00:00:00 --- log: started forth/02.12.10 00:54:27 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 00:54:36 hi 00:55:52 --- quit: Serg_Penguin (Client Quit) 01:26:02 --- quit: proteusguy (Remote closed the connection) 02:09:59 --- quit: Soap` (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 02:11:25 --- quit: Stepan ("Client Exiting") 02:32:05 --- quit: lament ("mental mantle") 03:32:02 --- quit: onetom (forward.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 03:33:22 --- join: onetom (~tom@novtan.bio.u-szeged.hu) joined #forth 05:11:33 --- nick: CaffeineJunkie -> Speuler 05:12:05 g'd morning 05:13:07 Good afternoon. 05:15:23 greetz the_rob 05:19:36 --- quit: skylan ("bbl") 06:38:10 --- join: tathi (~josh@wsip68-15-54-54.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 06:45:13 --- quit: Speuler ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.2.1") 06:46:32 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@wsip68-15-54-54.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 06:58:50 --- join: Speuler (~l@mnch-d9ba4149.pool.mediaWays.net) joined #forth 06:59:06 re 06:59:15 Hi Speuler 07:01:20 Hi Speuler, Herkamire. 07:51:46 --- join: Stepan (~stepan@Charybdis.suse.de) joined #forth 07:51:51 Hey dudes 07:59:36 Welcome Stepan 08:03:40 anyone interested in working on a free IEEE1275-1994 implementation (Open Firmware)? 08:05:14 not I 08:10:42 Herkamire: heard of OpenBIOS? http://www.freiburg.linux.de/OpenBIOS/ 08:17:57 hey Stepan 08:18:07 how's OpenBIOS coming, anyway? 08:20:47 tathi: still working on the basics.. trying to seperate the native code from the forth code further more and to get vocabularies and package support working 08:24:28 so...what are you looking for people to do? 08:31:36 i've started at a lot of different places, like path resolution, instance creation. I also wrote an fcode evaluator that partially works, but it lacks a lot of functions 08:33:52 i am trying to fight many places at once.. leaving some of them for someone else would be cool 08:34:14 i am not really experienced in forth, just learned it for this project 08:34:24 gotcha 08:35:10 Unfortunately I don't really have the time to help 08:35:26 so, any help is appreciated,.. also reading the source, testing, and telling "this sucks, because of blabla foo" 08:37:31 well, I'll take a look when I get the chance then... 08:41:47 cool! If you, or anyone else, is interested and wants to gossip, we're always on #OpenBIOS, here on freenode 08:57:34 --- join: TreyB (~trey@cpe-66-87-192-27.tx.sprintbbd.net) joined #forth 09:08:18 --- join: iusris (~iusris@pcp418558pcs.martnz01.ga.comcast.net) joined #forth 09:09:42 q; what's the best forth implementation out there? I'm sure it a matter of taste, but does anyone have any suggestions? 09:14:01 there is no best forth implementation.. it's rather a matter what you want to do with it 09:15:17 isforth is nice if you have an x86 linux box 09:16:04 I'm running linux on PPC, so I mostly just roll my own 09:16:05 well. i.e. if you have no libc, gforth is not an option.. otherwise it provides a lot of nice stuff 09:16:18 rolling one.. hmm 09:16:49 Stepan: I'm currently on my fifth implementation :) 09:16:52 I think 09:22:34 tathi: native code? 09:36:26 this one, yes 09:37:22 some of my earlier ones were direct or indirect threaded 09:38:32 * tathi is being harrassed by stupid clients who don't know what they want, so isn't paying much attention :( 09:41:39 * TreyB has "real work" to do, so he also doesn't pay much attention :-) 09:47:29 thati: that's why they pay you money.. because they dont have clue 09:52:00 Stepan: no, they're very particular...it's just impossible to get them to take a close look at something and decide if it's what they want until I give them a "finished product" 09:52:39 and then of course they want all the changes to be made instantly, if not sooner 09:53:01 tathi: make a functional specification beforehand and let them pay every additional change extra. that helps a lot 09:53:32 your wallet as well as your nerves 09:54:41 yeah, we do that to some extent 09:55:03 it's not actually that bad, I'm just fed up with it today 09:58:47 hehe.. i know _exactly_ what you mean :) 10:01:50 what do you do for work? 10:03:14 mostly working for a linux distributor (SuSE), doing 64bit porting and such. 10:05:00 but most of my customers experience is from the times where i was working for myself 10:13:20 --- quit: Stepan ("Do you think it is air you are breathing? Hmm?") 10:24:06 --- join: skylan (sjh@Rockcliffe40.tbaytel.net) joined #forth 10:24:36 --- quit: Fractal (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 10:39:02 it's not hard to write a simple forth in C 11:23:44 --- join: Stepan (~stepan@p50847652.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 12:33:20 --- join: wossname (wossname@HSE-QuebecCity-ppp82258.qc.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 14:05:19 --- join: proteusguy (~username@65.191.88.177) joined #forth 14:08:28 --- quit: wossname ("gotta go f00ding") 14:13:31 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 14:14:26 --- quit: Herkamire ("leaving") 14:53:09 --- join: tcn (tcn@tc1-login42.megatrondata.com) joined #forth 14:54:35 Hi tcn :) 14:54:44 good morning :) 14:55:14 Day changed to 11 Dec 2002 14:55:14 00:00 < Robert> Hi tcn :) 14:55:14 00:00 < tcn> good morning :) 14:55:17 ;) 14:55:24 heh 14:55:29 But..sure, good morning. 15:23:38 hey look, someone took over Retro 15:27:38 Huh? 15:27:47 Who, what, when? 15:28:53 retroforth.sf.net 15:34:46 yay 15:34:50 yet another forth 15:35:24 just a continuation of an existing one :) 15:43:12 tcn: :) ive seen that 15:43:18 --- join: dunno (~jhrjhmjh@pD9E4EB47.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 15:44:19 tcn: i friend of mine - who knows about the existence of forth only 4 some weeks - told me he has met the news about retro as the 1st news on freshmeat 15:44:43 tcn: he told me: yaaay, the forth is chasing me!! 15:45:29 & yaaay is actually jaaaj in hungarian, what means: oh, my god 15:45:49 what??? heh 15:45:57 btw, most ppl is frustrated hearing about forth from me 15:46:12 coz they cant understand what am i talkin about 15:46:35 they keep me askin: if forth is so good, why isnt it more popular? 15:47:07 & when i say, have a look @ ps, coz its forth in fact 15:47:31 they complain because a ps interpreter is not a 4th prg 15:47:51 hahaha 15:47:54 just because u doesnt run it like: gforth ps.4th 15:48:14 most people at work call me brain damaged 15:48:20 because I'm learning it 15:48:23 its really hard 2 explain ppl what 4th is :) 15:48:34 fridge: same here ;) 15:49:09 & cant stand refering 2 forth when they r suckin w sg in linux 15:49:24 "any language where you can redefine what '2' means is evil" 15:49:27 was one comment I got 15:49:54 forth is refered 2 as my idol, my fetish 15:50:14 fridge: nice 1 :D 15:50:59 hopefully ive started becoming so bright about forth that now i can already show them examples 15:51:14 like 2 this question: 15:51:31 how can u convert a hexdump back into binary? 15:51:36 the format is: 15:51:48 A4 33 74 9D FF 01 00 .... 15:52:04 & i told them: 15:52:43 ( echo ": x begin 32 word ?number while emit repeat ; hex x" ; cat | awk '{print(tolower($0))}' ; echo "bye") | forth 15:53:07 where the main stuff is 15:53:11 : x begin 32 word ?number while emit repeat ; hex x 15:53:35 coz tile forth recognises only lowercase hex numbers 15:53:56 it was my 1st real success 15:53:58 Good night, all. 15:54:01 bye 16:02:16 --- join: gTs2 (gTs2@patr530-b227.otenet.gr) joined #forth 16:05:42 www.delosoft.com "powered by forthscript" . /me don't know that one 16:06:06 probably because they're win-centric 16:07:27 --- join: lament (~lament@h24-78-145-92.vc.shawcable.net) joined #forth 16:07:34 but would be the first site i see using forth for their html pages - probably server-side , cgi 16:49:39 speuler: there's a forth bb out there, or 2 ? 16:57:41 sean pringle's enth page has a young bb: http://ynet.com.au/sean/forum.html 16:57:48 dunno: yes, right. command driven, forth words as commands. 16:59:13 i heard there's a bigger one in russia called eserve ... anyone has a pointer? 17:00:47 --- join: wossname (wossname@HSE-QuebecCity-ppp82258.qc.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 17:07:32 --- quit: gTs2 () 17:32:58 --- part: tcn left #forth 17:52:45 --- quit: Stepan ("Client Exiting") 17:56:15 Speuler: that team made the dragon forth, which is another nice 4th 4 the palm devs 18:57:24 --- quit: dunno ("bye") 19:47:17 --- quit: wossname ("i am the queen of france~~~!_@$_@$!") 21:02:38 * iusris installs gforth 21:14:27 Ok, I guess gforth doesn't like gcc3.2; isforth it is, then. 21:18:14 I have gforth and gcc3.2 21:19:55 I tried with 2.95 & 3.1, neither worked 21:25:12 it just hung when attempting to use the gforth binary- as in the KnownIssues for 3.01 21:25:15 * iusris sighs 21:58:29 --- quit: Speuler (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21:59:32 --- join: Speuler (~l@mnch-d9ba4f1b.pool.mediaWays.net) joined #forth 22:22:29 --- join: Klaw (chuck@ip68-4-243-214.oc.oc.cox.net) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/02.12.10