00:00:00 --- log: started forth/02.12.28 00:06:18 as far as my implementation of forth goes, I want to either select a word (like a combo box autocompleting) that already exists, or type in the full name of a word I am about to write. 00:10:45 --- quit: proteus_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00:11:11 --- join: proteus_ (~username@65.191.88.177) joined #forth 00:20:31 actually I'd like to see more graphically designed forths. not Visual C++ style. I want to see the stack etc. maybe I'm a visualisation junkie... 00:34:23 so vrite visual s. and plug it in toploop 00:43:24 visual s? 00:43:50 I think he meant the word .S 00:44:19 surely 00:44:52 actually I am 00:55:32 bye 00:55:34 --- quit: joonas ("ircII2.8.2-EPIC3.004+Kasi --- Bloatware at its finest.") 01:15:01 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 01:40:19 --- join: lament (~lament@h24-78-145-92.vc.shawcable.net) joined #forth 02:29:00 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 02:29:27 re ! 02:34:14 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 02:37:06 --- part: sylk left #forth 02:45:12 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 02:49:39 --- quit: Serg_Penguin (Client Quit) 02:55:49 --- join: sylk (search@dialup-77.175.220.203.acc01-geor-mor.comindico.com.au) joined #forth 03:04:07 --- part: sylk left #forth 03:14:08 --- join: sylk (~search@dialup-77.175.220.203.acc01-geor-mor.comindico.com.au) joined #forth 03:17:31 --- quit: sylk (Client Quit) 03:48:10 --- quit: proteus_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:48:49 --- join: proteus_ (~username@65.191.88.177) joined #forth 03:51:06 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 03:51:14 hi 03:51:18 Hi 03:52:04 read some of tutors 03:52:10 will try, w/ nasm 03:53:13 :) 03:53:21 I'm wondering where to start with my system... 03:53:36 GRUB-boot hello-world, then m/task :) 03:53:51 Thought about writing a very small compiler, load a few blocks of source code at boot, and compile it. 03:54:12 i gotta question 03:56:00 if i got 2 pmode segments - 1 for kernel, 1 for app, can i 'glue' them by some indirection, so they are like linear piece of mem, but keep different perm's ? 03:56:05 --- join: cyberlok (~peters@ip68-0-170-145.tc.ph.cox.net) joined #forth 03:57:16 No idea :) 03:57:35 Hi there, cyberlok 03:57:38 man I been got forevery 03:57:44 forever that is 03:57:47 hello :) 03:58:09 been moving to AZ USA so I kind of dropped off the face of the earth 03:58:26 Neat. 03:58:33 Where did you use to live? 03:58:39 MN USA 03:58:44 and before that Guam 03:59:26 which reminds me I got to build a machine just to be my chat machine 03:59:37 Heh. 03:59:40 Addict :) 03:59:56 I have msn icq irc on 3 different servers and jabber 04:00:06 amazingly enough I use them all 04:00:27 Heh. 04:00:35 but now I own cyberlok.org so it is all good :) 04:00:44 :) Neat. 04:01:16 and I can start development of serverdisk.sf.net again 04:01:28 * Robert checks. 04:02:13 Neat. 04:02:26 http://serverdisk.sourceforge.net/stats2.txt 04:02:31 that is the best part 04:02:36 Write a Forth OS and try to do the same in less than 64kB ;) 04:02:53 be very hard 04:03:32 I could get it in less then 700k but it would not include things like traceroute uptime and full routing and ifconfig clients 04:03:47 Hah.. 04:03:55 Are the NICs equally fast etc.? 04:04:18 they used the same nics in the bench 04:05:03 httpd.asm is only 1092 bytes when compiled 04:05:09 no libs 04:05:18 it uses straight kernel calls 04:05:52 I am tring to get in touch with the hogwash guys to make a equiv to stick on serverdisk 04:05:58 Heh. 04:06:15 Neat. 04:06:22 the kernel also uses a non standard bz2 compression 04:06:38 which is thanks to tomsrtbt 04:07:13 shoot I need to replace that one section in the readme 04:07:27 I have cgi working now and now it is official in the asmutils package 04:07:55 I want to use forth like you would perl or php or other scripting languages for micro OS's 04:08:04 like serverdisk for example 04:08:43 disketting perl or php is so much of a pain it is not even worth it 04:09:16 Then you should write a few string manipulation words :P 04:09:34 Parsing stuff with only c@ and c! would drive me crazy :) 04:09:57 I included fractal's engine 04:10:01 it is really nice 04:10:15 34k using already existing uclibc 04:10:34 can run something as silly as pong if you want 04:10:41 on 700k mind you 04:10:54 :) 04:11:22 but my next edition is going to be a CDrom based one 04:12:19 that is until I get myself a 2 floppy 386 machine 04:14:03 then I am going to do a USB drive/diskette or cdrom based one just to show off the proof of concept 04:14:36 the problem with distros that run entirely in memory is that you cant really run things like email since once the power is cut all the email goes away 04:14:52 has been a real pain in my side lately 04:35:22 use imap 04:35:33 and other serverside type thingies 04:35:45 --- nick: fridge_ -> fridge 04:50:11 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 06:24:51 --- join: tathi (~josh@ip68-9-68-215.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 06:42:15 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 06:46:35 --- join: mur (ammu@baana-62-165-186-226.phnet.fi) joined #forth 06:47:40 : hello ."hello world" ; hello 06:47:46 (now in right window even) 06:50:00 --- quit: lament ("mental mantle") 06:54:29 --- join: lament (~lament@h24-78-145-92.vc.shawcable.net) joined #forth 06:55:13 --- quit: proteus_ (Connection reset by peer) 06:55:18 --- join: yeahright (~username@65.191.88.177) joined #forth 06:57:12 --- join: Stepan (~stepan@pD9E53E0E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 06:57:25 hi 06:59:20 --- join: revanthn (~revanthn@203.129.127.66) joined #forth 07:01:44 --- quit: lament ("mental mantle") 07:03:54 --- quit: yeahright (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07:12:04 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@ip68-14-9-133.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 07:24:56 --- quit: revanthn (Connection timed out) 07:26:55 --- quit: mur ("MURR!") 07:40:19 --- join: mur (jukka@baana-62-165-186-124.phnet.fi) joined #forth 08:47:52 --- quit: mur (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 08:49:22 --- join: mur (jukka@baana-62-165-186-7.phnet.fi) joined #forth 09:05:51 --- quit: Stepan (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:55:50 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@65.191.88.177) joined #forth 11:57:10 Hi proteusguy, 11:58:28 --- join: wossname (wossname@HSE-QuebecCity-ppp80634.qc.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 12:12:11 --- join: I440r (~mark4@sdn-ap-033tnnashP0304.dialsprint.net) joined #forth 12:12:45 hey 12:12:49 hi 12:12:55 are you full now? :) 12:12:56 i gotta pay my isp bill hang on :) 12:12:57 Hi there, mur, wossname, I440r :) 12:13:11 hey there, on the other side of sea, Robert 12:13:16 heylo 12:13:45 and wossname, the one who is on other side of sea of continental of which is separated by sea 12:22:11 Hey Robert. Fix your eggs & chickens? 12:24:30 Hm. 12:24:35 Yes. 12:24:44 I make half an egg, and half a chicken. 12:24:55 Then I'll make the other half in some magical way. 12:24:56 brb 12:24:59 lol 12:28:18 I440r: Have you ever tried getting isforth going under cygwin. 12:28:47 nope 12:29:09 I tried the other day without luck. 12:29:53 prolly got a whole different set of syscalls etc 12:30:01 It produced a .com file (which surprised me) which trapped. 12:30:16 kernel.com 12:30:21 the filename is a joke :) 12:30:49 Yeah - I didn't know how much of the syscalls were emulated or if cygwin only did it through C calls. 12:31:29 cyg prolly has its own version of libc 12:31:32 You're doing the direct asm INT calls instead of c calls right? 12:31:33 (puke) 12:31:42 im not doing ANYTHING in c 12:32:04 thers not one single line of c code anywhere 12:32:08 its ALL syscalls 12:32:21 yep - I wonder if cygwin has linux INT maps. 12:32:50 no idea 12:34:55 Robert: so what did you end up deciding to do? 12:35:26 Hmm. 12:35:37 I actually went to play Warcraft instead. 12:35:49 Ahh - so you scrambled eggs... 12:48:06 :) 12:54:49 --- quit: I440r (Excess Flood) 12:55:04 --- join: I440r (~mark4@sdn-ap-033tnnashP0304.dialsprint.net) joined #forth 13:45:19 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@ip-216-25-202-112.vienna.va.fcc.net) joined #forth 13:45:35 hiya all 13:45:36 tbw! 13:45:45 i got that email off ya but im confuzed :) 13:46:59 hiya I440r!!! 13:47:08 yeah? 13:47:16 heh i dont understand :P 13:48:07 --- nick: TheBlueWizard -> TheBlueWizard-br 13:48:18 --- nick: TheBlueWizard-br -> tbw-brb 13:48:54 :) 13:51:11 blue wizrd 13:55:28 --- nick: tbw-brb -> TheBlueWizard 13:55:42 had to take care of something :-P 13:55:54 * mur visits toilet sometimes too ;) 13:56:00 lol 13:56:14 hiya mur 13:56:17 i added block files to isforth 13:56:21 not released yet tho 13:56:28 want to do the block editor first 13:56:54 I440r: ok, the email that I sent you...that is the project that I was working on for at least 7 months...just run it using Python and see how it works 13:57:41 cool...what kind of block editor? K&P editor? the older type with those I, E, and all that? :) 13:58:27 erm its going to be an editor. not a bunch of forth words to insert a line of text on a specified block on a specified line 13:58:34 thats FUCKED UP 13:58:52 TheBlueWizard, i still havent started finnish tutorial :/ 13:58:53 i allow for up to 256 different block files open at one time 13:59:01 and each block file can have different sized blocks 13:59:06 i am always somehow restricted :( 13:59:53 mur: that's ok...I am quite busy for many months anyway (and not just with my project....the work is slowly eating me alive :-P) 14:00:24 restricted? what do you mean? not enough time? 14:00:44 that too 14:01:30 hi 14:01:39 hey 14:02:27 * mur notices why finns dont translate software. IT'S PAIN BECUASE OF ENGLISH LANGUAGE STRUCTURES 14:02:50 I440r: anyway, in my mathboard project I finally got the cursor movement to work and I implemented the curses based stuff and the cursor movement works there as well (it got functional only last week)...*phew*! the cursor movement is one of the hardest and trickiest thing I've done 14:04:32 mur: hmm....I know Finnish has free word ordering, but it is usually written in SOV ordering...granted, many of those English "function" words (prepositions, conjunctions, etc.) are suffixes in Finnish so one will have to turn stuff around... 14:05:25 mur: so I think what you are trying to say is that one has to translate at semantic level rather than syntactical level, which is indeed much harder 14:06:14 harder if u wanna make it as close 2 the original as possible 14:06:31 right 14:06:41 but as a kickstart a free translation can help much more than no translation 14:06:56 * TheBlueWizard nods 14:07:23 --- log: started forth/02.12.28 14:07:23 --- join: clog (nef@bespin.org) joined #forth 14:07:23 --- topic: 'Forth will NEVER be universally accepted. Haha, up yours lamers | IsForth: runs on linux, coded in x86 asm - http://isforth.clss.net | official forth sites: http://www.ultratechnology.com/forth.htm & http://www.colorforth.com' 14:07:23 --- topic: set by futhin on [Mon Nov 18 11:24:57 2002] 14:07:23 --- names: list (clog TheBlueWizard I440r wossname proteusguy mur Herkamire cyberlok Fractal iangreen skylan onetom Robert TreyB sma XeF4 @ChanServ fridge o-) 14:07:38 just translating w ur own words & using ur local/locales slang is much easier ;) 14:07:51 but one has to be well grounded in both languages, else one will start having a "warped" thought process...this is really bad when switching between English and ASL 14:07:56 hehe, we werent logged 4 a while 14:08:13 ASL? 14:08:16 we are being logged (pointing to clog) 14:08:26 American Sign Language 14:08:31 aha 14:09:27 a good explanation of ASL can be found at http://www.deaflibrary.org/asl.html 14:09:53 thx 14:09:59 do note that ASL has its own grammar which is completely unlike that of English (or Finnish) 14:11:20 * mur means translating sentences liek "cat: catstongue.here tongue not found (2535) tongue" to some better sentences 14:11:33 of course i coudl literally translate but it woudlnt be any better 14:11:43 yeah, i saw it.. i never thought that b4 there is no international sign lang.. 14:12:02 mur: not literally! just by the meaning 14:12:14 mur: its much better than nothin 14:12:14 * mur is translating that kind of sentences 14:12:30 no it is not, because those finns who use this software, can fairly well use english 14:12:39 the idea is somethign else 14:12:40 aha 14:12:44 than to make one understand 14:12:45 what then? 14:12:53 to translate it to finnish 14:12:54 :) 14:12:57 :) 14:13:04 k. cya. bbl 14:13:08 cya one 14:13:40 onetom: there is an "international sign language" of sort...called Gestuno...but it is not really a language at all. It is true that there is no one international sign language at all...I have seen several Russian signs for certain words...very different from ASL...like "friend" for example 14:15:33 sorta like esperonto? it's trying to be the international spoken language, but nobody uses it 14:17:42 hehe 14:17:56 esperanto is not international, it's indoeuropean invented langauge 14:18:02 similar to Esperanto in idea, yeah...but does not have the same level of grammatical "muscles" like Esperanto has 14:18:34 actually, there are a lot of people using Esperanto, from what I read on the Net 14:22:31 * TheBlueWizard supposes I440r has not released IsForth v1.10 yet... 14:23:14 not yet 14:23:19 but ive added quite alot 14:23:31 ive changed the directory structure some 14:23:31 TheBlueWizard: do people write esperanto? 14:23:36 ive added block files as stated above 14:23:42 ive added a decompiler too :) 14:25:25 there is a UseNet newsgroup devoted to Esperanto, so, sure people do write Esperanto...and I know there are some books published in esperanto 14:25:42 I440r: cool! (dr00l) 14:25:51 That computer langauge is fancy 14:25:54 idea 14:26:37 mur: what computer language? 14:28:59 i mean that programming langauge like "human" language 14:29:02 not for programming 14:30:53 are you talking about that "fifth generation language" that was tried in the 80's? 14:35:47 no idea 14:35:53 i just remember there is some concept like that 14:36:03 Good evening. 14:37:16 hiya Robert 14:37:20 * TheBlueWizard nods 14:38:10 that "fifth generation language" was an attempt to make computers "understand" human language (English)...a big failure 14:38:55 hehe 14:39:06 Don't mix man and machine, at least not language-wise :) 14:39:11 * mur points out that finnish does NOT have any exceptions in the langauge 14:39:16 unless all the others 14:39:19 unlike 14:39:33 brb, rebooting to windows 14:39:41 --- quit: I440r ("Reality Strikes Again") 14:41:10 So what? 14:41:12 mur: um...there are a few irregularities in Finnish....the "olen" ("be") verb is one such example 14:41:28 Go program in Finnish rather than Forth then. 14:41:42 TheBlueWizard: Do you know finnish? 14:41:54 TheBlueWizard, sure that that is not just one rule in it :) 14:43:07 Heh. 14:43:11 "Not just one rule"... 14:43:18 That sounds like a very lame excuse. 14:43:20 Robert: some bit...but not fluent in it at all 14:43:37 TheBlueWizard: May I ask why? 14:47:16 ah....it all started with my wanting to invent a written language that would capture the ASL thought process (a written form, if you will, though I do not envision it to be a strict transcripting system)...then in my research, I came across J.R.R.Tolkien's "vice hobby" --- Quenya, and learned he got the inspiration for Quenya from Finnish, which he said it was quite wonderful 14:47:23 hence Finnish 14:47:46 :) 14:48:09 Oh, neat. 14:49:00 lemme find that quote from JRRTolkien on Finnish 14:55:58 http://www.uib.no/People/hnohf/vice.htm 15:08:49 --- join: I440r (~nospam@sdn-ap-033tnnashP0304.dialsprint.net) joined #forth 15:10:08 wb 15:10:35 I see Windows needed 30 minutes to boot :) 15:10:44 hiya I440r again 15:10:55 * TheBlueWizard laughs uproariously 15:12:35 heh, Robert 15:12:42 :) 15:12:45 Heh, mur. 15:12:51 Robert, heh, Robert 15:12:54 i forgot to launch mirc heh 15:13:08 i needed to get into clf and mark 400 mesages as read 15:13:14 ive not been in there in a while :) 15:13:17 "Forgot" IRC? That's no good lie. 15:13:22 Too unlikley. 15:13:35 Robert, get a life, 400 messages take a while! 15:13:41 Aww. 15:13:45 :) 15:13:49 That's why I stay out of it. 15:14:33 lol 15:15:42 Robert, once geekstores have sleep readers dont connect them to irc. you'll get banned the first night! 15:15:45 ;) 15:16:21 * Robert tries to interpret mur's last message. 15:16:39 Robert, but you said you stay out of it :( 15:16:55 What does sleep have to do with CLF? 15:17:11 lol! 15:18:38 first tell me what CLF is and then i can answer 15:18:47 comp.lang.forth 15:18:52 oh 15:18:53 easy....comp.lang.forth 15:18:55 that makes sense 15:18:59 :P 15:19:06 Yup. 15:19:16 write that down on the back of your hand and you're set :) 15:19:19 but isn't that dangerous to say here that you haven't read it >:) 15:20:02 I don't read clf 15:20:09 back. 15:20:15 I have read posts on it a few times, but I didn't fine much interesting. 15:20:15 wb 15:20:18 find even 15:20:21 Hi XeF4. 15:20:35 Robert: I hear that a lot, and so I haven't even tried :) 15:20:42 * XeF4 has tried to devise a Finnish-inflected Forth, with little success.. 15:20:44 if I wanna read some CLF stuff, I'd go to Google group...much quicker 15:20:46 I hear there's way to much ans 15:21:10 XeF4: finnish inflected forth? this I got to see that! :) 15:21:23 The: see the bit about "with little success" 15:22:28 * TheBlueWizard nods 15:23:05 Forth has a way of insisting on everything being patterned in "isolating" mold (like Chinese, maybe) 15:24:32 hrmm.. XeF4 examples examples! 15:25:07 :) 15:25:26 TheBlueWizard, you coudl boost your learning by using finnish langauge in software settings ;) 15:25:55 * mur have used german, japanese and french software 15:26:10 japanese programs didn't made me much more enlightenment.. 15:27:31 --- quit: Herkamire ("spyro time") 15:27:45 hehe...true 15:33:31 * proteusguy is impressed with the appreciation of language amongst this group, especially given the ugliness of forth on a whole. 15:33:57 erm forth ISNT ugly 15:34:01 c is ugly 15:34:04 basic is ugly 15:34:40 forth is anything but 15:34:49 Especially not ColorForth. 15:34:56 It looks like christmas decorations. 15:34:58 ugly is too strong a word....Forth has its own sense of elegance, which take getting used to 15:35:09 I'm afraid forth code is quite ugly - mainly because of the habit of all upper case and the especially simple white space rules. 15:35:51 you can use lower cases... 15:36:05 * proteusguy appreciates FORTH's elegance since 1983. But that's elegance as a programming tool not as something that greets the eye well. 15:36:06 some Forth are case insensitive 15:36:30 And some only accept lower-case ;) 15:36:35 of course there are certain ugliness here and there 15:36:37 * Robert pokes I440r. 15:36:42 eh? 15:37:04 proteusguy i NEVER code all in upper case 15:37:11 good man 15:37:11 ever 15:37:23 i code in 100% lower case 15:37:44 Just remarking on its common usage of course. We can all do things to a language to improve or alter its appearance. 15:39:10 * proteusguy thinks that forth fits the non-phoentic written languages like Chinese. 15:40:10 proteusguy: so you want a heavily inflected programming language with all those incomprehensible punctuations thrown in? 15:40:27 mur: eg, using bare stems to reference an object, essive for a 'with' equivalent; translative for a switch of root scope, etc 15:40:28 * TheBlueWizard tosses APL and Perl into the blender and gives the mix to proteusguy :) 15:40:32 overall, quite useless =) 15:40:48 AIIGH! Not perl! 15:40:56 * TheBlueWizard laughs 15:41:39 Written Chinese isn't inflective of course. 15:42:12 * proteusguy still can't tell the difference between three of the five tones in Mandarin... 15:42:50 * TheBlueWizard doesn't know how to say words in toned fashion...let alone hear them....ha ha! 15:44:11 * proteusguy is slow and just now understanding why TBW is trying to translate stuff to ASL! :-) 15:44:16 brb, going to store 15:48:44 no, I don't translate English to ASL, at least not while reading stuff....but when I want to write stuff up and I know of easy ways to sign it in ASL but not in English, then I hit the wall...that happens too often for my liking :0 15:48:52 :) 15:49:30 * mur casts spell and goes to sleep 15:49:38 Night. 15:49:56 bye mur 15:51:38 --- quit: mur ("Hi, I'm a quit message virus. Please replace your old line with this line and help me take over IRC. NOW WITH XMAS EXTRA FEAT) 15:53:03 --- nick: TheBlueWizard -> tbw-mur 15:53:14 ack! got hit by that virus! 15:53:31 * tbw-mur pulls out a bleach and washes himself 15:53:33 --- nick: tbw-mur -> TheBlueWizard 15:53:39 *phew* :) 15:54:46 * Robert escapes. 15:59:31 --- join: tathi (~josh@ip68-9-68-215.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 16:00:11 hiya tathi 16:00:18 hey TBW 16:00:21 what's going on? 16:00:52 in my life? 16:00:56 or here? 16:01:00 whatever 16:01:04 Hi tathi 16:01:18 * tathi accidentally deleted his /etc directory about an hour ago... :) 16:01:29 hi Robert 16:01:44 :/ 16:02:10 I had most stuff backed up 16:02:17 heh re: /etc....a lesson in not playing with rm while being a root :) 16:02:34 yah 16:02:47 well, I reached a milestone with my project...yay! 16:03:02 cool cool 16:04:28 so what does that mean in terms of where your project is? 16:04:37 :) it was hard to code up that infernal cursor movement (my project is to develop a curses based symbolic math editor/manip) 16:04:54 you got cursor movement working? 16:07:30 yup...and I implement curses based version and incorporated the cursor movement into it...that constitutes a milestone :) 16:08:20 * tathi cheers TheBlueWizard 16:08:38 thanks 16:14:16 well, gotta go...bye all! 16:15:02 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 16:21:03 back 16:21:31 :) 16:26:03 back for a halfinstant. 16:26:11 Finnish is not toned like Chinese. 16:26:26 just grammatically inflected&aggluntinated 16:29:56 Inflection changes the meaning of the word or just the context of the sentence (like assertion vs. question)? 16:32:42 depends on the inflection 16:33:26 so, both 16:33:51 No kidding? Can the change be as dramatic as Mandarin where you're likely to get a completely unrelated word? 16:35:44 er, no, but I'm not referring to tonality 16:36:02 those are just subtle differences in pronounciation.. 16:37:18 --- join: razor123 (C@12-169.121.popsite.net) joined #forth 16:37:50 --- part: razor123 left #forth 16:44:56 Fascinating - I have a weird interest in grammers even though I only speak english. Can read french with my references to help me. 17:02:51 --- quit: proteusguy ("Client Exiting") 17:04:58 --- join: marks (~mark@64.27.199.31) joined #forth 17:07:55 Hi. 17:08:09 hello 17:08:26 marks? 17:08:41 Robert: is he new here? 17:08:52 no, new nick 17:09:02 i440r? 17:09:15 futhin? 17:09:19 onetom: Hey, why do you ask ME? :) 17:09:20 previously mslicker 17:09:39 but I don't drop by that often 17:10:08 heh 17:10:09 Robert: just 2 b polite ;) 17:11:07 I440r: u r mark 2 aint ya? 17:11:29 marks: whats up anyway? 17:12:17 working on a forth, 17:12:35 wanted to see what's hapenning here. 17:13:46 lively conversation :) 17:14:49 yea im a mark :) 17:14:56 im semi afk too :) 17:15:56 hows is your forth progressing? 17:23:27 not too bad, im working on a block editor 17:23:31 i just added blocks to it 17:25:37 I440r shit I have to run but good seeing you again 17:27:09 --- join: I440r_ (~nospam@sdn-ap-033tnnashP0304.dialsprint.net) joined #forth 17:27:11 grrr 17:27:23 fucking network card 17:27:26 ./ 17:27:29 02:25 < cyberlok> I440r shit I have to run but good seeing you again 17:27:29 02:27 -!- I440r_ [~nospam@sdn-ap-033tnnashP0304.dialsprint.net] has joined #forth 17:27:40 eep missed him 17:27:41 thanx :) 17:28:02 --- quit: I440r (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:04:06 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@h-66-167-192-207.ATLNGAHP.covad.net) joined #forth 18:19:10 marks: probably the most interesting news nowdays is the newes release of flux 18:19:23 marks: ynet.com.au/sean 18:20:49 I440r_: have u already tried it? 18:21:30 I440r_: of course it has a dumbass ans kernel but the color4th over it is pretty exciting 18:22:51 not tried flux 18:22:57 or color 4th 18:23:08 why? whats wrong w them? 18:24:23 I'm a colorforther, but have done much with flux. 18:24:25 the flux interface is not so distorted as the chucks c4th 18:24:38 marks: but? 18:25:01 sorry, "have not" 18:25:02 marks: there is some negation missing.. 18:25:06 aha 18:25:24 so what does it mean u r a color4ther? 18:25:37 I work primarily with chuck's colorforth 18:25:42 wow 18:25:53 w the original 1? 18:26:02 yes 18:26:09 hmm... 18:26:18 & what have u done w that? 18:26:47 & what have u managed 2 do w that 1? 18:26:51 http://www.oakland.edu/~maslicke/colorforth/ 18:27:03 yaaay, is that u?!?! 18:27:18 :)) ive just found it some days b4 18:27:25 yes, that's my page 18:27:41 hey, do u have some time 4 me atm? 18:27:52 sure 18:27:56 great 18:28:12 how experienced r u in protected mode? 18:28:38 well, I understand the flat mode chuck uses. 18:28:59 and how his code works. 18:29:08 k 18:29:28 i saw video mode hacked versions on ur page 18:29:40 * onetom opens that page 18:30:36 does anyone know (off topic) a ftp client console linux that when I do a mput it will upload the files and keep the chmod settings the same ? 18:31:04 cyberlok: /me never took care about permissions 18:31:26 marks: so i was wondering about flux in bochs 18:31:52 marks: but bochs doesnt seem 2 support 8bit< linear modes 18:31:55 this web upload is becomming a real pain in the rear no shell so i can chmod myself and ncftp only does one file at a time and with 400+ files sheesh 18:32:32 onetom: I think version on my page require patches to work properly. 18:32:48 the version that runs in bochs 18:33:09 marks: i plan 2 experiment w vesa but i dont know much about how does vesa bios maps 2 pmode mem 18:33:16 you made a version of 4th that works within bochs emu? 18:33:51