00:00:00 --- log: started forth/03.01.14 00:00:13 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 00:21:55 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 00:34:26 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 01:08:07 --- join: jordey (asm@rev213-183-184-9-adsl3.nc-adsl.net) joined #forth 01:57:05 --- join: Speuler (~Speuler@mnch-d9ba4f2c.pool.mediaWays.net) joined #forth 01:58:13 grgl mpf 02:00:20 yawn 02:11:35 Morning. 02:11:44 Hrm, Serg's never here when I am :P 02:14:07 conflicting timezones? 02:15:46 Not really. 02:15:55 Moscow isn't THAT far from Stockholm. 02:16:15 But, his connection is crap, and his boss forces him to work :/ 02:17:03 "slaves can not be fired. the must be sold" 02:17:05 they 02:17:44 breakfast 02:18:01 that would suck. 02:18:38 * Speuler tries the "begin coffee awake ..." trick 02:21:28 Heh. 02:33:24 --- join: flyfly (~marekb@mail.melzer.cz) joined #forth 03:15:43 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 03:25:18 --- quit: lament ("Non sunt in celi quia fuccant uuiuys of heli") 03:29:47 --- join: proteusguy (~username@65.191.88.177) joined #forth 03:33:29 --- quit: Speuler (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03:35:47 --- join: Speuler (~Speuler@mnch-d9ba42ac.pool.mediaWays.net) joined #forth 03:50:03 --- quit: jordey (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:09:31 --- quit: Speuler (Connection timed out) 04:11:50 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 05:37:02 --- quit: fridge ("Visit http://www.mistik.net") 05:37:02 --- quit: flyfly (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05:46:56 --- join: sylk (search@dialup-125.145.221.203.acc02-geor-mor.comindico.com.au) joined #forth 06:16:51 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 06:20:09 --- quit: Serg_Penguin (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06:22:57 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 06:24:42 --- quit: Serg_Penguin (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06:26:19 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 06:26:57 i _hate_ win98 4 its non-preemptive fake multitasking !!! 06:29:25 * sylk has had her machine running win98 for weeks on end without hassles. 06:30:25 now it exploded like fart zeppellin :(( 06:36:07 I shudder to think how you have acquired experience in such things 06:36:21 ?? 06:36:31 shudder ?? 06:53:19 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 06:58:11 --- part: sylk left #forth 07:25:31 --- quit: onetom (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07:25:40 --- join: onetom (~tom@novtan.bio.u-szeged.hu) joined #forth 07:44:32 --- join: I440r (~mark4@sdn-ap-032tnnashP0406.dialsprint.net) joined #forth 07:51:53 --- quit: skylan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07:54:51 --- join: skylan (sjh@Riverview60.tbaytel.net) joined #forth 09:18:34 --- join: Kitanin (~clark@SCF61185.ab.hsia.telus.net) joined #forth 09:34:57 --- quit: Kitanin (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:34:48 --- quit: Klaw (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12:41:26 --- join: gilbertbsd (~gilbertbs@67.97.122.120) joined #forth 12:41:33 hullo 12:43:14 --- quit: proteusguy ("Client Exiting") 12:53:58 --- join: Jordey (asm@rev213-183-184-9-adsl3.nc-adsl.net) joined #forth 12:59:13 hi 12:59:25 Hey there 12:59:43 not you - i was saying hi to jordey :P 13:02:30 --- quit: gilbertbsd (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 13:03:48 --- join: rafe (~rafe@www.scinq.org) joined #forth 13:21:04 --- join: Kitanin (~clark@SCF61185.ab.hsia.telus.net) joined #forth 14:03:39 I440r: :~( 14:03:40 Hm. 14:04:49 Hmm? 14:05:16 21:59 < I440r> hi 14:05:17 21:59 < Robert> Hey there 14:05:17 21:59 < I440r> not you - i was saying hi to jordey :P 14:06:01 Okay. For some reason, that didn't get transmitted to me. (And you though I440r didn't like YOU!) :-) 14:08:51 The reason might have been that you wasn't here then. 14:11:47 --- join: Klaw (chuck@ip68-4-155-247.oc.oc.cox.net) joined #forth 14:16:07 heh 14:16:25 *snicker* 14:16:25 Oh, right. You're in GMT+1, aren't you? :-) 14:17:40 Heh. Yes. 14:18:21 Never assume someone is in the same time zone as you are. They're either lurking in Mongolia, or they're on vacation in Alaska. NEVER close to you. 14:18:57 * Kitanin lives within a day's drive of Alaska. 14:20:13 I live...a day's flight from there. 14:20:16 [22:07] 21:59 < I440r> hi 14:20:24 Hehe. 14:20:29 23:05 < Robert> 21:59 < I440r> hi 14:20:31 :) 14:21:15 Hence my confusion. :-) 14:22:03 Not too many people use GMT. Only mad scientists, Englishmen and a few other heathens do. 14:22:22 Well, okay, the confusion is a result of reading Intel's TSS documentation for Pentiums. :-) 14:22:56 Hah. 14:23:27 Mad Scientist it is, then. (Puts his goggles on) SCIENCE! 14:23:42 Do you suggest that the Pentium would be...complex? 14:25:23 I prefer the term rococo. :-) 14:26:29 more like baroque-n 14:27:16 Ro-coo-coo for Cocoa Puffs? 14:29:21 23:28 < Rico> Hoi, Robert! 14:29:21 23:29 < Rico> I like to talk about anything but forth. 14:29:22 Hah. 14:31:05 Hey, if we talk about ANS Forth, would that qualify under "anything but forth"? :-) 14:37:57 --- join: confuciussayMU (~confucius@67.97.122.120) joined #forth 14:38:10 * confuciussayMU calls for a forth called "/join#forth" 14:38:11 :D 14:40:25 Actually, you want: #forth /join 14:42:45 why not /join #forth? 14:42:55 verb noun 14:43:06 joinForth 14:43:06 :D 14:43:45 Kitanin: I guess so. ;) 14:43:55 also applies wrt forth as lego of languages: http://www.ultratechnology.com/4thlego.htm 14:51:35 Hey, right. Anyone know if anyone's done any work on programming a LEGO Mindstorms set with FORTH? 14:53:25 perhaps the author of the lego forth set has! 14:53:38 Build a Forth robot with feelings, and send it to Chuck for his birthday. 14:53:45 feelings? 14:53:59 feelings == extra code. 14:54:00 waste. 14:54:01 :D 14:54:29 build a forth robot to pull the blinds and move his computer away from the glare for his b/day :D 14:55:48 * Kitanin scrolls down the page he's on, and finds a link to a FORTH system for the Mindstorms brick. 14:56:14 http://www.hempeldesigngroup.com/lego/pbForth/index.html 14:57:02 Yep. :-) 15:02:33 --- join: fridge (meldrum@zipperii.zip.com.au) joined #forth 15:03:34 brrr. 15:03:45 its suddenly got colder in here. 15:03:58 get it? 15:04:02 ha ha? 15:04:19 joke laugh if 15:04:20 ? 15:04:28 huh else 15:04:29 ? 15:05:09 huh 15:05:13 =P 15:05:22 ha haha 15:10:49 --- nick: confuciussayMU -> gilbertbsd 15:19:23 --- join: proteusguy (~username@65.191.88.177) joined #forth 15:19:36 --- join: ASau (~asau@158.250.48.197) joined #forth 15:20:10 Good night! 15:20:16 :) 15:21:20 Night ASau :) 15:21:32 Any good news? 15:21:46 Ah! Happy new year!!! :))) 15:21:46 Yes, our beloved russian friend just joined! 15:21:53 Hehe, happy new year. 15:22:03 How could I forget? 15:22:45 BTW, this new year I've met exotic way. 15:22:58 I met it 5 times. 15:23:03 :) 15:23:18 A trip with the transsibirian railway? 15:23:24 No. 15:23:30 A fast boat? 15:23:36 Teleporting? 15:23:40 Tell us! 15:24:13 We were meeting in our "Internationale" party. 15:24:44 Since 21:00 MSK to 1:00 MSK :p 15:25:45 We met it in Irkutsk time, Tobolsk time, two times we've met Saratov's New Year, Moscow's and Kaliningrad's. :))) 15:26:16 Heh. 15:26:23 We were 5 from different parts of country. 15:26:29 Crazy russians. 15:26:35 Here we have ONE time zone. ;P 15:26:46 --- join: ConfuciusSayMU (~confucius@67.97.122.120) joined #forth 15:26:47 --- quit: Kitanin (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:27:01 BTW. Today we have additional New Year. 15:27:10 how? 15:27:11 Hm. 15:27:14 So, Happy Old New Year! :) 15:27:24 huh? 15:27:45 That is a way to confuse foreigners :) 15:28:47 The Americans also have plenty of time zones. 15:29:03 --- join: lament (~lament@h24-78-145-92.vc.shawcable.net) joined #forth 15:29:17 a timezone is a figment of the imagination. 15:29:31 based on Noon of course. 15:29:46 highNoon 15:29:50 Till year 1918, we'd had Julian calendar, and after 1 Feb 1918 there was 14 Feb, to reduce difference in astronomic and official calendars. 15:30:33 So, since then we celebrate New Year 2 times. 15:30:47 who is 'we'? 15:30:50 New Year, and "Old" New Year. 15:31:06 Russia. 15:31:17 mos cow. 15:31:21 I see now. 15:31:32 so is there going to be vodka drinking tonight? 15:32:59 There is vodka drinking on any case. If you want you drink, if no wish you don't. 15:33:08 oh. 15:33:19 There shall be tea drinking tonight in my house. 15:33:30 so do you have to send gifts and such? 15:33:51 No. That is not the real New Year. :) 15:33:55 Vigorous tea drinking with a slice of cream cake:D 15:34:11 s/vigorous/aggresive 15:34:25 is it a national holiday? 15:34:54 No. 15:35:27 Holiday is not a date, it is a mood. 15:35:28 is it a holiday/day off only then? 15:35:33 a mood... 15:35:36 hmmm. 15:36:06 IIRC, it is called in English this way. Am I mistaken? 15:36:25 about what? 15:36:36 the spelling of mood is correct. 15:36:49 ASau: no, you're not. 15:36:58 ? 15:37:38 --- quit: gilbertbsd (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:38:04 Ah. All that English, it has "fixed field sentence format". 15:38:09 --- nick: ConfuciusSayMU -> gilbertbsd 15:38:30 relatively fixed. 15:39:02 Regular I do mistakes of this kind. :( 15:39:26 English is a horribly complicated language. 15:39:46 yep. 15:40:00 due to the fact that the brits had many different conquerors over time. 15:40:11 Not even most native speakers can speak it properly. 15:40:15 SO there are true synonyms in the english language. 15:40:18 We can juggle words, change its order and the main meaning of sentense is the same, only stress may change. 15:40:33 drastivanya :D 15:40:39 privyet. 15:41:17 ASau: well, that's mostly wrong. 15:41:18 zdrasti, p'zhal'sta! 15:41:35 huh? 15:41:36 ASau: Both English and Russian allow a degree of freedom 15:41:53 But this degree is very different. 15:42:02 there is regularly spoken english and 'other' english. 15:42:06 Not very, I think. 15:42:08 dialecting is common. 15:42:21 ASau: The problem is to know where exactly the freedom lies. 15:42:46 You can't switch words every which way in Russian, either. 15:42:48 Spasiba, tavaritj FORTH!@$#! 15:43:40 BTW, here I run into discussion how to cook potato in different programming language. 15:43:53 when? 15:44:11 It was something like a holy war, Smalltalkers vs. Haskellers. :) 15:44:26 A week ago, IIRC. 15:44:26 --- quit: proteusguy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:44:47 * gilbertbsd kicks himself for not watching the match. 15:44:57 This was a very interesting show. 15:44:59 smalltalkers vs. haskellers seems like a very stupid holy war 15:45:02 --- join: proteusguy (~username@65.191.88.177) joined #forth 15:45:18 lameNT the war was over potatoes 15:45:28 the languages were the weapons. 15:45:31 THere were discussion, which voice to use, active vs. passive etc 15:46:16 "potato cook" vs. "cook potato"? 15:46:36 prolly potato: cook new vs 'cook potato' 15:46:43 A version, where "potato gets cooked" in OO paradigm is an impressive thing. 15:47:07 potato: cook new doesn't look like valid smalltalk 15:47:21 cook potato: new then. 15:47:22 IIRC that was in C++. 15:48:02 'potato cook' seems more forthy though. 15:48:49 I'd invented my way to cook potato in Forth, but not sent it. 15:48:53 actually in smalltalk it would be 15:48:58 "potato new cook" 15:49:31 of course, only if you actually need a new potato. 15:49:38 pen new. 15:49:45 I can't recall ST solution, there was assumption you need to build fire first. 15:49:50 hmmm seems right. 15:50:09 so make a new instance of FIRE! 15:50:21 cook(potato) 15:50:23 --- join: nizchka (~nizchka@node-c-bad4.a2000.nl) joined #forth 15:50:24 in python :D 15:50:42 ok, then smalltalk would be 15:50:51 potato new cookWith: fire new 15:50:57 My Forth solution is in Russian, but it is almost (sometimes even real) natural language. 15:51:15 ASau translate it into english for us the slow 15:51:20 and post it. 15:51:21 and python would be: potato.cook(fire) 15:51:25 err 15:51:31 potato().cook(fire()) 15:51:47 huh? 15:52:04 OO is eeeeeeevil. 15:52:08 no, it is not. 15:52:18 its created more annoyances than fewer. 15:52:28 simply cook(potato,fire) 15:52:34 or cook(potato,microwave) 15:52:36 :D 15:52:52 fire(potato,cook) 15:52:58 fire(potato,bake) 15:53:11 fire(food,kindOfCooking) 15:53:21 don't bash OO :) 15:53:22 Upfffff. That is hard task. English and Russian have different word order in imperative sentence I used. 15:53:33 * gilbertbsd is an avowed OO basher. 15:53:42 ASau thats okay. 15:53:58 its Forth aftearall n'est ce pas? 15:54:18 use babelfish if you have to. 15:54:32 Well, do you want commented transliteration or translation? 15:54:50 both. merci. 15:55:19 Well. Native solution, transliterated Cyr. 15:56:24 : razdel VOCABULARY IMMEDIATE ; ( supplementary word, 'unit' ) 15:56:56 razdel kartoshku DEFINITIONS 15:57:57 : prigotovit' ( 'to cook', also 'cook' imperative, tr. verb) 15:58:40 ogon' razvesti ( 'build fire', 'ogon\'' -> 15:59:00 'fire', 'razvesti' -> 'build' , imperative ) 16:00:35 kastrjulju zagruzit' ( zagruzit' = 'load 16:02:53 kastrjulja is ... how it is called in English... damn) 16:04:04 load water? 16:04:18 ( ... ) minut zhdat' ( zhdat' = wait, minuta = minute, minut=minutes, Genitiv,Deutsh) 16:04:32 ( ... etc ) ; 16:04:52 Damn, too hard @%] 16:04:58 is there a programming language created in russia that is not very popular with english speakers? 16:05:09 katsrjulja - pot, i think 16:05:19 Yeah, pot 16:05:20 what does katsrjulja look like? 16:05:24 ah okay. 16:05:26 gilbertbsd: no, but there was a russian COBOL 16:05:37 whoopdeedoo. 16:05:38 gilbertbsd: even worse than the original! 16:06:20 I've never seen COBOL, but I programmed in original Russian p.l. 16:06:33 It is called RAPIRA. 16:07:11 It looks like a mixture of Algol-60, Algol-68 and Modula, IIRC. 16:07:45 BTW, there is another original Russian PL, see http://refal.net/ 16:08:28 I was greatly impressed by this URL, when I run into it. 16:09:02 IIRC, this was Turchin's design. 16:09:43 Ah, also we had had our home grown SETL analogue. 16:10:10 refal looks mildly interesting 16:11:03 There also exist Elbrus project. It's produced El'-76 p.l. 16:11:26 ah you know SETL? 16:12:07 No, I don't know SETL, but I knew our Russian version. 16:12:30 what did you think of the ideas behind it? 16:12:36 sets, tuples maps etc. 16:12:46 setl - the python-like lang? 16:12:48 I think that book exists somewhere at home. 16:13:27 IIRC, in our p.l. there are words, sets and classes. 16:13:56 Words are really strings, set is set of words, class is set of sets. 16:15:10 Set algebra as primitive operations, and selecting abilities, like "forall" and "exists" closures. 16:15:29 ...clauses(?). 16:17:17 And interesting "super-high-level" p.l., it was meant for experimenting with DBs (as an example). 16:17:41 super-high-level for its time, perhaps. 16:19:20 I don't think now it has lost its position. It is so high level, that is not practical. It was designed as experimental (part of research), I think. 16:19:45 eh? From all I know about SETL, Python is more high-level 16:19:54 --- join: tcn (tcn@tc2-login47.megatrondata.com) joined #forth 16:20:23 I don't know Python, so I can't say anything in comparison. 16:20:31 do you know Perl? Ruby? Smalltalk? 16:21:19 I am not such a computer linguist as you can think. 16:21:41 I looked at Perl. Nothing interesting. 16:21:56 That's true; but it is still more high-level :) 16:21:57 heh.. it sucks 16:22:23 Like AWK but more monsteroid. 16:22:29 COBOLish. 16:22:44 too damn complicated 16:23:13 you can do just about anything.. it's hard to tell what'll work and what won't 16:23:21 Once I've seen COBOL sources. God, save me, though I'm atheist. 16:23:43 ever seen SQL? 16:23:45 I've never said Perl doesn't suck. But it is high-level :) 16:24:33 not that SQL is overcomplicated, but the pretenses it's based on are pretty suspect :) 16:25:10 SQL, you mean "SELECT ... ", all I can recall. 16:25:20 yeah 16:25:58 I never used databases, though it would be useful to look at this. 16:26:20 Hmm. Let me recall. 16:28:01 I dunno how you could justify SQL except if the database is on a server and you want to fetch 100 out of 1 million without sending all 1 million over the network.. 16:28:32 All I remember in that book there was more interesting p.l. for DB control described. It was pipe-oriented and more clean than SQL. 16:28:39 but then why not just rlogin, run a regular C program or something like that, and send the results over in whatever format you want? 16:28:51 Possibly I had not paid attention. 16:29:22 what book was it.. any idea? 16:29:53 Of course it was not in English. 16:30:15 In English I read only one book. 16:30:29 was it in Russian by any chance? :) 16:30:47 ;) How have you guessed? 16:31:24 I could read it but it would take me forever 16:31:26 I can't even recall whether it was a translation. 16:31:45 I studied up a little on r 16:31:54 the best databases are object ones :) 16:32:02 .. on russian when I was working with some Russian forth compilers.. 16:32:10 SPF? 16:32:22 Beta? Info? 16:32:27 yeah, and bootosa 16:32:45 Ah, Ivan Mak. 16:33:28 some guy named Mikael, I think, combined SPF and Retro 16:33:48 :) We faught together in holy war :) 16:34:06 IIRC, it was Forth vs. Haskell. 16:34:08 heh 16:34:39 Or, maybe, Forth vs. C++. :) 16:35:11 I'd even fight for C vs. C++ 16:36:03 http://www.googlefight.com/cgi-bin/compare.pl?q1=forth&q2=haskell&B1=Make+a+fight%21&compare=1&langue=us 16:36:06 FIDOnet is a "Tao of a Flame" as a well-known in R50 text says 16:37:36 fidonet is still alive? 16:38:03 Ah! I've mixed them! Not Mak, that was Mikhail Maksimov. 16:38:24 i think so 16:38:57 He is author of simple Forth NCC optimizer. 16:39:12 heh.. you'd think i'd remember how to spell his name, it's the same as Gorbachev's :) 16:39:56 We have too many variants of transliteration Cyr. -> Lat. 16:40:11 Latin has too little characters. 16:40:26 s/too little/not enough 16:41:19 Even for us it has too little. I don't count Chinese et al. 16:41:36 oh, it has enough characters for chinese 16:41:45 can people from, say, Moscow and Siberia understand each other's accents? 16:41:49 what's more, there's an official Chinese->Latin transliteration 16:42:09 which is more than can be said about Russian 16:42:33 hehe.. they keep changing the Chinese transliteration ever couple years and it still doesn't make sense! 16:43:17 tcn, Russians even can understand Ukrainian and Belorussian, if they speak slowly. 16:44:22 so it's not like here, where people from New York State and New York City can't understand each other? 16:44:24 About transliteration, there is too many variants: English-based, French-based, German-based, Latin-based. 16:44:34 let alone Americans and Brits :) 16:45:31 Of course sometime it is difficult, but in major languages are similar. 16:46:24 he. i should buy one of these and then put something on it written in forth. http://www.pololu.com/products/pololu/0250/ 16:46:54 what's a good cheap forth microcontroller ? 16:47:26 Ukrainian and Belorussian use somtimes archaic words or original words of Slavyanic roots. 16:48:10 That is the way I can read ANS-94 and other Forth dialects. :) 16:48:44 well wouldn't you say English and Russian have quite a few words in common? 16:48:47 You are to know roots. 16:49:45 IIRC, English has almost nothing common with Slavyanic branch of languages. 16:50:05 Slavic. 16:50:16 Well, Slavic. 16:50:50 I don't know how it is translated in English. I'm not professional linguist. 16:51:19 but Russian also has non-Slavyanic roots.. right? 16:51:29 Germanic maybe.. 16:51:34 Let me recall... 16:51:41 just released 1.10b 16:51:41 tcn! 16:51:58 hey 16:52:10 tcn: Most commonly used words are of Slavic origin. 16:52:38 tcn are you familiar with terminfo stuff ? 16:52:40 Some words are taken from Germanic languages or even English, but not many. 16:52:47 i just added a terminfo parser to isforth 16:53:30 Germanic and Slavic are close enough, but English has forgot much its German. 16:53:35 you're parsing terminfo?? 16:53:58 yes 16:54:00 I thought you were gonna bypass termcap/terminfo 16:54:07 its not perfected yet but its a start :) 16:54:09 no forth microcontrollers useful for a robot? bah. i guess i won't order this cute chassis. 16:54:16 the terminfo parsing works perfectly 16:54:21 its the terminfo files that are fucked in the head 16:54:38 and i have to cater to the morons who put the database files together 16:54:39 grr 16:54:59 OrngeTide: I know Ilia Tarasov and Ivan Makarchenko do their Forth-controllers. 16:55:00 who really uses anything but VT100/Xterm? 16:55:32 theres still differences between xterm, eterm, rxvt, aterm, wterm etc 16:55:40 thats all i care about 16:55:44 tcn: I use something like VT52. 16:56:20 asau: you mean an actual physical dumb terminal? 16:56:48 And logical too. 16:57:50 (Am5x86???, 16MB RAM, MS-DOS 7.0) 16:57:57 --- part: lament left #forth 16:58:04 ANSI.SYS is loaded. 16:58:16 oh.. that's more like vt100 16:58:21 I think it emulates something like VT52 16:58:48 --- part: nizchka left #forth 16:58:52 ANSI = vt100 with color :) 16:58:59 ASau: hrm. 16:59:07 My telnet program uses VT102 emulation. 16:59:24 OrngeTide: ? 16:59:42 Linux = vt320 with color 17:00:12 fucking freshmeat logs me in - i got to "add a new release" and it tells me i need to log in 17:00:13 grrr 17:00:14 Try to contact through RuFIG page, forth.org.ru -> Members etc 17:01:06 ASau: i was hoping for something off-the-shelf. 17:01:18 i found 68hc11FN which is just a 6811 with built-in forth. 17:02:17 i'd probably be better off cutting up a gameboy and writing it for Z80. :P 17:02:41 then i'd get a nifty little screen too. ahaha. 17:03:23 BTW, what does linux do with char. HEX 8D? That is cp866 Cyr.'N' (it looks 'H'), when I tried to get linux work with Cyrillic that was the only char. not worked. 17:03:35 yeah, those screens cost too much to buy 'em separately? 17:03:36 :0 17:04:12 tcn, the screens are dirt cheap. it's getting a damn controller for one that is hard/expensive 17:04:46 asau: 8D.. is there a mouse cursor? (an actual arrow) 17:05:44 What do you mean, I don't use mouse, so I don't need gpm. 17:06:10 does it show up at all? 17:06:54 No! It does not! I don't support mouse for myself. I don't use it at all! 17:07:08 but does N show up? 17:07:34 No. It does not. 17:07:52 i wonder if the font is bad 17:08:19 When 'Y'('N' is there) in rus. mode is pressed, nothing happens. 17:08:56 No font is not bad, external rus.files are shown correct. 17:09:16 oh just the keymap is messed up 17:09:40 It is default Slack's. 17:09:55 i see 17:10:03 I don't like to change such viable things like keymaps. 17:10:43 Hmm. "i see" is related to Slack? 17:10:43 * OrngeTide wanders off. 17:10:49 make a copy and edit that.. worst thing that can happen is you have to reboot 17:11:27 Slack's keymap coulda been missing your N :) 17:11:49 especially if it was made by a bunch of americans :) 17:12:34 Hmm. Well, it stays till the next time I go to install Slack. 17:12:44 you could download a correct keymap 17:13:51 oh well, it's getting late 17:14:39 see ya 17:14:45