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Instructions are optimized if agruments are literals. 04:48:08 onetom: didn't see *that* one yet though ... 04:49:38 its on the 2nd line.. 04:49:48 just ctrl-f mozilla 04:50:01 just ctrl-f in mozilla 2 the word opt 04:50:16 s/2/4/ 06:14:25 --- join: tathi (~josh@wsip68-15-54-54.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 06:40:37 --- join: gTs2 (gTs2@patr530-a237.otenet.gr) joined #forth 06:40:43 --- quit: gTs2 (Remote closed the connection) 06:45:22 re 06:45:26 onetom: i mean, haven't realized the fact you're quoting... 06:46:01 ah 06:47:12 onetom: will have a closer look on it, occasionally 06:48:08 onetom: did you investigate those contrary benchmarks? 06:49:03 not yet 06:50:13 if you want, tell me your opinion then 06:50:31 already reading the 1st 1 06:52:09 mmm 06:52:28 1, VFX Forth, iForth, SwiftForth 06:52:50 2, pF32-386, ProForth, Win32Forth, SwifthForth 06:53:17 --- join: gTs2 (gTs2@212.205.215.237) joined #forth 06:53:31 the intersection of the above 2 sets is {SwiftForth} 06:54:54 cant compare the 2 tests wo having @least 2 elements in the above intersection set 06:57:22 strictly speaking you're right, but that's not my point... 06:58:52 what is it then? 07:01:49 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@wsip68-15-54-54.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 07:02:17 'mornin 07:02:30 yoooooo 07:03:43 onetom: 2 (commercially leading?) software houses and their product families/generations ARE competing in that very way... 07:05:19 hmmm... aaand? 07:05:44 how else should they compete? 07:05:55 or they shouldnt compete? 07:06:30 or the method if competeing is ur problem? 07:07:06 not my problem... 07:07:12 u wanna say such comparision benchmarks r bullshit, coz u can cheat w them? 07:09:25 quality of benchmarks is defined how and what for they're used, because of their often questionable nature 07:09:51 exactly 07:10:40 then look at the surrounding text, bit of revealing, no? 07:11:20 now that i discovered mpe offering as well source for the benchm, it's becoming really interesting 07:12:08 so it can become useful, good 07:18:53 onetom: admittingly, it's subtile. shouldn't take that too seriously, maybe... 07:21:59 --- quit: Herkamire (forward.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:21:59 --- quit: gTs2 (forward.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:22:00 --- quit: o- (forward.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:22:00 --- quit: Stepan (forward.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:22:13 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@wsip68-15-54-54.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 07:24:15 You can download the source code for these benchmarks by FTP (7 Kb zip archive). 07:24:22 quoted from the swift site 07:25:34 --- join: o- (~o@nzym.fi) joined #forth 07:29:48 --- join: gTs2 (gTs2@212.205.215.237) joined #forth 07:30:21 --- quit: gTs2 (Remote closed the connection) 07:30:35 --- join: gTs2 (gTs2@212.205.215.237) joined #forth 07:37:22 --- join: Stepan (~stepan@Charybdis.suse.de) joined #forth 07:39:46 hello 07:39:54 Hi. 07:40:02 what's up 07:42:11 you guys are busy? 07:45:04 gTs2: I was going to respond with "#^@%@$$" or something, but I thought that wouldn't be productive 07:45:37 but I'm doing better now 07:46:38 #^@%@$$ looks like dumbass 07:46:42 but not quite 07:52:14 'morning 07:52:44 Yes...morning 07:53:01 more like afternoon 07:53:31 bye for now 07:53:42 Bye. 07:54:48 --- quit: gTs2 () 08:10:22 --- join: gilbertbsd (~knoppix@67.97.122.120) joined #forth 08:19:25 hey gilbertbsd :) 08:23:40 hi Herkamire 08:23:51 hows pliant ? 08:26:22 gilbertbsd: oh :) I'd already forgotten about it. 08:26:38 thats healthy man! 08:28:01 it seemed centered around the webserver, which didn't seem to work. 08:28:07 plus it doesn't work on PPC 08:29:39 and I tryed dylan, which was too damn slow 08:29:46 (slow to compile) 08:30:00 and it made HUGE binaries 08:30:26 worse is better which is why those otherwise fantastic languages are languishing somewhere 08:30:56 gilbertbsd: huh? 08:31:56 I prefer python to iether of those languages. 08:32:03 ^5 ;) 08:32:13 python is a great language. 08:32:16 and I'd rather use forth 08:32:22 which forth? 08:33:22 fpos, even though it's not finished 08:33:43 are you writing it? 08:34:04 I help a little, but mostly tathi is writing it 08:35:10 how is it going to be different? 08:35:36 It's not for x86, is it? 08:36:25 fpos is a native ppc colorforth 08:36:49 it currently runs only under linux, but it will boot eventually 08:37:00 ah yes I remember now. Its you who does RISC asm. 08:37:12 you said MIPS was one of the best right? 08:37:33 I don't know much about that stuff. 08:37:49 I'm a beginner at asm. 08:38:32 hmmm who then said MIPS was the best? 08:38:37 * gilbertbsd is now lost. 08:38:52 you are doing PPC asm under linux right? 08:38:58 gilbertbsd: whoever said that is a nostalgic 08:39:12 was it you Stepan? 08:39:21 http://www.xs4all.nl/~lennartb/forthhoax.txt is quite fun :) 08:39:49 gilbertbsd: for sure not ;) i like m68k 08:40:15 really? 08:42:09 did CM really write polyForth? 08:45:08 gilbertbsd: yes, I do a tiny bit of PPC asm under linux. 08:47:53 mostly to extend fpos 08:48:03 when I need another syscall or something 09:02:08 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 09:06:37 damn all this "work" I have here at work 09:11:04 do you write forth code for 'work'? 09:22:19 sometimes 09:22:32 I'm currently mired in linux sys-admin stuff 09:22:56 webmaster/postmaster etc 09:23:14 I just added another extention to PHP 09:28:21 --- quit: Stepan ("Do you think it is air you are breathing? Hmm?") 09:41:05 --- join: gTs2 (gTs2@212.205.215.127) joined #forth 09:41:15 --- quit: gTs2 (Remote closed the connection) 09:49:02 --- join: gTs2 (gTs2@212.205.215.127) joined #forth 10:00:30 gTs2: is dumbass some sort of language? 10:15:12 good idea 10:22:28 --- join: gTs42 (gTs2@patr530-a127.otenet.gr) joined #forth 10:25:18 --- quit: gTs42 (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:25:22 --- quit: gTs2 (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:25:29 --- join: gTs42 (gTs2@patr530-a127.otenet.gr) joined #forth 10:25:38 --- quit: gTs42 (Remote closed the connection) 10:25:40 --- join: gTs42 (gTs2@patr530-a127.otenet.gr) joined #forth 10:25:44 --- quit: gTs42 (Remote closed the connection) 10:25:53 --- join: gTs2 (gTs2@patr530-a127.otenet.gr) joined #forth 10:26:10 gTs2: you gunna write a language called "dumbass"? :) 10:26:51 they wrote a language called brainfuck, didn't they 10:30:19 and now something completely different... 10:30:33 :-) 10:30:47 %-D 10:33:53 whats that? 10:34:19 what's what 10:34:44 somesink kompletement different? 10:36:15 never watched flying circus? 10:36:16 some sink? 10:36:22 python. 10:37:30 flying circus is in the air 10:37:58 . 10:38:04 oops 10:39:04 so you guys like forth, huh 10:39:14 can you reccomend me some generic-forth book to read 10:39:22 better if it is a pdf or something 10:39:46 beginner? 10:41:07 gts2 what about all the urls i posted the other day? 10:42:03 oh yeah 10:42:07 * gTs2 goes to check the logs 11:12:52 --- quit: dunno (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 11:26:58 --- join: dunno (~jhrjhmjh@pD950F001.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 11:27:13 --- quit: gilbertbsd ("Client Exiting") 11:38:35 --- quit: gTs2 () 11:41:41 --- join: I440r (~mark4@sdn-ap-032tnnashP0116.dialsprint.net) joined #forth 12:03:03 Hi :) 12:03:37 hi :) 12:19:16 --- join: wossname (wossname@HSE-QuebecCity-ppp82254.qc.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 12:44:12 --- quit: skylan (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:44:46 --- join: skylan (sjh@Riverview66.tbaytel.net) joined #forth 12:47:43 --- quit: wossname (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: countwoss!wossname@HSE-Sherbrooke-ppp79313.qc.sympatico.ca))) 12:48:05 --- join: wossname (wossname@HSE-Sherbrooke-ppp79313.qc.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 13:39:26 --- quit: Herkamire ("leaving") 13:39:48 --- join: onetom_ (~tom@novtan.bio.u-szeged.hu) joined #forth 13:43:56 --- quit: onetom (Remote closed the connection) 13:48:40 --- join: Stepan (~stepan@pD9E5371E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 14:38:12 --- quit: Stepan ("Client Exiting") 14:44:21 --- join: Stepan (~stepan@pD9E5371E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 15:52:29 --- quit: Stepan (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 15:54:30 re 15:55:06 Hey Speuler. 15:56:03 griets 15:57:11 :) 16:03:51 --- join: Stepan (~stepan@pD9E5371E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 16:03:51 --- quit: Stepan (Client Quit) 16:10:23 --- join: NoamTuring (xru52729fj@ip3-136.vancbc01g01.dialup.ca.telus.com) joined #forth 16:12:36 --- part: NoamTuring left #forth 16:19:35 --- join: lament (~lament@24.78.145.92) joined #forth 16:30:19 --- quit: wossname ("night night") 17:10:50 --- join: tcn (tcn@tc3-login34.megatrondata.com) joined #forth 17:14:23 hi tcn 17:14:42 hi 17:15:22 --- join: gTs2 (gTs2@212.205.244.221) joined #forth 17:16:10 what you working on these days ? 17:16:24 ouzo drinking 17:17:12 yooooo 17:17:16 ibanezman 17:17:44 ouzo is hard shit :) 17:18:02 yeah, well i didn't download ouzo...but tsipouro 17:18:40 it's so aromatic and sweet 17:27:22 hey I440r 17:27:29 how's it going man 17:28:03 not too bad, a little slow 17:28:03 talk to me dude 17:28:25 why hurry... ;) 17:29:47 :) 17:29:54 sooo 17:29:59 i'm gonna ask you something... 17:30:06 did you listen to it ? 17:30:21 (man that tsipouro was da bomb...my head reels) 17:30:27 s/reels/is reeling 17:32:39 yea i listned :) 17:32:39 not sure if i like it but not sure if i dont :) 17:32:53 yeah 17:32:59 heh 17:33:05 i think you feel much like the same way i lsitened to it 17:33:10 it's just "what?!" 17:33:22 when i first listened to it, i didn't "get it" 17:33:41 it took me about a year to understand what is going 17:33:43 (on) 17:34:11 i'd suggest, you listen to the first three minutes (before the first "boom") and try to pass those first three minutes throu your systen 17:34:16 that, of course, ifyou feel like it 17:34:30 if you feel like you're going to like it if you understand it 17:34:52 this piece sets the standards for "complex music" for about a hundred years 17:35:56 but if you think "what the heck is this piece of crap?! why am i listening to it?!" then just let it go... 17:36:00 your choice 17:36:04 so 17:36:08 anything else? 17:36:54 yay complex music 17:37:12 you dig? 17:38:03 not sure 17:38:20 all music is complex, isn't it? :) 17:38:28 nope :) 17:38:38 what kinda music do you enjoy to listen to, normaly? 17:38:55 good music :) 17:39:03 melodic/rhythmic? acoustic/synthesized? fast/slow? instrumental/vocal? 17:39:10 all of the above? experimental? 17:39:17 just "weird"/"out of space" ? 17:39:22 no, just good 17:39:25 good music, huh? 17:39:27 if it's good, i'll listen to it 17:39:28 ok, then, take this 17:41:01 hm 17:41:06 (wait a sec) 17:42:07 there ya go 17:42:10 enjoy 17:43:00 yay, 2k/s 17:47:29 is there a .ck domain? 17:48:08 because i want to refer spammers to suk.co.ck 17:48:21 HAHAHA 17:49:37 heh 17:55:15 --- quit: dunno ("'bye") 18:07:42 --- quit: I440r ("Reality Strikes Again") 18:39:15 --- quit: tcn () 18:59:44 --- quit: gTs2 () 19:06:09 --- join: Stepan (~stepan@pD9E5371E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 19:06:16 re 19:09:53 --- quit: Stepan (Client Quit) 20:16:02 --- quit: fridge ("http://lice.codehack.com") 21:47:43 --- quit: Speuler (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 21:56:51 --- join: Speuler (~l@mnch-d9ba41b1.pool.mediaWays.net) joined #forth 21:59:23 --- join: cabbage (cabbage@AC846B57.ipt.aol.com) joined #forth 22:00:49 --- part: cabbage left #forth 22:08:02 --- join: fridge (meldrum@zipperii.zip.com.au) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/02.12.13