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00:05:01 <Speuler> 'morning
00:37:45 <fridge> hehe, pong for openfirmware
00:38:02 <fridge> mmm, might go on a hunt for openfirmware code
00:52:04 <Klaw> how about lain?
00:52:08 <Klaw> i started that one, but didn't finish
01:45:15 <fridge> I watched it
01:45:23 <fridge> don't think I got every episode
01:45:24 <fridge> but a lot
01:45:28 <fridge> very slow
01:45:46 <fridge> I think it would be good if you were on some form of depressant
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02:21:33 <krish> hi!
02:22:04 <Speuler>  
02:22:08 <Speuler> hi
02:29:37 <krish> Speuler: busy yesterday ?
02:29:43 <Speuler> yep
02:30:30 <Speuler> would be busy now too
02:30:44 <Speuler> only, my transport didn't show up yet
02:30:55 <Speuler> 1.5 hours overdue now
02:53:26 <krish> is iforth commercial ?
02:54:33 <Speuler> yes. at least, it was 5 years ago
02:55:31 <krish> Speuler: have you read "Forth: the new model" ?
02:55:42 <Speuler> not sure
02:58:07 <fridge> yet another out of print forth book
03:06:26 <krish> fridge: when a book goes out of print does'n the copyright revert back to the author ?
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03:14:58 <deluxe> bon jour
03:15:12 <deluxe> tach speuler
03:16:09 <deluxe> good morning Robert. ;-)
03:18:04 <krish>  when a book goes out of print does'n the copyright revert back to the author ?
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03:28:51 <Speuler> grias di deluxe
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05:42:07 <krish> mur: the flying finn wins !!!!
05:42:17 <mur> well okay
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06:07:41 <mur> XeF4_, 
06:24:29 <mur> enough of computers! no irc for a while. grrr
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08:49:17 <krish> ...
08:50:51 <Robert> ...
08:58:33 <krish> why cant someone talk to the authors and get those "out-of-print" books online ?
09:24:00 <onetom> good question
09:25:03 <deluxe> krish: now you have a mission ;-)
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09:29:57 <krish> ok. any of you have contact details ?
09:31:50 <tathi> for?
09:31:59 * tathi goes to check the logs
09:33:18 <tathi> IIRC thin contacted Leo Brodie, author of Starting Forth, etc., and he doesn't own the copyright on them.
09:33:48 <tathi> or something.  pretty sure he has been contacted and was unable or unwilling to allow the books to be put online.
09:33:58 <tathi> don't know about other authors.
09:38:10 <krish> has anyone read "Forth: The New Model" ?
09:38:44 <krish> maybe Jack Woehr should be contacted
09:38:49 <tathi> nah. Forth is one of those languages where you make it up as you go along ;)
09:38:57 <tathi> who needs books
09:39:33 <krish> hmmm
09:39:52 <deluxe> leo brodie's books are available from fig uk
09:41:05 <krish> "Real Time Forth" is pretty good and its online
09:44:49 <onetom> where where?
09:44:53 <deluxe> :-)
09:45:19 <deluxe> where where tell us immediately where LOL
09:45:47 <onetom> exact url wanted
09:46:10 <tathi> :-)
09:46:40 <deluxe> come on, Krish. this is your duty ;-) feed the hungry :-)
09:47:06 <mur> yes lemonade and water from wine and clone the bread
09:47:20 <tathi> go to http://www.google.com/
09:47:24 <tathi> enter "Real Time Forth"
09:47:30 <tathi> click "I'm Feeling Lucky"
09:47:32 <tathi> ;-)
09:47:52 <tathi> http://www.cs.may.ie/~jpower/Courses/se209/forth/rtf/
09:48:03 <onetom> thx :)
09:49:36 <krish> i pulled it from ftp://ftp.taygeta.com/pub/Forth/Literature/rtfv5.pdf
09:52:30 <krish> "Mastering Forth" is priced at 24$ on Amazon - I bought it for Rs 200 (~ 4$) from a local bookstore.
09:54:10 <krish> whatz this 4th stuff ?
09:56:54 <onetom> and?
09:56:59 <onetom> what is it? ;)
09:57:20 <krish> seems like a (nother) forth impl.
09:58:04 <deluxe> hey, what do you all think about having a chump bot here?
09:58:22 <mur> OH NO! No more pac man!
09:58:26 <krish> chump bot ?
09:58:34 <mur> chump chump all the nice ghosts!
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09:59:53 <deluxe> krish: go to #war-news and see a chump bot used 
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10:10:22 <PoppaVic> Up & at 'em boychicks.. I could use some advice, today - re: pfv & gforth
10:10:53 <PoppaVic> (loading the isforth page right now)
10:11:08 <krish> is gforth stale ?
10:11:19 <PoppaVic> "stale"?
10:13:13 <mur> dry bread crumb :)
10:13:31 <mur> there are no war news deluxe
10:13:37 <mur> oonly propaganda
10:13:52 <mur> propaganda has facts but it is not reliable source 
10:14:09 <PoppaVic> "Rumor Intelligence" ;-)
10:14:19 <mur> no 
10:14:31 <mur> rumours are not propangada even thuogh related closelyt
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10:18:10 <deluxe> mur: see the channel, i don't think we do propaganda. actually quite often us and european are fighting arguments
10:18:51 <deluxe> mur: besides publishing caught news-links...
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10:20:47 <mur> deluxe, who we?
10:20:59 <mur> who doesnt do propaganda?
10:21:16 <deluxe> we on #war-news
10:21:25 <mur> no certainly you are not doing
10:21:32 <mur> doing propaganda is hard
10:21:43 <mur> and needs very much profession on behaviour sciences
10:21:49 <mur> and is related to happenings
10:22:11 <mur> propaganda has always target and a mission
10:22:23 <mur> you cannot "just do" propaganda
10:22:30 <mur> it requires research 
10:22:44 * mur has studied propaganda a bit :P
10:23:30 <mur> but i woudlnt rate very objective news which represents "us attack map"
10:23:56 <mur> and i dont find it very objective to have reporters at us mil base
10:24:19 <mur> just to mention, although that is not related to this
10:25:03 <mur> but i very much doubt you have any real news on #war-news. it is propably from either us mil filtered or iraq mil filtered information
10:25:15 <mur> they are not any truths. 
10:25:42 <deluxe> i'm looking daily at a webcam in bagdad, installed by spanish peace activists
10:26:26 <deluxe> that might propaganda in your eyes, but still good enough for me
10:26:48 <deluxe> or objective enough...
10:27:21 <deluxe> also there are other sources alike
10:28:24 <deluxe> posting all related includes also includes material from the UN
10:28:34 <krish> mur: yesterday, I saw on bbc a reporter on a mil. vehicle - what the hell was he doing ?
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11:36:04 <krish> oscar winners announced ?
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15:13:50 <futhin> werd all
15:13:50 <futhin> werd tcn
15:13:50 <tcn> hey
15:13:50 <futhin> how's your forth coding going? :P
15:14:54 <tcn> heh.. it's not
15:15:58 <futhin> what?
15:16:12 <futhin> how can that be!
15:16:29 <Robert> Hi futhin, tcn :)
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15:17:12 <TheBlueWizard> hiya all
15:17:57 <futhin> hey
15:18:08 <Robert> Hi TheBlueWizard :)
15:18:16 <futhin> tbw: how goes your forth coding?
15:19:06 <TheBlueWizard> hiya futhin
15:19:11 <TheBlueWizard> hiya Robert
15:19:39 <TheBlueWizard> haven't done any forth coding at all in a long while...busy on several fronts
15:19:49 <TheBlueWizard> am checking emails, etc. now
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15:22:21 * TheBlueWizard thinks he scares futhin off here :(
15:22:21 <Robert> Heh
15:22:21 <Robert> He's so easily scared
15:22:59 <TheBlueWizard> :)
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15:59:54 <TheBlueWizard> hiya XeF4_
16:02:56 <TheBlueWizard> gotta go...bye all
16:02:59 <Robert> Bye
16:03:11 <TheBlueWizard> bye Robert
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17:47:20 <fridge> colorforth editor is very, erm, different.
17:50:53 <Klaw> than what
17:50:58 <Klaw> easier than vi
17:52:57 <fridge> I can't figure it out
17:53:29 <fridge> I can type in a word, but as for changing colours and so one, I'm not sure how to
17:57:02 <fridge> ahh, had to hit e first
17:57:07 <fridge> I wasn't even in the editor =P
18:12:14 <Klaw> the icon editor is good for a cheap thrill
18:14:05 <fridge> the learning curve feels similar to that of blender
18:14:30 <fridge> which seems to be, its designed to be efficient once learnt, not easy to learn
18:17:42 <fridge> modify colorforth to use 12480
18:24:54 <TreyB> fridge: a long time ago I wrote a text-mode program that used as its interface a tree of numbered menus.  One of its features allowed the user to set the foreground and background colors of the text.
18:26:22 <TreyB> My boss called me in one day to show me a blank black screen.  It seems I failed to prevent the user from setting the foreground and background colors to the same value.
18:27:31 <TreyB> We used the <Esc> key to back out of a menu, so I hit it until the program quit, restarted it and then navigated the menus by memory until I set the colors to something he could use.
18:30:35 <TreyB> Like you said, efficient once learnt but offering no mercy to the novice.
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20:16:14 <fridge> how do you access the icon editor?
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22:00:27 <krish> hi guys!
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