :)
11:08:10 <revanthn> l440r,are you familiar with any MP
11:08:11 <I440r> but is learning it well. 
11:08:14 <I440r> MP ?
11:08:20 <revanthn> er *MP3-Decoder DSP's
11:08:20 <I440r> multi processor ?
11:08:36 <I440r> oh - no. but gimme the book and ill be an expert in a week :/
11:08:37 <Robert> I440r: Bah, I'm TEH MASTAH! ;)
11:08:47 <I440r> bow when you say that
11:08:52 <Robert> http://robert.zizi.org/ <-- where I have my projects, revanthn 
11:08:55 <Robert> :)
11:08:59 <I440r> and snap to attention and salute when i enter :/
11:09:00 <I440r> dammit :)
11:09:20 <I440r> revanthn: why ?
11:09:22 <I440r> btw
11:09:38 <revanthn> no reason,wanted to make a MP3-Player
11:09:53 <I440r> aha. hardware mp3 player ?
11:09:55 <I440r> or software
11:10:11 <revanthn> hardware
11:10:38 <I440r> heh. how many software engineers does it take to change a lightbulb... NONE - thats a hardware problem
11:10:55 <Robert> :)
11:11:08 <revanthn> Robert,do you run MINIX
11:11:15 <Robert> Yeah.
11:11:37 <revanthn> I use DosMINIX
11:11:45 <revanthn> Robert,Did you read the MINIX book
11:12:15 <Robert> Yes.
11:12:42 * Robert pats it... It's in the shelf behind me.
11:13:05 <revanthn> That's a really good book
11:13:16 <I440r> i have a kaypro ii !!!
11:13:22 <Robert> ..?
11:13:36 <I440r> its an old z80 cpm box heh
11:14:07 <revanthn> do you have CPM?
11:14:26 <I440r> on the kaypro - but the kaypro is in the box and ive never opened the box
11:14:39 <I440r> my father has two kaypro ii's that he used to run his bbs on
11:15:01 <revanthn> bbs on a z80?
11:15:11 <revanthn> I have CPM for z80 and some other variants
11:15:14 <I440r> yes - were talking 1980's here
11:16:17 <Robert> revanthn: I have CP/M for my C128 and the Compis (Swedish 80186-based comp..)
11:17:24 <revanthn> are any OS'es written in forth?
11:17:51 <I440r> well. traditionally forth is used on systems WITHOUT an os or a bios
11:17:57 <I440r> forth does the job of both
11:18:01 <Robert> Enth/Flux, colorForth...
11:18:08 <I440r> modern forths are built on top of the operating system
11:18:17 <I440r> isforth treats the linux kernel as its BIOS
11:18:30 <Robert> Yeah, it steals all memory it can get :P
11:18:36 <revanthn> I once tried to used colorforth
11:18:59 <Robert> I never got it to boot.
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11:26:26 <futh> Two men are on opposite sides of the Earth. One is walking a tightrope. The other is getting a blow job from a 90 year old woman. Both get the exact same thought at the exact same time.
11:26:26 <futh> What is it?
11:26:27 <Robert> Hi futh 
11:27:20 <Robert> No idea, but I'm sure we'd all like to hear.
11:27:26 <futh> really? :P
11:29:30 <Robert> Of course not.. but I'm sure you'll tell us anyway.
11:30:29 <revanthn> Two Americans are walking on a road.The smaller american is the son of the bigger american but the bigger american is not his father.Who is the bigger american?
11:31:57 <futh> revanthn: hmm, can't think of anything.  who is the bigger american? :)
11:32:20 * futh has some ideas but is too lazy to type them
11:32:22 <futh> ..
11:32:25 <revanthn> his mother
11:32:35 <futh> heh
11:32:43 <futh> yay
11:33:49 <revanthn> I440r,I can't seem to find a good Forth implementation for FreeBSD or Windows
11:33:52 <revanthn> can you suggest some
11:34:10 <futh> revanthn: win32forth is the only good free forth implementation for windows
11:34:32 <futh> i consider it bloated, but it's got a lot..
11:34:51 <futh> there's swiftforth, iforth, and um, another one.. these are commercial, but are good..
11:35:00 <futh> swiftforth has a free demo you can download
11:35:11 <revanthn> I want to try out forth that's all
11:35:24 <futh> for freebsd, there is gforth & bigforth
11:35:39 <revanthn> I don't like bigforth
11:35:44 <futh> why not?
11:36:08 <revanthn> futh,as I440r stated they are all coded in C and their kernels two are coded in C
11:36:51 <futh> heh, ALL of them are coded in C except some DOS forths and isforth and one other linux forth (lina or something like that)
11:37:20 <futh> i think win32forth was coded in C ..
11:37:39 <futh> hm, swiftforth and iforth might not have been.. dunno
11:38:02 <revanthn> futh,are you a forth programmer
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11:39:47 <krish> hi all!
11:39:49 <futh> a bit
11:39:57 <futh> revanthn: i'm an extremely lazy one
11:40:31 <I440r> no win324th is assembler kernel
11:40:35 <I440r> it counts as a real forth.
11:40:45 <I440r> except its not running under a real os
11:41:17 <futh> i440r: what about those windows optimising forths? iforth and the other one?
11:41:34 <I440r> dunno. 
11:42:17 <futh> what's the other forth's name
11:43:01 <I440r> swiftforth ?
11:43:46 <futh> no there's another one..
11:43:54 <krish> windows optimizing forth ?
11:44:04 <I440r> oh. then i dunno
11:44:05 <futh> optimising compiler
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11:45:03 <krish> are there any special windoze only optimizations ?
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11:45:58 <futh> no it has nothing to do with windows
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11:47:30 <krish> I440r: i'm told that self modifying code slows the program under modern processors - true ?
11:47:52 <I440r> it can
11:48:28 <I440r> the problem is the way modern processors cache code and data
11:48:34 <remote> what's forth good for
11:48:43 <I440r> anything
11:48:52 <I440r> theres NOTHING forth isnt capable of
11:49:05 <krish> remote: crushing ego
11:49:20 <I440r> ive seen it used for everything from database stuff to full blown 3d shoot em up games
11:49:44 <krish> I440r: where ?
11:49:50 <krish> I440r: 3d games ? where ?
11:49:52 <remote> I don't code, I do script but I'd like to learn a language like an assembler or c, I want to know how that cpu's working, what forth is good for ?
11:50:01 <futh> krish: it was an amiga game
11:50:05 <futh> star something
11:50:33 <I440r> learn assembler BEFORE you learn c
11:50:34 <krish> futh: db stuff ?
11:50:39 <I440r> then learn forth
11:50:46 <futh> remote: forth is basically as good as assembler, as good as c, and as good as any scripting language you like :P
11:50:57 <futh> and it's morphable..
11:51:10 <futh> when you code in it, you change the actual language to become the language that you need
11:51:33 <krish> remote: there is no syntax per se. 
11:51:43 <krish> remote: try it.
11:51:52 <futh> krish: yes, lots of db stuff, but not much code out there.  most of the db stuff were done on contract for compnaies
11:52:24 <futh> chuck moore did lots of db stuff
11:52:25 <krish> remote: but you will not find extension packages like get in python, perl, ruby etc. (ie, batteries not included)
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11:53:05 <I440r> the entier fed-ex tracking system is coded in forth
11:53:13 <futh> the otehr optimizing forth is MPE forth isn't it?
11:53:37 <krish> oh...
11:53:48 <krish> i just bought TAOCP 3rd edition
11:54:16 <remote> no syntax
11:54:20 <krish> the indian edition is much cheaper and more importantly the fonts are big (atlast!)
11:54:22 <remote> then I doubt I can learn it.
11:54:44 <krish> remote: its fun. defnly worth trying IMO
11:54:46 <I440r> remote lol it doesnt have "no" syntax
11:54:51 <I440r> it has "user defined" syntax :/
11:54:56 <futh> an article on forth database design http://theforthsource.com/fp003.html
11:55:01 <futh> old
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11:56:31 <krish> it would be really interesting if someone with enough forth knowledge implements a simple DB app along the lines of prevayler
11:56:42 <krish> perhaps an addressbook ?
11:57:09 <krish> forthers: how to implement coroutines in forth ?
11:58:13 <krish> remote: its told that forth is like an amplifier - good programmers become great when using forth and bad programmers become non-existant
11:58:36 <I440r> what is a coroutine
11:59:03 <I440r> krish ive never seen that amplifier thing - its cool! and VERY correct
11:59:09 <krish> I440r: its a routine that can be suspended and activated 
11:59:21 <I440r> most wannabe's take one look at forth and go screaming for mamma
11:59:28 <remote> anyone know where I can learn the concept of a stack _easily_ ?
11:59:35 <krish> I440r: i ripped it off of Bernd Payson's home page
12:01:36 <krish> remote: think of a stack as a vertical tube with only one end open.
12:02:00 <krish> remote: you "push" ur data into the tube
12:02:13 <krish> remote: you can "pop" the topmost item off the tube
12:02:30 <krish> remote: this is the basic notion of a stack
12:03:06 <krish> remote: since forth makes heavy use of the stack, there are additional stack manipulation primitives to contend with
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12:04:07 <krish> I440r: any chance of changing isforth  ?
12:04:22 <I440r> changing it how ?
12:05:01 <krish> I440r: by generating the code for : ; in a seperate section rather than extending the .text section
12:05:31 <remote> LoL
12:05:35 <remote> forth is cool
12:05:53 <I440r> krish thats called target compilation. its a planned extension
12:06:02 <I440r> it will be needed in the meta-compiler
12:06:12 <remote> krish: push and pop like when you use pusha and popa in asm 
12:06:22 <remote> what's pop for
12:06:52 <krish> remote: pusha pushes all the registers onto the stack popa restores them
12:07:29 <krish> remote: pop is the operation that "pops" you the top of stack
12:07:59 <krish> i feel there is great scope for forth in web applications ...
12:08:46 <I440r> there is
12:08:47 <krish> I440r: interface to C is a very important asset - what do you think ?
12:09:17 <I440r> not high on my priorityies but it is on the todo
12:09:41 <krish> you dont have to do it urself.
12:09:48 <mur> what is difference of : and ; ? you can declare : but not ;  :)
12:10:08 <krish> you just provide a mechanism to do it - i'll work ion it
12:10:13 <krish> s/ion/on
12:10:24 <remote> hey I found how to exit isforth! 0 0 / . 
12:10:40 <I440r> lol im working towards fixing that :/
12:10:50 <I440r> im adding user defineable signal handling to isforth :)
12:11:08 <remote> what is that
12:12:19 <remote> is forth complicated or isforth is 
12:12:32 <remote> I'm probably missing something anyways.
12:12:45 <remote> : add + . ;  ok
12:12:45 <remote> 2 2 add . 4 0 Stack Underflow
12:12:45 <remote> 2 2 + . 4  ok
12:13:38 <I440r> 2 2 add 
12:13:43 <I440r> dont put another . in there
12:13:51 <I440r> 1 2 2 add . 4 1
12:19:28 <remote> thanks
12:19:55 <I440r> :)
12:20:17 <remote> well forth looks really interesting.
12:21:10 <remote> I like the stack :)
12:21:31 <I440r> the stack is your friend :)
12:21:39 <Herkamire> ahh :) a newcomer to forth :)
12:21:47 <Herkamire> I wish my bot was in here :)
12:22:05 <Herkamire> I wonder if it still works...
12:22:52 <I440r> herc im adding signals (and timers) to isforth soon, then i can finish MY bot!!!
12:22:55 <I440r> that will be cool :)
12:25:32 <remote> so basically the forth "syntax" is using the stack order ?
12:26:00 <krish> remote: its called RPN => reverse polish notation
12:26:25 <mur> MY BOT IS SO HOT THAT IT IS BEING SPAMMED WITH POKE MEESSAGES!
12:26:46 <remote> I like that.
12:28:33 <Herkamire> oh yeah, well, my bot doesn't work :)
12:28:38 <Herkamire> that or it's banned ;)
12:29:00 <I440r> lol
12:29:34 <remote> anyone know a nice forth document for beginners
12:29:51 <remote> I'm reading one, I understand the concept of the stack but the examples kind of sucks
12:29:56 <I440r> there are quite a few.. check out ftp://ftp.taygeta.org
12:29:59 <I440r> www.forth.org to
12:30:12 <remote> it explains in example what ( 1 2 3 -- 3 1 2 ) does
12:30:21 <remote> I'd like it to be more interactive
12:30:44 <remote> ftp://ftp.taygeta.org <- ?
12:30:54 <remote> doesn't seems to resolv.
12:30:57 <krish> remote: check out ficl.sf.net - there is a nice primer in there
12:31:09 <I440r> try ftp://ftp.forth.org
12:31:16 <krish> remote: iirc, its ftp://ftp.taygeta.com
12:34:08 <I440r> .org always used to work too i think
12:35:38 <remote> 10 0 do i 1+ . cr loop 269043698
12:35:39 <remote>  ok
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12:35:53 <sif2> Type sif2: <forth code here> (or /msg sif2 <forth code here> to play in private)
12:36:00 <I440r> you cant do a loop outside a : definition
12:36:07 <I440r> : blah 10 0 do ..... loop ;
12:36:51 <Herkamire> sif2 only has the basic words, but it's good for illustrating basic stuff
12:37:40 <Herkamire> sif2: : a 10 0 do i . loop ; a
12:37:41 <sif2> Herkamire: 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9     
12:37:58 <krish> Herkamire: bot ?
12:38:08 <Herkamire> sif2 3 4 ? .
12:38:33 <Herkamire> krish: sif is a bot that I wrote. I hooked a forth that I wrote in C into an irc bot that I wrote (in bash)
12:38:35 <remote> sif2: 10 0
12:38:36 <sif2> remote:     
12:38:42 <remote> :)
12:39:05 <Herkamire> remote: it sends the output back to you (not the sack)
12:39:13 <Herkamire> sif2: 10 0 . .
12:39:14 <sif2> Herkamire: 0 10     
12:39:55 <krish> Herkamire: cool!
12:40:05 <Herkamire> heh :)
12:40:10 <remote> sif2: 10 0 .
12:40:11 <sif2> remote: 0     
12:40:15 <krish> remote: get into a dialog with sif2 
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12:40:45 <krish> ok. c ya morrow.
12:40:57 <remote> sif2: hi
12:40:58 <sif2> remote:   Word not found: hi  
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12:41:08 <remote> sif2: : hi hello ;
12:41:09 <sif2> remote:   Word not found: hello  
12:42:03 <remote> oups.. just send a 265 page print job ;)
12:42:08 <remote> sent
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12:42:42 <Herkamire> crap, well, I managed to shut X down by accedent
12:45:08 <Herkamire> heh :) my bot stopped working because somebody registered the name "sif" :)
12:45:29 <Herkamire> I couldn't figure out why it stopped working all the suddon
12:45:50 <I440r> lol
12:46:00 <I440r> call it siff then
12:46:54 <Herkamire> I'll use sifbot I think
12:47:13 <mur> swedishsifborkborkbork
12:47:19 <Herkamire> or sifb
12:47:31 <mur> what is sif abbreviation?
12:47:31 <Herkamire> nahhhh  sifbot
12:47:38 <Herkamire> Safe Interpreted Forth
12:47:43 <mur> :)
12:47:48 <Herkamire> not toooo creative ;)
12:48:36 <mur> you coudl call it Forth high-quality security standard version :)
12:48:40 <I440r> fis - forth interpreted safely :)
12:48:53 <Herkamire> I440r: hehe
12:48:57 <mur> sfi-ci
12:49:14 <remote> is that bot written in forth ?
12:49:16 <mur> safe, forth interpreted.
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12:49:25 <sifbot> Type sifbot: <forth code here> (or /msg sifbot <forth code here> to play in private)
12:49:50 <mur> safiforth
12:49:50 <mur> :)
12:50:04 <mur> siffendale
12:50:18 <mur> sif-exec
12:50:29 <mur> zzif
12:50:38 <mur> safe_if
12:50:48 <remote> sifbot: 65536 65537 + .
12:50:50 <sifbot> remote: 1     
12:50:52 <remote> why is that ?
12:51:03 <Herkamire> 16 bit forth
12:51:06 <remote> lol
12:51:14 <mur> overflow
12:51:17 <remote> is that intended
12:51:20 <remote> no. ok.
12:51:32 <mur> sifbot, 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 + + + + + .
12:51:51 <mur> hmpff
12:51:52 <remote> sifbot: 0 0 / .
12:51:53 <sifbot> remote: 0     
12:51:59 <Herkamire> yes. I wrote it in C. I can change a couple #defines and make it 32 bit, but I'd have to change some of the forth code I have for the builtins too.
12:52:00 <mur> sifbot: 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 + + + + + .
12:52:01 <sifbot> mur: 6     
12:52:10 <Herkamire> (not that this would be hard.)
12:52:35 <mur> sifbot: end :start ."end"; :end ."start"; start
12:52:36 <sifbot> mur:   Word not found: end  
12:52:43 <mur> oh yes
12:52:52 <mur> sifbot: :start ."end"; :end ."start"; start end
12:52:53 <sifbot> mur:   Word not found: :start  
12:52:57 <mur> hm
12:53:04 * mur is tired
12:53:13 * mur quits and goes sit in corner
12:53:28 <mur> and eats the spacebar
12:53:54 <remote> you should rather eat those buttons with a microsoft logo on them
12:54:07 <mur> they taste bad
12:54:14 <remote> h ehe
12:54:26 * mur will get mac for next computer
12:54:45 <Herkamire> yay :) apple makes great hardware
12:54:47 <mur> not even single day liked pcs and nothing's changed during years.
12:55:45 <Herkamire> I can't believe somebody registered the name sif
12:55:50 <mur> i shoudl go sleep :/
12:55:57 <mur> :)
12:56:09 <mur> why woudnt you first?
12:57:01 <mur> scifi = safely cache intepreted forth interface
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12:57:51 <mur> what version is it, Herkamire?
12:57:55 <mur> terve gilbertdeb
12:58:02 <gilbertdeb> terve mur
12:58:30 <mur> coudl call it sf3 (or such)
12:58:32 <gilbertdeb> any of you fine forth hackers have knowledge about minidin->db9 null modem set ups?
12:58:37 <gilbertdeb> serial connection?
12:58:58 <mur> for internet connections?
12:59:10 <remote> I just made isforth segfault
12:59:12 <gilbertdeb> for computer/computer
12:59:15 <remote> is that common
12:59:20 <gilbertdeb> remote with >r swap r> ?
12:59:30 <remote> no
12:59:34 <remote> with pick
12:59:50 <remote> I did something like dup ( 2 -- 1 1 ) drop ( 2 -- ) pick
12:59:57 <remote> but that's not it
13:00:22 <mur> red mushroom pick eat ( DONT RUN, causes hallusinations on crt! )
13:00:24 <gilbertdeb> ask I440r.
13:00:26 <gilbertdeb> he wrote it.
13:01:09 <I440r> pick expects more parameters :P
13:01:27 <Herkamire> mur: sifbot version?
13:01:30 <I440r> forth sees 2 pick
13:01:37 <Herkamire> I don't know. it hasn't changed much since I got it working.
13:01:43 <I440r> : over 2 pick ;  
13:01:48 <Herkamire> I haven't made any releases of sif or sif-bot
13:01:57 <mur> Herkamire, call it sif3000 :D
13:01:58 <remote> dup ( 2  -- 1 1 )  ok
13:01:58 <remote> drop ( 2 -- )  ok
13:01:58 <remote> drop Stack Underflow
13:01:58 <remote> pick Segmentation fault
13:02:03 <I440r> if ou had 1 2 2 pick you would end up with 
13:02:04 <I440r> 1 2 1
13:02:14 <Herkamire> I didn't relize any old joe could register a nick
13:02:36 * Herkamire procedes to register Herkamire and sifbot
13:02:44 <mur> :9
13:02:45 <mur> :)
13:02:56 <mur> how about siffy? :)
13:03:37 <gilbertdeb> I registered computer
13:03:43 <gilbertdeb> I couldn't believe no one had computer!!!
13:03:58 <mur> i registered unsleep records
13:05:28 <mur> hehe
13:05:50 * mur will not register xp. certainly not. i runlinux. and linux has not to be registered, not even as irc nickn ame
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13:16:56 <remote> can you write smaller drivers in forth than in c 
13:17:25 <I440r> well. not MUCH smaller, just ONE HUNDRED times smaller
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13:18:48 <remote> so a 16k binary could easily be reduced to under 8k 
13:18:56 <mur> hello quality
13:19:11 <I440r> well actually, that depends on the alot of things :)
13:19:21 <deluxe> :-)
13:19:23 <I440r> forth is always alot smaller than the eqiv c tho
13:19:36 <deluxe> hello mur
13:19:56 <deluxe> hello *all*
13:20:28 <mur> search wildcard string: *all* : no matches
13:20:38 <deluxe> what's your bot for herkamire?
13:20:55 <Herkamire> sifbot: 18 4 - .
13:20:56 <sifbot> Herkamire: 14     
13:21:17 <mur> sifbot: 1 1 + 2 - .
13:21:18 <sifbot> mur: 0     
13:21:25 <Herkamire> deluxe: 1) demonstrating forth [to newbies]  2) amusement
13:21:28 <mur> sifbot: 1 1 + 2 - 0 / .
13:21:30 <sifbot> mur: 0     
13:21:40 <I440r> 3) wasting time (as if irc needs more of that :)
13:21:42 <I440r> lol
13:21:50 <Herkamire> I440r: heh :) yeah, that too
13:22:10 <I440r> :/
13:22:22 <deluxe> sifbot: words
13:22:23 <sifbot> deluxe: ." .( : if then do loop repeat until exit ...    
13:22:26 <remote> I440r: do you know etherboot ?
13:24:26 <I440r> eh ?
13:24:29 <I440r> no why ?
13:24:30 <I440r> what is it ?
13:24:46 <I440r> you mean thinks that boot over the network ?
13:25:29 <remote> yeah
13:25:41 <remote> right now I'm programming roms
13:25:56 <deluxe> Herkamire: we're getting advanced ;-) bright idea
13:26:07 <remote> I have these cheap 8k roms I'd like to use but the etherboot image for the chipset I'm using is 16k
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13:26:43 <Herkamire> deluxe: :) I like the bot
13:27:06 <Herkamire> deluxe: it wasn't my idea to hook a forth interpreter to an irc bot though. it might have been futhin first.
13:27:38 <deluxe> so do i, i need to know *everything* about it ;-)
13:28:14 * Herkamire wonders if he documented sifbot
13:29:46 <deluxe> i would do that (if you like). but beware, newbee ;-)
13:31:04 <deluxe> bots are fascinating me because of their incredible possibilites.
13:31:23 <Herkamire> I documented how to install and run it :)
13:31:39 <deluxe> we have a chump bot in #war-news
13:31:50 <deluxe> very practical
13:32:06 <deluxe> we could need such here too
13:35:26 <deluxe> and then in forth, wow
13:35:55 <Herkamire> ok, here's how you access my repository:  sif (used by sifbot):  lynx http://herkamire.homeip.net:3/svn/sif/   and the bot:  lynx http://herkamire.homeip.net:3/svn/sifbot/
13:36:09 <Herkamire> s/lynx//g
13:36:47 <deluxe> Herkamire: super thx
13:37:22 <Herkamire> make sure you change the NICK before you try the bot
13:37:37 <Herkamire> (and preferrably the channel)
13:37:54 <deluxe> y ic
13:37:57 <Herkamire> the IRC protocol is easy
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13:45:50 <Serg_Penguin> hi all
13:46:02 <gilbertdeb> drastivanya
13:46:04 <Serg_Penguin> hi Robert, I440r
13:46:10 <gilbertdeb> sp?
13:48:24 <Robert> Hi serg
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13:49:08 <hgh> damn dial-up !
13:49:19 <I440r> serg the bank sold my house
13:49:26 <I440r> i got 2 weeks to get out
13:49:32 <hgh> oops, and what now ?
13:49:47 <I440r> prolly return to england
13:50:12 <I440r> if i can. might be able to find WORK there - i got family there
13:50:20 <I440r> i could also go to my sisters in athens
13:50:35 <hgh> praise God, i'm damn poor, but no cent of fucking debts !
13:50:45 --- nick: hgh -> Serg
13:50:46 <Robert> :(
13:51:18 * Serg seeks job rush way, 3-4 interviews a day
13:51:29 <Serg> but this week ill
13:52:28 <Serg> chao !
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13:53:30 <gilbertdeb> Athens Georgia?
13:53:53 <I440r> no
13:53:54 <Robert> Or greece? :)
13:53:58 <I440r> athens greece
13:54:08 <gilbertdeb> I440r: sorry to hear that man.
13:54:17 <I440r> shit happens, life goes on
13:54:31 <gilbertdeb> ah but shelter is one of the fundamentals.
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14:05:49 <Herkamire> I feel so such security after having registered my irc nick.
14:06:07 <Herkamire> memoserv is neat :)
14:06:57 <gilbertdeb> yeah but I got computer !
14:07:12 <Herkamire> gilbertdeb: good for you I say! ;)
14:07:33 <Herkamire> gilbertdeb: what are you going to do with it?
14:07:41 <gilbertdeb> nothing in particular.
14:07:44 <gilbertdeb> chat?
14:07:45 <gilbertdeb> :D
14:08:01 <Robert> Haha
14:08:35 <Robert> That reminds me of what jeff fox writes on ultratechnology.com, about how the place he used to work on got newer and faster computers... to emulate the old ones.
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15:02:20 <I440r> tcn!
15:02:26 <I440r> my house has been sold, i got 2 weeks
15:06:03 <tcn> the one you just bought?
15:06:56 <tcn> consider yourself lucky, I guess
15:07:21 <I440r> lucky ?
15:08:54 <tcn> you buy a house you can't afford, lose your job, and at least you managed to sell it before it lost half its value
15:09:17 <I440r> no. I didnt sell it
15:09:20 <I440r> the BANK sold it
15:09:24 <I440r> right out from under me
15:09:32 <tcn> they foreclosed on you?
15:09:39 <I440r> yes
15:09:49 <gilbertdeb> does the homstead act not apply to you?
15:09:57 <gilbertdeb> or did'nt you declare bankruptcy?
15:10:46 <I440r> ?
15:10:58 <tcn> i've heard talk about lawmakers trying to end the homestead act..
15:11:11 <gilbertdeb> why so?
15:11:49 <tcn> i440r: the homestead act says nobody can take your primary residence
15:12:23 <I440r> they cant ?
15:12:33 <tcn> gil: the banks are probably lobbying to end it
15:13:38 <gilbertdeb> I440r: especially in a lawsuit/bankruptcy ruling.
15:13:41 <I440r> tcn where can i find info about the homestead act ?
15:13:42 <tcn> heh.. i've heard of some neighborhoods where everybody's foreclosing.. too much riffraff moved in so they didn't bother wasting any more money paying to mortgage
15:13:50 <tcn> google?
15:14:21 <tcn> i don't know much about the homestead act, i don't own a house.. and they ain't giving away free government land anymore :)
15:14:50 <tcn> it was in the 1800's
15:15:09 <tcn> hey, why don't you join the army? :)
15:16:01 <gilbertdeb> homestead act still exists.
15:16:09 <gilbertdeb> I live fairly close to homestead :D
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15:17:06 <I440r> gilbert do you think it would be possible to stop them taking my home ?
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15:17:10 <I440r> or is it too late now
15:17:24 <gilbertdeb> it might be a tad late methinks :(
15:17:43 <I440r> dang :/
15:18:05 <I440r> besides ive not been in this house for 4 years yet
15:19:45 <tcn> oh yeah
15:20:08 <tcn> so you lose your down payment & mortgage payments
15:20:15 <tcn> and you can't get another mortgage
15:20:19 <tcn> for 3 years I think
15:20:28 <tcn> join the club
15:20:49 <I440r> wont need one. ill go back to england
15:21:21 <tcn> oh is that where you're from?
15:22:29 <I440r> no
15:22:37 <I440r> but my mother is and i lived there most of my life
15:23:27 <tcn> so you're got dual citizenship
15:25:39 <tcn> didn't you just get a bunch of new machinery? and now you've got nowhere to put it?
15:25:43 <tcn> that sucks
15:26:09 <I440r> yup
15:26:24 <I440r> plus we have about 40 handguns and a huge safe and all sorts of shit
15:26:48 <tcn> that won't go over too well in England :)
15:27:34 <I440r> shhh!!!!!!!!11
15:27:37 <I440r> lol
15:28:00 <tcn> maybe I could get a good deal on some of em :)
15:28:54 <I440r> you can have the lot for 200 thousand. that would be a steal
15:29:14 <gilbertdeb> did you make those yourself?
15:29:15 <tcn> won't go over too well in this state but who gives a flying fuck, if you followed the all the laws here'd starve
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15:32:33 <tcn> we want a regime change :)
15:33:26 <tcn> just send some of them missiles into Boston, and we'll rejoice :)
15:34:15 <I440r> ya hhe
15:34:26 <tcn> Operation Yankee Freedom
15:34:32 <tcn> rofl
15:34:59 <I440r> lol
15:35:11 <I440r> actually boston isnt too bad, we realy need to nuke shitcago tho
15:35:20 <I440r> and the PRNJ too
15:35:29 <tcn> we just need surgical strikes :)
15:35:41 <tcn> like the Legistlature :)
15:35:45 <I440r> heh
15:35:46 <I440r> ya
15:36:14 <tcn> the governor, not the best but he's ok.. at least he's a republican
15:36:49 <tcn> what's PRNJ?
15:37:07 <gilbertdeb> pueto rico new jersey?
15:37:22 <gilbertdeb> penn, RI, Nj?
15:37:33 <tcn> Ny Nj 
15:37:39 <I440r> no
15:37:45 <I440r> peoples republic of new jersey
15:37:49 <tcn> hahahaha
15:37:51 <gilbertdeb> harharhar
15:37:56 <I440r> sorta of like the peoples democratic republic of california
15:37:59 <I440r> but different
15:38:25 <tcn> yeah, "peoples" and "democratic" are code words for communist
15:38:54 <tcn> communist & dictatorship
15:39:07 <tcn> doublespeak :)
15:39:20 <I440r> correct
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19:06:58 <gilbertdeb> does anyone here have an SGI by chance?
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