00:00:00 --- log: started forth/03.01.31 02:19:39 --- join: proteusguy (~username@65.191.88.177) joined #forth 02:57:36 --- join: Speuler (~Speuler@mnch-d9ba44c1.pool.mediaWays.net) joined #forth 02:58:06 'morning 05:37:00 --- join: nizchka (~nizchka@node-c-bad4.a2000.nl) joined #forth 05:37:34 He Speuler, aanwezig? 05:39:21 --- part: nizchka left #forth 06:04:59 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@wsip68-15-54-54.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 06:57:06 --- join: wossname (wossname@HSE-QuebecCity-ppp80829.qc.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 07:41:24 --- quit: TreyB (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07:42:47 --- join: TreyB (~trey@cpe-66-87-192-27.tx.sprintbbd.net) joined #forth 07:46:14 --- join: rafe (~rafe@www.scinq.org) joined #forth 08:33:15 --- quit: proteusguy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08:33:39 --- join: proteusguy (~username@65.191.88.177) joined #forth 09:17:50 --- quit: wossname (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:48:28 --- quit: proteusguy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:03:43 --- join: I440r (~mark4@ip209-183-83-60.ts.indy.net) joined #forth 10:04:20 Commie! 10:22:48 --- quit: I440r (Excess Flood) 10:23:52 --- join: I440r (~mark4@ip209-183-83-60.ts.indy.net) joined #forth 10:36:31 --- join: joonas (jpihlaja@kruuna.Helsinki.FI) joined #forth 10:37:10 hi 10:38:30 hi 10:38:51 quiet here today 10:39:06 serves us slackers right ;) 10:40:23 yea 10:40:30 idlers welcome in #forth :) 10:40:59 :) 10:43:05 re 10:46:45 --- quit: skylan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:53:13 someone shot my neighbours dog 10:53:25 they got it in the basement and are trying to get a vet 10:53:31 but the vets are closed :( 10:54:28 time to call for a weapon ban 10:55:00 no - time to shoot the bastard that shot their dog :P 10:55:05 --- join: skylan (sjh@Riverview84.tbaytel.net) joined #forth 10:55:25 i think the theory goes: if everyone is allowed to carry a gun, one may defend himself 10:56:30 once shooting has been done, only thing you can do is to retaliate. 10:56:33 messy concept 10:58:01 except for precentive shooting maybe ? 10:58:08 preventive 10:58:46 "shoot the bad guy before he shoots you/your dog/your canary" 11:04:39 :) 11:38:20 Yes. That's crime prevention in the US! 11:38:27 Shoot them before they commit any crimes :) 11:44:17 Robert: don't give birth in case they'd commit any crimes. 11:44:32 less cleanup 11:45:14 just need a prenatal intention scanner 11:45:21 Only 'prevent' the guys you don't like from commiting crimes, stupid. 11:46:00 there's a crook inside of us all:) 11:53:21 --- join: deluxe (~deluxe@pD9E4EA30.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 11:59:31 deluxe, hey. 11:59:38 --- quit: I440r (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12:00:29 --- join: I440r (~mark4@ip209-183-83-60.ts.indy.net) joined #forth 12:00:46 wb 12:00:49 heya Robert 12:00:58 . 12:01:27 :) 12:02:05 I440r: i hope you didn't misunderstand me... 12:02:15 deluxe ?> 12:02:23 yo 12:02:23 where ? 12:02:24 what ? 12:02:43 im on my laptop and if i breath the nic cable disconnects 12:02:51 and my irc craps out on me :) 12:02:59 what did you say that you thunked i mis-understood ? 12:03:12 * Speuler waits to see i440r's face go blue 12:03:17 i think i fixed my problem :) 12:03:39 adding the --force to the postrm file made that complete 12:03:48 then i tried dpkg -i midentd.... 12:04:21 and when it crapped out i cut and pasted each line from the crapout line of the postinst file and did them manually adding the --force to the relavant line 12:04:48 didnt need to extract the .deb, edit the postinst and then repack the postinst 12:05:01 glad to hear, then all is fine anyway... 12:05:14 i believe so. thanx for the help dood 12:05:25 and now that you in my channel you realy should learn what its all about :) 12:05:38 everyone should be forced to abandon abominations like c and learn forth :) 12:05:53 ... may volunteer ... 12:05:55 i would never have been able to fix this without your help dood 12:06:14 next time ill try NOT shoot myself in the foot with a dpkg --purge hhe 12:06:15 nope, you don't have to repack the thing, just do a --configure, that's all 12:06:39 dokg-configure midentd! 12:06:40 lol 12:06:45 let me see what that gives me right now 12:06:52 wait 12:07:05 k 12:07:24 dpkg --configure 12:08:07 that works 12:13:47 use gentoo 12:14:30 no 12:14:36 rm -rf everything except debian :P 12:14:58 this problem wasnt a problem with debian, it was a huge fuckup that I made all by myself 12:15:21 ok. 12:15:34 I still think Gentoo is the third coolest thing since sliced bread 12:17:13 * Robert uses Debian and eats knäckebröd. 12:18:31 is that sliced bread? 12:19:19 No. It's hard bread. 12:19:25 herkamire: how's Portage better than, say, RH's rpm or Debians apt/dpkg? 12:27:28 * joonas returns from reading the Portage manual 12:27:29 wow 12:27:53 portage ? 12:28:17 yes. impressive. it's gentoo's equivalent of apt. 12:28:17 i think apt has the best dependancy handling 12:28:52 the most impressive bit was that one could install a package with a reduced feature set. 12:30:22 for instance, if you don't have KDE, you can still install some packages without KDE support. all made easy. 12:30:56 i specifically avoid all packages that have anything to do with either kde or gnome 12:31:26 that is, you don't have to configure each package installation by hand to get rid of the KDE/Gnome/X/whatever features. the gentoo people have done that step for you. 12:31:35 i dont want 2845623984 gigs of BULLSHIT libraries instaled just to have such and such a package 12:32:22 completely agree. the gentoo folks have made it easy to get rid of the bloat and still have the packages you want. 12:32:36 or that's the main selling point, AFAICS. 12:32:52 maybe herk can tell us how well this works in practice. 12:35:06 --- quit: rafe ("That TV's not going to watch itself you know") 12:39:23 --- join: rafe (~rafe@www.scinq.org) joined #forth 12:45:14 is there somebody in this # who has experience w/ the fluxkit 12:45:19 ? 12:50:38 --- join: tathi (~josh@wsip68-15-54-54.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 12:53:50 erm meant the flux OSkit... 13:00:06 I440r: enth's kernel is metacompiled on win32forth, do you think that would be possible w/ isforth as well? 13:00:45 no 13:01:01 isforth will have its own metacompiler. right after it has its own assembler :P 13:08:43 I440r: have you thought about providing a small linker so that isforth may be loaded in pieces? 13:08:57 it can be already 13:09:15 all youneed to do is edit isforth.f and make it not fsave 13:09:22 then you can pick and chose what gets loaded 13:09:23 and do 13:09:31 nice. 13:09:34 ./kernel.com 13:09:36 fload isforth 13:09:41 erm fload isforth.f 13:09:59 in fact editing isforth.f is a good idea. just delete the parts you dont want to use 13:10:21 also, lets assume you have everything in isforth.f loaded 13:10:36 you develop your application under the full blown isforth and when it works you can 13:10:40 cp isforth.f blah.f 13:10:56 then edit blah.f to NOT include the parts you dont need and to then include YOUR application 13:11:08 and instead of doing "fsave isforth" at the end it can do 13:11:17 ' my-app-main is quit 13:11:22 turnkey my-app 13:11:34 you will now have a fairly minimal ./my-app 13:18:04 --- join: wossname (wossname@HSE-QuebecCity-ppp81771.qc.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 13:30:30 --- quit: deluxe ("bb cu") 13:31:39 what'd you say about my momma? 13:33:02 He said that she's evil, because she doesn't use IsForth. 13:33:35 joonas portage does indeed have those nifty features :) and it works too 13:34:42 I can get the compile time options I want without any effort a lot of the time. 13:35:57 you put a list of options that you like (like ssl, ogg, etc) and the ones you don't like (gnome, kde, etc) and where possible it will build in optional ones you like, and --without-ones_you_don't_like 13:36:11 and it looks Damn Easy to make a package 13:36:25 and it's very easy to edit a package 13:36:51 and you can run ./configure you're self 13:37:19 I love the dependancy stuff 13:49:36 herk: portage sounds really cool. 13:58:28 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 14:06:59 --- join: gilbertbsd (~gilbertbs@ACAACEF8.ipt.aol.com) joined #forth 14:16:23 --- part: rafe left #forth 14:19:00 --- part: gilbertbsd left #forth 14:52:56 --- quit: Herkamire ("leaving") 14:56:29 --- quit: joonas ("ircII2.8.2-EPIC3.004+Kasi --- Bloatware at its finest.") 14:57:52 --- quit: Speuler (Remote closed the connection) 15:35:24 --- join: rafe (~rafe@www.scinq.org) joined #forth 15:37:12 --- quit: rafe ("That TV's not going to watch itself you know") 15:41:07 --- quit: wossname ("^______-----") 17:01:42 --- join: proteusguy (~username@65.191.88.177) joined #forth 17:01:50 Hey proteusguy. 17:29:33 Howdy. How's it going with your forth? 17:33:07 Hmm.. 17:33:17 I don't remember that I had any Forth going on. 17:33:32 That does however not mean that you're wrong, heh... 17:33:34 * Robert tired. 17:41:14 --- quit: proteusguy (Connection reset by peer) 17:41:18 --- join: proteus_ (~username@65.191.88.177) joined #forth 17:56:25 --- quit: proteus_ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:01:24 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@65.191.88.177) joined #forth 18:13:12 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@ip68-9-59-120.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 18:15:31 --- quit: proteusguy (Remote closed the connection) 18:41:45 --- quit: I440r ("Reality Strikes Again") 19:25:24 --- join: Sonarman (~matt@adsl-66-124-255-15.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 19:25:24 --- quit: Herkamire (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:48:57 --- quit: skylan (Excess Flood) 19:49:54 --- join: skylan (sjh@Riverview84.tbaytel.net) joined #forth 19:56:52 --- join: glick (~dbunch@ip68-14-157-57.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 19:57:09 --- join: Rk (~arke@gen3-camarillo8-206.vnnyca.adelphia.net) joined #forth 19:57:48 --- quit: glick ("Client exiting") 20:08:50 Moo. 21:57:39 --- quit: TreyB (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22:06:10 --- quit: Sonarman ("bye") 22:57:34 --- quit: Rk ("Client Exiting") 23:47:53 --- join: Rk (~arke@gen3-camarillo8-206.vnnyca.adelphia.net) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/03.01.31