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02:43:58 <Speuler> 'morning
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09:33:01 <I440r> anyone awake ??? :)
09:33:03 <I440r> besides robert :/
09:33:05 <I440r> lol
09:33:44 <TreyB> Yep.
09:34:38 <I440r> hi
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09:37:23 <serg> hey i440r !
09:37:28 <serg> hey all
09:38:32 <I440r> hi serg :)
09:38:51 <gilbertdeb> hullo
09:41:28 <Robert> Hi
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11:01:06 <Robert> mur!
11:01:08 <Robert> Terve
11:01:54 <gilbertdeb> Terve
11:02:01 <mur> terve!
11:02:17 * mur is back
11:02:30 <Robert> :)
11:02:46 * mur is back ( 10 days, 12 hours, 41 minutes, 3 seconds )
11:02:57 <mur> a long coffee break
11:03:37 <gilbertdeb> hehe
11:05:22 <Herkamire> mur: you must be hyper! 
11:05:31 <Herkamire> sounds like a lot of coffee
11:05:42 <gilbertdeb> or he is a slowwwwww sipper.
11:06:35 <Herkamire> heh :)
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11:40:03 <mur> okay okay! i admit! i dont drink coffee at all!
11:41:04 <gilbertdeb> tea?
11:41:41 <mur> no
11:42:01 <mur> no alcohol
11:42:17 <mur> either 
11:42:33 <mur> i need sleeeeep!
11:42:42 <mur> i think i will have to go to sleep to get some sleep
11:45:34 <mur> GRRR!
11:45:40 <mur> There is election in finland
11:45:58 <mur> i want to vote but all the candidates on my area are STUPID!
11:46:16 <mur> and undereducated (finns respect education highly, btw :)
11:46:40 <mur> Finding cadidate is difficult
11:47:07 <mur> although i know i'll vote for the green party, so the selection is less broader.
11:47:29 <Robert> mur, how's your Swedish? Can you read normal articles?
11:47:40 <mur> förstås
11:47:42 <Robert> Got one here by the former leader of the swedish green party
11:47:53 <mur> uhm ?
11:48:02 <Robert> http://www.etc.se/radikala/templates/template_117.asp?number=35596&category=41
11:48:03 <Robert> Short one.
11:48:11 <Robert> But still, something for all IRC geeks.
11:48:23 * mur does not know how to react to that, why shoudl i read it?
11:48:42 <Robert> Read it if you've got some time to spare :)
11:48:57 <Robert> Otherwise, ignore me and code some Forth
11:49:28 <mur> i cant code forth
11:50:03 <mur> finnish politics have some people who are very intelligent
11:50:14 <I440r> mur why not ?? :)
11:50:19 <mur> they are in politics year after year
11:50:23 <mur> which is good
11:51:08 <mur> but here, on my area, which is by the way the countrys far least educated, there aren't really good candidates
11:51:33 <mur> i coudlnt find even single one, not even out of my ideology scope
11:52:01 <Robert> :(
11:52:09 <mur> i'll move in autumn
11:52:13 <mur> i'll have to pick one
11:53:06 <mur> there are really funny people as cadidates
11:53:12 <mur> at this area
11:53:48 <mur> one party (right wing) "change powers finland" has two cadidates of some cult
11:54:16 <Robert> Heh.
11:54:33 <mur> the leading person looks just like lunatic from movies. his eyes look different directions
11:55:11 <mur> there there is one who has tried for some 20 years to get (he is not on any party, but on own selection list)
11:55:24 <mur> into politics. he never succeeds
11:56:26 <mur> the local politics is big mess. "representatives" in city parliament of lahti only fight with each other, postbone all the decisions and drink coffee. and this is all they do for real. 
11:59:54 <Robert> Haa
12:02:26 <mur> it is sad
12:02:34 <mur> i hate the damn city!
12:02:38 <mur> good to get out
12:03:25 <mur> will never come back (to do anythign else than visit relatives)
12:03:41 <mur> :(
12:03:45 <mur> :/
12:04:28 <mur> that is what you get if the people are undereducated (well, finnish standards of education are very high anyways)
12:11:59 <mur> Robert!
12:12:13 <mur> ska du rösta när du kan senare?
12:12:46 <gilbertdeb> terve mur, terve
12:13:13 <mur> gilbertdeb, that was swedish, but i wonder if Robert will understand, since it has 4 mistakes in it :)
12:13:38 * mur rephrases. Robert: tänker du rösta när det blir möjligt för dig?
12:13:59 <mur> gilbertdeb, do you want to learn finnish?
12:16:38 <gilbertdeb> sure
12:16:39 <gilbertdeb> Terve
12:17:12 <mur> what do you want to know?
12:17:16 <mur> pieru = farty
12:17:18 <mur> fart
12:17:49 <mur> vulgar 
12:17:53 <mur> tell me, gilbertdeb
12:18:12 <gilbertdeb> how do you tell the women "hola mamacita"?
12:18:34 <mur> how do you say it in english?
12:20:03 <gilbertdeb> "hello hot yxes mama"
12:20:59 <mur> yxes?
12:21:12 <mur> it is expression
12:21:21 <mur> i shoudl know it better to translate 
12:21:29 <mur> start with easier :)
12:25:10 <Robert> mur: Maybe I will.
12:27:20 <gilbertdeb> mur write it backwards.
12:27:36 <mur> ah
12:28:00 <mur> why backwards compability of string ?:)
12:31:27 <gilbertdeb> so how is it said in finnish?
12:31:33 * mur shoudl also know the social references to translate such sentence
12:32:30 <gilbertdeb> hmmm.
12:32:34 <mur> like when is it used, who uses, what type (neutral, macho, bablablaabl) it is and what kind of style, what does it bear in it
12:32:49 <gilbertdeb> to a young hot finnish nix chick.
12:33:01 <mur> nix = unix?
12:33:11 <gilbertdeb> sure
12:33:12 <mur> how young?
12:33:22 <gilbertdeb> hheehe. is finnish COBOL?
12:33:30 <mur> then you say 10001010101110101011
12:33:37 <mur> she'll understand
12:33:45 <mur> or just /ctcp chat <nick>
12:33:46 <mur> ;)
12:35:27 <mur> gilbertdeb, well you can say "terve"
12:35:28 <mur> :)
12:35:34 <gilbertdeb> I know that one well.
12:35:42 <mur> sure you know
12:36:07 <mur> you also can say moi, tervehdys, moikka, hei, heippa  or a lot of variants
12:36:44 <mur> suomi = finland
12:36:54 <mur> and finnish
12:37:03 <gilbertdeb> no just one.\
12:37:09 <gilbertdeb> I am not into synonyms yet.
12:37:27 <mur> puhun suomea = i speak finnish
12:37:36 <mur> en puhu suomea = i dont speak finnish
12:38:35 * mur is clueless
12:38:52 <mur> i dont know where to start
12:39:38 <gilbertdeb> okay.
12:42:07 <mur> restart process
12:42:22 * mur 's stomach muscless hurt very much :(
12:42:46 <mur> and hand and eyes are tired and anch
12:42:48 <mur> ache
12:42:52 <gilbertdeb> sleep then.
12:43:06 <mur> not because i haven't slept, the ache
12:43:19 <mur> uni = sleep
12:43:25 <mur> nukkua = to sleep
12:43:34 <mur> nukkumatti = sand man :)
12:43:47 <mur> jukka matti = my first names
12:44:28 <mur> hyvää yötä = good night
12:44:57 <mur> hyviä unia = "good sleeps" sleep well
12:45:17 <gilbertdeb> tough tough.
12:45:23 <mur> :)
12:45:46 <gilbertdeb> bah.
12:45:48 <mur> perhaps small dictionary which can be concatenated to make simple sentences
12:46:01 <gilbertdeb> I am hungry.
12:46:07 <gilbertdeb> hyvia food
12:46:15 <mur> hyvää ruokaa
12:46:21 <mur> = good food
12:46:24 <gilbertdeb> thats what I said.
12:46:27 <mur> :)
12:46:33 <mur> hyviä is plural
12:46:42 <gilbertdeb> hyvaa is singular?
12:46:44 <mur> hyvää is objective of adjetive
12:46:54 <gilbertdeb> right ...
12:46:56 <mur> hyvä is the basic form of adjective = good
12:47:08 <mur> hyvä ihminen = good human beign 
12:47:15 <gilbertdeb> hahahah.
12:47:18 <gilbertdeb> mother teresa?
12:47:30 <mur> hyvä, gilbertdeb!
12:47:36 <gilbertdeb> hyva mur
12:47:41 <mur> kiitos
12:47:43 <mur> that is thank you
12:47:43 <gilbertdeb> !!
12:47:46 <gilbertdeb> I guessed.
12:47:55 <gilbertdeb> what is 'fine'?
12:48:14 <mur> ole hyvä = be good = my pleasure, no problem
12:48:54 <gilbertdeb> what is 'i am fscking hungry'?
12:49:11 <mur> olen (insert curseword of choise) nälkäinen
12:49:32 <gilbertdeb> olen hyva nalkainen
12:49:40 <mur> hyvin this time :)
12:49:41 <gilbertdeb> olen hyva UND nalkainen
12:49:47 <mur> ja = and
12:49:54 <gilbertdeb> olen hyva ja nalkainen
12:50:03 <mur> syö ruokaa
12:50:16 <gilbertdeb> eat food?
12:50:19 <gilbertdeb> get food?
12:50:19 <mur> yes
12:50:22 <mur> eat
12:50:24 <mur> kyllä
12:50:26 <gilbertdeb> alright...
12:50:33 <gilbertdeb> I am off to syo ruokaa
12:50:46 <mur> syö hyvin!
12:50:48 <mur> :)
12:50:54 <gilbertdeb> kiitos
12:51:46 * gilbertdeb is away: "oken syo ruokaa"
12:51:54 * gilbertdeb is away: "olen syo ruokaa"
12:52:38 <mur> olen syömässä ruokaa / syön ruokaa
12:52:58 <mur> syön = i eat, olen syömässä =  i am eating 
12:53:20 <mur> :
12:53:22 <mur> :)
12:53:34 * mur syö myös
13:14:23 * mur ei syö
13:14:29 * mur menee nukkumaan
13:14:33 <mur> hyvää yötä!
13:15:36 <mur> moi moi!
13:15:42 <mur> nähdään huomenna
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13:57:30 <Herkamire> screen is cool :)
14:08:45 <Robert> It is
14:09:08 <Robert> Makes me able to IRC from school more easily ;)
14:12:12 <Herkamire> I've just set mozilla building on my home computer from here (work). now I don't have to worry about it getting killed when I shut off my computer here. and when I get home I can see the output if  there are any problems, or usefull messages at the end.
14:12:32 <Robert> Yeah
14:12:36 <Robert> :)
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15:33:15 <gilbertpix> hey I am in here twice!
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15:56:10 <gilbertdeb> .
15:57:18 <Speuler> 'morning
15:57:31 <gilbertdeb> evenink.
15:57:34 <gilbertdeb> terve
15:58:16 <Speuler> sound like pietr
15:58:22 <Speuler> from userfriendly
15:59:03 <gilbertdeb> ah the dyslexic programmer?
15:59:39 <Speuler> stoppink, you zlotniks. are to be usink suse or pitr do evil things to you 
16:00:07 <Speuler> da is true. gettink rid of last nt server
16:00:29 <Speuler> linux server havink less than one percoent downtime of nt servers
16:01:11 <Speuler> my mother not mind to die for stoppink windows nt. she is rememberink stalin
16:01:54 <Speuler> DA! you are no touchink computer! i will hurtink you!
16:02:26 <Speuler> evenink
16:02:38 <gilbertdeb> the latest one is pretty funny.
16:03:13 * Speuler must lookink right now
16:06:11 <Speuler> :)
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16:48:10 <joonas> evening all
16:48:43 <gilbertdeb> terve
16:49:09 <joonas> terve.  söitkö hyvin?
16:49:57 <gilbertdeb> hyvaa 
16:50:15 <joonas> mitä söit?
16:50:44 <joonas> (mitä = what)
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17:38:41 <I440r> hi mrreach :)
17:39:02 <MrReach> hihi
17:39:28 <MrReach> I think you're kinda missing the point with catch/throw
17:39:57 <MrReach> the idea is to catch the error, if it's one you know about then handle it, otherwise rethrow it up the chain
17:40:25 <MrReach> if NOTHING knows how to handle the error, it will eventually end up back in the QUIT loop
17:41:04 <I440r> erm you lost me
17:46:25 <Speuler> hi.
17:46:32 <Speuler> anyone into electronics ?
17:46:59 <I440r> my father is :)
17:47:14 <Speuler> he might like this one:   http://www.seattlerobotics.org/encoder/apr98/breadbrd.html
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17:57:29 <Speuler> I440r: you might actually like this one:  http://www.purple.com
17:57:48 <I440r> heh
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18:02:43 <MrReach> wb
18:15:50 <Herkamire> Speuler: that Tortilla-Board page is great :)
18:20:57 <Speuler> glad you like it. i'm just using bashforth to try to hack the purple site :)
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19:22:36 <Herkamire> purple.com is pretty funny. well, the FAQ anyway :)
19:26:41 <Speuler> http://www.promote.com
19:28:12 <gilbertdeb> there is nothing on promote.
19:28:17 <Speuler> right
19:28:28 <gilbertdeb> they are copies of about:blank
19:28:31 <gilbertdeb> aren't they?
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19:29:03 <gilbertdeb> herkamire do you own purple?
19:29:03 <Speuler> just a single line feed
19:29:23 <gilbertdeb> whats new in forth?
19:30:26 <Herkamire> gilbertdeb: no. The badges you can put on your site are funny though
19:30:49 <Herkamire> I implemented for/next in my forth
19:31:07 <Herkamire> hmmm :) now I need unloop :)
19:31:43 * Speuler dislikes unloop
19:31:58 <Herkamire> Speuler: me too, but the alternative is to make it so I can nest loops
19:32:45 <Herkamire> or I could make a word that could be used in place of "unloop exit"
19:33:18 <Herkamire> we'll see. I'm not going to write either untill such time as I want to use them.
19:33:36 <Herkamire> oh, and my unit tests now tell you what they're testing
19:33:40 <Speuler> i tend to use leave, and deal with exit behind the loop
19:34:02 <Herkamire> ahh
19:34:39 <Speuler> just a sentimental matter though
19:35:19 <Herkamire> I need to decide what to do next
19:36:16 <Herkamire> I need an editor, and I want to finish bootstraping (writing all the kernel functionality in forth)
19:36:35 <Herkamire> I need to write: interpret ; flush
19:38:12 <Herkamire> I don't know what to do about the editor. I don't really want to write it under linux, but I don't know if I can write it once I've booted (without having an editor) so....
19:38:17 <Herkamire> maybe it's a problem of motivation :)
19:38:37 <Speuler> you got blocks ?
19:38:41 <Herkamire> no
19:38:52 <Speuler> ascii files ?
19:39:19 <Herkamire> binary file
19:39:35 <Herkamire> 3 sections: dictionary data source
19:39:55 <Herkamire> dictionary has text for words (8 bytes each)
19:40:05 <Herkamire> data is preinitialized data (whatever)
19:40:33 <Herkamire> source is 16 bit tokens. low 4 bits are color (which determines what the high 12 bits mean)
19:41:01 <Herkamire> for define execute and compile colors the 12 bits are an offset into the dictionary
19:41:39 <Herkamire> for data colors the 12 bits are an offset into the data section
19:42:08 <Herkamire> and I have 2 colors for 12 bit literals (compile and execute)
19:43:59 <Herkamire> the interpreter for that is really simple, but I still need a text interpreter and/or editor to make it interactive
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