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09:02:40 <Speuler> 'morning
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09:03:18 <rafe> 'afternoon
09:05:39 <tathi> hi Speuler
09:06:52 <Speuler> i've put my old metacompiler on forthfreak.net
09:07:10 <Speuler> the way it is it compiles 8086, msdos
09:07:30 * Robert checks it
09:07:41 * rafe is having a looksee
09:07:50 <Speuler> Robert: meta
09:08:21 <Robert> Hm?
09:08:24 <Speuler> Robert: don't get scared by the multitude of files
09:08:34 <Robert> Argh!
09:08:37 <Robert> Opera crashed.
09:08:43 <Robert> And it's YOUR fault
09:08:46 <Speuler> for most part, the are optional, and extensions
09:08:57 <Speuler> eh ?
09:09:17 <Robert> Hehe, nevermind.
09:09:23 <Speuler> waddidido ?
09:10:50 <Speuler> the metcompiler+kernel itself is metastic.ms'
09:11:48 <Robert> Lots of code :)
09:12:08 <Speuler> i just copied the while dir structure
09:12:18 <Speuler> inclusive all experiments and extensions
09:12:57 <Speuler> there are some, i think, nice ideas among
09:13:26 <Speuler> be aware that, to assemble code:  words, a86 assembler is required
09:13:48 <Speuler> code: writes asm source to temp file, calls a86, pastes object into the code word
09:14:06 <Speuler> was too lazy to implement an assembler
09:14:23 <Speuler> (was running on several cpus...)
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10:22:12 <Speuler> Robert: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/jo-04.02.03-000/
10:23:08 <Speuler> "attacker can spy out arbitrary files on machine running opera"
10:23:40 <Speuler> javascript problem
10:23:56 <Robert> No good :)
10:23:57 * Robert checks
10:24:38 <Robert> I run opera 6.11 for Linux :P
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10:32:34 <Robert> Hey gilbert
10:32:55 <gilbertbsd> hi Robert
10:32:57 <gilbertbsd> how are you?
10:33:20 * Robert is reading about Haskell
10:33:31 <I440r> opera pisses me off. i like the way netscape remembers passwords for various sites etc and opera cant fscking do that. plus thers no mail/news reader for the linux version of opera
10:33:48 <I440r> and the windows opera mail/news client is the most fucked in the head mail/news reader there is
10:33:51 <gilbertbsd> do you like it so far Robert?
10:33:52 <I440r> total crap
10:34:14 <gilbertbsd> write a browser in isForth man!
10:34:15 <gilbertbsd> ;)
10:34:35 <Robert> gilbertbsd: Yeah.
10:37:04 <gilbertbsd> Robert have  you tried lisp too?
10:40:22 <I440r> i want to
11:00:17 <Robert> Nope.
11:00:57 <gilbertbsd> and scheme?
11:01:13 <tathi> ugh :)
11:01:46 <Robert> Nope. Aren't they kind of the same?
11:02:05 <gilbertbsd> this should get you started: http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/recursive.html
11:02:18 <gilbertbsd> its only 6 pages long.
11:02:31 <gilbertbsd> and you can implement the whole thing in forth in no time.
11:02:48 <gilbertbsd> just remember that a list is an array with two elements :)
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12:07:23 <MrReach> hihi
12:09:26 <Robert>  Hey!
12:09:35 <MrReach> how goes?
12:09:55 <Robert> Fine, and over there?
12:10:09 <MrReach> pretty good, kinda bored
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12:10:18 * Robert is checking out Haskell.
12:10:54 <gilbertbsd> is haskell checking you out yet Robert?
12:11:19 <Robert> I'll make it obey me!
12:13:36 <gilbertbsd> brb
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12:23:11 * Kitanin has a moment of revelation.
12:25:03 <MrReach> oh? what epiphany did you have?
12:27:19 <Kitanin> I blanked on the way the FORTH parser worked.  Spent two hours trying to come up with a good name for "one hundred percent", then suddenly went "Duh.  100%"
12:27:53 <MrReach> heh
12:28:13 <MrReach> yep, most languages use non-alphanumeric characters specially
12:28:51 <Kitanin> I've been researching possible scripting languages, so that I can hand them a big report before I use FORTH as the scripting language <whistles innocently> and all the other languages would choke and die on that.  :-)
12:29:07 <MrReach> what type of project?
12:29:14 <Robert> Heh.
12:29:35 <I440r> mrreach :)
12:29:46 <MrReach> hello, I440r
12:29:52 <Kitanin> Teller software for Credit Unions.  I don't trust my FORTH enough to do the entire thing in FORTH (yet).
12:30:12 <MrReach> Windows platform?
12:30:21 <Kitanin> DEAR GOD, NO!
12:30:45 * MrReach grins
12:30:51 <I440r> Kitanin: your writing that ?
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12:30:53 <MrReach> which then?
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12:31:19 * MrReach grins
12:31:24 <MrReach> which platform, then?
12:31:25 <Kitanin> I'm leaning towards OpenBSD.
12:31:32 <MrReach> ok
12:31:56 <MrReach> that would pretty much dictate gforth, then
12:32:16 <MrReach> XWin??
12:32:21 <Kitanin> Yes.
12:32:59 <MrReach> how many terminals?
12:33:56 <MrReach> actually, Windows might be a more viable platform for such an application
12:33:56 <Kitanin> Three to thirty.
12:34:45 <MrReach> not as stable, but much more comfortable decision for the managers
12:35:04 <MrReach> servers, of course, are better on some type of *nix
12:35:45 <Kitanin> Well, the _server_ will be OpenBSD.  The clients can be Windows, if that's what they think they really want.
12:36:12 <MrReach> are yoiu responsible for the server, also??
12:36:29 <Kitanin> I am responsible for all of it.  :-)
12:37:02 <Kitanin> However, I have almost no authority over most of it.
12:37:26 * MrReach nods.
12:38:15 <gNoam> BBL... bye 
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12:38:52 <Kitanin> Hence my willingness to use X for the interface.  "Okay, go ahead.  Run whatever you want on the clients."
12:43:39 <Kitanin> Actually, on that note...  Anyone have the X protocol implemented in FORTH kicking around?  :-)
12:43:48 <tathi> heh
12:44:16 <MrReach> hej, hardly
12:44:46 * Kitanin writes "Implement X in FORTH" on his to-do list.
12:45:10 <Robert> :)
12:48:14 <I440r> Kitanin:  eventually - not yet but eventually :)
12:53:30 <MrReach> heh, sorry, was on phone
12:53:42 <MrReach> whenever people have linux probs, they call me
12:54:16 <MrReach> Kitanin: if you're using gforth, you can use xlib for interface
12:54:56 <Kitanin> I've never been able to find any documentation on doing so.  :-(
12:55:14 <MrReach> for which part?
12:55:20 <MrReach> docs on xlib?
12:55:32 <MrReach> or docs on using libs from gforth?
12:55:49 <Kitanin> Docs on using other libs from gforth.
12:56:01 <MrReach> that section is blank ...
12:56:23 <Kitanin> Yah.
12:56:33 <MrReach> the source is in lib.fth, I think ... it's not TOO obfuscated
12:56:56 <MrReach> I got it to working, once, by reading source
12:57:26 <MrReach> although it, too, could certainly use more usage comments
12:59:26 * Kitanin swears at emacs again.
12:59:54 <MrReach> might wanna try joe
13:00:54 <Kitanin> I'm okay with emacs, with the sole exception of the forth.el file I've got for marking up code.
13:01:09 <MrReach> or midnight commander ... mc -e <filename>
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13:05:10 * Kitanin writes "Write a gforth.el that doesn't molest my colour settings" on his to-do list, in bigger letters than the "X" entry.
13:07:37 * Robert pets all editors other than emacs.
13:09:02 <Fractal> Hey, who's got a TI83+ graphing calculator? Anyone wanna beta test a Z80 directly threaded forth for it?
13:09:10 <Fractal> www.hcsw.org/tiforth.tar
13:09:16 <Fractal> ^ Source code and compiled .8xp file.
13:10:12 <Robert> Grumpf.
13:10:23 <Robert> All my friends got that, but I only have a TI82.
13:10:23 <Fractal> Huh?
13:10:28 <Fractal> Oh, heh.
13:10:43 <Fractal> It might be portable to TI82... I couldn't say.
13:10:52 <Fractal> Those have z80s in them, I think. ??
13:10:54 <Robert> I'll command a guy to download it to his one and bring it to school.
13:11:01 <Fractal> Heh. OK.
13:11:09 <Robert> Yeah, but I'm not so sure you have the same programming possibilities.
13:11:21 <Fractal> Yeah, they probably lack a number of ROM calls.
13:11:45 <Fractal> The forth really only uses deallocfps, putc, newline, and getkey though, so you never know.
13:11:55 <Fractal> Er, and allocfps, of course.
13:12:16 <Robert> fps?
13:12:24 <Fractal> Floating Point Stack.
13:12:33 <Fractal> It was the easiest place to build the memory map. :)
13:12:53 <Fractal> It's good because it makes sure you have enough valid memory.
13:13:00 <Fractal> Er, free memory.
13:13:23 <Robert> Ah.
13:13:32 <Robert> You wrote it?
13:13:35 <Fractal> Yup.
13:13:38 <Robert> Neat...
13:13:42 <Fractal> Over the past week.
13:13:52 <Fractal> Er, except for the string input routine.
13:14:00 <Fractal> It's appropriatley creditted.
13:14:23 <Fractal> I haven't added most of the core words, like IF yet. You have to manually compile in the branches. :(
13:14:30 <Robert> Hah.
13:14:46 <Fractal> Maybe 2 weeks and I'll have a presentable, documented release. :)
13:15:00 <Robert> Well, write X in Forth, and port it to the TI83+
13:15:15 <Fractal> Heh. Yup.
13:15:24 <Fractal> Might be a little tough. :)
13:15:57 * Kitanin suspects Robert is mocking him.
13:16:16 <Robert> Kitanin: ;)
13:16:41 <Robert> I can't whistle, but if I could, I'd whistle innocently now.
13:17:14 <Robert> Anyway, a Forth on TI83+ would be great, that way I don't have to waste the physics classes doing...physics.
13:17:29 <Fractal> Heh.
13:18:04 <Fractal> Well I just got one a month ago for my class and was shocked at the programming options: TI-BASIC or, z80 ASM...
13:18:49 <Fractal> I haven't done any linear algebra with it yet though... :)
13:19:04 <Robert> TI BASIC is, well, better than Casio BASIC.
13:19:24 <Robert> But Forth would of course be better than both of them.
13:19:27 <Fractal> Well possibly, yeah... I've never really tried either.
13:19:31 <Fractal> Agreed.
13:19:52 <Robert> Besides, that would make me able to teach my classmates Forth.
13:20:03 <Fractal> Heh. Cool.
13:20:14 <Robert> They need some reeducation, school is trying to make them use C++!
13:20:31 <Fractal> Heh. God forbid.
13:22:05 <Fractal> But yeah, check it out if you like. It's semi functional now, but still a pain to program in.
13:22:27 <Fractal> Anyways, I gotta go.
13:22:29 <Fractal> Later.
13:22:39 <Robert> Bye.
13:22:45 <Kitanin> Bye.
13:24:03 <Kitanin> Ah.....  gforth.el is using the old, no longer supported, highlighting mode.  That's why it's hosing my settings...  :-P
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13:26:09 <Herkamire> Kitanin: you are getting verrrry sleepy... you hear vim calling to you...
13:26:49 <Robert> Hehe.
13:27:06 <Kitanin> Pishtosh.  I _need_ a psychotherapist in my text editor, with my co-workers.  :-)
13:27:30 <Herkamire> lol
13:28:55 <Kitanin> Plus, M-x yow makes more sense than my boss most days.  'Now, let's SEND OUT for QUICHE!'
13:30:05 <Herkamire> :!emacs -f doctor
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16:57:50 <Speuler> re
16:58:00 <male> Eh?
16:58:49 <Speuler> back
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20:33:27 <Herkamire> man adjtime
20:33:40 <Herkamire> why can't my computer keep accurate time?
20:34:40 <Herkamire> it's not even 2.5 years old
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20:48:34 <TreyB> Because the clocks use cheap crystals that change timing characteristics with ambient temperature.
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23:22:52 <deluxe> good morning all!
23:23:12 <male> Indeed.
23:24:11 <deluxe> hello male
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