00:00:00 --- log: started forth/02.11.14 00:34:58 --- join: bwb (~bwb@ip68-4-124-131.oc.oc.cox.net) joined #forth 00:35:59 hey 00:48:25 --- quit: Serg_penguin (Killed (NickServ (Nickname Enforcement))) 00:48:26 --- join: Serg_p (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 00:48:34 hi 00:53:19 hey 00:53:21 sup? 00:54:02 hi, work hard now, ask if something hot 01:06:46 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@65.191.88.177) joined #forth 01:23:09 hi 01:25:19 --- quit: Serg_p (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:25:24 --- quit: bwb ("later") 01:32:29 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 01:43:32 z 02:09:55 z 02:26:26 --- quit: pyromania (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:35:45 --- part: Serg_Penguin left #forth 02:36:25 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 02:44:59 --- quit: thin (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:56:10 --- quit: lament ("Client Exiting") 03:19:13 --- quit: Soap` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:58:04 --- part: Serg_Penguin left #forth 03:58:07 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 03:58:35 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 04:06:33 --- join: pyromania (~pyromania@dialup-192.128.221.203.acc02-high-pen.comindico.com.au) joined #forth 05:13:44 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 05:13:53 hi 05:35:17 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 05:39:43 --- join: fridge (meldrum@zipperii.zip.com.au) joined #forth 05:47:03 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 05:54:31 --- quit: Serg_Penguin (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06:09:12 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@wsip68-15-54-54.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 06:28:23 are there any large freeware applications written in forth? 06:37:54 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 06:48:56 --- join: tathi (~josh@wsip68-15-54-54.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #forth 06:49:46 fridge: I don't, but I haven't looked. There are a bunch of free software forth compilers 06:50:08 hi 06:53:53 hd surg 06:54:05 s/u/e 06:54:41 can I go back to bed? 06:54:52 I'm just looking for large real world apps like text editors, mail clients, games? etc 06:55:10 or if its usually for things like embedded application 06:55:46 I don't know. 06:55:51 there are some operating systems 06:57:58 hopefully someone who knows about this will wake up. I really haven't been very interested in other people's forth code. (except maybe Jeff Fox and Chuck Moore's) 06:59:04 http://www.lightsoft.co.uk/zex/index.html (space game with a forth engine, been under development for a while, by the guys that made the Fantasm assembler for 68K/PPC) 06:59:27 unfortunately it looks like they took most of the docs about the forth stuff off the site... 06:59:50 wow! 07:00:04 wasn't expecting 3d games 07:00:12 more like a scroller oldschool 07:00:42 IIRC, they started writing it 100% in C, but it was too slow and inflexible, so they added a forth engine and now have a large chunk of the code in forth :) 07:02:24 a guy on comp.lang.forth a while back had a news client that he was using 07:03:01 he hadn't released it -- said it wasn't quite ready for public consumption, but good enough for him to use 07:06:24 * Serg_Penguin can make news client out of perl and netcat 07:06:39 at least primitive one 07:07:06 didnt do news but messed w/ pop3/smtp 07:07:43 perl makes me sad 07:09:30 2 much fat, i agree 07:09:44 and obfuscate syntax 07:23:18 z 07:28:20 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 07:38:02 --- join: onetom_ (~tom@novtan.bio.u-szeged.hu) joined #forth 07:38:15 --- quit: onetom (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 07:38:35 --- join: Serg_Penguin (~Z@nat-ch1.nat.comex.ru) joined #forth 07:40:24 --- join: neobrat (~neobrat@h-64-105-21-62.DNVTCO56.covad.net) joined #forth 07:54:58 --- join: I440r (~mark4@sdn-ap-002tnnashP0455.dialsprint.net) joined #forth 07:55:52 hey I440r, i gotta som tiger-size bugs 4u :) 07:55:53 Did you want me anything earlier? 07:56:20 yea ? 07:56:25 --- quit: Serg_Penguin () 07:56:31 argh he left! 07:56:35 You messaged me yesterday... 07:56:35 heh 07:56:35 Hehe 07:56:37 yea 07:57:06 http://robert.zizi.org/ <-- is that YOUR page ??? :) 07:57:14 Yeah. 07:57:20 Hosted on an old pentium in the basement :P 07:57:28 well --- your hired :P 07:57:36 can you do me an isforth web page ? 07:57:42 For? Writing boring manuals for IsForth for no payment? 07:57:46 Haha, almost :P 07:57:56 Well... Thing is, I stole that page :) 07:58:01 www.oswd.org 07:58:18 I need to work on my own page... 07:58:41 Link section needs to be updated, and half of the projects on the page died when I was like 13 08:11:01 dang :P 08:26:53 --- join: XeF4 (xef4@lowfidelity.org) joined #forth 08:36:19 there is a TheFox and a thin on ircnet right now and BOTH are imposters heh 08:39:31 "imposters"? 08:40:57 excellent, does that mean we get a break from the real ones? 08:42:12 * Robert hears a Fox-and-futhin critical voice. 08:42:36 lol 08:48:44 --- quit: pyromania (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08:50:19 has anyone got "Starting Forth" ? 08:50:28 I looked on amazon, its out of print =( 08:52:23 I haven't got it. 08:58:49 hey guys 08:59:20 check libraries 08:59:28 it's a fun book 08:59:40 it would be nice if someone put that book entirely online 08:59:48 like "Stack Computers" -- loved that one 09:11:46 amazson sells out of print books 09:12:15 I think thin may have asked the author about putting it online... 09:12:49 leo brodie 09:13:20 thanks, I couldn't remember his name for some reason 10:04:30 hi I440r 10:04:51 hi :) 10:05:56 i440r, do you have any docs for isforth yet?:) 10:06:18 well, not REALY, im working on a help system slowly 10:06:29 short descriptions of each word in the kernel 10:06:48 ive done them for compile.1, exec.1 and part of io.1 10:06:49 oh. okay. 10:07:12 ill be doing the same for the extensions PLUS in depth descriptions of all the major functions in the extensions 10:07:33 meanwhile ya got the source and you know where i hide :) 10:07:44 is isforth in line mode or character at a time mode by default? i'm trying to figure that out. ehehe. 10:08:02 hrm.. i think character at a time. 10:08:11 * OrngeTide is dumb. he just ran 'key' and figured it out. 10:08:12 character at a time 10:08:28 i was trying to read the src instead of just doing it the easy way. DOH! 10:08:31 heh 10:08:48 i found a tetris written in forth. i was just going to tweak it to run under isforth 10:09:13 if you look in isforth.f you will see the first FORTH thing it calls is a word called defauklt 10:09:15 erm 10:09:16 defauklt 10:09:18 alirseutgwileytruioq 10:09:21 d e f a u l t 10:09:27 (mental not to learn to type) 10:09:37 hehee. 10:09:54 this is a defered word that points to a headerless colon def called init 10:09:57 init calls initterm 10:10:07 http://www.orangetide.com/forth/tt.pfe <-- that's the original src. 10:10:19 I440r, gotcha! 10:10:28 ALOT of initialization words defer into default 10:10:39 : some-init defers default do lotsa shit here ; 10:10:47 you know how "defers" works ? 10:12:15 defers is an immediate. it fetches the body of the specified defered word and compiles that address into itself. it then stores the cfa of the word invoking it into the defered word 10:12:24 : x defers y blah blah ; 10:12:30 y is a defered word pointing to foobar 10:12:42 "defers" compiles the address of foobar into the definition for x 10:12:49 and then points the defered word at x 10:13:09 so when the defered word runs it runs x and X runs the word previously pointed to by y 10:13:11 oh. okay 10:13:12 get it ? 10:13:25 default is the defered initialization chain 10:13:33 atexit is the defered deinitialization chain 10:13:34 so your building kind of a linked list. but with code? 10:13:39 BYE calls atexit 10:13:42 yes 10:13:52 that's cool:) 10:14:09 i didnt invent it hehe 10:14:38 so i wouldn't need to define an entry point. i'd just make a function that had defers default in it. default is like the entry point but defers makes sure it enters all the routines i want. 10:14:48 yah. i just never had it explained very clearly. 10:15:18 you understand defered words right? 10:15:21 yes. 10:15:28 ok. 10:15:34 defer x 10:15:37 ' blah is x 10:15:45 when you run x you run blah 10:15:50 right. 10:15:54 : foo defered x ...... ; 10:15:56 hey, I finally get your defers thing :) 10:15:59 the definition for FOO will be 10:16:07 : foo blah ..... ; 10:16:11 and x will point at foo 10:16:21 --- quit: proteusguy (Remote closed the connection) 10:16:24 you can also do 10:16:37 ": foo ...... defers x ; 10:16:38 asm{ move.i d0 d0 }asm \ do you think that's okay? 10:16:48 this will put foo at the HEAD of the defered chain 10:16:54 ,d0 ,d0 ,move.i \ or is this better? 10:17:06 * OrngeTide hrms 10:17:07 erm bas ackwards asm sux heh 10:17:13 isnt that an effective NOP ? 10:17:19 yah. i know you don't like backwards x86 asm. how about backwards m68k ? :P 10:17:30 i440r, yes. that's just an example. 10:17:35 no. i dont like backwards ANY assembler 10:17:51 okay. how about the first way. is the asm{ thing okay? or is that too C-like? 10:18:20 erm i see alot of people using { } chars in forth and it always makes me cringe heh 10:18:29 they use them for local variables etc. 10:18:42 for local variables? 10:18:47 thers no reason why other than YES the brace is a C thing :) 10:18:54 yes locals { x y z } 10:19:03 oh. that's kinda freaky:P 10:19:04 ive seen stuff like that before 10:19:07 i dont like locals 10:19:20 locals are not forth. dont tell marcel hendrix i said that tho hehe 10:19:30 i prefer to keep stuff on the stack than to come up with names for little local temp variables. 10:20:10 that's one thing i don't like in C. i have to name everything. bah 10:20:41 thats one of the reason forth is so much better. chuck even went as far as to do sourceless programming 10:20:45 functions are easy to name. because they actually do something. a variable isn't always easy to name because it doesn't do anything, it just is something. 10:20:57 simply because he felt that NAMING stuff is what causes all the problems in other languages 10:21:24 its like a register. just name your variables x1 x2 x3 x4 x5...... hehe 10:21:29 I440r: I understand how your deffer thing works, but I don't see the usefullness of it 10:21:42 ok 10:21:48 i create a defered init chain 10:21:56 I440r: for init why don't you just do: : default word quit find if execute then bye ; 10:21:59 later i extend and add terminal stuff (term.f) 10:22:02 i440r, most of my variables are named i,j,k and x,y,z,t depending on what i'm doing. 10:22:15 theres stuff that my term code needs to know at BOOT time (forth boot time) 10:22:16 like the size of the terminal 10:22:31 so. i defer it into init to run a word that gets the current terminal size 10:22:37 it just needs to know that before you use the terminal 10:22:45 * OrngeTide wonders about SIGWINCH in isforth:) 10:22:48 forth needs to know the 'cols' etc 10:23:01 sigwinch ? 10:23:16 i440r, yes. it's a signal you get when the terminal changes size:) 10:23:25 : quit term_init ..._init main ; 10:23:57 in telnet, ssh and xterm the terminal resize event is passed along OOB to the terminal driver. which then SIGWINCH's the applications. 10:24:07 s/terminal/pseudo-terminal 10:24:29 its a signal 10:24:32 right. 10:24:42 isforth doesnt trap signals yet 10:24:45 it will need to 10:25:03 for JUST this reason heh 10:25:11 now i know what your talking about lol 10:25:34 if you change teh size of the terminal (make it bigger) do a (?term) 10:25:38 that will fix things :) 10:26:27 yah. you'll want to to SIGPIPE,SIGINT,SIGCONT,SIGSTOP and SIGQUIT bare minimum i think. 10:26:30 that tetris looks cool - but it can be done far better in isforth 10:26:36 I440r: ok, I see. you need defer because of your turnkey thing 10:26:46 it can be done with COLOR in isforth :) 10:26:53 I440r, i don't like colors:P 10:27:06 lol 10:27:16 OrngeTide: what forth does the tetris work in now? 10:27:23 two of my computers don't have color displays. 10:27:32 Herkamire: PFE .. it's a DOS forth. 10:27:48 I440r, maybe i should just do it from scratch then? 10:27:49 oh well :) 10:27:50 pfe works all over the place even linux\ 10:27:57 but its not a real forth :) 10:28:02 isn't it done in C? 10:28:07 --- join: pyromania (~pyromania@dialup-22.128.221.203.acc02-high-pen.comindico.com.au) joined #forth 10:28:07 I440r: you're not a real forth 10:28:08 OrngeTide sure - would be interesting :) 10:28:09 yes. 10:28:14 thats what makes it not real :) 10:28:20 i know - but im working on it :) 10:28:33 yah. the more i look at isforth the more i realize how much more work my C forths were. 10:29:15 im not a big fan of c forths, but bigforth and gforth are actually quite good 10:29:17 my friend freaked out when i told him i'll probably just do my server software in pure compiled forth instead of doing it in C and then having a crappy forth interpreter front-end. 10:29:24 im sure pfe is awesome but ive never looked at it 10:29:36 i dont want to diss its creator, he is well respectd from what ive seen 10:29:37 (actually my forth wasn't so crappy. it was a virtual machine for a machineForth-like cpu) 10:30:15 i wrote the VM in C. and all the forth was done in machine code and forth. it doesn't really do anything except parse input right now. (routines written in the VM) 10:30:43 although if i do my whole server in forth there would still be advantages to using the VM for parts of it. 10:31:05 i gotta go sort out paying a bill, ill brb 10:31:44 I440r: i didn't like gforth that much. although i used some ideas from it to write my own direct-threaded forth in C. (because GNU C lets you get addresses of labels) 10:32:11 i didn't finish my forth. it could only do basic operations and stuff. 10:32:35 well more than + and - .. like parse itself and do : definitions. 10:34:48 OrngeTide: you writing a web server? what will it do? 10:36:08 Herkamire: it's a graphical role playing game server. :P 10:36:36 OrngeTide: oh, yeah :) 10:36:43 it's object oriented, but with my own OO system. it's somewhat similar to Smalltalk OO. 10:36:59 it's really just a glorified MUD. but i don't like calling it a MUD. 10:37:09 cool 10:37:15 I've done a little programming in Squeak 10:37:32 i never used squeak or smalltalk or anything like htat. 10:38:43 my goal is to charge a small fee for access to my system. people groan about charging for anything in the internet. but on the otherhand people forget that i pay $200/mo for colo. 10:40:05 what do you think of taking donations instead of charging? 10:40:20 that won't pay my bills 10:40:55 i run a shell server using donations. i still fork out about $100/mo from my own pocket. 10:40:58 it does for dyndns.org 10:41:05 that's totally different. 10:41:18 lower bandwidth etc? 10:41:23 exactly. 10:41:38 how much bandwidth do you get for $200/mo? 10:41:39 i actually pay per bit. 10:42:14 I can do 30Gbytes/month. 10:42:38 about. they give it to me in different numbers but that's what it works out to 10:42:38 ahh, ok 10:42:58 i actually get a good deal. most people can only do about 8GB/mo for that price. 10:43:21 yeah, my place says Kbps and bills "at the 90th percentile" :) it's a hord to say the GB/month 10:49:15 back 10:49:48 OrngeTide i rana shell server FREE for anyone - but i had dsl then (i miss my dsl!) 10:49:48 we pay $61.25/month for 128Kbps at the 95th percentile 10:50:12 i had unlimited thruput heh and a static ip 10:50:16 and 384/384 10:51:21 cool CSCO is gaining back a little bit of what it lost. its above where i baught it atain 10:51:22 well my shell server is at a massive colo with 100Mbps burstable. :P 10:51:23 again 10:51:37 OrngeTide how many peope you have with accounts? 10:52:00 like 50+ 10:52:31 i need to reinstall my box. between having 4 people with root we really messed it up so some things are broken on it. 10:52:38 i had about 30 or 40 ppl over different times 10:52:55 i got rooted once and lost (but later recovered) 10 years of assembler source library 10:53:07 you should have ONE root 10:53:19 i usually have 45-50 clients logged in at a time. 10:53:23 i440r, why? 10:53:31 i don't want to maintain this by myself. too busy. 10:53:50 still. ONE root and many admin 10:53:52 so i have some trusted friends. but the problem was we don't all install stuff the same way so we had shit in /usr/local/lib and /usr/lib 10:54:04 i440r, well yes. one root account. but each admin could sudo into it 10:54:12 install debian and let APT and DPKG take care of where shit goes 10:54:17 debian sucks. 10:54:20 debian has the only SANE directory tree anyway 10:54:33 and it wouldn't work for my server because we run stuff that isn't available through debian. 10:54:44 debian is the only canned distro worth using 10:54:51 gentoo is far better. 10:54:51 aha 10:54:58 i love gentoo. it's the best. slackware is 2nd best. 10:55:07 but it's a distant second. 10:55:33 distro wars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 heh 10:55:36 i'd install freebsd before i would install debian again. i used to be a complete debian fan. but the politics surrounding that distro are annoying. 10:55:48 i had a big massive war with them trying to get some important packages in there. 10:55:58 you know your channel has made it wheh 98% of the people in it just idle and the other 2% argue distros :) 10:56:15 ehehhe. 10:57:16 hmm...I440r...if you ever port isforth to other platforms you may have to change bits of your forth code... 10:57:16 --- join: Forth (~Forth@sdn-ap-002tnnashP0455.dialsprint.net) joined #forth 10:57:25 i started working on the decompiler in isforth again 10:57:34 tathi which bits 10:57:41 i assumed that would be the case heh 10:57:45 alpha, mips, ppc, sh, and sparc define the get-win-size ioctl # as something other than 0x5413 10:57:54 if it's only bits that's fine. as long as it's not bytes or kilobytes of changes. 10:58:14 I thought that would be consistent within linux... 10:58:20 thats ok because every single one of those will have TOTALLY different soruces 10:58:29 ah 10:58:37 im not interleaving 284975624937865 different versions of isforth into the same fscking source files :) 10:58:53 remember. isforth does not support and will NEVER support conditional compilation 10:58:58 i440r, i would. except i'd break it up into 3 levels. 10:59:04 unless a user adds it. and it will only then work for HIS code :) 10:59:24 and only combine the highest levels. and the two low-levels would be mostly indepedent. 11:00:08 i440r, you could just have it target all architectures simotanously. ehhehehe 11:00:19 woohoo 63% of this ISO im downloading :) 11:00:22 at less than 56k :P 11:03:18 hrm. i can download warez from this website for a $15/mo subscription. it's a archive of a bunch of alt.binaries groups. they have a BUNCH of anime divxs there. i wonder how you can run a company that sells stolen material? :P 11:04:15 * OrngeTide installs a news reader... :P 11:05:03 your not selling it, your selling your services and DISTROBUTING teh stolen shit :) 11:05:15 distributing it is illegal in most countries too:P 11:05:26 "I'm not selling crack, i'm mearly distributing it" :P 11:05:31 i know :) 11:05:54 my morals are strong enough to stop me from stealing anime that i can't normally buy. 11:06:18 s/are/are not 11:06:28 i wish i wouldn't invert the meaning of my sentences like that. 11:07:56 lol 11:10:54 * OrngeTide installs SLRN. 11:11:01 i swear S-Lang is so weird. 11:13:38 they prolly say the same of forth :) 11:14:41 have you seen S-Lang? 11:14:48 it's a C-like scripting langauge. except with a stack. 11:15:06 foo() .. put's a reference to the function foo on the stack. () pops an item off the stack and evalutes it 11:15:25 and foo (abc)? 11:15:41 yes. it would evaluate it and pass some parameters. 11:15:44 can you do foo bar () () ? 11:15:47 yes 11:16:06 foo ( bar) () ?? :) 11:16:07 bar() () is legal if bar leaves a function on the stack for you to call 11:16:10 sounds a bit like that weird VM named after some island 11:16:24 and it's actually popular for some things. 11:16:25 cool:) 11:17:04 but it looks just like C and has all the { } stuff going on. i like it way better than Tcl but it is pretty weird. 11:17:25 the guy is kinda crazy and includes the interpreter and a ncurses clone in his library. 11:17:36 because he didn't like curses, so he wrote his own. 11:17:54 it does pretty much the same thing. i've ported curses apps to slang before. not hard. 11:18:02 i like him 11:18:05 ehhee. 11:18:10 how much smaller is HIS curses ? 11:18:28 that's a good point. i'm not sure. i would assume a lot smaller. 11:18:55 slang does everything byte-compiled too. you can even precompile stuff and have "binary" scripts. 11:19:04 so is MINE :) 11:19:06 it's been around for about 10 years now. 11:19:21 i440r, yours is machine code compiler :P 11:19:25 s/compiler/compiled 11:19:50 my curses stuff is forth. not machine code :) 11:22:57 well it compiles it all to machine code. :P 11:23:09 so it's not a byte-interpreter. 11:24:15 no it doesnt, it compiles it to XT's 11:24:42 i.e. lists of pointers to machine code 11:24:51 oh. that's true. 11:25:09 i guess it is just an interpreter then. 11:25:22 it wouldn't be a major step for you to make it compile though. :) 11:25:33 it's just harder to debug a compiler 11:25:54 no. its a compiler 11:26:12 it compiles FORTH. in the traditional sense 11:26:59 are you guys both talking about slang? 11:29:38 we were :) 11:38:11 --- quit: neobrat () 11:39:22 i440r, that's true. 11:46:51 whats true ? 11:49:22 that it's ac opmiler 11:50:44 I440r: I'm reading through isforth sources, and in the header macro, are %%link and %%name just local labels, or does the %% have some extra meaning for nasm? 11:52:14 heh i forget, and i think those are a tcn modification to the file - i just didnt change it 11:52:21 you coluld rtfm it :) 11:53:02 OK 11:53:06 figured I'd ask first 11:53:16 hehe ya 11:53:37 would you happen to have a URL for nasm docs? :) 11:54:03 erm nasm.sf.net ? 11:54:16 im sure they would have them online there - if not you could complain :) 11:55:02 ok...I just remembered last time I went looking, the "official" site was way out of date and it took me a while to find the site where actual development was going on :) 11:55:24 yea sf.net is now the official site isnt it ? 11:56:09 says so 11:56:23 still only appears to have up through version 0.98.35 though 11:57:10 oh. 11:57:23 heh. I already have nasm docs on this computer 11:59:07 grr...I really wish sf.net wouldn't have links labeled blah-version.tar.bz2 that go to an HTML page... 12:01:38 hehe 12:18:49 tathi: nshit. 12:18:52 I *hate* that 12:21:10 yup. you just tell your browser to save it, then go and untar it and get "not a bzip file" 12:21:39 so then you go download it again to make sure it wasn't just some dumb network problem. same thing happens 12:22:08 finally, you realize it's too quick to be an 800KB download and go get the actual tarball :) 12:40:40 heh 12:40:55 tathi: that shits me, too 12:41:50 they should do some auto-closest mirrory detection, or provide all the links of the mirrored files on the initial page 12:46:43 --- join: gilbertbsd (~gilbertbs@67.97.122.14) joined #forth 12:50:35 Herk: does the PPC have instructions to quickly replace 8/16 bits of a register? 12:50:47 or indexing using only the low 8/16 bits of an index register? 12:50:59 or better yet, high 8/16 bits 12:53:35 16 yes 12:53:42 all immediates on PPC are 16 bits 12:54:09 but register-to-register? 12:54:34 no, why? 12:55:05 because I'm wondering how some wavelet playing code I'm writing on i586 will perform on PPC 12:55:16 well, simple to get any bit range you want from a register 12:55:43 with shifts and ands, or are there special ops for it? 12:56:02 there's instructions rlwinm and rlwnm 12:56:09 aah 12:56:19 Rotate Left Word by Immediate and AND with Mask 12:56:20 excellent 12:56:25 excellent 12:56:26 thanks 12:56:52 that's my favorite instruction :) 12:58:32 rlwinm dest_reg, src_reg, rotate, mask_hi_bit, mask_lo_bit 12:59:19 =P~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 13:00:37 * XeF4 has a 2^n sintab and fixed 16.16 index 13:01:04 but I suppose fsin on ppc is 1 cycle so it doesn't matter =P 13:03:43 dunno about trig 13:04:06 but in general, the floating-point on my G4 seems to be faster than the integer math...weird 13:07:42 quick question: if I were to implement an OS in Forth could that be considered as a good school project? 13:09:51 _I'd_ be impressed :) 13:09:55 really? 13:10:39 gilbertbsd: I'd be damn impressed 13:11:17 its gonna take me a year starting from Oh, January 2003 :D 13:12:07 you just gotta make sure it runs on some computer you can show to your teacher(s) 13:13:09 have any of you guys used vms? 13:13:47 hmm...I'm not sure PPC _has_ trig instructions...they don't seem to be mentioned in the reference manual anyway... 13:14:08 does trig not need to be simulated? 13:16:05 ? 13:16:26 is the PPC supposed to have trig functions already? 13:16:45 I assumed it did... 13:17:38 I suppose it is sort of a RISC processor though 13:31:01 --- quit: fridge ("http://lice.codehack.com") 13:33:14 --- nick: onetom_ -> onetom 13:33:37 hi 1toM 13:34:10 hi 13:35:47 Hey gilbert 13:36:31 hi Robert 13:50:17 Nobody move. 13:50:25 * Robert doesn't move. 13:53:23