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05:40:47 <TheBlueWizard> hiya all
05:50:07 <Robert> Hi TheBlueWizard :)
05:51:24 <TheBlueWizard> hiya Robert
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06:06:09 <TheBlueWizard> hiya Kitanin
06:07:39 <Robert> : greet ( name -- )  ." hiya" count type ;
06:07:44 <TheBlueWizard> gotta go...bye all
06:07:52 <TheBlueWizard> :)
06:08:04 <Robert> Byebye :)
06:09:35 <TheBlueWizard> : $. ( str -- ) count type ;  : bye ( name -- ) ." bye" $. ;
06:09:46 <Robert> :D
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07:17:16 <Speuler> hoi
07:40:54 <onetom> hi
08:03:14 * Speuler watches star trek
08:55:23 <Robert> :)
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11:20:14 <Robert> Hi kc5tja :)
11:20:20 <kc5tja> re
11:20:29 <kc5tja> Been hacking a little bit on FS/Forth on my laptop.
11:20:37 <kc5tja> It accepted its first line of user input today at 10:38AM.
11:21:20 <kc5tja> Still don't have the interpretter written, but that'll be forthcoming.
11:22:44 <Robert> Heh. :)
11:22:54 * Robert is working on a Forth for his AVR board.
11:33:56 <kc5tja> As soon as my DOS Forth is done, I'll use it to write the 32-bit native version, and then I can discard the DOS version as a mere "boot-strap" tool.  
11:34:34 * kc5tja would also like a version for Linux as well, until I get a TCP/IP/SLIP stack running on the laptop, that won't happen.  :)
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12:21:19 <kc5tja> Well, D&D game starting.  Gotta go.
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12:39:45 <mur> HANDS UP! THIS IS ROBERY!
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14:00:00 <TheBlueWizard> hiya all
14:02:01 <Robert> s" hiya. TBW" count type
14:02:45 <TheBlueWizard> hiya Robert 
14:08:56 <mur> terve TheBlueWizard
14:09:21 <mur> hllo TehBluhwizrad
14:09:23 <mur> :)
14:10:33 <Robert> mur is drunk.
14:11:01 * mur is absolutist
14:12:48 <TheBlueWizard> terve mur! :)
14:13:28 <TheBlueWizard> lol...you aren't drunk...um...what do you mean by "absolutist"?
14:14:19 <mur> that i dont drink alcohol, smoke or use drugs
14:14:33 <mur> mainly absolutist means that one doestn drink alcohol at all
14:14:35 <mur> :)
14:15:28 <TheBlueWizard> ah
14:20:10 <TheBlueWizard> I think you meant to say you are a teetotaler.  An absolutist means a despot, or holds some form of absolute notions (look up absolutism at www.m-w.com)
14:20:35 <TheBlueWizard> but teetotalism refers to abstaining from alcoholic consumption
14:21:01 <TheBlueWizard> and says nothing about smoking or taking drugs
14:23:24 <mur> duh "straight edge" is outdated word
14:23:32 <mur> i have not yet stopped using leather
14:23:37 <mur> and meat
14:23:50 <mur> i'll become vegan, though
14:23:56 <mur> most likely
14:24:01 <mur> or at least vegetarian
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14:29:01 <Robert> I'm an absolutist, and I don't smoke tobacco.
14:31:12 * TheBlueWizard doesn't drink much alcohol at all (maybe one or two glass a year), doesn't smoke (he is a radical anti-smoking...he wants to see all tobacco eliminated from the planet!), and doesn't do drugs....but he likes to eat meat....he's a CARN-EEE-VOOORE ;)
14:31:37 <Robert> Hehe
14:31:49 <Robert> Tobacco should be eliminated, yes.
14:32:15 <Robert> Certain other plants... well, maybe they should become a little less strict about.
14:32:53 <TheBlueWizard> Yay!  I finally found a kindred soul in tobacco elimination!
14:33:09 <mur> tobacco is environmental nightmare
14:33:16 <mur> well not tobacco
14:33:28 <TheBlueWizard> Heh....like marijuana, eh?  USA is a bit loopy regarding the laws against marijuana
14:33:31 <mur> tobacco plantation social causes
14:34:34 <Robert> TheBlueWizard: "Loopy", what does that mean?
14:34:55 <Robert> Heh. Both my parents recently started smoking again, after a break of...10 years.
14:34:59 <Robert> That sucks.
14:35:16 <TheBlueWizard> nutty, crazy, whatever
14:36:16 <Robert> Oh, OK.
14:36:28 <mur> america is twofaced culture
14:36:31 <Robert> The laws in general seem a little bit fucked up over there.
14:36:46 <Robert> But, in Sweden they're very strict on all drugs.
14:37:32 <TheBlueWizard> Robert - where do you live?  I know mur lives in Finland (Finn calls their country Suomi), and I live in USA
14:37:44 <TheBlueWizard> Sweden...ah
14:37:46 <Robert> :)
14:37:51 <Robert> Ruotsi.
14:37:58 <Robert> Sverige.
14:38:00 <Robert> Zweden.
14:38:02 <Robert> etc. :)
14:38:45 <TheBlueWizard> heh :)
14:39:30 <mur> dutch people's langauge is like teenagers Koolz langz!
14:39:44 <mur> Ik Been Ein NEEDERLAAANNDEEER!
14:39:48 <mur> ;)
14:39:52 <Robert> een
14:39:57 <Robert> Niet 'ein' ;)
14:40:05 <Robert> Dat is duits.
14:40:09 <mur> :)
14:40:24 <Robert> (Yay, I know 10 words of Dutch!)
14:40:30 <mur> Robert, puhu suomea!
14:41:12 <TheBlueWizard> LOL....though I never have "heard" out the Dutch accent
14:41:25 <TheBlueWizard> heh
14:41:56 <Robert> I haven't heard any Dutch either. 
14:42:02 <Robert> It's an IRC language.
14:42:09 <Robert> Other countries only exist in my fantasy.
14:42:13 * TheBlueWizard voi lue suomea (he can read a bit of Finnish)
14:43:12 * Robert .... can not. :)
14:46:32 * TheBlueWizard decides to create a new countru called Forthia and plants it inside Robert's head :)
14:46:45 <TheBlueWizard> s/countru/country/
14:46:54 <Robert> As if it already wasn't there!
14:48:32 <TheBlueWizard> cuz you said "other countries only exist in my fantasy"...so by logic, Forthia has to go there :)))
14:51:03 <Robert> Ah, heh :) It's a land of magic, that's for sure.
14:51:10 <Robert> Hrm.
14:51:14 * mur places monsters to Robert's head at imaginary finland
14:51:25 <Robert> Should write a simulator for this thing.
14:51:28 <Robert> mur: !'
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15:05:37 <mur> what?
15:08:09 <TheBlueWizard> hiya Kitanin 
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15:08:25 <mur> mitä kuuluu, TheBlueWizard?
15:09:04 <TheBlueWizard> "what did I hear?", right?
15:10:07 <mur> yes if you are listening to something
15:10:10 <mur> but often how are you
15:10:16 <mur> where you cant reply with the question :)
15:10:34 <mur> finnish questions are concretical :)
15:10:46 <TheBlueWizard> I am currently talking with my buddy on another channel
15:11:08 <TheBlueWizard> "concretical"?  what do you mean?
15:11:46 <mur> you answer to question 
15:12:02 <mur> you cant answer with question
15:14:47 <TheBlueWizard> hmm...what if I say "Eh?" as if I am completely lost ;)
15:15:10 <mur> äh, in finnish :)
15:15:38 <TheBlueWizard> lol
15:15:58 <mur> tai höh
15:16:09 <mur> yllättynyt ilmaus
15:16:20 <mur> tai sitten öööö...
15:16:31 <TheBlueWizard> translation?
15:16:34 <mur> tai häh , ihmettelevä ilmaus
15:16:46 <mur> or höh, surprised expression
15:16:52 <mur> or then öööö..
15:16:55 <mur> :)
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15:25:33 <mur> interesting: "Persons or organizations sending unsolicited commercial email sent to this domain may be charged a $500 processing fee."
15:28:35 <Robert> :D
15:30:46 <mur> i'll add that to my signature too! :D
15:46:35 <ianni> haha
15:46:39 <ianni> nice
15:57:04 * TheBlueWizard returns with English-Finnish dictionary, and decodes mur's remarks :)
15:57:44 <Robert> Hehe.
15:58:03 <Robert> I should return to my home. (Read: bed)
15:59:11 <TheBlueWizard> ok...hyva:a: yo:ta:a: (a: and o: should have the : put atop those letters)...means: "good night!"
15:59:17 <mur> hehe
15:59:22 <mur> hyvää yötä!
15:59:34 <mur> where are you Robert?
15:59:47 * mur murr sanoo karhu!
15:59:48 <Robert> In my chair, 50 centimeters from Home. :)
15:59:56 <mur> i have long distance
15:59:57 <TheBlueWizard> heh...one letter is missing ;)
16:00:04 <mur> 2,5 metres
16:00:09 <Robert> Hyvää päivää
16:00:10 <mur> i might need train
16:00:14 <Robert> :)
16:00:31 <mur> what do you think TheBlueWizard?
16:00:31 <mur> :)
16:01:40 <TheBlueWizard> what do I think about???
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16:01:50 <Robert> Hi Speuler 
16:02:12 <mur> terve Speuler
16:02:19 * TheBlueWizard is trying to figure out what "sanoo" means with respect to "sanoo karhu"...."say bear"?
16:02:25 <TheBlueWizard> hiya Speuler 
16:02:31 <mur> that do i need to take a train to get to home to 2,5 metres from here;)
16:02:36 <mur> snoa
16:02:42 <mur> is saying
16:02:49 <Robert> Mur, sanoo karhy!
16:02:49 <mur> karhut sanovat murr murr
16:02:56 <Robert> karhu
16:03:06 <mur> karhu murisee
16:03:18 <TheBlueWizard> karhu == bear, can withstand...right?
16:03:59 <mur> no
16:04:00 * TheBlueWizard can't decipher "murisee"
16:04:05 <mur> is groarring
16:04:06 <mur> :)
16:04:11 <mur> murr murr => murista
16:04:36 <mur> piip piip (beep beep) => piipittää
16:05:54 <TheBlueWizard> interesting...the dictionary translates piipitta:a: as "cheep" :)
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16:06:07 <Robert> You're funny, mur. :)
16:07:16 <mur> hehe
16:07:19 <mur> halpa = cheap
16:07:20 <mur> oh
16:07:24 <mur> cheep not cheap
16:07:25 <mur> :)
16:07:53 <mur> it can be bird voice or machine beep
16:07:58 <TheBlueWizard> right...cheep != cheap....the sound a little yellow chick might make
16:08:12 <mur> but also what alarm clock might do
16:08:19 <TheBlueWizard> chirp
16:08:25 <mur> onomatopoeia is rich in finnish
16:09:21 <TheBlueWizard> boop beep blib, etc...I see...I am sure English has a lot of onomatopoeia as well
16:11:04 <mur> örr, murr, hörr and pörr have all own verbs :)
16:11:21 * TheBlueWizard is now looking up
16:11:37 <mur> örr is what drunken male says ;)
16:11:43 <mur> murr is grr
16:12:01 <mur> and mehiläinen pörisee
16:13:54 <TheBlueWizard> no entry for po:rr, ho:rr, o:rr, or murr
16:15:17 <mur> that is no wonder
16:15:21 <TheBlueWizard> mehila:inen == bee, ok...but no entry for po:risee....and the dictionary is fairly big
16:15:27 <mur> :)
16:15:47 <mur> pörr pörr => pöristä
16:15:57 <mur> pörrrr
16:16:18 * TheBlueWizard is using Hippocrene Concise Dictionary Finnish-English/English-Finnish Dictionary
16:16:27 <TheBlueWizard> :)
16:16:32 <mur> i dont know that
16:17:07 <TheBlueWizard> Finnish doesn't like double consonants at the end of words
16:17:09 <mur> i have 30 cm of english-finnish-english so dictionaries in shelf :)
16:17:25 <mur> finnish doenst like double consonants at all
16:17:25 <mur> :)
16:17:46 <mur> if they are importend
16:17:47 <TheBlueWizard> hehe...I have two Teach Yourself Finnish (old and new), and I think I have two dictionaries as well
16:18:05 <mur> was the teacher good? :)
16:18:14 <TheBlueWizard> at the end, yeah...but it loves having them everywhere in the middle :)
16:18:22 <mur> did you cheated in test when the teacher wasnot looking? ;)
16:19:38 <TheBlueWizard> the old Teach Yourself Finnish is so heavy on rules and minutae of Finnish, with lots and lots of vocabulary strewn about...good for a linguist, but terrible for a beginner
16:19:46 * TheBlueWizard laughs
16:20:37 <TheBlueWizard> "Teach Yourself" is (supposedly) designed for self-studying (at home, say)...no teacher involved
16:21:43 <TheBlueWizard> the new Teach Yourself Finnish is much easier to go through, is very conversation oriented, explains bits and pieces of Finnish culture along the way
16:22:37 <mur> yes i nkow thta there is no teacher
16:22:37 <mur> :)
16:22:54 <TheBlueWizard> the old one apparently is literary based (e.g. learning to read Finnish novels...steamy ones, maybe?  *a bad pun, I know* :)
16:23:07 <mur> uh
16:23:16 <mur> reading finnish novels
16:23:17 <mur> ugh
16:23:21 <mur> not even finns read them :P
16:23:26 <mur> .. often..
16:23:27 <TheBlueWizard> that bad?
16:23:40 <mur> well
16:23:45 <mur> were the samples interesting?
16:25:07 <TheBlueWizard> there are no Finnish literature in my area (I suppose Finnish Embassy may have some, but I don't want to go to some embassy lest I cause an international crisis lol :)
16:25:23 <Robert> Haha.
16:25:24 * mur ought to go sleep -- it's so late
16:25:33 <mur> TheBlueWizard, call embassy
16:25:36 <TheBlueWizard> ok...sleep well then!
16:25:46 <mur> embassies are happy to send material
16:25:48 <TheBlueWizard> hehe....can't really call either
16:25:52 <mur> why?
16:26:09 <mur> ask for in finnish brochures 
16:26:14 <mur> something to read
16:26:15 <TheBlueWizard> cuz I'm deaf (well, I can call, but don't like to call)
16:26:15 <mur> :)
16:26:22 <mur> ah
16:26:23 <TheBlueWizard> lol :)
16:26:24 <mur> send email
16:26:32 <mur> that woudl work too
16:26:34 <TheBlueWizard> email......hmm......
16:26:54 <mur> it'll certainly help
16:27:06 * mur doesnt like phoning either
16:27:09 <mur> even he can hear
16:27:24 <mur> i haven't phoned for years
16:27:29 <mur> i have had to answer though
16:27:30 <TheBlueWizard> correction: even though he can hear
16:27:48 * mur jatkaa suomeksi ;)
16:29:09 <TheBlueWizard> "continue in Finnish"? hmm...
16:29:50 * mur will continue [talking] in finnish
16:30:37 <TheBlueWizard> hehe....ok
16:32:08 * mur :ia väsyttää
16:32:17 <mur> kello on jo puoli neljä aamulla
16:32:41 <TheBlueWizard> hyvaa ka:yta:nto:ma: suomea
16:33:59 <TheBlueWizard> "ia"?
16:34:15 <mur> käytäntömä?
16:34:41 <mur> käytäntö + ?
16:34:48 <mur> käyttää + ?
16:34:51 <TheBlueWizard> I was trying to say "good to practice (some) Finnish"
16:35:22 <mur> harjoitella = practise
16:35:33 <TheBlueWizard> I know I gotta botch it hehe
16:35:45 <mur> botch?
16:36:00 <TheBlueWizard> um...then what is ka:yto:nta:?
16:36:15 <TheBlueWizard> botch...means to make a mess of
16:36:30 <mur> käytöntä is nothing
16:36:36 <mur> käyttö = usage
16:36:49 <mur> käytäntö = a custom, protocol 
16:37:00 <mur> käyttämätön = unused
16:37:00 <TheBlueWizard> hmm!!!!   my dictionary shows that word...oh well!
16:37:07 <mur> :)
16:38:10 <TheBlueWizard> hmm...."practice" can have many meaning...and my dictionary shows a list of different Finnish words for it hehe :-P
16:38:19 <mur> i have one finnish grammar / vocabulary page
16:38:25 <mur> but i shut down the browser already
16:38:41 <mur> i could send you it tomorrow if you send me email tellimg me to send it :)
16:38:51 <TheBlueWizard> ok...try #2: hyva:a: harjoitellama suomea
16:39:21 <mur> hehe
16:39:27 <mur> hyvä harjoitella suomea
16:39:33 <TheBlueWizard> TheBlueWizard at pressroom dot com
16:39:48 <mur> uhm i dont have email client open either :/
16:39:56 <mur> :)
16:40:04 <mur> i have shut down all but irc
16:40:04 <Robert> TheBlueWizard: Spam paranoia, eh?
16:40:15 <TheBlueWizard> hmm...I thought I have to put an infinitive ending for "harjoitella"
16:40:18 <mur> robert ostling at zweeden dot se
16:40:18 <TheBlueWizard> hehe
16:40:32 <mur> where do you get that ma ending?
16:40:38 <Robert> Nee.. ik heb geen mailserver. :)
16:40:39 <TheBlueWizard> Robert: kinda yeah...I still get spam...damn annoying
16:41:05 <Robert> I don't get much spam to my real address.
16:41:39 <Robert> Spam is annoying, since it's aimed at the dumbest 1% of the population, but the rest of us suffer from it, too.
16:42:03 <TheBlueWizard> my Teach Yourself Finnish says there are four infinitive endings...one of them is a -ma/-ma: ending...since "to {verb}" is an infinitive, so I translated it thus
16:42:20 <mur> hmm
16:42:27 * TheBlueWizard gets about 50 junk emails weekly
16:42:29 <mur> i guess it is when it is made noun
16:42:35 * mur gets none really
16:42:48 <TheBlueWizard> lemme grab my TYF book
16:43:28 <mur> purra = bite
16:43:33 * TheBlueWizard blames spamming on his old Usenet postins....spammers do gather email addresses from Usenet, among other things
16:43:44 <mur> purema = the place where you have been bited
16:44:24 <TheBlueWizard> s/bited/bitten/
16:44:29 <mur> hmm
16:44:35 <mur> ehkä :)
16:45:03 <mur> now i must go bed
16:45:07 <mur> i feel like puking
16:45:11 <mur> :(
16:45:18 <mur> i'm far too tired
16:45:25 <mur> next weekend i cant even come to irc :(
16:45:27 <TheBlueWizard> go to bed then! :)
16:45:33 <mur> send me email
16:45:34 <TheBlueWizard> no? why?
16:45:39 <mur> well
16:45:46 <mur> that'll remain little secret ;)
16:45:49 * TheBlueWizard is on Linux and will email later
16:46:02 <TheBlueWizard> hehe
16:46:15 <mur> but it'll be last such weekend
16:46:19 <mur> then it's about over
16:46:55 <TheBlueWizard> aww...we will sorely miss you then!
16:47:06 * mur finds documents "for german and finnish eyes only" interesting but they are too dangerous for me
16:47:15 <TheBlueWizard> infinitive I: -ta/-ta:
16:47:19 <mur> i cant keep my mouth shut :)
16:47:53 <mur> good it was so blurred i coudlnt read it
16:48:33 <TheBlueWizard> infinitive II: -te' (complicated by several extra rules :-P)
16:49:02 <mur> :)
16:49:06 <TheBlueWizard> infinitive III: -ma/-ma:
16:49:36 <mur> do youhave web browser?
16:49:41 <mur> graphical
16:50:12 <TheBlueWizard> infinitive IV: -mise- (-minen in nominative)
16:50:42 <mur> TheBlueWizard, !
16:50:54 <TheBlueWizard> not on my Linux laptop (which I am currently on)...it is console based....but I have Win95 with IE so I can view whatever when I switch to it
16:51:10 <mur> why not opera? :)
16:51:17 <mur> anyways
16:51:24 <TheBlueWizard> you sound surprised...the four infinitives were taken from my old TYF book
16:51:25 <mur> you can read finnish comics if you want
16:51:43 <TheBlueWizard> comics? cool!!!!  where?
16:51:54 <mur> hmm..
16:52:09 * TheBlueWizard is a fan of Kevin and Kell comics and Ozy and Millie comics
16:52:14 <mur> www.helsinginsanomat.fi shoudl have a picture that has a pig and girl on it (banner)
16:52:28 <mur> hmm
16:52:33 <mur> ash
16:52:43 <mur> i need to fire up light browser 
16:52:51 <mur> (not heavier which has the url)
16:52:58 <TheBlueWizard> heh
16:53:54 <mur> http://www.helsinginsanomat.fi/tanaan/viivijawagner/viivijawagner.asp
16:53:59 <mur> yes
16:54:06 <mur> there is a picture of pig and girl
16:54:10 <mur> click it and you get to that url
16:54:28 <mur> then you can press "edellinen" to get previous day cartoon
16:55:16 <TheBlueWizard> kiitos!!!
16:55:22 <mur> 27.2 is funny!
16:55:23 <mur> :)
16:55:55 <mur> (2 clicks)
16:56:01 <TheBlueWizard> I will look at it in due time...right now I'm downloading stuff (my friend has left the chat room for the day :)
16:56:08 <mur> pubiin = to pub 
16:56:42 <TheBlueWizard> I see
16:57:54 <mur> to make it easier to understand
16:58:12 <mur> i doubt you had found it from dictionary :)
16:59:21 <TheBlueWizard> not likely, especially with recent loanwords :)
16:59:41 <TheBlueWizard> my dictionary is copyrighted 1990
17:00:17 <mur> it's not that new
17:00:19 <mur> anyways
17:00:35 <mur> www.ess.fi has red banner that says "viivi ja wagner" it has the same comics too
17:00:44 <TheBlueWizard> hmm
17:00:52 <mur> probaby different strips
17:01:07 <TheBlueWizard> of course :)
17:01:51 <mur> 3 am
17:01:54 <mur> sleep
17:01:58 <TheBlueWizard> um...does "viivi" mean anything, or is it just a name?
17:02:04 <mur> name
17:02:06 <mur> like wagner
17:02:08 <TheBlueWizard> kiitos
17:02:14 * TheBlueWizard nods
17:02:19 <TheBlueWizard> good nite then
17:02:24 <mur> remember to send email
17:02:29 <mur> :)
17:02:32 <TheBlueWizard> I will :)
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17:13:49 <TheBlueWizard> gotta go...bye all!
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22:51:50 <Robert> Good morning.
22:52:46 <kc5tja> One more hour 'til morning here.
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23:08:06 <kc5tja> Sorry, I got disconnected.
23:08:49 <kc5tja> Anyway, before I got disconnected, the last thing I saw from Robert was "Good morning!"  :)
23:08:59 <kc5tja> I am currently working on my Forth's parser.
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