00:00:00 --- log: started forth/03.01.30 00:32:53 --- join: karingo (karingo@29.portland-15-20rs.or.dial-access.att.net) joined #forth 00:36:25 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 01:01:00 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 01:11:02 --- quit: karingo () 02:27:22 --- quit: Surphaze ("Client Exiting") 02:39:09 has anyone seen a forth snippet for setting graphics up in order to do 2d graphics/blitting etc 04:36:55 --- quit: sma (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04:36:55 --- quit: OrngeTide (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04:36:56 --- quit: Robert (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04:36:56 --- quit: fridge (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04:36:56 --- quit: skylan (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04:36:56 --- quit: TreyB (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04:36:57 --- quit: onetom (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04:36:57 --- quit: ianni (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04:53:21 --- quit: Fractal (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:51:21 --- join: TreyB (~trey@cpe-66-87-192-27.tx.sprintbbd.net) joined #forth 05:51:21 --- join: sma (stephenma@ashd174qy22og.bc.hsia.telus.net) joined #forth 05:51:21 --- join: OrngeTide (orange@65.19.141.250) joined #forth 05:51:21 --- join: Robert (~snofs@h138n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #forth 05:51:21 --- join: fridge (meldrum@zipperii.zip.com.au) joined #forth 05:51:21 --- join: skylan (sjh@207.164.213.133) joined #forth 05:51:21 --- join: onetom (~tom@novtan.bio.u-szeged.hu) joined #forth 05:51:21 --- join: ianni (~ian@inpuj.net) joined #forth 05:58:40 --- quit: sma (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 05:58:40 --- quit: OrngeTide (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 05:58:41 --- quit: fridge (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 05:58:41 --- quit: skylan (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 05:58:41 --- quit: Robert (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 05:58:47 --- join: sma (stephenma@ashd174qy22og.bc.hsia.telus.net) joined #forth 05:58:47 --- join: OrngeTide (orange@65.19.141.250) joined #forth 05:58:47 --- join: skylan (sjh@207.164.213.133) joined #forth 05:58:47 --- join: fridge (meldrum@zipperii.zip.com.au) joined #forth 05:58:47 --- join: Robert (~snofs@h138n2fls31o965.telia.com) joined #forth 06:02:17 --- quit: ianni (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06:14:28 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@wsip68-15-54-54.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 06:15:50 --- join: ianni (~ian@inpuj.net) joined #forth 06:16:08 welcome ianni :) 06:20:31 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 06:27:17 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 06:35:28 --- join: Fractal (hwnmn@h24-77-171-228.ok.shawcable.net) joined #forth 07:59:28 --- join: I440r (~mark4@ip209-183-83-68.ts.indy.net) joined #forth 08:53:47 --- join: CaffeinJunkie (~Speuler@mnch-d9ba42f9.pool.mediaWays.net) joined #forth 08:59:33 --- join: gilbertbsd (~knoppix@67.97.122.120) joined #forth 09:04:54 --- quit: Speuler (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:09:52 * I440r wants a coffee and is too lazy to go get it :/ 09:10:00 damn i need a woman :/ 09:11:06 ah have you tried personals.yeehaa ? 09:11:17 yahooo 09:12:16 thats a pay site isnt it ? 09:12:31 used to be free but then they moved the goal posts :/ 09:12:33 :( 09:12:36 hahaha. 09:12:47 besides, im not sure i trust any web based personals site 09:14:53 what are your options? are you a bar hopper? 09:15:15 --- join: hp48nik (xru52729fj@1Cust242.tnt4.vancouver.bc.da.uu.net) joined #forth 09:15:24 no i think the last time i went into a bar was 2 years ago heh 09:15:35 hi all 09:15:37 i keep a bottle of JD in my freeszer and every now and then i pour a shot :) 09:15:40 hi hp :) 09:15:40 hi rpl 09:16:09 JD? yuck... bourbon is to really whisky as macdonalds is to haute cuisine ;-) 09:16:32 hp - im realy supprised you never heared of landis & gyr 09:16:40 they are well known in the power metering industry 09:16:45 and are there lots of chics around who do not just use their heads as wig stands? 09:16:52 whiskey is bleh 09:16:53 ie around you? 09:17:13 try drinking JD after leaving the bottle in the freezer for a few hours. 09:17:14 landis & gyr? what do you mean i haven't heard of them? 09:17:17 dont add ice or water 09:17:28 try vodka instead of that 09:17:33 last time i mentioned them you said you never heared of them heh 09:17:46 ugh vodka is putrid - i do like greek raki tho :) 09:17:51 in moderation 09:17:57 well i don't know much about the "power metering industry", and i'm in canada not the usa 09:18:12 they are known all over the world :) 09:18:21 so why should i know them? 09:18:50 hp - your not h.p.recktenwald ? 09:18:56 i think i spelled that right 09:18:56 no 09:19:09 hp as in hewlett packard (hp48 = calculator) 09:19:11 lol - then my wires are crossed heh 09:19:34 http://www.hpcalc.org/ 09:19:51 --- nick: CaffeinJunkie -> Speuler 09:20:02 so do you work for HP ??? 09:20:06 * I440r needs a job :P 09:20:11 hi bongo! 09:20:26 nope 09:20:54 i440 this is important as I am in the same boat. Are you looking for geek chix? 09:21:01 i googled Landis & Gyr, looked at their webpage, and still don't understand what interest they have for anyone? 09:21:34 i used to work for them 09:21:37 ah 09:21:49 and h.p.r used to work in the electric industry i believe 09:22:01 do you have a CV online, I440r 09:22:19 nope. i got one here tho 09:22:54 i dont have a decent connection so i dont bother with a web page so i dont have my resume online 09:23:21 i440 put a small one on ummm geocities. 09:23:32 plain text small tiny one. 09:23:38 no. i wont support geocities because they use popups 09:23:43 ANNOYING fucking things 09:23:57 uhh put one up in a newsgroup then. 09:23:59 hehehe. 09:24:12 then you can always point to that url. 09:24:23 ive passed my resume to 24876529357 different online job search places and i STILL havent got work :/ 09:24:26 gilbertbsd: why do you like BSD as opposed to Linux? there are lots of arguments about that at my local LUG (vanLUG) 09:24:48 hp I am currently using knoppix (debian) ... I love bsd. 09:24:51 I440r: do you have a degree? 09:24:53 I don't just like it. 09:25:01 no. i have nno degree. 09:25:10 but why bsd as opposed to linux? 09:25:13 --- part: Speuler left #forth 09:25:24 it was so damned easy to install on the old machine i had. 09:25:38 also it was a snap to install new software from sources or binary. 09:26:04 but prior to attacks on 9/11 the longest i had between contracts was a month 09:26:19 the default shell in BSD is tcsh rather than bash or whatever, right? 09:26:21 AND most importantly, it was so easy to make a custom kernel. 09:26:26 yeah tcsh 09:26:42 that's what MAC OS X defaults to because of its fBSD core 09:26:57 I have gained respect for bash though. 09:27:10 bash and sh. they feel pythonish and I wuv python. 09:27:15 i learned unix on ksh... still popular with some unix gurus 09:27:24 oh i really like python too 09:27:48 python is so ... pseudocode-esque ;-) 09:27:59 very pseudocode-esque 09:28:07 and all the lisp guys like python secretly. 09:28:16 compared to crap like java and c# and c++ (shudder) 09:28:50 most lisp people i know use SCHEME and are not into python afaik 09:28:57 after assembler and forth i see NO need for any other programming/scripting languages 09:29:11 hp Norvig is a big python fan. 09:29:16 --- quit: Herkamire ("leaving") 09:29:23 forth doesn't really replace scripting languages... doesn't have same focus as them 09:29:24 i440 you do need some python in your life ;) 09:29:52 hp "it doesnt" means "nobody bothered to add the extension" 09:29:55 not "it cant" 09:30:25 forth reads funny under certain circumstances. 09:30:28 * hp48nik says no comment 09:30:33 it starts reading a little like brainf*ck. 09:30:47 s/\*/\?/ 09:31:16 no - forth doesnt read like brainfuck - sed does tho 09:31:23 bash too 09:31:43 hahaha. not bash. 09:31:48 bash reads a little like python. 09:32:09 for i in john doe richard bing; mkdir $i 09:32:09 i think the unreadable stuff your referring to is regexp's in general 09:32:19 oh 09:33:22 http://www.jwdt.com/~paysan/calc.m 09:33:39 point in case. 09:34:18 --- join: proteusguy (~username@65.191.88.177) joined #forth 09:34:25 hp do you know of any jobs anywhere ? 09:34:43 compare that to : http://www.rebol.com/docs/easy-vid.html#section-2 09:34:52 this is quite funny: http://www.hackerthreads.com/scstore/shirt_images/5180/5180images/trash_5180w.jpg 09:35:30 the IT sector has changed quite a bit up here... lots of jobs, but employers now usually require degrees or some sort of academic accreditation, not just experience or talent 09:36:01 dumb 09:36:05 many of my friends who had great jobs and $$$ pre-dotbomb still are unemployed 09:36:39 well if you're an employer and can pick and choose, why not choose a degree PLUS talent/skill rather than just talent/skill 09:36:43 helps weed out some people 09:37:21 a lot of people in IT seem to have no background in mathematics i've noticed... not even basic stuff 09:37:33 which is why they do such stupid things with cryptography 09:37:43 i dont 09:37:48 not even the basics 09:38:22 hey the hackerthreads guys could make forth Tee-shirts! 09:38:28 really? url? 09:40:37 I said 'could' 09:40:56 did you see the rebol/view code? 09:40:56 brb 09:41:07 vs the forth/minos code? 09:41:21 oh sorry about "could" ... scanning too much instead of reading carefully 09:42:14 heheh. what about the code? have you looked at them yet? 09:43:19 * gilbertbsd waits patiently. 09:43:27 tap, tap, tap, tap. 09:44:17 you mean the forth code? sourcforge? context? 09:45:03 compare that to : http://www.rebol.com/docs/easy-vid.html#section-2 http://www.jwdt.com/~paysan/calc.m 09:45:10 there are now two urls. 09:45:24 oh sorry i don't want to even look at that... i'm beyond comparisons like that 09:45:32 but you gotta! 09:45:55 a little peek perhaps? 09:45:56 did all that way back in www.cs.ubc.ca ... been there, done that 09:46:07 for rebol and forth? 09:46:33 we studied rebol a bit in one course, and i studied forth on my own 09:46:46 ah really? so you know what I'm talking about then! 09:47:05 * hp48nik goes into a coma 09:47:21 wakey wakey 09:48:03 new topic: are you a student, gilbertbsd? 09:48:10 si 09:48:34 what are you studying? where? 09:48:52 in a tiny school here in miami, i am studying ummm CIS? 09:48:58 I think its a little like uhhh MIS 09:49:10 which means it is == SullBhit. 09:49:14 oh you are "hispanophone" ? 09:49:26 I don't speaka spanish though. 09:49:31 have you been to miami? 09:49:38 no 09:49:44 it is a foreign country. 09:49:52 in USA: only hawaii and all over west coast 09:49:58 never to east or south 09:50:13 Well, my roommates call any place outside of Miami 'the US'. 09:50:51 yes english-speaking eurocentric white people in the usa are quite xenophobic 09:51:13 as soon as i go over the boarder racism seems to increase about 500% 09:51:13 hehe. they were colombians. 09:51:19 fantastic people. 09:51:22 no that's what i mean 09:51:53 it matters here that people oughtta speak English after 30 years ;) 09:52:07 why? 09:52:13 to make you feel better? 09:52:26 --- quit: I440r (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 09:52:29 ie according to the residents of Miami who were here before the take over. 09:52:42 ever heard that expression "Speak white"? 09:52:55 I don't have a problem at all. I moved here from Ohio, cold cold Ohio. 09:52:55 the native americans, you mean? 09:53:09 the Native-not-Indian americans ie. 09:53:16 the original inhabitants of miami were not europeans 09:53:27 they were native americans 09:53:41 I meant before the take over. I know who were here: the seminoles and the micossukee 09:53:56 so YOU took over from the seminoles and micossukee 09:54:11 no since I am not from Miami, I didn't :D 09:54:29 by "you" i mean white, eurocentric people from the usa 09:54:29 I lived for a while in Ohio you see? and I moved here in September of last year. 09:54:33 hehehe. 09:54:47 there are eurocentrics and anglo saxons. 09:54:49 so is ohio considered the "midwest"? 09:54:54 it is the midwest. 09:55:08 well how far east does the midwest go? 09:55:12 but I like spanish women. They are hot and have big asses :) 09:55:25 uhhh it stops somewhere a little after minessota 09:55:47 * hp48nik looks at map 09:56:18 so ohio is the midwest but not pennsylvania? 09:56:39 I think penssylvania starts it 09:56:52 and then anything before pennsylvania is 'east'. 09:57:21 south west is of course anything before california and from texas. 09:57:39 have you ever been to canada, or outside of the USA in general? 09:57:40 south east, aka south is everything before florida . 09:57:43 ah 09:57:50 never been to Canada. 09:58:08 I haven't travelled much outside 09:58:12 never had to :D 09:58:22 almost did though... 09:59:50 my parents have been to cuba... it's close to where you are now 10:00:00 you think? 10:00:04 This is mini-cuba. 10:00:10 which is why this is a foreign cuba. 10:00:19 s/cuba/country 10:00:31 and everyone here speaks spanish 10:00:34 and all the girls are hot 10:00:38 :D 10:00:43 and the weather feels good ... 10:00:57 i can't take heat beyond a certain point 10:01:05 my body shuts down 10:01:15 I can't believe some people live all year round in such dastardly cold weather. 10:01:21 that's why hawaii is nice... warm but never TOO warm, or too humid 10:01:24 the warm weather energizes me. 10:01:46 energising = siesta? ;-) 10:02:14 nah I stay up longer. 10:02:32 for a while I noticed that in the summer time I sleep fewer hours. 10:02:51 and then I came to keywest on a visit last year and had a blast 10:02:56 this is really good from the same location you quoted above: http://www.jwdt.com/~paysan/why-forth.html 10:03:10 i've heard that keywest is supposed to be great 10:03:32 isn't it slightly seedy, though? somewhat rundown and alcohol-driven? 10:04:03 its got a major shopping corridor on duval street... 10:04:22 there is good food, not too badly rundown and lots of people are on vacation. 10:04:39 it is actually pretty clean and 155 miles from where I am currently sitting. 10:04:53 people go there primarily to have a good time and to shop. 10:05:27 like Tijuana ;-) 10:05:28 it has an active bohemian subculture 10:05:36 i like subcultures 10:05:38 most of whom are artists ... 10:05:50 a few writers, and some musicians. 10:05:56 Jimmy Buffet famously 10:06:06 "Margaritaville" ;-) 10:06:11 most famously indeed. 10:06:35 --- join: I440r (~mark4@ip209-183-83-83.ts.indy.net) joined #forth 10:06:43 I hardly drink though so I don't pay much attention to the alcohol-driven part of it all. 10:06:57 I go there mostly because I can walk or bike everywhere on the island ... 10:07:05 the best non-mainstream subculture i've experienced in the USA has been in seattle, olympia, & portland (plus the bay area in calif. of course) 10:07:33 oh yeah, it is also the Gay capital of the south. 10:07:49 i thought Atlanta was the gay cap. of the south 10:08:01 oh is it? I have only driven through it. 10:09:08 i better go harvest my snailmail now 10:09:21 snailmail: high-latency teleporation ;-) 10:09:42 hehehe 10:09:54 'harvesting snailmail'. i have to write that down. 10:10:05 thanks for laughing... most people seem to not get my humour 10:10:15 or find it unfunny 10:11:13 cheers... 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Nothing. 19:15:58 heh 19:16:02 Grab yourself a time machine. 19:22:23 hi ppl 19:22:23 --- quit: I440r (Excess Flood) 19:22:45 --- join: I440r (~mark4@ip209-183-83-79.ts.indy.net) joined #forth 19:22:50 --- part: dsmith left #forth 19:23:13 Excess flood? 19:23:40 no my network cable keeps disconnecting on my laptop 19:23:46 Pasting isforth into the channel again? ;-) 19:23:48 all i gotta do is move and it craps out on me 19:24:02 Ahh. 19:24:06 Get a new cable ;-) 19:24:51 cant afford one 19:25:04 cant afford anything. not had work in a long time 19:25:17 desperatly looking for work 19:25:58 Well, this is certainly not the time for it. 19:31:54 --- quit: male ("User disconnected") 19:52:24 --- quit: I440r ("Reality Strikes Again") 19:55:54 --- quit: skylan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:56:25 --- join: skylan (sjh@207.164.213.110) joined #forth 20:07:09 --- join: male (~male@cpe-024-033-030-124.midsouth.rr.com) joined #forth 21:32:30 --- join: karingo (karingo@41.portland-06-07rs.or.dial-access.att.net) joined #forth 21:32:58 oy 21:33:01 13 emit 21:33:46 Does this look like a forth interpreter? ;-) 21:35:08 why wasnt there a syntax error on oy? 21:36:08 Perhaps because OY is a word ;-) 21:40:21 hrm 21:40:47 OY OY OY 2dup emit . . . . 21:55:27 --- quit: Rk ("Client Exiting") 22:11:58 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 22:19:06 --- quit: karingo () 22:20:33 --- quit: male ("User disconnected") 22:22:25 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 23:20:57 --- quit: skylan (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: skylan_!sjh@207.164.213.47))) 23:21:52 --- join: skylan (sjh@207.164.213.47) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/03.01.30